Author Topic: I have question concerning christian thinking  (Read 4164 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

notreligus

  • Guest
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #70 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 18:19:48 »
Jesus was the most amazing teacher of all time. After all He is God.

I don't think Jesus was a teacher, for example, watch the movie 12 years a slave, written by the victim.
Notice the Christians using the bible to justify their rape,torture and murder?

In north America we had residential schools run by many different Christian churches.
Rape (pedophilia) torture and murder.

Examples are extremely numerous of this kind. On all continents, I only mentioned North America.

Do you honestly believe these Christians understood what Jesus was talking about?

Jesus was not a teacher, or he would have had his lessons understood.

I prefer the term "speaker" speaker of truth, but if he tried teaching, he wasted his time.

Still totally amazes me you guys defend so vehemently, the people that call the mother of God a whore, and Jesus is boiled in human excrement for all eternity among other things. They make comments you are not even human for petes sake. Do you not understand what these people are saying?


"If a Goy hits a Jew, he must be killed."   Ok, that's from the Talmud.   It sounds like a quote from the Qu'ran, right?   Oh, and God made Goys to be slaves of the Jews, right?   

Not all Jews live according to the Talmud.   The majority of Jews don't even agree with the Zionism that is promoted by Christians and other Jews.   

Don't lump all Jews into the same dough.   This all falls under the category of Religion.   This is why I have the screen name I have.   Religion is man-made and it is corrupt and self-serving.   

Christianity is a relationship with Christ.   It must be based on love and trust, not on hate and mistrust.   

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #70 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 18:19:48 »

Offline Alan

  • I AM Canadian!
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8503
  • Manna: 300
  • Gender: Male
  • Politically Incorrect
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #71 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 18:26:56 »


I don't think Jesus was a teacher, for example, watch the movie 12 years a slave, written by the victim.
Notice the Christians using the bible to justify their rape,torture and murder?




Jesus was addressed as teacher 60 times in the NT, He taught the disciples (and many others), that's just what He did.


If the Sermon on the Mount was not an educational session then I think you need to understand what the process entails.


Quote from: maximoose

Still totally amazes me you guys defend so vehemently, the people that call the mother of God a whore, and Jesus is boiled in human excrement for all eternity among other things. They make comments you are not even human for petes sake. Do you not understand what these people are saying?



Of course being amidst the Israelis is a completely different experience than what you are reading in ancient texts. Our Ministry has a "house" on the Sea of Galilee. I've yet to hear a negative report regarding the fellowship and hospitality of the people of Israel. I'm on the waiting list myself to go and spend some time there, I can't wait!
 
« Last Edit: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 18:30:42 by Alan »

Offline DaveW

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15352
  • Manna: 191
  • Gender: Male
  • My grandson Arturus
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #72 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 18:44:51 »
Jesus is not a Jew.   That is nonsense.   He came as a Jew to the Jews to fulfill the Law.   

Then what do you do with these scriptures?

Galatians 4:4  But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

Only Jews were "under the Law."

Hebrews 13:8   Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Revelation 5:5   and one of the elders *said to me, “Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals.”

If you are from the tribe of Judah - you are a Jew.  Period.  And this is the RISEN LORD described as such. 
If He was a Jew back then He is a Jew today.

Offline MeMyself

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15980
  • Manna: 382
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #73 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 19:14:41 »
Still totally amazes me you guys defend so vehemently, the people that call the mother of God a whore, and Jesus is boiled in human excrement for all eternity among other things. They make comments you are not even human for petes sake. Do you not understand what these people are saying?

Yes. That they are lost and in desperate need of their Savior.

What is it exactly you would like to see come of Israel?

Offline maximoose

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 29
  • Manna: 0
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #74 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 20:38:10 »
What would I like to see in Israel?
The same thing I would like to see with isis, or the 2%pedephiles in the Catholic church, and even the people that take us to wars.

An end to the psychopaths, a recognition that they exist and what they do, everywhere they are found.

They should not be givin the power to do the things they do, and religion, all the religions is one of their main tools.

I think people need to understand what Christ was talking about, there is NO justification for killing children.

Wether the murders are backed by the U.S. government in Ukraine,or the Boko Harem(sp) group, the American army the Israelis,isis or anyone else.

It is up to people to stop allowing themselves to be deicieved.

