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Adam Was Not The First Man Created.
« on: September 24, 2011, 01:51:56 AM »
In Genesis 1:1-2  v 1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)
 v2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (KJV)

The Bible said that God created Heaven and Earth, perfectly,then the heaven was alright, but the earth was chaotic. It is believed by Biblical Scholars that there had been a world like that of Adam that existed before the creation of Adam. So the creation of the world in Gen 1:3 is called the second creation. The first was marred, that was why the Bible said that the ''Earth was without Form and void''.
Do you believe that? What is your own opinion?

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Re: Adam Was Not The First Man Created.
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 03:22:53 AM »
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1Cor 15:45
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Re: Adam Was Not The First Man Created.
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 04:09:25 AM »
In Genesis 1:1-2  v 1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)
 v2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (KJV)

The Bible said that God created Heaven and Earth, perfectly,then the heaven was alright, but the earth was chaotic. It is believed by Biblical Scholars that there had been a world like that of Adam that existed before the creation of Adam. So the creation of the world in Gen 1:3 is called the second creation. The first was marred, that was why the Bible said that the ''Earth was without Form and void''.
Do you believe that? What is your own opinion?
I think 'to delve into the realms of 'opinion and imagination is the quickest way to 'get lost.
There are not two Creations of this Earth - only One and as in everything God does it was 'very good. So how come we read in Gen.1 that the Earth was without form, void and dark ?
Yes it had existed (been created) prior to Gen.1 and something caused it to be 'marred. That was the 'rebellion of Lucifer.
In Gen.1 we see a ' Renewing' Ps.104v30, Thou sendeth forth thy Spirit (Gen.1v2) they are created ' and thou renewest the face of the earth.
So it was not a new creation because God got it wrong but a correcting of the damage Lucifer had caused.
No Human Being had been created prior to Gen.1 ; only the physical/material Universe.
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Re: Adam Was Not The First Man Created.
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 08:51:39 AM »
The Gap Theory is put forth to answer your question by many.

Gap of Time

WikipediA - Gap theorists generally assert that an indefinite span of time exists between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. The time span can be, and usually is, very large (Millions or Billions of years) encompassing the so-called “geologic ages.

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Re: Adam Was Not The First Man Created.
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 06:15:42 PM »
A lot of people share in this misunderstanding.

There is nothing in Genesis 1:1 that says that the heavens and earth that God is creating there were either perfect or fully complete.  Verse 2 actually indicates the precise opposite - they were a chaotic mess.

Then in verse 3 up to the end of the chapter, God goes about the work of FORMING what was chaotic into something orderly.

Genesis 1 is a chapter that reveals the character of God as one who gives FORM and ORDER to that which is chaotic, and who spends time working to make things into their ultimate shape, through long processes.

It is unfortunate that man has twisted the meaning to says that God is one who makes things POOF! in an instant, fully formed at the start.  Nothing could be farther from the message in the Bible, starting at Gen 1, and continuing through to the end.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 09:36:35 PM »

Some Scripture which may  relate to this:
Ezekiel 28;Jeremiah 4:23-2:7;Psalm 89:10 and in Job 26.  If you check out "Rahab" you'll enter into the New Age realm.   ::lightsabre:: The Bible itself does not identify who or what Rahab is, but it does seem to be related to a great destruction and a "void" Earth. I found this interesting since I saw a program some time back which discussed the moon's formation and how it might have resulted from the Earth being bashed by some sizeable object; and with the moon's formation itself taking some amount of time. This same theory holds that whatever hit Earth may have provided our water.   This is thought to have occured during the time of earth's formation period. But .... science could be wrong here.
The phrase "stones of fire"... hard to say what those are, but "something" certainly was cast out or down from a heavenly place; and was broken and scattered, according to the Scripture.

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2011, 03:47:44 AM »
A lot of people share in this misunderstanding.

There is nothing in Genesis 1:1 that says that the heavens and earth that God is creating there were either perfect or fully complete.  Verse 2 actually indicates the precise opposite - they were a chaotic mess.

Then in verse 3 up to the end of the chapter, God goes about the work of FORMING what was chaotic into something orderly.

Genesis 1 is a chapter that reveals the character of God as one who gives FORM and ORDER to that which is chaotic, and who spends time working to make things into their ultimate shape, through long processes.

It is unfortunate that man has twisted the meaning to says that God is one who makes things POOF! in an instant, fully formed at the start.  Nothing could be farther from the message in the Bible, starting at Gen 1, and continuing through to the end.

He's still working on me...
You are right about God not making things perfect to begin with or about taking his time.
But we do read Gen.1 how that everything he created was ' very good'.Now that could not describe a dark and chaotic world - by no means is that a 'very good  state.....since life could not exist on it.
So Creation was 'very good before it became spoilt. Isa.14 and Ezek.28 would give some explanation and why Lucifer turned Satan. God did not create him evil so there must have been a cause for what happened and the renewing of the earth Ps.104v30. Also Jesus said he saw Lucifer fall from heaven. God would not have cast him out for no reason - cast out on the earth Rev.12.
And for man to be aflicted with evil is also for a reason !

