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How to please the Lord? - The only way is GRACE
« on: December 18, 2011, 03:49:24 PM »
There is much talk on this forum about obedience. Now, any "good" Christian wants to please the Lord Jesus Christ. Any "Good" Christian wants to be obedient to the Lords command. But what if the fundamentals are all wrong.....I will cover that in a moment.

We are aware that in the last days (we are in the last days) many with turn away from sound doctrine and follow the doctrine of demons (1 Timothy 4:1). One of the worst deceptions has two extremes and it all centres around Grace. The first preach a Grace which allows such licence that immorality is acceptable.  The second whilst acknowledging Grace, then goes to build on that foundation rules and regulations and eventually does away with Grace altogether and observes ritual, laws, and unwittingly enters into witchcraft (the knowledge of God and evil - rebellion)

It needs to be said that the Grace of Jesus Christ, is first of all a gift, Charis (Greek) - also means thank you. Grace is a gift and cannot be added to because it is complete. Grace itself cannot be separated from who Jesus Christ is and so if Grace is rejected or maligned, Jesus Christ is rejected or maligned. People often say that Grace means unmerited favour, but what does this mean? Unmerited favour means, being made right with God, having Gods favour, without earning it, without merit, without self work, not rooted in our own achievement or obedience and totally undeserved.

So if Grace means being made right with God, which is does, through no act or righteousness of our own. Why do people try to add to it? Well, a simple answer would be lack of faith, which is based on fear, and no-one can be perfected in fear. Fear is the enemy of faith and counters it, and is rooted in doubt. We only need a small amount of faith, even only as small as a mustard seed, but if we doubt we are tossed around and are double minded - we will not receive anything from the Lord in such a state. But if we do not doubt we can say to a mountain be removed and it will be. The faith we receive is actually the faith of God, it is not our own, it cannot fail.

So going back to the original question "How to please the Lord?". Would you believe it if I told you that if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ then you already do. You are hidden with Christ in God. Would you believe that even if you are not a believer it if freely available for you to receive - GRACE. It doesn't matter what you have done, where you have been, how evil you are, JESUS died for you. You know about Sin, but God wants you to know about Jesus. Every doctrine that talks about God but makes you concentrate on something other than Jesus Christ is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

So if you want to please the Lord, you can't. No-one can. Only Jesus can please God, but you can have his righteousness, his nature, his relationship with God his father if you believe that Jesus lived, died and rose again because he loved you. He came to the earth for you and to purchase you through his blood. So you would no longer struggle with sin but be alive to God.

Accept the Grace of God, and be thankful.



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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2011, 08:14:09 PM »
A good sermon indeed. It brings to mind the hymn: "When I see the Blood."


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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 04:29:56 AM »
There is much talk on this forum about obedience. Now, any "good" Christian wants to please the Lord Jesus Christ. Any "Good" Christian wants to be obedient to the Lords command. But what if the fundamentals are all wrong.....I will cover that in a moment.

We are aware that in the last days (we are in the last days) many with turn away from sound doctrine and follow the doctrine of demons (1 Timothy 4:1). One of the worst deceptions has two extremes and it all centres around Grace. The first preach a Grace which allows such licence that immorality is acceptable.  The second whilst acknowledging Grace, then goes to build on that foundation rules and regulations and eventually does away with Grace altogether and observes ritual, laws, and unwittingly enters into witchcraft (the knowledge of God and evil - rebellion)

It needs to be said that the Grace of Jesus Christ, is first of all a gift, Charis (Greek) - also means thank you. Grace is a gift and cannot be added to because it is complete. Grace itself cannot be separated from who Jesus Christ is and so if Grace is rejected or maligned, Jesus Christ is rejected or maligned. People often say that Grace means unmerited favour, but what does this mean? Unmerited favour means, being made right with God, having Gods favour, without earning it, without merit, without self work, not rooted in our own achievement or obedience and totally undeserved.

