Wow Red. Thanks for the sober response. I will gladly debate you on any post you might make concerning Paul. I will be defending Y'shua and his 12 apostles. Looking forward to it!
A bit off topic, I know, but you've mentioned the 12 apostles several times in this thread, so I'm wondering, who you consider those 12 to be? Is it the original 12 chosen by Jesus, including Judas Iscariot, or do you consider Matthias as the twelfth, or someone else?
Never~here is what they believe:
THE SHALUACHIYM ['Apostles'] OF YESHUWA' MASHIYACH?
NOTE: Shaluachiym is the plural of the Hebrew word shaluach which means authorised ambassador. The Christian word 'apostle' is a CORRUPTION.
THE NAMES OF THE TWELVE SHALUACHIYM OF YESHUWA' THE MASHIYACH ARE THESE:
(Matthew 10:2-4. Revelation 21:14)
(1) FIRST, SHIMEON wheat of the dove [Hebrew: bar yonah]
(2) ANDREYAH his brother
(3) YAAKOB ['James'] the son of Zebedeel and (4) YOCHANON his brother
(5) PHILIP and (6) BAR TALMAY
(7) TAOWM ('Thomas) and (8) MATITYAH ('Matthew'), the former money-lender.
(9) YAAKOB ('James') Alupheyey and
(10) YEHUDAH ('Jude') the brother of Yaakob Alupheyey
(11) SYMEON the Kanaanite and (12) MATTITYAH ('Matthias') who replaced Yehudah ['Judas'].
(Matthew 10:2-4. Acts 1:13,26)
THESE TWELVE NAMES ARE THE ONLY NAMES OF THE TWELVE SHALUACHIYM (Revelation 21:14) OF THE RAM (YESHUWA' MASHIYACH)
RECORDED IN HEAVEN
" AND THE WALL HAD TWELVE FOUNDATION STONES, AND ON THEM WERE THE TWELVE NAMES OF THE TWELVE SHALUACHIYM OF THE RAM"
(REVELATION 21:14 emphasis ours)
and acknowledged by DISCIPLES OF YESHUWA' everywhere.
THE QUALIFICATIONS OF A TRUE AMBASSADOR
The QUALIFICATIONS of a TRUE SHALUACH OF YESHUWA' THE MESSIAH were spelled out by THE SHIMEON, when a successor to Yehudah from Kerioth ['Judas'] was appointed:
" Therefore of these men who have ACCOMPANIED us ALL THE TIME that Adon YESHUWA' went in and out amongs us; BEGINNING FROM THE IMMERSION OF YOCHANAN ('JOHN') until the DAY WHEN HE WAS TAKEN UP FROM US, must ONE become a witness with us of HIS RESURRECTION"
(Acts 1:21,22 ).
THIS DIVINE TEST WAS APPLIED BY THE DISCIPLES AT EPHESUS
THAT 'PAUL', BARNABAS, TIMOTHY, SIMON PETER (Acts 8:9), SILVANUS and OTHERS
FALSE SHALUACHIYM AND LIARS
THESE LIARS FAILED TO MEET THE TEST SET BY SHIMEON Bar Yonah
THIS SAME TEST PROVES THAT EVERY 'POPE' AND OTHERS WHO CLAIM THAT THEY ARE AMBASSADORS
ARE ALSO LIARS
THE BELIEF OF THE TWELVE SHALUACHIYM OF THE RAM
(Jude 1:3. 1 John 5:1)