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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #35 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 10:17:33 »
The Israel of God is all people who believe in Jesus through faith.  But we mistakenly still think it is the nation of Israel spoken of in Genesis that God has made His church...simply because of bloodline..... when they do not accept Jesus at all.

Right. Any Jews who are grafted back in must now come to God by way - not of their birth, ancestry, or nationality - but by way of faith in Christ.

Either that or Jesus lied in John 14:6.


Absolutely, grafted in natural branches that were once broken off. Coming in by faith in Christ. Their blindness or hardening removed so they can see the truth. A Jew dying today without Christ is as unsaved as a Gentile dying today without Christ.

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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #36 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 10:50:20 »
The fundamental Jew of today is the same Jew of 2000 years ago that denied and missed the call to God's only begotten son, and everlasting life through Him and only through Him.


It is still our position as Christians to minister to all nations the good news of Christ.


2 minutes or 2000 years, this certainly isn't the first time the Jews have gone astray, but the fact still remains that the Jews are God's chosen ones.


A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!

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« Reply #37 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 14:27:05 »
I just stopped in to see if there were more comments I noticed,

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"


“Some of the greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.” — Jewish writer Sever Plocker

Gaza and the Ghetto were first set up to be open-air prison camps — temporary measures to mask the real plans. Gaza’s young population had grown to over 1.8 million entrapped human beings by 2014. Obviously, if the Gazans could not travel, farm, fish and trade by normal means, they would dig tunnels for supplies and fight against their relegation to the status of caged animals by the Israeli state.

The next steps after the successful enclosure would be systematic and premeditated: the Zionists launched total war against the inevitable acts of resistance by the oppressed. They sent planes, tanks, missiles, and bombs to level populated areas, especially neighborhoods where young fighters rose up to resist this unendurable cruelty.

In line with this super race mythology, Israel’s killing machine is really most effective at murdering unarmed civilians — invalids who cannot run, doctors who stay to care for the wounded, and mothers and children in their flimsy shelters — and rather pathetic when it confronts face to face determined armed resistance fighters.

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"

I don't deny Israel, but I wont support their actions, anyone interested in how they can do these things without conscience, empathy or remorse may find the answer in the Talmud.




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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #38 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 14:32:10 »
I just stopped in to see if there were more comments I noticed,

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"


“Some of the greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.” — Jewish writer Sever Plocker

Gaza and the Ghetto were first set up to be open-air prison camps — temporary measures to mask the real plans. Gaza’s young population had grown to over 1.8 million entrapped human beings by 2014. Obviously, if the Gazans could not travel, farm, fish and trade by normal means, they would dig tunnels for supplies and fight against their relegation to the status of caged animals by the Israeli state.

The next steps after the successful enclosure would be systematic and premeditated: the Zionists launched total war against the inevitable acts of resistance by the oppressed. They sent planes, tanks, missiles, and bombs to level populated areas, especially neighborhoods where young fighters rose up to resist this unendurable cruelty.

In line with this super race mythology, Israel’s killing machine is really most effective at murdering unarmed civilians — invalids who cannot run, doctors who stay to care for the wounded, and mothers and children in their flimsy shelters — and rather pathetic when it confronts face to face determined armed resistance fighters.

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"

I don't deny Israel, but I wont support their actions, anyone interested in how they can do these things without conscience, empathy or remorse may find the answer in the Talmud.





Why do you only find fault with the Jewish nation?  Why aren't you appalled by the Islamic horrors being aimed at Christians? 

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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #39 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 14:38:21 »
I just stopped in to see if there were more comments I noticed,

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"


“Some of the greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.” — Jewish writer Sever Plocker

Gaza and the Ghetto were first set up to be open-air prison camps — temporary measures to mask the real plans. Gaza’s young population had grown to over 1.8 million entrapped human beings by 2014. Obviously, if the Gazans could not travel, farm, fish and trade by normal means, they would dig tunnels for supplies and fight against their relegation to the status of caged animals by the Israeli state.

The next steps after the successful enclosure would be systematic and premeditated: the Zionists launched total war against the inevitable acts of resistance by the oppressed. They sent planes, tanks, missiles, and bombs to level populated areas, especially neighborhoods where young fighters rose up to resist this unendurable cruelty.

In line with this super race mythology, Israel’s killing machine is really most effective at murdering unarmed civilians — invalids who cannot run, doctors who stay to care for the wounded, and mothers and children in their flimsy shelters — and rather pathetic when it confronts face to face determined armed resistance fighters.