So if Grace means being made right with God, which is does, through no act or righteousness of our own. Why do people try to add to it? Well, a simple answer would be lack of faith, which is based on fear, and no-one can be perfected in fear. Fear is the enemy of faith and counters it, and is rooted in doubt. We only need a small amount of faith, even only as small as a mustard seed, but if we doubt we are tossed around and are double minded - we will not receive anything from the Lord in such a state. But if we do not doubt we can say to a mountain be removed and it will be. The faith we receive is actually the faith of God, it is not our own, it cannot fail.

So going back to the original question "How to please the Lord?". Would you believe it if I told you that if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ then you already do. You are hidden with Christ in God. Would you believe that even if you are not a believer it if freely available for you to receive - GRACE. It doesn't matter what you have done, where you have been, how evil you are, JESUS died for you. You know about Sin, but God wants you to know about Jesus. Every doctrine that talks about God but makes you concentrate on something other than Jesus Christ is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

So if you want to please the Lord, you can't. No-one can. Only Jesus can please God, but you can have his righteousness, his nature, his relationship with God his father if you believe that Jesus lived, died and rose again because he loved you. He came to the earth for you and to purchase you through his blood. So you would no longer struggle with sin but be alive to God.

Accept the Grace of God, and be thankful.





It's not that people are adding to it but rather, a person isn't saved just because they asked the Lord into their life at one point in time.
You can't live an immoral life away from Him and then still expect to be going to heaven.
Jesus warns that if He cut the Jews off which are His chosen people - how easy would it be to cut the gentiles off if they do not remain in Him and obey His commands?
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 04:49:02 AM »
INJ,

You have inappropriately equated faith and grace.  Grace and faith are not the same thing.  You asked,

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So if Grace means being made right with God, which is does, through no act or righteousness of our own. Why do people try to add to it? Well, a simple answer would be lack of faith, which is based on fear, and no-one can be perfected in fear.

But faith is added to grace. Grace is God's part, faith is man's part.

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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 05:51:23 AM »
There is much talk on this forum about obedience. Now, any "good" Christian wants to please the Lord Jesus Christ. Any "Good" Christian wants to be obedient to the Lords command. But what if the fundamentals are all wrong.....I will cover that in a moment.

We are aware that in the last days (we are in the last days) many with turn away from sound doctrine and follow the doctrine of demons (1 Timothy 4:1). One of the worst deceptions has two extremes and it all centres around Grace. The first preach a Grace which allows such licence that immorality is acceptable.  The second whilst acknowledging Grace, then goes to build on that foundation rules and regulations and eventually does away with Grace altogether and observes ritual, laws, and unwittingly enters into witchcraft (the knowledge of God and evil - rebellion)

It needs to be said that the Grace of Jesus Christ, is first of all a gift, Charis (Greek) - also means thank you. Grace is a gift and cannot be added to because it is complete. Grace itself cannot be separated from who Jesus Christ is and so if Grace is rejected or maligned, Jesus Christ is rejected or maligned. People often say that Grace means unmerited favour, but what does this mean? Unmerited favour means, being made right with God, having Gods favour, without earning it, without merit, without self work, not rooted in our own achievement or obedience and totally undeserved.

So if Grace means being made right with God, which is does, through no act or righteousness of our own. Why do people try to add to it? Well, a simple answer would be lack of faith, which is based on fear, and no-one can be perfected in fear. Fear is the enemy of faith and counters it, and is rooted in doubt. We only need a small amount of faith, even only as small as a mustard seed, but if we doubt we are tossed around and are double minded - we will not receive anything from the Lord in such a state. But if we do not doubt we can say to a mountain be removed and it will be. The faith we receive is actually the faith of God, it is not our own, it cannot fail.