In this community, we have people, God fearing Christians defending the murder of children, think about that, the abuse of children is just wrong, there is no justification for it.

People have to stop being so gullible, until we recognise these psychopaths for what they are, this abuse of people and or environment all over the world will continue.

Really simple, love your neighbour, don't kill them.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #74 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 20:38:10 »



Offline chosenone

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 30930
  • Manna: 538
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #75 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 21:25:02 »
What would I like to see in Israel?
The same thing I would like to see with isis, or the 2%pedephiles in the Catholic church, and even the people that take us to wars.

An end to the psychopaths, a recognition that they exist and what they do, everywhere they are found.

They should not be givin the power to do the things they do, and religion, all the religions is one of their main tools.

I think people need to understand what Christ was talking about, there is NO justification for killing children.

Wether the murders are backed by the U.S. government in Ukraine,or the Boko Harem(sp) group, the American army the Israelis,isis or anyone else.

It is up to people to stop allowing themselves to be deicieved.

In this community, we have people, God fearing Christians defending the murder of children, think about that, the abuse of children is just wrong, there is no justification for it.

People have to stop being so gullible, until we recognise these psychopaths for what they are, this abuse of people and or environment all over the world will continue.

Really simple, love your neighbour, don't kill them.

So you dont believe that a a country, who merely wants to live in peace, should be able to defend itself from hundreds and hundreds of rockets fired at it every week? How about if that was your state in America? Hammas use children, they hide behind children, they kill their own children, they care nothing for their children. If they stopped their aggression and attacks, then Israel would have no need for theirs. 
What started this latest trouble was the kidnapping and murder of three Jewish children, maybe you have forgotton that?
Maybe my country should have just 'loved' Hitler and the Nazis, and let them just invade and take over all of Europe? Great idea.   ::frown::
« Last Edit: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 21:30:14 by chosenone »

Offline Jaime

  • (Pronounced Hi-Me, not Ja-Me)
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 36943
  • Manna: 787
  • Gender: Male
  • I AM A DEPLORABLE
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #76 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 21:32:32 »
If the ArAbs disarm, peace would breakout. if Israel disarms, then no Israel. The Arabs do not want peace. arafat proved that. When he got virtually everything he wanted from the peace accord offered by Bill Clinton, it scared the crap out of him, because he knows that an Arab that makes peace with Israel will meet the same fate as Anwar Sadat did in 1980 after signing the peace brokered by Jimmy Carter. The Arabs desire for the scab not to heal but to be forever open and festering. It's the neverending battle of Jacob and Esau. Also flavored by the descendants of the Donkey of a man Ishmael.
« Last Edit: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 21:34:39 by Jaime »

Offline MeMyself

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15980
  • Manna: 382
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #77 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 22:09:14 »
What would I like to see in Israel?
The same thing I would like to see with isis, or the 2%pedephiles in the Catholic church, and even the people that take us to wars.

An end to the psychopaths, a recognition that they exist and what they do, everywhere they are found.

They should not be givin the power to do the things they do, and religion, all the religions is one of their main tools.

I think people need to understand what Christ was talking about, there is NO justification for killing children.

Wether the murders are backed by the U.S. government in Ukraine,or the Boko Harem(sp) group, the American army the Israelis,isis or anyone else.

It is up to people to stop allowing themselves to be deicieved.

In this community, we have people, God fearing Christians defending the murder of children, think about that, the abuse of children is just wrong, there is no justification for it.

People have to stop being so gullible, until we recognise these psychopaths for what they are, this abuse of people and or environment all over the world will continue.

Really simple, love your neighbour, don't kill them.

If world peace is your goal...heaven on earth really...WHY are you targeting and calling out Israel? The ONLY time you've mentioned any other wrong doers is when pressed.

Also, I didn't ask what you'd like to see IN Israel, but what would you like to happen to them, these people you rail against?

Offline MeMyself

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15980
  • Manna: 382
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #78 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 22:10:48 »
The Arabs desire for the scab not to heal but to be forever open and festering.

They want Israel to be destroyed, the people wiped out. Peace to them means no more Jewish people, let alone nation.

Offline maximoose

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 29
  • Manna: 0
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #79 on: Mon Aug 25, 2014 - 23:09:27 »
I mention Israel and only others when pressed. Probobly  seems that way.

