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Does God care about what we eat?
« on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 20:13:20 »
This is for clarity and the spreading of truth.

Prophecy cannot be broken as it is spoken by the spirit of God, and God cannot lie.


Isaiah 66:15-17King James Version (KJV)

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.


A lot of people get confused about pauls teachings and think some of this stuff no longer applies, but this is why you have to have read the old testament else one will see pauls (as well as many new testament scriptures in general) in a way that they shouldn't having bent them to their on destruction. This is stuff most churches will not talk about (as well as many other things).

This prophecy lets us know that from hence forth, anything concerning what we eat is not saying we can eat anything we want(i don't see how people could possibly eat mouse or dolphin and stuff like that anyways ugh). I myself have only recently found out about this and am changing my ways.

Just as a fair warning.
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #1 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 03:12:26 »
This is for clarity and the spreading of truth.
With respect, you are not spreading the truth~not only have you been taught wrong, but are spreading doctrine that is not true. In light of the NT we as New Covenant believers and living on this side of the New Covenant, we know why God gave such commandments to Israel after the flesh. In Acts chapter ten and 1 Timothy 4, both places reveal truth to us, that Israel under Moses' law did not enjoy and neither knew the signification as to why they could not eat certain type of meats. The reason why Israel could not eat certain types of creatures was to teach them that they could not live as the Gentiles lived....certain creatures were a type for the then time being, of the unclean Gentiles, and thereby had to keep them themselves from living as those Gentiles dogs~not that the creatures themselves were worst than other creatures, only that God had purpose to use certain creatures to help Israel to see that they were different than other nations, having laws given by God to teach them that. But, there was a mystery about to be unfolded in the NT, and that mystery is clearly seen in Acts chapter ten. The unclean Gentiles, (who truly were no different than the Jews by nature), were going to be made pure by the blood of Jesus Christ, and brought into the fold of God, by the same grace and mercy that had been shown to Israel first.

Under the NT every creature of God are good......for food; and should be taken and used for that purpose, at all times, without distinction; even every creature which is made for food, and which is easy to be discerned by men: and nothing to be refused; or rejected as common and unclean, or to be abstained from at certain times: if it be received with thanksgiving: if not, persons are very ungrateful, and very unworthy of such favours; and it would be just in God to withhold them from them; and this they may expect at his hands, who reject them with contempt, or receive them with unthankfulness, or abstain front them in a religious way he never enjoined. The reason why all creatures are safe to eat is that:  it is sanctified,.... Or set apart for use, and may be lawfully used at all times: by the word of God; which declares that there is nothing in itself common, or unclean, or unfit for use, and that nothing that goes into a man defiles him; so that by virtue of this word of God, every creature may be made use of, that is fit for food: or else this designs the word of God, which gives a blessing to what is eaten; for it is not by bread or meat only, but through the word of God commanding a blessing on what is eaten, that man lives, Matthew 4:4.

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A lot of people get confused about pauls teachings and think some of this stuff no longer applies, but this is why you have to have read the old testament else one will see pauls (as well as many new testament scriptures in general) in a way that they shouldn't having bent them to their on destruction. This is stuff most churches will not talk about (as well as many other things).

Actually the NT explains the hidden truths/mysteries of the OT, not the other way around. Paul and the NT writers will guide us faithfully into the truths of God, if we have eyes and ears to see and understand, if not, then a Pizza with all the works would be off limits, but we who understand know otherwise, that we are free to eat whatsoever we desire to eat, as long as we do not do so with the blood of the animals, which is the life thereof.