So going back to the original question "How to please the Lord?". Would you believe it if I told you that if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ then you already do. You are hidden with Christ in God. Would you believe that even if you are not a believer it if freely available for you to receive - GRACE. It doesn't matter what you have done, where you have been, how evil you are, JESUS died for you. You know about Sin, but God wants you to know about Jesus. Every doctrine that talks about God but makes you concentrate on something other than Jesus Christ is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

So if you want to please the Lord, you can't. No-one can. Only Jesus can please God, but you can have his righteousness, his nature, his relationship with God his father if you believe that Jesus lived, died and rose again because he loved you. He came to the earth for you and to purchase you through his blood. So you would no longer struggle with sin but be alive to God.

Accept the Grace of God, and be thankful.


It's not that people are adding to it but rather, a person isn't saved just because they asked the Lord into their life at one point in time.
You can't live an immoral life away from Him and then still expect to be going to heaven.

Jesus warns that if He cut the Jews off which are His chosen people - how easy would it be to cut the gentiles off if they do not remain in Him and obey His commands?

I completely understand what you are saying, but there is a catch in what you are saying.

Are you the Lord? I know you are not.  ::smile:: God looks on the heart and not the outward appearance, he knows those who are his.  ::nodding:: He knows those who are born again of his spirit.  ::nodding:: He knows those who are not.  ::nodding:: He knows those who are born again but are babes and struggling with sin and those who pretend to be saved and live a life of sin.  ::nodding:: There is a huge difference.

If you look at the Corinthian church it had worse issues than any body or group of believers that I know about, prostitution, iciest, idol worship, orgies, etc but these in the main where born again believers. So how did Paul respond? He responded by preaching the word of God, letting them know who Christ was, teaching about error and using his authority in Grace. He only expelled one that I am aware of who was so immoral even the unbelievers would be shocked by the conduct, and that was because they not only refused to repent but boasted about it, but even this was done in love.

Nowadays, many Christians have forgotten the Kingdom of God principle - seed - time - harvest. Once the word of God is sown it takes time to see the fruit. In fact the deeper the root of the word of God the longer it will take for anyone to see a change, but how amazing the crop will be once it is ripe unto harvest. Look at the parable of the sower, do we really believe what Jesus is saying here, that the one who received the word immediately and springs up quickly will not survive?

The problem you see is that law, rules and commands ( (OT Style) and pseudo NT ) make people behave outwardly, not inwardly. If has no power to change the heart. They have a form of Godliness but deny its power (2 Tim 3:5), and it is based on human reasoning and not the Holy Spirit nor the Kingdom of God. It is again based on fear and control, please remember that control and manipulation is actually the root of witchcraft.

So actually scripture teaches once saved always saved, and once someone is saved they do not always display the right fruit immediately and if it is of God the fruit that will last will be produced later. But people are impatient, they want instant results. They want everyone to be the same, not real growth but it looks good, behaves good and then people are shocked when they leave church or quit a few years down the line. But it is true that those who are born of God do not want to sin, they have the Holy Spirit who leads them into all truth, but if someone does sin we have an advocate Jesus Christ.

It is not by might nor by power but by God's Spirit. God is not mocked everyone reaps what they sow.

If we had a church that looked messy to begin with but allowed the Holy Spirit to work on people as the undiluted word of God was preached we would have a powerful witness of Christ to the nations.

I have said many things that could be misinterpreted, so I ask that you hear with your spiritual ears. Jesus builds his church...get out the way.
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 05:52:37 AM »
INJ,

You have inappropriately equated faith and grace.  Grace and faith are not the same thing.  You asked,

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So if Grace means being made right with God, which is does, through no act or righteousness of our own. Why do people try to add to it? Well, a simple answer would be lack of faith, which is based on fear, and no-one can be perfected in fear.

But faith is added to grace. Grace is God's part, faith is man's part.

I have not equated incorrectly Jimmy.Grace and faith is God's part they are both a gift.
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 06:05:11 AM »
INJ,

You have inappropriately equated faith and grace.  Grace and faith are not the same thing.  You asked,

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So if Grace means being made right with God, which is does, through no act or righteousness of our own. Why do people try to add to it? Well, a simple answer would be lack of faith, which is based on fear, and no-one can be perfected in fear.