I began this asking why the Torah is  included in the bible and not the Talmud.
I read a bit and had my answer, because the Jews that wrote it believe that worshipping Jesus is idoltry.
They also have many disgusting beliefs such as rapeing children under 3 is just fine.
 I believe I posted the history of the Torah and Talmud to show the relationship.

I mentioned the new covenant Jesus gives us, the issue he had with these people, obviously he didn't approve.

People here are jumping to the defense of these people, even when I mention we and Isreal have been supporting the destruction of Christians and Christian holy sites.

I explained that the people that do these things are psychopaths, still they are defended.

I explained there is no justification for the killing or abuse of children, but these acts remain defended.

This reminds me yet again that Jesus spoke truth,  we are a generation of hypocrites.

From 1948 the Isralis have killed more than 700 thousand arabs, this is genocide. Before then, jews lived in peace with arabs.

The Zionists are doing this, they are as evil as isis. Iran for example stated they wanted an end to the Zionists, this was twisted to mean that Israel was to be swept from the map. The Iranians never wanted anything of the kind.
Google, New York Jews hugging Ahmadimejad  They thank him for his patience.

In any case, it is psychopaths that use religion to forment these actions.
Geez, I posted statements by Israeli prime ministers that prove their intentions of genocide.

I am afraid, I am beginning to believe that Christians here have been too steeped in propaganda to see truth any more, they are not reasoning, they miss what Jesus was talking about due to a darkness within them coming from bainwashing. Its the only answer I can come up with.

I will never understand how people can justify the murder of children.

Why do I insist on talking of Isreal? I wasn't, I only asked why the Talmud wasn't included in the bible.

Interesting tho, no one addressed the resedential schools or the Christians using the bible to justify the torture of slaves.

Guess those people don't count, but at least the pope has admitted that 2% of his priests are pedophiles, that's a start.

The Talmud is sickness, the people that wrote it despise you, you are animals to them, you are not  human.
They wag the dog in the U.S. and  people here defend them with ardent ignorance.
Neat to see how well propaganda and brainwashing works really.

Only thing I can say about it, is focus on what Jesus talked about, but I really don't think people here have that ability anymore. Sad really.

Offline chosenone

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 30930
  • Manna: 538
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #80 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 03:21:35 »
I mention Israel and only others when pressed. Probobly  seems that way.

I began this asking why the Torah is  included in the bible and not the Talmud.
I read a bit and had my answer, because the Jews that wrote it believe that worshipping Jesus is idoltry.
They also have many disgusting beliefs such as rapeing children under 3 is just fine.
 I believe I posted the history of the Torah and Talmud to show the relationship.

I mentioned the new covenant Jesus gives us, the issue he had with these people, obviously he didn't approve.

People here are jumping to the defense of these people, even when I mention we and Isreal have been supporting the destruction of Christians and Christian holy sites.

I explained that the people that do these things are psychopaths, still they are defended.

I explained there is no justification for the killing or abuse of children, but these acts remain defended.

This reminds me yet again that Jesus spoke truth,  we are a generation of hypocrites.

From 1948 the Isralis have killed more than 700 thousand arabs, this is genocide. Before then, jews lived in peace with arabs.

The Zionists are doing this, they are as evil as isis. Iran for example stated they wanted an end to the Zionists, this was twisted to mean that Israel was to be swept from the map. The Iranians never wanted anything of the kind.
Google, New York Jews hugging Ahmadimejad  They thank him for his patience.

In any case, it is psychopaths that use religion to forment these actions.
Geez, I posted statements by Israeli prime ministers that prove their intentions of genocide.

I am afraid, I am beginning to believe that Christians here have been too steeped in propaganda to see truth any more, they are not reasoning, they miss what Jesus was talking about due to a darkness within them coming from bainwashing. Its the only answer I can come up with.

I will never understand how people can justify the murder of children.

Why do I insist on talking of Isreal? I wasn't, I only asked why the Talmud wasn't included in the bible.

Interesting tho, no one addressed the resedential schools or the Christians using the bible to justify the torture of slaves.

Guess those people don't count, but at least the pope has admitted that 2% of his priests are pedophiles, that's a start.

The Talmud is sickness, the people that wrote it despise you, you are animals to them, you are not  human.
They wag the dog in the U.S. and  people here defend them with ardent ignorance.
Neat to see how well propaganda and brainwashing works really.