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This prophecy lets us know that from hence forth, anything concerning what we eat is not saying we can eat anything we want(i don't see how people could possibly eat mouse or dolphin and stuff like that anyways ugh).
You are wrong~you can eat flipper if you so desire, as long as we do so with prayer. Now, there are a lot of creatures that I personally will pass on, only because they do not seem to pleasant to me, and for no other reason. A mouse certainly would be one of them, along with snakes, alligators, turtles, squirrels, and many others, but I would NEVER judge a brother or sister if they desire a bowl of squirrel soup, or whatever. Some people like fish eyes...I'll pass!  I am sure that that great sheet that Peter saw, had everything on it, much that I would not eat, nevertheless, my taste is not to be the standard for other men, to eat, or not to eat.     
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #2 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 04:20:28 »
Some people are not blessed to live in geographical areas where cattle and fowl can be raised and farmed for consumption, they may not be able to grow crops that we can commonly purchase at our grocers, and to make matters worse much of the world is without a fresh water supply. People need to eat, hence the many cultural variations of food, it may not appeal to us but God has said that all creatures are good for food.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #3 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 04:47:19 »
Some people are not blessed to live in geographical areas where cattle and fowl can be raised and farmed for consumption, they may not be able to grow crops that we can commonly purchase at our grocers, and to make matters worse much of the world is without a fresh water supply. People need to eat, hence the many cultural variations of food, it may not appeal to us but God has said that all creatures are good for food.
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #4 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 05:38:10 »


Here is your answer

Romans 14 v 7
For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Romans 14 v 1-4
“Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant?”

Romans 14 v 20
  ALL FOOD IS CLEAN  but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #5 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 06:09:03 »
Ill explain those verses later.
However you guys do realize if God did change it, he is a liar....as that was a prophecy spoken.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #6 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 07:14:46 »
Ill explain those verses later.
However you guys do realize if God did change it, he is a liar....as that was a prophecy spoken.

Gos is no liar. No need to explain verses that are so easy to understand.

Peter’s Vision
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9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #7 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 07:16:42 »
Col 2 v 16
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

Acts 15 v 17-21
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, 20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #8 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 07:46:15 »


We are now all Gentiles and able to eat every thing !

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 08:45:17 »
"You shall not muzzle an ox."

God don't care about the oxen as much as he cares about us, does He? No, but the worker is worthy of his hire. It's just one example that Paul used showing the Torah as a book of wisdom, not law. Do you think the Lord cares so much what goes in us? He spoke "It's not what goes in you that makes you unclean, but what comes out of you." So then the question: What are shrimps? Why are they unclean? Why are carnivorous birds and animals without hooves unclean? What do they represent?

God isn't a liar, Fascinated, He made it clear to Moses from the very beginning that He speaks to the people in parables. He hasn't changed either, the Lord spoke to the people in nothing but parables, as was prophesied, and only spoke plainly to His own disciples.

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« Reply #10 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 10:17:14 »
This is for clarity and the spreading of truth.

Prophecy cannot be broken as it is spoken by the spirit of God, and God cannot lie.

God cannot lie, but people can misunderstand what God is saying.

The Bible cannot and will not contradict itself on matters of doctrine.  Therefore if you are interpreting a passage in such a way that it contradicts other passages, your interpretation is incorrect.  That does not make our Perfect Heavenly Father a liar, it just means that His imperfect followers, no matter how earnest and seeking, are mistaken about something.  The question is, do the followers have enough humility to acknowledge that or not?

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #11 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 11:00:45 »
Whatcould those who co.sume the mouse mean besides that...i see a bunch of scripturea from nt but no one has intepreted Gods prophexy yet. Ill get to the later just curios as to what you guys think it means

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #12 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 11:16:33 »
Bacon is tasty.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 13:26:39 »
Whatcould those who co.sume the mouse mean besides that...i see a bunch of scripturea from nt but no one has intepreted Gods prophexy yet. Ill get to the later just curios as to what you guys think it means


God does not prophesy, He decrees and declares. There is no interpretation necessary here, it said what it said and the NT scriptures pointed out to you also are straightforward in their meaning.


Try to understand before restating the law to believers.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #14 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 14:35:43 »
Whatcould those who co.sume the mouse mean besides that...i see a bunch of scripturea from nt but no one has intepreted Gods prophexy yet. Ill get to the later just curios as to what you guys think it means


God does not prophesy, He decrees and declares. There is no interpretation necessary here, it said what it said and the NT scriptures pointed out to you also are straightforward in their meaning.


Try to understand before restating the law to believers.

Ah ok, he declared that only the last day he would take vengance on thos that eat pork mouse and Abomnations. I still see no difference and no one has given an intepretation of what that means....the scripture isnt even symbolic in any way.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #15 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 14:48:04 »
Whatcould those who co.sume the mouse mean besides that...i see a bunch of scripturea from nt but no one has intepreted Gods prophexy yet. Ill get to the later just curios as to what you guys think it means


God does not prophesy, He decrees and declares. There is no interpretation necessary here, it said what it said and the NT scriptures pointed out to you also are straightforward in their meaning.


