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How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« on: Tue Feb 08, 2011 - 15:29:40 »
 

 Hi to all , and most believers will agree that Saul /Paul  was saved on the road to Damascus .

 Most believers today are taught the there is  ONLY   one Gospel and they say that it began in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve .

  Some say that we are saved by the Mosaic Law .

 Others say that we are saved by Water Baptism .

  In Acts 9:6 we have the account of how Paul was saved >

  #1 ,  was he saved by keeping the Law of Moses ?

  #2 , was he saved by Water  Baptism ??

  #3 , was he saved by Grace ?

  This is what I believe ;

  #1 , SAUL was  Placed into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit , 1 Cor 12:13 .

  #2 , and  1 Cor 12:3 , shows how SAUL/PAUL WAS  saved .

  #3 , It also shows that he was saved by Grace .

  #4 , This also means that Paul was the  first   MEMBER  in the Body of Christ .   dan p

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #1 on: Tue Feb 08, 2011 - 16:49:20 »
Sort of new here.  Just learning my way around.  Are you referring to the Dispensational apprach to Scripture as opposed to a more unified (covenantal) approach?

What mankind has needed, since the Fall, is righteousness

The Bible has always held out 2 ways to obtain it:

1) On your own (ie BE perfectly righteous)
2) Receive it freely as God's gift of grace through faith in Jesus Christ the perfect Lamb of God

Option 1 has not worked for anyone (except Jesus Himself)

So option 2 is our only hope.  Thus, the "gospel" or good news is the proclamation of God's free gift of righteousness on the grounds of faith.  This is how Old Testament believers were saved.  This is how NT believers are saved.


" But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus." (Romans 3:21-26)

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #2 on: Tue Feb 08, 2011 - 18:53:49 »
Sort of new here.  Just learning my way around.  Are you referring to the Dispensational apprach to Scripture as opposed to a more unified (covenantal) approach?
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  Hi Apothecary 4 Christ ,  rofl ,  and I believe in Pauline Dispensationalism , because Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and Paul is the only that preaches Grace .

 Jesus and the 12 never did and their preaching was about Repentance and Water Baptism  and Paul's preaching was about Grace , 

 Eph says that Covenants were not for Gentiles , Eph 2:12 , say so .    dan p

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #3 on: Wed Feb 09, 2011 - 07:10:12 »
I personally was saved when God reached out and plucked my soul from spiritual death.  He granted me (His enemy) repentance and faith, and I trusted in Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord.  It is as amazing to me today as it was 22 years ago when that happened.  I didn't deserve it then, and I don't deserve it now. 

And so, in a sense, it really doesn't matter to me how Paul was saved.  Or Adam or Abraham or Elijah or Sampson or Moses...

I know how I was saved.  I know what my children need to be saved, and I am praying for their souls.  I know what my neighbors and friends need to be saved, and I hope to keep before them the wonders of Christ's love and the riches of His grace.

Blessings my friend!

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #4 on: Wed Feb 09, 2011 - 17:02:41 »
 

  Hi Apothecary4 Christ , and the reason that I addressed that  OP , IS THAT  most believers do not know under what Gospel that Paul was saved under .

  I am glad that I was born under the dispensation of Grace and not under the Law .

  We just have to remember Eph 2:8  , that we are saved by grace  and the word grace inn 2:8 is in the Greek  Perfect  Tense , which means  Past Action  with Continuing Results .

 This means OSAS  ,  which means  SAVED  in the Past and you are always in the Present , never in the past , but in the real present and not in the future .

  We are also in the Passive Voice which means that it was Christ that saved you and not you .

  And it is in the Indicative Mood  which means what I have told you is a  FACT ,  DAN P

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #5 on: Mon Apr 25, 2011 - 11:55:27 »
Paul told Timothy that he had fought the good fight, finished the race and kept the faith, 2 Tim 4:7.  I don't believe God would have saved him if he had neglected any of these elements.