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"

I don't deny Israel, but I wont support their actions, anyone interested in how they can do these things without conscience, empathy or remorse may find the answer in the Talmud.


That is a really distorted opinion of the truth. Seems like you have been listening to only one side of the propaganda.
There is a center truth that is neither biased towards the Jews or the rebels that claim the name "Palestinians". (and yes, they are rebels and thugs)


But in truth


Where Israel is no innocent in this matter, they are the least guilty of the two parties involved.


Hamas' crimes and guilt is much much higher than Israel's.
They were terrorists in the '60's and here in 2014 they haven't changed at all. 




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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #40 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 15:05:04 »
I just stopped in to see if there were more comments I noticed,

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"


“Some of the greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.” — Jewish writer Sever Plocker

Gaza and the Ghetto were first set up to be open-air prison camps — temporary measures to mask the real plans. Gaza’s young population had grown to over 1.8 million entrapped human beings by 2014. Obviously, if the Gazans could not travel, farm, fish and trade by normal means, they would dig tunnels for supplies and fight against their relegation to the status of caged animals by the Israeli state.

The next steps after the successful enclosure would be systematic and premeditated: the Zionists launched total war against the inevitable acts of resistance by the oppressed. They sent planes, tanks, missiles, and bombs to level populated areas, especially neighborhoods where young fighters rose up to resist this unendurable cruelty.

In line with this super race mythology, Israel’s killing machine is really most effective at murdering unarmed civilians — invalids who cannot run, doctors who stay to care for the wounded, and mothers and children in their flimsy shelters — and rather pathetic when it confronts face to face determined armed resistance fighters.

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"

I don't deny Israel, but I wont support their actions, anyone interested in how they can do these things without conscience, empathy or remorse may find the answer in the Talmud.





We have to obey God no matter what we feel. Israel most of the time are reacting to the threats made to them and the rockets fired into their country every day. Any country has the right to defend itself from armed aggression.

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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #41 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 15:05:49 »
I just stopped in to see if there were more comments I noticed,

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"


“Some of the greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.” — Jewish writer Sever Plocker

Gaza and the Ghetto were first set up to be open-air prison camps — temporary measures to mask the real plans. Gaza’s young population had grown to over 1.8 million entrapped human beings by 2014. Obviously, if the Gazans could not travel, farm, fish and trade by normal means, they would dig tunnels for supplies and fight against their relegation to the status of caged animals by the Israeli state.

The next steps after the successful enclosure would be systematic and premeditated: the Zionists launched total war against the inevitable acts of resistance by the oppressed. They sent planes, tanks, missiles, and bombs to level populated areas, especially neighborhoods where young fighters rose up to resist this unendurable cruelty.

In line with this super race mythology, Israel’s killing machine is really most effective at murdering unarmed civilians — invalids who cannot run, doctors who stay to care for the wounded, and mothers and children in their flimsy shelters — and rather pathetic when it confronts face to face determined armed resistance fighters.

"A Christian that denies Israel and the Jewish people is no Christian!!!"

I don't deny Israel, but I wont support their actions, anyone interested in how they can do these things without conscience, empathy or remorse may find the answer in the Talmud.





Why do you only find fault with the Jewish nation?  Why aren't you appalled by the Islamic horrors being aimed at Christians? 
   

Which are far worse and totally undeserved.

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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #42 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 15:54:23 »

I don't deny Israel, but I wont support their actions, anyone interested in how they can do these things without conscience, empathy or remorse may find the answer in the Talmud.


Reading the Talmud is on par with reading the Qu'ran, it's based on the fallacy of a people deceived. 

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« Reply #43 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 16:15:19 »
The Talmuds are not written "around the same time" as the Old Testament Scriptures.  The Talmuds don't really start til about 90AD, while the canon of the Old Testament was mostly set half a millennia earlier in the days of Ezra.

I agree with Mere Nick.  I support Israel insofar as they are in opposition to the radical militant Islamic states.

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« Reply #44 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 23:23:58 »
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

-- Moshe Dayan, April 1969, Ha'aretz; quoted in Edward Said, 'Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims', Social Text, Volume 1, 1979, 7-58.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech

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« Reply #45 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 23:46:07 »
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."