Try to understand before restating the law to believers.

Ah ok, he declared that only the last day he would take vengance on thos that eat pork mouse and Abomnations. I still see no difference and no one has given an intepretation of what that means....the scripture isnt even symbolic in any way.

Either you are wrong in your interpretation, or Jesus is wrong in Mark 7:19

because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and [g]is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #16 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 15:50:28 »
Whatcould those who co.sume the mouse mean besides that...i see a bunch of scripturea from nt but no one has intepreted Gods prophexy yet. Ill get to the later just curios as to what you guys think it means


God does not prophesy, He decrees and declares. There is no interpretation necessary here, it said what it said and the NT scriptures pointed out to you also are straightforward in their meaning.


Try to understand before restating the law to believers.

Ah ok, he declared that only the last day he would take vengance on thos that eat pork mouse and Abomnations. I still see no difference and no one has given an intepretation of what that means....the scripture isnt even symbolic in any way.

Either you are wrong in your interpretation, or Jesus is wrong in Mark 7:19

because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and [g]is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

or either you are wrong in your interpretation of mark 7:19 and jesus didn't say what you thought he said....can go both ways...

nor have you given your intepretation of isaiah either.
but since i have time now.,..


Mark 7:15King James Version (KJV)

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

If this was taken literally then we'd have to assume that nothing entering a man can defile him...obviously this isn't true.No one can eat anything on this earth and not suffer from the effects of it.
Scripture also makes clear what the subject of this matter was, it was not eating unclean things, it was eating clean foods(the foods that aren't abominations to us) with unclean hands



Mark 7:2King James Version (KJV)
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

Matthew 15:2King James Version (KJV)
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

Luke 11:38-39King James Version (KJV)
38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

Furthermore scripture makes it very clear that this was a parable, it was NOT to be taken literally.


Mark 7:17-18King James Version (KJV)

17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Matthew 15:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

Jesus then sums up saying...



Matthew 15:18-20King James Version (KJV)

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.


This was not about eating unclean foods and unclean foods is nowhere mentioned in the passage or any other similar passages.



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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #17 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 16:06:09 »
Whatcould those who co.sume the mouse mean besides that...i see a bunch of scripturea from nt but no one has intepreted Gods prophexy yet. Ill get to the later just curios as to what you guys think it means


God does not prophesy, He decrees and declares. There is no interpretation necessary here, it said what it said and the NT scriptures pointed out to you also are straightforward in their meaning.


Try to understand before restating the law to believers.

Ah ok, he declared that only the last day he would take vengance on thos that eat pork mouse and Abomnations. I still see no difference and no one has given an intepretation of what that means....the scripture isnt even symbolic in any way.

Either you are wrong in your interpretation, or Jesus is wrong in Mark 7:19

because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and [g]is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

or either you are wrong in your interpretation of mark 7:19 and jesus didn't say what you thought he said....can go both ways...

nor have you given your intepretation of isaiah either.
but since i have time now.,..


Mark 7:15King James Version (KJV)

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

If this was taken literally then we'd have to assume that nothing entering a man can defile him...obviously this isn't true.No one can eat anything on this earth and not suffer from the effects of it.
Scripture also makes clear what the subject of this matter was, it was not eating unclean things, it was eating clean foods(the foods that aren't abominations to us) with unclean hands



Mark 7:2King James Version (KJV)
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

Matthew 15:2King James Version (KJV)
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

Luke 11:38-39King James Version (KJV)
38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

Furthermore scripture makes it very clear that this was a parable, it was NOT to be taken literally.


Mark 7:17-18King James Version (KJV)

17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Matthew 15:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

Jesus then sums up saying...



Matthew 15:18-20King James Version (KJV)

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.


This was not about eating unclean foods and unclean foods is nowhere mentioned in the passage or any other similar passages.

I am not a Jew.   If you are going to bind the law on gentiles or Christians, you are heading into bad territory:

Galatians 5:4

You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.


1 Timothy 4

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will [a]fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5 for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #18 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 16:09:49 »
FBM, you really need to study the Bible in it's entirety before you begin preaching the law, you're clearly missing the point of Christ.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #19 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 16:18:52 »
Question do anyone one of you use Jesus as a license to sin.