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #6 on: Tue Apr 26, 2011 - 10:01:19 »
 

 Hi to all , and most believers will agree that Saul /Paul  was saved on the road to Damascus .

 Most believers today are taught the there is  ONLY   one Gospel and they say that it began in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve .

  Some say that we are saved by the Mosaic Law .

 Others say that we are saved by Water Baptism .

  In Acts 9:6 we have the account of how Paul was saved >

  #1 ,  was he saved by keeping the Law of Moses ?

  #2 , was he saved by Water  Baptism ??

  #3 , was he saved by Grace ?

  This is what I believe ;

  #1 , SAUL was  Placed into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit , 1 Cor 12:13 .

  #2 , and  1 Cor 12:3 , shows how SAUL/PAUL WAS  saved .

  #3 , It also shows that he was saved by Grace .

  #4 , This also means that Paul was the  first   MEMBER  in the Body of Christ .   dan p

I don't think we could say that Paul was the first member of the Body of Christ, as the clothes of Stephen, the martyred Christian, were thrown at the feet of Saul before Saul became Paul.  There were already members of the Body of Christ before he was saved.

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #7 on: Tue Apr 26, 2011 - 18:37:09 »
 

 Hi to all , and most believers will agree that Saul /Paul  was saved on the road to Damascus .

 Most believers today are taught the there is  ONLY   one Gospel and they say that it began in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve .

  Some say that we are saved by the Mosaic Law .

 Others say that we are saved by Water Baptism .

  In Acts 9:6 we have the account of how Paul was saved >

  #1 ,  was he saved by keeping the Law of Moses ?

  #2 , was he saved by Water  Baptism ??

  #3 , was he saved by Grace ?

  This is what I believe ;

  #1 , SAUL was  Placed into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit , 1 Cor 12:13 .

  #2 , and  1 Cor 12:3 , shows how SAUL/PAUL WAS  saved .

  #3 , It also shows that he was saved by Grace .

  #4 , This also means that Paul was the  first   MEMBER  in the Body of Christ .   dan p

One thing we know for certain is that he was not saved before his sins were washed away.

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #8 on: Thu May 05, 2011 - 15:53:14 »
 
 Hi , and now show a verse Paul was Baptized , if you mean water baptism ?   dan p

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #9 on: Fri May 06, 2011 - 05:01:03 »
This is what I believe ;

  #1 , SAUL was  Placed into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit , 1 Cor 12:13 .

  #2 , and  1 Cor 12:3 , shows how SAUL/PAUL WAS  saved .

  #3 , It also shows that he was saved by Grace .

  #4 , This also means that Paul was the  first   MEMBER  in the Body of Christ .   dan p


  Ans 1. Yip, that verse says that we are 'ALL' baptised into one body.(not just Paul)

  Ans 2. Yip, that verses says 'NO ONE' can say Jesus is Lord without the Spirit(which all true believers say)
  Ans 3. Yip, we are all saved by Grace(eph 2v8, 2nd Tim 1v9)

  Ans 4. Do you have scripture for that???

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #10 on: Mon May 09, 2011 - 17:19:14 »

 Hi , and there are many verses that prove my analysis is correct ,

 #1 , in Rom 1:1 , where the Greek word  APHROZIO  can be translated by the following words ;
    A)  separated
   B)  boundaries
   C) limited

 The word APHROZIO  is in the Greek Perfect tense , and means that when Paul was saved happened in the Past Tense  and the Continuing Results carried on in the Present Tense till he died .  That means Paul was  LIMITED  to only preach the Gospel of the grace of God Acts 20:24

 #2 , My other proof is found in 1 Cor 15:8 , where only Paul was the  ONLY  one  " born out of  DUE  time "  and no other and solves the 12 IN  and 12  Out controversy , which means the 12 apostles could never be part of the Body of Christ .

 #3 , Another one is in Titus 1:3 .