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« Reply #46 on: Fri Aug 22, 2014 - 23:59:47 »
Jarod, WRITTEN about the same time, notice 70ce
Originally, Jewish scholarship was oral. Rabbis expounded and debated the Torah (the written Torah expressed in the Hebrew Bible) and discussed the Tanakh without the benefit of written works (other than the Biblical books themselves), though some may have made private notes (megillot setarim), for example of court decisions. However, this situation changed drastically, mainly as the result of the destruction of the Jewish commonwealth and the Second Temple in the year 70 CE and the consequent upheaval of Jewish social and legal norms. As the Rabbis were required to face a new reality—mainly Judaism without a Temple (to serve as the center of teaching and study) and Judea without at least partial autonomy—there was a flurry of legal discourse and the old system of oral scholarship could not be maintained. It is during this period that Rabbinic discourse began to be recorded in writing

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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #47 on: Sat Aug 23, 2014 - 03:16:02 »
maximoose, no matter what YOU think, they are Gods people and He wants them there. No one said they are perfect but if my country had hundreds of rockets raining down in it, and we were surrounded on all sides by people who hated us and wanted us destroyed, we would be pretty angry and jumpy as well. God makes it plain, He will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse them. Its your choice. Israel will be the center of end time happenings, and those who come against her will be destroyed. 

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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #48 on: Sat Aug 23, 2014 - 09:46:45 »
Again with incomplete facts. 

It was the ruling class from the Ottoman empire which sold land to the Jews to begin with.  (All this before WWI &WWII) Where you wish for a Muslim state it is that Muslim state that betrayed its own people.

The Jews merely wanted to rule themselves free of the tyranny of Muslims.

Also the infrastructure of the area was non-existent nor was the population even a recognizable fraction that lives there now and most certainly it isnt the group making the fuss over it all currently. (Currently from many surrounding countries which kicked them out for exactly the same behaviors)

So those complaining have no legal standing whatsoever.
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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #49 on: Sat Aug 23, 2014 - 09:51:04 »
Maximoose, again on and on with the indictments against the Jewish nation.

What do you have to say about the atrocities being committed by the Muslims going on *right now*?  Why are you so quiet on that topic?

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« Reply #50 on: Sat Aug 23, 2014 - 20:29:53 »
I may not have all facts concerning Isreal.
As I previously stated I sure don't support what isis is doing, "right now".
I do understand where they come from tho.
I also don't support what Israel is doing, there are many Isrelis that don't support it too.

I think what some people are missing about what both Israel and isis are doing, is thinking it has something to do with religion.
The people that commit these atrocities are psychopaths, they would be no matter what their religion was.
I hope that someday people recognise that, Akmed the baker could care less about Joe the plumber, they don't want to hurt each other, in fact as most people are pretty good and they probably wish each other well.
It is the psychopathic leadership that lead us into these situations and the ignorance of people that allows them to.

I began this from wondering why the Talmud is not included in the bible when the Torah is included.
Reading just a little and I had my answer, the authors call Mary a prostitute, believe it is ok to rape children under 3, believe worshipping Jesus is idoltry and have Jesus boiling in human excrement for all eternity in hell. Obviously not something to include in Christian works.
I do find it interesting that these are the same people that the Torah comes from and it is included.

Just a note, the genocide that Moses did is entirely acceptable to the Christians, he too said convert or die and enslaved the young girls, this is exactly what isis is doing today.
What Moses did is ok because God said it was, are the members of isis doing it today because they are told
God says its ok?
From the Talmud we find pedophilia is acceptable, the Torah gives us genocide and slavery, this includes pedophilia, the reward for dieing for Allah, the God of Abrahm same as the God of Moses is an eternity of enslaving young girls, or, pedophilia.

I hope some day people recognise this has been dreamt up by psychopaths and realise that Jesus would have nothing to do with it.

Jesus is love, not sickness.
Unfortunately, people are easily deceived.

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« Reply #51 on: Sat Aug 23, 2014 - 20:53:42 »
I may not have all facts concerning Isreal.
As I previously stated I sure don't support what isis is doing, "right now".
I do understand where they come from tho.
I also don't support what Israel is doing, there are many Isrelis that don't support it too.

I think what some people are missing about what both Israel and isis are doing, is thinking it has something to do with religion.
The people that commit these atrocities are psychopaths, they would be no matter what their religion was.
I hope that someday people recognise that, Akmed the baker could care less about Joe the plumber, they don't want to hurt each other, in fact as most people are pretty good and they probably wish each other well.
It is the psychopathic leadership that lead us into these situations and the ignorance of people that allows them to.