Side Note: No one still hasn't explained Isaiah, people show other scriptures but ignore Isaiah, if ur going to try to convince someone of something you can't ignore the argument that pose.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 16:29:18 »
Mark 7:15King James Version (KJV)

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

If this was taken literally then we'd have to assume that nothing entering a man can defile him...obviously this isn't true.No one can eat anything on this earth and not suffer from the effects of it.
Scripture also makes clear what the subject of this matter was, it was not eating unclean things, it was eating clean foods(the foods that aren't abominations to us) with unclean hands



Mark 7:2King James Version (KJV)
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

Matthew 15:2King James Version (KJV)
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

Luke 11:38-39King James Version (KJV)
38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

Furthermore scripture makes it very clear that this was a parable, it was NOT to be taken literally.

I only have this top quote to ask about. Why is it not to be taken literally? Do you think the Lord is speaking about physical defilement?

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And he said, “Are you also still without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone."

That explains it pretty well. He's not concerned about the food that enters the body, but the state of the heart in the individual. Would your Lord condemn me because I had shrimp at Red Lobster?

Again, do you think God cares so much about the oxen, or was it written for our sake?

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For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Does he not certainly speak for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you?"

Why would the Lord give a parable of oxen yet a literal commandment of shrimps? It isn't consistent.
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #21 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 16:30:51 »
Question do anyone one of you use Jesus as a license to sin.

Side Note: No one still hasn't explained Isaiah, people show other scriptures but ignore Isaiah, if ur going to try to convince someone of something you can't ignore the argument that pose.

The Isaiah passage is talking about those eating swine flesh and mice in a pagan worship ritual.  Quite a stretch to use it as you have.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #22 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 17:08:27 »
Mark 7:15King James Version (KJV)

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

If this was taken literally then we'd have to assume that nothing entering a man can defile him...obviously this isn't true.No one can eat anything on this earth and not suffer from the effects of it.
Scripture also makes clear what the subject of this matter was, it was not eating unclean things, it was eating clean foods(the foods that aren't abominations to us) with unclean hands



Mark 7:2King James Version (KJV)
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

Matthew 15:2King James Version (KJV)
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

Luke 11:38-39King James Version (KJV)
38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

Furthermore scripture makes it very clear that this was a parable, it was NOT to be taken literally.

I only have this top quote to ask about. Why is it not to be taken literally? Do you think the Lord is speaking about physical defilement?

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And he said, “Are you also still without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone."

That explains it pretty well. He's not concerned about the food that enters the body, but the state of the heart in the individual. Would your Lord condemn me because I had shrimp at Red Lobster?

Again, do you think God cares so much about the oxen, or was it written for our sake?

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For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Does he not certainly speak for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you?"

Why would the Lord give a parable of oxen yet a literal commandment of shrimps? It isn't consistent.

you quoted part of my post and cut the other half off. i don't take it as foods because that wasn't the subject as the context suggest or as jesus concluded.


Matthew 15:18-20King James Version (KJV)

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #23 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 17:10:27 »
Question do anyone one of you use Jesus as a license to sin.

Side Note: No one still hasn't explained Isaiah, people show other scriptures but ignore Isaiah, if ur going to try to convince someone of something you can't ignore the argument that pose.

The Isaiah passage is talking about those eating swine flesh and mice in a pagan worship ritual.  Quite a stretch to use it as you have.

i disagree, because i don't see anything about pagan worship in the surrounding text and he was clearly angry at them because they cleansed and purified themselves even though God has already set aside for us food which is health and food which is not(which just so happens that the foods who mentioned are scientifically proven to be bad for the body like pork mouse, etc)

Isaiah 66:15-17King James Version (KJV)

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.



Isaiah 65:1-6King James Version (KJV)
 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #24 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 17:23:07 »
Question do anyone one of you use Jesus as a license to sin.

Side Note: No one still hasn't explained Isaiah, people show other scriptures but ignore Isaiah, if ur going to try to convince someone of something you can't ignore the argument that pose.