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Re: Adam Was Not The First Man Created.
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2011, 09:12:24 AM »
A lot of people share in this misunderstanding.

There is nothing in Genesis 1:1 that says that the heavens and earth that God is creating there were either perfect or fully complete.  Verse 2 actually indicates the precise opposite - they were a chaotic mess.

Then in verse 3 up to the end of the chapter, God goes about the work of FORMING what was chaotic into something orderly.

Genesis 1 is a chapter that reveals the character of God as one who gives FORM and ORDER to that which is chaotic, and who spends time working to make things into their ultimate shape, through long processes.

It is unfortunate that man has twisted the meaning to says that God is one who makes things POOF! in an instant, fully formed at the start.  Nothing could be farther from the message in the Bible, starting at Gen 1, and continuing through to the end.

He's still working on me...
You are right about God not making things perfect to begin with or about taking his time.
But we do read Gen.1 how that everything he created was ' very good'.Now that could not describe a dark and chaotic world - by no means is that a 'very good  state.....since life could not exist on it.
So Creation was 'very good before it became spoilt. Isa.14 and Ezek.28 would give some explanation and why Lucifer turned Satan. God did not create him evil so there must have been a cause for what happened and the renewing of the earth Ps.104v30. Also Jesus said he saw Lucifer fall from heaven. God would not have cast him out for no reason - cast out on the earth Rev.12.
And for man to be aflicted with evil is also for a reason !
Checking the actual chapter...

Gen 1:10 KJV - And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.

God repeatedly calls things "good" AFTER He has formed them.  Not before.  At the very end of the chapter, He rests, and calls everything VERY GOOD.

If things became spoiled, it didn't happen in verse 2.  It would have to be somewhere after the end of this chapter.  ::tippinghat::
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 12:42:30 PM »
Hi ,
I don't really have an answer. It just seems hard to believe this earth and all around it was in a 'chaotic mess as recently as 6000 years ago....don't you think ?
I'm sure we'll get to the truth one day.  ::pondering::

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2011, 11:41:14 AM »
In Genesis 1:1-2  v 1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)
 v2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (KJV)

The Bible said that God created Heaven and Earth, perfectly,then the heaven was alright, but the earth was chaotic. It is believed by Biblical Scholars that there had been a world like that of Adam that existed before the creation of Adam. So the creation of the world in Gen 1:3 is called the second creation. The first was marred, that was why the Bible said that the ''Earth was without Form and void''.
Do you believe that? What is your own opinion?

You are 're-creating' God's Word. God created the vegetation first, and then the 'animal kingdom'. It appears to me, that the Neanderthals, were simply the highest order of the animal kingdom (not in the 'image of God'). Eventually, God decided to create man, in His own image, and thus,.....here we are.  ::smile::

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Re: Adam Was Not The First Man Created.
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2011, 11:13:23 PM »
Hi ,
I don't really have an answer. It just seems hard to believe this earth and all around it was in a 'chaotic mess as recently as 6000 years ago....don't you think ?
I'm sure we'll get to the truth one day.  ::pondering::
Yep.  I think the timeframe is all mussed up.  I think it was a chaotic mess several millions of years ago.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2011, 05:34:13 AM »
Hi ,
I don't really have an answer. It just seems hard to believe this earth and all around it was in a 'chaotic mess as recently as 6000 years ago....don't you think ?
I'm sure we'll get to the truth one day.  ::pondering::
Yep.  I think the timeframe is all mussed up.  I think it was a chaotic mess several millions of years ago.

Agree , but  ::backontopic::   

There is no biblical record of 'Humans having existed before Adam in any shape or form.
Has Thorwald got a point ?  ::shrug::
Though Adam was created in the image of God he was originally only from the 'dust of the ground without the spirit of God - not so different from a Neanderthal.???
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 11:00:26 PM »
A lot of people share in this misunderstanding.

There is nothing in Genesis 1:1 that says that the heavens and earth that God is creating there were either perfect or fully complete.  Verse 2 actually indicates the precise opposite - they were a chaotic mess.

Then in verse 3 up to the end of the chapter, God goes about the work of FORMING what was chaotic into something orderly.

Genesis 1 is a chapter that reveals the character of God as one who gives FORM and ORDER to that which is chaotic, and who spends time working to make things into their ultimate shape, through long processes.

It is unfortunate that man has twisted the meaning to says that God is one who makes things POOF! in an instant, fully formed at the start.  Nothing could be farther from the message in the Bible, starting at Gen 1, and continuing through to the end.

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2011, 11:18:15 PM »
hmmm..I've heard this false teaching before. Adam and Eve were the first people created. Just read what the bible says and believe it. It's not hard...
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2011, 11:27:02 PM »

You are right about God not making things perfect to begin with or about taking his time.
But we do read Gen.1 how that everything he created was ' very good'.
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IT does not say anything about good in verse one.
I also say that since God was making the earth and light that would be a 24 hour day for earth
as we know it, while wouldn't God also work on this 24 hour day too


 

God will in that day to those such as  Stephen hawking who says before the big bang there
wasn't time so there's no God and "HE will make fools of the wise"
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