But faith is added to grace. Grace is God's part, faith is man's part.

I have not equated incorrectly Jimmy.Grace and faith is God's part they are both a gift.

Then why does He not give the gift of faith to everyone? 

1Tim 2:4  [God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 06:20:29 AM »
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another point of agreement.  Like I have told you for some time our personal views are not that far apart.   If faith is also a gift that makes God a respecter of persons and therefore a liar.
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 06:32:40 AM »
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another point of agreement.  Like I have told you for some time our personal views are not that far apart.   If faith is also a gift that makes God a respecter of persons and therefore a liar.

You need to be careful in your words regarding God. God never lies

American King James Version (Eph 2:8)
For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 06:33:30 AM »
Jimmy
another point of agreement.  Like I have told you for some time our personal views are not that far apart.   If faith is also a gift that makes God a respecter of persons and therefore a liar.

That at the very least.

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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 06:37:49 AM »
Jimmy
another point of agreement.  Like I have told you for some time our personal views are not that far apart.   If faith is also a gift that makes God a respecter of persons and therefore a liar.

You need to be careful in your words regarding God. God never lies

American King James Version (Eph 2:8)
For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


You are correct, God never lies.  That is why your interpretation of Eph 2:8 has to be wrong.  And you are the one who, by incorrect interpretation, have inferred that God is a liar.

The "it" in Eph 2:8 is not faith.  Strictly speaking the "it" in Eph 2:8 is not grace either, even though grace may be considered a gift. The gift is that "by grace you have been saved THROUGH faith".  The is the gift is salvation.

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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2011, 06:38:32 AM »
INJ,

You have inappropriately equated faith and grace.  Grace and faith are not the same thing.  You asked,

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So if Grace means being made right with God, which is does, through no act or righteousness of our own. Why do people try to add to it? Well, a simple answer would be lack of faith, which is based on fear, and no-one can be perfected in fear.

But faith is added to grace. Grace is God's part, faith is man's part.

I have not equated incorrectly Jimmy.Grace and faith is God's part they are both a gift.

Then why does He not give the gift of faith to everyone? 

1Tim 2:4  [God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

John 3:18-21 (NLT)

18“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.g
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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2011, 06:39:31 AM »
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The bible declares that God is no respecter of persons.  So if He picks out certain people to give faith to that is a false statement.  However, God is not a liar because He is not a respecter of persons.  I was simply denying your point with logic.  
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2011, 06:41:10 AM »
INJ,

You have inappropriately equated faith and grace.  Grace and faith are not the same thing.  You asked,

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So if Grace means being made right with God, which is does, through no act or righteousness of our own. Why do people try to add to it? Well, a simple answer would be lack of faith, which is based on fear, and no-one can be perfected in fear.

But faith is added to grace. Grace is God's part, faith is man's part.

I have not equated incorrectly Jimmy.Grace and faith is God's part they are both a gift.

Then why does He not give the gift of faith to everyone? 

1Tim 2:4  [God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Gotta go with Jimmy on this one, faith is something we (man) must display.  Grace is surely a gift from God, but we must choose to believe in Him (Jesus Christ) in order to receive that gift of Grace.

(I also noted that OSAS got slipped in there...............  ::smile::)


[So actually scripture teaches once saved always saved]


                                                                                    

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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2011, 06:42:21 AM »
INJ,

You have inappropriately equated faith and grace.  Grace and faith are not the same thing.  You asked,

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So if Grace means being made right with God, which is does, through no act or righteousness of our own. Why do people try to add to it? Well, a simple answer would be lack of faith, which is based on fear, and no-one can be perfected in fear.

But faith is added to grace. Grace is God's part, faith is man's part.

I have not equated incorrectly Jimmy.Grace and faith is God's part they are both a gift.

Then why does He not give the gift of faith to everyone? 

1Tim 2:4  [God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

John 3:18-21 (NLT)

18“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.g