The Isaiah passage is talking about those eating swine flesh and mice in a pagan worship ritual.  Quite a stretch to use it as you have.

i disagree, because i don't see anything about pagan worship in the surrounding text and he was clearly angry at them because they cleansed and purified themselves even though God has already set aside for us food which is health and food which is not(which just so happens that the foods who mentioned are scientifically proven to be bad for the body like pork mouse, etc)

Isaiah 66:15-17King James Version (KJV)

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.



Isaiah 65:1-6King James Version (KJV)
 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  You can cling to your interpretation, while I have bacon on my sandwich.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #25 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 17:29:07 »
Question do anyone one of you use Jesus as a license to sin.

Side Note: No one still hasn't explained Isaiah, people show other scriptures but ignore Isaiah, if ur going to try to convince someone of something you can't ignore the argument that pose.

The Isaiah passage is talking about those eating swine flesh and mice in a pagan worship ritual.  Quite a stretch to use it as you have.

i disagree, because i don't see anything about pagan worship in the surrounding text and he was clearly angry at them because they cleansed and purified themselves even though God has already set aside for us food which is health and food which is not(which just so happens that the foods who mentioned are scientifically proven to be bad for the body like pork mouse, etc)

Isaiah 66:15-17King James Version (KJV)

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.



Isaiah 65:1-6King James Version (KJV)
 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  You can cling to your interpretation, while I have bacon on my sandwich.

you call it my interpretation, yet he clearly said those who sanctify and purify themselves. Where is your proof that he was talking about paganism?

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #26 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 18:19:34 »
Question, and I'm not asking this to be provocative or silly but, is Texas Conservative condemned because he has bacon on his sandwich?

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #27 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 18:24:26 »
Question, and I'm not asking this to be provocative or silly but, is Texas Conservative condemned because he has bacon on his sandwich?

Ah is he going to hell for having bacon on his sandwich? is that basically what ur asking? If so you force me to answer a harsh truth. It depends, is he going to change his ways? is he eating out of spite? will he continue even after having recieved knowledge of the truth. I believe that those constantly eating swine and other abominations after having recieved the truth no longer have a sacrifice for their sins and will be slain by the lord in the last day as God spoke to Isaiah. Keep in mind that these words are not mine but Gods. God specifically said what he'd do. I'm simply quoting scripture here.


Hebrews 10:26King James Version (KJV)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

I always found it odd how you could ask someone '' Do you use Jesus as a license to sin'' and they say ''no'', then you ask ''do you keeps his commandments'' and they say its done away with. Sin is the trangression of the law without the law there is no sin and when people say they don't keep the commandment because they think they are done away with and that they don't use Jesus as a license to sin, It is a contradiction, you are calling yourself sinless if there is no law and further if you don't keep it how can you say you aren't using Jesus as a license to sin if you aren't keeping his commandments? makes no sense. Basically their saying '' I don't use Jesus as a license to sin but i'm either sinless or don't keep his commandments''
Then they say ''but i'm led by the spirit'' which then makes the spirit out to be evil if he is the one causing you not to keep the commandments...
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #28 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 21:46:15 »
Fascinated, do you believe that you keep the law perfectly?

The Word is pretty clear what happens if not.

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

then there is this...

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #29 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 22:23:36 »
Fascinated, I know you're getting questions left and right, I'm sorry but may I add one more to it?

God is revealed to us as our Father, so since He doesn't change, you would say God was the Father of the children of Israel, yes?

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #30 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 23:17:33 »
Side Note: No one still hasn't explained Isaiah, people show other scriptures but ignore Isaiah, if ur going to try to convince someone of something you can't ignore the argument that pose.


FBM, I will give you my understanding of Isaiah 66:17, though I doubt you will accept it. But first, let's look at verse 3:
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“He who slaughters an ox is like one who kills a man;
    he who sacrifices a lamb, like one who breaks a dog's neck;
he who presents a grain offering, like one who offers pig's blood;
    he who makes a memorial offering of frankincense, like one who blesses an idol.

A surface reading of this appears to be telling us that killing a cow is just as bad as killing a human. After all, that's what it says. But if we look just a little further, the end of verse 3 and verse 4 explains the true meaning:

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These have chosen their own ways,
    and their soul delights in their abominations;
I also will choose harsh treatment for them
    and bring their fears upon them,
because when I called, no one answered,
    when I spoke, they did not listen;
but they did what was evil in my eyes
    and chose that in which I did not delight.”