I began this from wondering why the Talmud is not included in the bible when the Torah is included.
Reading just a little and I had my answer, the authors call Mary a prostitute, believe it is ok to rape children under 3, believe worshipping Jesus is idoltry and have Jesus boiling in human excrement for all eternity in hell. Obviously not something to include in Christian works.
I do find it interesting that these are the same people that the Torah comes from and it is included.

Just a note, the genocide that Moses did is entirely acceptable to the Christians, he too said convert or die and enslaved the young girls, this is exactly what isis is doing today.
What Moses did is ok because God said it was, are the members of isis doing it today because they are told
God says its ok?
From the Talmud we find pedophilia is acceptable, the Torah gives us genocide and slavery, this includes pedophilia, the reward for dieing for Allah, the God of Abrahm same as the God of Moses is an eternity of enslaving young girls, or, pedophilia.

I hope some day people recognise this has been dreamt up by psychopaths and realise that Jesus would have nothing to do with it.

Jesus is love, not sickness.
Unfortunately, people are easily deceived.

Satan is behind the muslim faith. Jews and Christians alone believe in the one true God. Isis are the most evil, cruel, sick, appalling group of satanic monsters ever, they are truly possessed, and for anyone to have the slightest sympathy with them, as you seem to do, is totally impossible to understand or comprehend.
Israel want to live in peace without this constant day and night firing of rockets into their land. If the rockets stopped then they would not need to defend themselves. God LOVES that land and those people, you need to come to God and ask Him to give you His heart for them. The longer I have been a believer the more I understand the importance of those people, their return to Israel, and their central place in the end times prophecies.

BY the way what is in the Bible is what is supposed to be in the Bible.

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« Reply #52 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 01:17:42 »
" Isis are the most evil, cruel, sick, appalling group of satanic monsters ever, they are truly possessed" well, nice to know how informed you are about "satan".
Are you aware that the western backed government in Kiev just burned alive about 80 people in Odessa? How many people did we kill in Iraq? about 500k children alone?
The list is too long too mention, you seem completely blinded, you completely miss my point, it is PSYCHOPATHS that do this stuff, religion has zero to do with it.
Geez, how "Godly" do you think dropping nuclear bombs on Japan was? The most horrific crime against humanity to have ever taken place, and isis is the most cruel sick evil you have ever herd of? How about the slavery in the states? or the pedipihilia,torture and murder of children in North America in residential schools by the Christian organisations up till 1986.
ISIS is the most evil you have ever herd of??? OPEN YOUR EYES MAN.

I do not condon what they or anyone else doing that garbage, but they are far, far, far from the only ones.
He who is without sin cast the first stone, that aint us.

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« Reply #53 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 03:16:39 »
" Isis are the most evil, cruel, sick, appalling group of satanic monsters ever, they are truly possessed" well, nice to know how informed you are about "satan".
Are you aware that the western backed government in Kiev just burned alive about 80 people in Odessa? How many people did we kill in Iraq? about 500k children alone?
The list is too long too mention, you seem completely blinded, you completely miss my point, it is PSYCHOPATHS that do this stuff, religion has zero to do with it.
Geez, how "Godly" do you think dropping nuclear bombs on Japan was? The most horrific crime against humanity to have ever taken place, and isis is the most cruel sick evil you have ever herd of? How about the slavery in the states? or the pedipihilia,torture and murder of children in North America in residential schools by the Christian organisations up till 1986.
ISIS is the most evil you have ever herd of??? OPEN YOUR EYES MAN.

I do not condon what they or anyone else doing that garbage, but they are far, far, far from the only ones.
He who is without sin cast the first stone, that aint us.

Maybe you need to open your eyes to their incredible cruelty and the appalling horrors they are committing. Crucifying people, buying them alive, cutting the children's heads off in front of their parents. Raping all the girls of whatever age, killing those who wont convert to their evil religion. They think they are doing it in the name of Allah, but they are merely following satan, their leader.

God chose Israel, whether you like it or not, and Israel is his chosen land, and The Jews are His chosen people. He curses those who who curse them ans blesses those who bless them. Its your choice. God will never let Israel be destroyed, he will step in in the last days to destroy her enemies.