 #4 , the last one is found in 1 Tim 1:15-16 , where the Greek word  PROTOS  should be translated  FIRST .  In , other words , saved by grace as a Pattern to those that follow him , verse 16 ,    dan p

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #11 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 14:14:17 »
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first[/b] member of the Body of Christ, as the clothes of Stephen, the martyred Christian, were thrown at the feet of Saul before Saul became Paul.  There were already members of the Body of Christ before he was saved.


 Hi , and I know what verses you are talking about , Rom 16:7 , that Andronicus and Junia were in Christ before Paul , how can that be ?

 Paul is the only writer that writes and develops , what it means to be in Christ !!

 Paul uses 9 Phrases that talk about being in Christ !!

 #1 , In Christ Jesus 47 times and this is our Lord's resurrected name !

 #2 , In the Lord , 41 times !

 #3 , In Christ , 31 times !

 #4 , In Him , 20 times !

 #5 , In the Lord Jesus , 6 ti9mes !

 #6 , In Whom , 6 times !

 #7 , In Jesus , 1 time !

 #8 , In Himself , 2 times !

 #9 , In the Beloved One , 1 time !

 There are 49 times that Paul writes about the Appilcation that are a part of being in Christ !

 Then Paul writes and expands 62 times the subjects are all doctrinall .

 this is no small subject and Paul is the only to write about it !!

 So , how caould anyone be in Christ before Paul ??

 Yet I believe Rom 16:7  , yes I do and I see and answer , so what say you ??

 dan p

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #12 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 14:50:46 »
 

 Hi to all , and most believers will agree that Saul /Paul  was saved on the road to Damascus .

 Most believers today are taught the there is  ONLY   one Gospel and they say that it began in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve .

  Some say that we are saved by the Mosaic Law .

 Others say that we are saved by Water Baptism .

  In Acts 9:6 we have the account of how Paul was saved >

  #1 ,  was he saved by keeping the Law of Moses ?

  #2 , was he saved by Water  Baptism ??

  #3 , was he saved by Grace ?

  This is what I believe ;

  #1 , SAUL was  Placed into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit , 1 Cor 12:13 .

  #2 , and  1 Cor 12:3 , shows how SAUL/PAUL WAS  saved .

  #3 , It also shows that he was saved by Grace .

  #4 , This also means that Paul was the  first   MEMBER  in the Body of Christ .   dan p

I don't think we could say that Paul was the first member of the Body of Christ, as the clothes of Stephen, the martyred Christian, were thrown at the feet of Saul before Saul became Paul.  There were already members of the Body of Christ before he was saved.


 Hi and 1 Tim 15 and 16  show that Saul was the first one saved by Grace and the key word in verse 15 and 16 is  PROTOS   which means  First and  Chief  does not mean  Chief ,  dan p

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #13 on: Mon Feb 13, 2012 - 05:32:44 »

 Hi , and now show a verse Paul was Baptized , if you mean water baptism ?   dan p

Dan,

Could Paul state with confidence: having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. (Colossians 2:12)

How so?

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #14 on: Mon Feb 13, 2012 - 06:41:56 »

 Hi , and now show a verse Paul was Baptized , if you mean water baptism ?   dan p
Acts 9.17 So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #15 on: Mon Feb 13, 2012 - 06:56:51 »
Well done

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #16 on: Sun Jun 10, 2012 - 17:17:03 »
I would not say that Paul was the first saved. He was the 13th-14th Apostle.


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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #17 on: Sun Jul 01, 2012 - 23:23:00 »
 How was SAUL /PAUL  saved ??

By God's declaration.

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Re: How was SAUL /PAUL saved ??
« Reply #18 on: Sun Jul 08, 2012 - 08:29:02 »
I would not say that Paul was the first saved. He was the 13th-14th Apostle.



Paul was the first to recieve the atonement .

Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. -1 Timothy 1:16

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. -Romans 5:10
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. -Romans 5:11

 

     
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