Ah, now we see the true meaning. The man described in the first part of v. 3 looks like he's doing everything right. He sacrifices an ox and a lamb, makes a grain offering and an offering of frankincense, all of which are precisely what God has commanded.  But because his heart is not right - he delights in abominations - he might as well be offering human or unclean animal sacrifices, or worshiping idols.

Verse 17 is saying something similar. They are doing the outward actions of purification, but they are only going through the motions. Their hearts, which only God can see, are not right. What are the next words we read? "For I know their works and their thoughts"

The point of this passage is that going through the motions, doing things that look right, just won't cut it with God. Those kinds of works disgust Him as much as idol worship.

If we go back to v. 2 we see exactly what God is looking for in a true worshiper. [quote includes vs.1&2]
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Thus says the Lord:
“Heaven is my throne,
    and the earth is my footstool;
what is the house that you would build for me,
    and what is the place of my rest?
All these things my hand has made,
    and so all these things came to be,
declares the Lord.
But this is the one to whom I will look:
    he who is humble and contrite in spirit
    and trembles at my word.

God doesn't need our works. He wants our hearts.



So, the meaning of the passage? Those who do not love God, both the obviously evil as well as those who look righteous but aren't, will get what's coming to them.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #31 on: Fri Sep 04, 2015 - 23:45:57 »
Question, and I'm not asking this to be provocative or silly but, is Texas Conservative condemned because he has bacon on his sandwich?

Ah is he going to hell for having bacon on his sandwich? is that basically what ur asking? If so you force me to answer a harsh truth. It depends, is he going to change his ways? is he eating out of spite? will he continue even after having recieved knowledge of the truth. I believe that those constantly eating swine and other abominations after having recieved the truth no longer have a sacrifice for their sins and will be slain by the lord in the last day as God spoke to Isaiah. Keep in mind that these words are not mine but Gods. God specifically said what he'd do. I'm simply quoting scripture here.


Hebrews 10:26King James Version (KJV)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

I always found it odd how you could ask someone '' Do you use Jesus as a license to sin'' and they say ''no'', then you ask ''do you keeps his commandments'' and they say its done away with. Sin is the trangression of the law without the law there is no sin and when people say they don't keep the commandment because they think they are done away with and that they don't use Jesus as a license to sin, It is a contradiction, you are calling yourself sinless if there is no law and further if you don't keep it how can you say you aren't using Jesus as a license to sin if you aren't keeping his commandments? makes no sense. Basically their saying '' I don't use Jesus as a license to sin but i'm either sinless or don't keep his commandments''
Then they say ''but i'm led by the spirit'' which then makes the spirit out to be evil if he is the one causing you not to keep the commandments...
 


You are completely ignoring all the verses that we have shown you that say CLEARLY that what we eat wont affect our spiritual lives and that all food is now permitted for us as believers. Why is that?
TO imply that eating something will make us loose our salvation is completely unbiblical, as well as being something I think you need to a seriously repent of,  but I guess that I shouldnt judge you just as you shouldnt judge those who eat anything as this passage says, yet you are.

 Romans 14 v 1-4
“Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything MUST NOT JUDGE the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant?”

Romans 14 v 20
  ALL FOOD IS CLEAN  but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #32 on: Sat Sep 05, 2015 - 04:28:55 »
If this was taken literally then we'd have to assume that nothing entering a man can defile him...obviously this isn't true.No one can eat anything on this earth and not suffer from the effects of it. Scripture also makes clear what the subject of this matter was, it was not eating unclean things, it was eating clean foods(the foods that aren't abominations to us) with unclean hands
This thread is not making very much progress, even though some very good thoughts have been given to help you to see the error of your way, and error it is.