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« Reply #54 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 05:47:28 »

Just a note, the genocide that Moses did is entirely acceptable to the Christians, he too said convert or die and enslaved the young girls, this is exactly what isis is doing today.
What Moses did is ok because God said it was, are the members of isis doing it today because they are told
God says its ok?



Can you point me to where Moses committed genocide and forced conversion on people, with failure to convert a consequence of death?

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« Reply #55 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 09:31:59 »

He who is without sin cast the first stone, that aint us.

So stop casting stones towards Israel.

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« Reply #56 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 11:19:12 »
I need to open my eyes to the cruelty of isis?

I told you I don't condone that, how is it you don't comment on us dropping  nuclear bombs (the most heinous  act in history known to man)
or we Christians raping, torturing and murdering our children until 1986? Do you honestly not see the similarity between they and us?
You guys sure like to see things from one side.

Point to you where Moses committed the genocide?

He killed everyone in the cities, except for the girls for slaves.
Who did they go back worshipping when he left?
Why do you think he killed them In the first place? Had something to do with who they worshipped, no?
If you need archeological evidence try Merlin Stone.

Stop casting stones at Israel?
I guess things havnt changed since Moses, murder is ok if God says it is? Or for his favoured few?

You are completely missing my point yet again, the people that commit these atrocities are psychopaths,(they are not Jew, Christian or Moslem) they all need to be recognised and stopped, no matter where they are found. None of them are following the teaching of Jesus. (Obviously not Talmidic Jews, as they have Jesus boiling in human excrement for all eternity)
How anyone can support this group is beyond me. But without question there seem to be people here that do.

All I wanted to find out was why the Talmud wasn't included in the bible when the Torah is, I have my answer, (the Talmud is pure sickness)(which actually makes me wonder about the character of those that wrote the Torah)  (maybe my question should have been why is the Torah included).but I found out something else..

In my opinion, you guys need to listen to what Jesus was talking about, I think you guys need to review.

I don't want Israel destroyed, but I sure don't support their  atrocities.
You people seem to support Israel no matter how many people they murder and torture.
But I gotta tell ya, there is a difference between Israel and murder. At least I hope so.


Try understanding what Jesus talked about, some of you might find what he said to be a real eye opener.

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« Reply #57 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 11:23:02 »
I need to open my eyes to the cruelty of isis?

I told you I don't condone that, how is it you don't comment on us dropping  nuclear bombs (the most heinous  act in history known to man)
or we Christians raping, torturing and murdering our children until 1986? Do you honestly not see the similarity between they and us?
You guys sure like to see things from one side.

Point to you where Moses committed the genocide?

He killed everyone in the cities, except for the girls for slaves.
Who did they go back worshipping when he left?
Why do you think he killed them In the first place? Had something to do with who they worshipped, no?
If you need archeological evidence try Merlin Stone.

Stop casting stones at Israel?
I guess things havnt changed since Moses, murder is ok if God says it is? Or for his favoured few?

You are completely missing my point yet again, the people that commit these atrocities are psychopaths,(they are not Jew, Christian or Moslem) they all need to be recognised and stopped, no matter where they are found. None of them are following the teaching of Jesus. (Obviously not Talmidic Jews, as they have Jesus boiling in human excrement for all eternity)
How anyone can support this group is beyond me. But without question there seem to be people here that do.

All I wanted to find out was why the Talmud wasn't included in the bible when the Torah is, I have my answer, (the Talmud is pure sickness)(which actually makes me wonder about the character of those that wrote the Torah)  (maybe my question should have been why is the Torah included).but I found out something else..

In my opinion, you guys need to listen to what Jesus was talking about, I think you guys need to review.

I don't want Israel destroyed, but I sure don't support their  atrocities.
You people seem to support Israel no matter how many people they murder and torture.
But I gotta tell ya, there is a difference between Israel and murder. At least I hope so.


Try understanding what Jesus talked about, some of you might find what he said to be a real eye opener.

Do you think Jesus contradicts God?


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« Reply #58 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 18:57:50 »
Jesus contradicting God is a "silly" thought.
But I can say that Jesus is highly unlikely to approve of the 469 children the Isrealis have killed recently. 31 in the last 31 days actualy.
But the Israelis are great in your minds Im sure.

You know, I refuse to call Jesus a teacher. As he was a master of everything he did he wasn't a teacher.
If he was, he was the worst teacher in history, nobody got his point, therefore he wasn't a teacher.

How you guys can call isis sick and not the Israelis is beyond me.

Somebody has done their deceptions vey well. They actually have you people approving of killing children.

Forgive them, they know not what they do.

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« Reply #59 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 21:35:52 »
Jesus contradicting God is a "silly" thought.
But I can say that Jesus is highly unlikely to approve of the 469 children the Isrealis have killed recently. 31 in the last 31 days actualy.

How many Christian children and Jewish children have been slaughtered by those that oppose Israel?


But the Israelis are great in your minds Im sure.

They are God's people.  He said it, I believe it.  Accept it or don't.  Kick and scream and say its not fair, doesn't change a thing.

You know, I refuse to call Jesus a teacher. As he was a master of everything he did he wasn't a teacher.
If he was, he was the worst teacher in history, nobody got his point, therefore he wasn't a teacher.

Who DO you say He is?

How you guys can call isis sick and not the Israelis is beyond me.

Somebody has done their deceptions vey well. They actually have you people approving of killing children.

You are trying to manipulate things again.  The last sentence, is I think, called flame baiting.

Forgive them, they know not what they do.

Yes, I pray God will forgive you too...


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« Reply #60 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 22:10:47 »


2 Torah
 2.1 Contents
 1.1 Genesis
 2.1.2 Exodus
 2.1.3 Leviticus
 2.1.4 Numbers
 2.1.5 Deuteronomy

According to rabbinic tradition, all of the teachings found in the Torah, both written and oral, were given by God to Moses, some of them at Mount Sinai and others at the Tabernacle, and all the teachings were written down by Moses, which resulted in the Torah we have today. According to a Midrash, the Torah was created prior to the creation of the world, and was used as the blueprint for Creation.[3] The majority of Biblical scholars believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian exilic period (c. 600 BCE) and that it was completed by the Persian period (c. 400 BCE).

The Torah, the first five books of the Tanakh, is the Written Torah. When G-d gave the Torah to Moses at Sinai, He gave both a Written and Oral Torah. The Oral Torah was taught by word of mouth for centuries until it was finally written down in a book called the Mishneh. Commentaries on the Mishneh were written down in a book called the Gemara. Together, these books are called the Talmud

The laws of the Talmud originally came from early oral laws. After Rome destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70, the Pharisees and other pious scholars zealously put the oral laws into writing

    Couple lines from the Talmud

Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus’ mother was a whore: “She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.” Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the “uncensored” text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, “Miriam the hairdresser,” had sex with many men.

Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus (“Yeshu” and in footnote #6, Yeshu “the Nazarene”) was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in “hot excrement   


After reading these lines and others in the Talmud I have yet to figure out why you people are so enamoured by the people that wrote it.

Altho it is obvious as to why Jesus had an issue.

I side with Jesus, obviously we all make our own decisions.

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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #61 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 00:03:11 »

I side with Jesus, obviously we all make our own decisions.


Who do you say Jesus is?

You DO realize that HE was a Jew?

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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #62 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 03:55:21 »
Jesus contradicting God is a "silly" thought.
But I can say that Jesus is highly unlikely to approve of the 469 children the Isrealis have killed recently. 31 in the last 31 days actualy.
But the Israelis are great in your minds Im sure.

You know, I refuse to call Jesus a teacher. As he was a master of everything he did he wasn't a teacher.
If he was, he was the worst teacher in history, nobody got his point, therefore he wasn't a teacher.

How you guys can call isis sick and not the Israelis is beyond me.

Somebody has done their deceptions vey well. They actually have you people approving of killing children.

Forgive them, they know not what they do.


 If hamas didnt hide behind children and other civilians then they wouldnt get killed. If they stopped firing their rockets into Israel from those areas then they wouldnt be killed. Maybe you would like to look up and see how many civilians got killed digging those underground tunnels (including children),and how they are now murdering the tunnel diggers so they they cant tell the Israelis where the rest are. Some have been burnt to death. Oh yes lovely people those hammas. They care nothing for their children, all that care about is making the Israelis look bad. Every country has a right to defend itself from outside attack.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/hamas-executes-palestinian-collaborators-tunnel-diggers/
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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #63 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 03:57:25 »
Jesus contradicting God is a "silly" thought.
But I can say that Jesus is highly unlikely to approve of the 469 children the Isrealis have killed recently. 31 in the last 31 days actualy.
But the Israelis are great in your minds Im sure.