All here would agree that Jesus is not speaking concerning not being injury by just taking anything and everything into our bodies and not be hurt thereby~of course there are several things that could kill the body, if received into them...that being said, there is not ONE THING that we can put into our bodies, that can defile us SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING, not one thing! Reason being is this, it cannot get into our hearts, only into our stomachs, and from there into the porcelain horse and into the sewer system where it belongs!!  Our Lord was correcting a error very similar to your misunderstanding of how one should understand scriptures. The blinded but very proud Pharisees thought that in order to be spiritually clean and stay that way, they should wash their hands before eating lest they allow any defilement into their bodies, while at the very same time they rejected God's truths and hating the very ones that were sent from him (not saying that you do).....They were blinded as far as what constituted true biblical holiness/sanctification! just as you are showing to be, and we say this in love, or we would not be here wasting our time.  True children of God are very careful about what is allowed into our hearts, and what come from there~this is the main area of our battles with this world, sin and Satan, not so much about watching what goes into out mouths, for as Jesus said: there is NOTHING that enters into our mouths can defile us spiritually before God, NOTHING!

Nevertheless did a very good job explaining Isaiah 66:17, concerning those that were religious, and did things their own ways thinking that God was well pleased with them, in spite of the fact that they went against his law that was in effect for that time being, until the time of reformation, where the New Covenant would explain clearly as to why God instituted the many laws to Israel to keep, which we have already explained in our first post, and will not do it again. If you love God, and his word, may he give you a understanding heart to see clearly the teaching of the NT under which we now live and serve God.  Which in truth, all of the true saints of old understood. 

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Psalms 51:15-19~"O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar."
 
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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #33 on: Sat Sep 05, 2015 - 09:51:06 »
If this was taken literally then we'd have to assume that nothing entering a man can defile him...obviously this isn't true.No one can eat anything on this earth and not suffer from the effects of it. Scripture also makes clear what the subject of this matter was, it was not eating unclean things, it was eating clean foods(the foods that aren't abominations to us) with unclean hands
This thread is not making very much progress, even though some very good thoughts have been given to help you to see the error of your way, and error it is.

All here would agree that Jesus is not speaking concerning not being injury by just taking anything and everything into our bodies and not be hurt thereby~of course there are several things that could kill the body, if received into them...that being said, there is not ONE THING that we can put into our bodies, that can defile us SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING, not one thing! Reason being is this, it cannot get into our hearts, only into our stomachs, and from there into the porcelain horse and into the sewer system where it belongs!!  Our Lord was correcting a error very similar to your misunderstanding of how one should understand scriptures. The blinded but very proud Pharisees thought that in order to be spiritually clean and stay that way, they should wash their hands before eating lest they allow any defilement into their bodies, while at the very same time they rejected God's truths and hating the very ones that were sent from him (not saying that you do).....They were blinded as far as what constituted true biblical holiness/sanctification! just as you are showing to be, and we say this in love, or we would not be here wasting our time.  True children of God are very careful about what is allowed into our hearts, and what come from there~this is the main area of our battles with this world, sin and Satan, not so much about watching what goes into out mouths, for as Jesus said: there is NOTHING that enters into our mouths can defile us spiritually before God, NOTHING!

Nevertheless did a very good job explaining Isaiah 66:17, concerning those that were religious, and did things their own ways thinking that God was well pleased with them, in spite of the fact that they went against his law that was in effect for that time being, until the time of reformation, where the New Covenant would explain clearly as to why God instituted the many laws to Israel to keep, which we have already explained in our first post, and will not do it again. If you love God, and his word, may he give you a understanding heart to see clearly the teaching of the NT under which we now live and serve God.  Which in truth, all of the true saints of old understood. 

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Psalms 51:15-19~"O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar."


What did you just show me? you showed me a scripture out of context that has nothing to do with eating swine or mouse and put it with Isaiah. Besides there is nothing in the passage in Isaiah that said anything about sacrifices? or am i wrong?. God said he was mad at them because they purified themselves and santified themselves, its clear, it no where mentioned sacrifices. Also just because many don't believe the same thing doesn't mean anything at all, Catholicism is the biggest religion in the world and i can promise you they have some major stuff wrong with what they teach. People die holding a lie.
The topic of that verse was still about Eating with unwashed hands as Jesus clearly said.

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Re: Does God care about what we eat?
« Reply #34 on: Sat Sep 05, 2015 - 10:03:21 »
To bring up a point, the Lord said not to give holy things to dogs, nor cast your pearls before swines. I don't think he was talking about canines and pigs. The Law states the swine is unclean because, even though they have split hooves, they do not chew the curd. They have the hooves of a clean animal, yet they don't chew the curd of a clean animal. Do you believe that reason should be taken literally, or is it rather a parable, like the rest?

 

     
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