You know, I refuse to call Jesus a teacher. As he was a master of everything he did he wasn't a teacher.
If he was, he was the worst teacher in history, nobody got his point, therefore he wasn't a teacher.

How you guys can call isis sick and not the Israelis is beyond me.

Somebody has done their deceptions vey well. They actually have you people approving of killing children.

Forgive them, they know not what they do.

Jesus was the most amazing teacher of all time. After all He is God.

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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #64 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 03:59:40 »


2 Torah
 2.1 Contents
 1.1 Genesis
 2.1.2 Exodus
 2.1.3 Leviticus
 2.1.4 Numbers
 2.1.5 Deuteronomy

According to rabbinic tradition, all of the teachings found in the Torah, both written and oral, were given by God to Moses, some of them at Mount Sinai and others at the Tabernacle, and all the teachings were written down by Moses, which resulted in the Torah we have today. According to a Midrash, the Torah was created prior to the creation of the world, and was used as the blueprint for Creation.[3] The majority of Biblical scholars believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian exilic period (c. 600 BCE) and that it was completed by the Persian period (c. 400 BCE).

The Torah, the first five books of the Tanakh, is the Written Torah. When G-d gave the Torah to Moses at Sinai, He gave both a Written and Oral Torah. The Oral Torah was taught by word of mouth for centuries until it was finally written down in a book called the Mishneh. Commentaries on the Mishneh were written down in a book called the Gemara. Together, these books are called the Talmud

The laws of the Talmud originally came from early oral laws. After Rome destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70, the Pharisees and other pious scholars zealously put the oral laws into writing

    Couple lines from the Talmud

Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus’ mother was a whore: “She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.” Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the “uncensored” text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, “Miriam the hairdresser,” had sex with many men.

Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus (“Yeshu” and in footnote #6, Yeshu “the Nazarene”) was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in “hot excrement   


After reading these lines and others in the Talmud I have yet to figure out why you people are so enamoured by the people that wrote it.

Altho it is obvious as to why Jesus had an issue.

I side with Jesus, obviously we all make our own decisions.


Jesus was a Jew he was born from Jewish descendants, and He also LOVES Israel and its people with a passion. You may not like that, but its true. If people stopped attacking Israel, then they would stop attacking back. Its simple.

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« Reply #65 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 17:03:29 »
Jesus is not a Jew.   That is nonsense.   He came as a Jew to the Jews to fulfill the Law.    His main purpose was to reconcile ALL of mankind.   

If He had human parents in the same manner as mere human beings then He could not be divine.   And He could not have been God Almighty's perfect Lamb sacrifice acceptable to reconcile mankind.

Whose blood ran through His veins?   Which human is responsible for His blood type, a perfect blood?   

Do you believe the Apostle Paul or do you think he was making up stuff?

Gal 3:12  But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."
Gal 3:13  Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"--
Gal 3:14  so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:15  To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified.
Gal 3:16  Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

Where did God's relationship with mankind begin?   Eden or Mt. Sinai?    It's not a trick question.

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« Reply #66 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 17:31:23 »
Jesus is not a Jew.   That is nonsense.   He came as a Jew to the Jews to fulfill the Law.    His main purpose was to reconcile ALL of mankind.   

If He had human parents in the same manner as mere human beings then He could not be divine.   And He could not have been God Almighty's perfect Lamb sacrifice acceptable to reconcile mankind.

Whose blood ran through His veins?   Which human is responsible for His blood type, a perfect blood?   

Do you believe the Apostle Paul or do you think he was making up stuff?

Gal 3:12  But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."
Gal 3:13  Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"--
Gal 3:14  so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:15  To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified.
Gal 3:16  Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

Where did God's relationship with mankind begin?   Eden or Mt. Sinai?    It's not a trick question.

His mother was jewish.

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« Reply #67 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 17:37:14 »
Jesus was the most amazing teacher of all time. After all He is God.

I don't think Jesus was a teacher, for example, watch the movie 12 years a slave, written by the victim.
Notice the Christians using the bible to justify their rape,torture and murder?

In north America we had residential schools run by many different Christian churches.
Rape (pedophilia) torture and murder.

Examples are extremely numerous of this kind. On all continents, I only mentioned North America.

Do you honestly believe these Christians understood what Jesus was talking about?

Jesus was not a teacher, or he would have had his lessons understood.

I prefer the term "speaker" speaker of truth, but if he tried teaching, he wasted his time.

Still totally amazes me you guys defend so vehemently, the people that call the mother of God a whore, and Jesus is boiled in human excrement for all eternity among other things. They make comments you are not even human for petes sake. Do you not understand what these people are saying?



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Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #68 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 17:52:17 »
Jesus was the most amazing teacher of all time. After all He is God.

I don't think Jesus was a teacher, for example, watch the movie 12 years a slave, written by the victim.
Notice the Christians using the bible to justify their rape,torture and murder?

In north America we had residential schools run by many different Christian churches.
Rape (pedophilia) torture and murder.

Examples are extremely numerous of this kind. On all continents, I only mentioned North America.

Do you honestly believe these Christians understood what Jesus was talking about?

Jesus was not a teacher, or he would have had his lessons understood.

I prefer the term "speaker" speaker of truth, but if he tried teaching, he wasted his time.

Still totally amazes me you guys defend so vehemently, the people that call the mother of God a whore, and Jesus is boiled in human excrement for all eternity among other things. They make comments you are not even human for petes sake. Do you not understand what these people are saying?



   

We defend Gods chosen land and people because they are Gods chosen land and people.They want to live in peace but they are not being allowed to. Israel will play a vital part in the end times and God will dramatically save them. I choose not to be cursed by not cursing Israel, and at least they have a democratic govt which is more than most Middle Eastern countries have.
Many Jews are now, and will in the future, recognize Jesus as their savior.

If you dont believe that Jesus was a good teacher, then clearly God isnt a good teachers, which is not possible. Read the gospels and see for yourself, He is the most amazing teacher. Dont blame him for what some evil people have done.

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« Reply #69 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 18:04:01 »
Jesus is not a Jew.   That is nonsense.   He came as a Jew to the Jews to fulfill the Law.    His main purpose was to reconcile ALL of mankind.   

If He had human parents in the same manner as mere human beings then He could not be divine.   And He could not have been God Almighty's perfect Lamb sacrifice acceptable to reconcile mankind.

Whose blood ran through His veins?   Which human is responsible for His blood type, a perfect blood?   

Do you believe the Apostle Paul or do you think he was making up stuff?

Gal 3:12  But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."
Gal 3:13  Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"--
Gal 3:14  so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:15  To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified.
Gal 3:16  Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

Where did God's relationship with mankind begin?   Eden or Mt. Sinai?    It's not a trick question.

His mother was jewish.

I know that.  You're missing the main point to make a minor point.  If He remains a Jew how can Gentiles be a joint heir with Him?   Our emphasis should not be on the flesh but on the Spiritual aspects.  He reconciled ALL of mankind.   

Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3  For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
Rom 8:4  in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:5  For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6  For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
Rom 8:7  For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.
Rom 8:8  Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9  You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Rom 8:10  But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11  If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
Rom 8:12  So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
Rom 8:13  For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 8:14  For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Rom 8:15  For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"
Rom 8:16  The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom 8:17  and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
Rom 8:18  For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
Rom 8:19  For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20  For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope
Rom 8:21  that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
Rom 8:22  For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.
Rom 8:23  And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Rom 8:24  For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees?
Rom 8:25  But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.
Rom 8:26  Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
Rom 8:27  And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
Rom 8:28  And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
Rom 8:29  For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Rom 8:30  And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Rom 8:31  What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
Rom 8:32  He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Rom 8:33  Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
Rom 8:34  Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died--more than that, who was raised--who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Rom 8:35  Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?
Rom 8:36  As it is written, "For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered."
Rom 8:37  No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
Rom 8:38  For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
Rom 8:39  nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jesus is right now the Great High Priest.  Is He a Jewish high priest?   

Heb 7:11  Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12  For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
Heb 7:13  For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar.
Heb 7:14  For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Heb 7:15  This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek,
Heb 7:16  who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life.
Heb 7:17  For it is witnessed of him, "You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek."
Heb 7:18  For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness
Heb 7:19  (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
Heb 7:20  And it was not without an oath. For those who formerly became priests were made such without an oath,
Heb 7:21  but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, 'You are a priest forever.'"
Heb 7:22  This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
Heb 7:23  The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office,
Heb 7:24  but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.
Heb 7:25  Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26  For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.
Heb 7:27  He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28  For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.
 
The Law and Judaism are obsolete.

Heb 8:13  In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.