Only thing I can say about it, is focus on what Jesus talked about, but I really don't think people here have that ability anymore. Sad really.

Good grief. Its is YOU who are the one who cant see what is happening here and are brainwashed by the terrorist  propaganda.
We have already answered all these points several times.  Jesus(God) loves Israel and its people with a passion, God tells us that He will bless those who bless them, and curse those who curse them.  If you want to follow Jesus, then do what He does, pray for Israel and support them and recognize that they are NOT the aggressors here, they want to live without having to spend night after night in air raid shelters. They are a tiny tiny nation surrounded by massive nations mostly with the aim of wiping them out. I am pleased to be part of a country who supports them, because any country who doesn't will suffer in the end. 

Offline DaveW

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15352
  • Manna: 191
  • Gender: Male
  • My grandson Arturus
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #81 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 05:33:17 »
Maximoose - since you are asking about the Talmud(s) (did you know there is more than one?) and you want to cherry pick a few passages here and there - I would submit that you know very little of that set of documents and before you start hammering it the way you do; that you actually try to learn what it is all about.

That said, what I am asking is a daunting task.  The Babylonian Talmud is larger than the print version of Encyclopedia Brittanica. Artscroll publishes the Babylonian Talmud in 73 full size books. Their version of the Jerusalem Talmud is 28 volumes and they are not done.  It will probably end up somewhere about 40-50 volumes. Then there is the Gemara which is a set of commentaries on the Babylonian Talmud which is about 15 volumes.  And then we come to the Mishnah which predates the Talmuds proper by 2-300 years. (published circa 200 ad) and served as an outline or table of contents for both the Talmuds proper.  I own a one volume edition of that.  There were literally hundreds of authors over 4 centuries who contributed to the Talmuds.    Yes - some were very opposed to the Gospel and Our Lord.  Other authors were more sympathetic. The Mishnah is a very good source of the religious environment during NT times.


Babylonian T:  http://www.artscroll.com/Categories/TAL.html 
Jerusalem T:   http://www.artscroll.com/Categories/YRT.html

Offline Jaime

  • (Pronounced Hi-Me, not Ja-Me)
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 36943
  • Manna: 787
  • Gender: Male
  • I AM A DEPLORABLE
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #82 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 06:00:42 »
Maximoose, I would leave rhis dastardly place if I were you.

notreligus

  • Guest
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #83 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 07:35:00 »
I mention Israel and only others when pressed. Probobly  seems that way.

I began this asking why the Torah is  included in the bible and not the Talmud.
I read a bit and had my answer, because the Jews that wrote it believe that worshipping Jesus is idoltry.
They also have many disgusting beliefs such as rapeing children under 3 is just fine.
 I believe I posted the history of the Torah and Talmud to show the relationship.

I mentioned the new covenant Jesus gives us, the issue he had with these people, obviously he didn't approve.

People here are jumping to the defense of these people, even when I mention we and Isreal have been supporting the destruction of Christians and Christian holy sites.

I explained that the people that do these things are psychopaths, still they are defended.

I explained there is no justification for the killing or abuse of children, but these acts remain defended.

This reminds me yet again that Jesus spoke truth,  we are a generation of hypocrites.

From 1948 the Isralis have killed more than 700 thousand arabs, this is genocide. Before then, jews lived in peace with arabs.

The Zionists are doing this, they are as evil as isis. Iran for example stated they wanted an end to the Zionists, this was twisted to mean that Israel was to be swept from the map. The Iranians never wanted anything of the kind.
Google, New York Jews hugging Ahmadimejad  They thank him for his patience.

In any case, it is psychopaths that use religion to forment these actions.
Geez, I posted statements by Israeli prime ministers that prove their intentions of genocide.

I am afraid, I am beginning to believe that Christians here have been too steeped in propaganda to see truth any more, they are not reasoning, they miss what Jesus was talking about due to a darkness within them coming from bainwashing. Its the only answer I can come up with.

I will never understand how people can justify the murder of children.

Why do I insist on talking of Isreal? I wasn't, I only asked why the Talmud wasn't included in the bible.

Interesting tho, no one addressed the resedential schools or the Christians using the bible to justify the torture of slaves.

Guess those people don't count, but at least the pope has admitted that 2% of his priests are pedophiles, that's a start.

The Talmud is sickness, the people that wrote it despise you, you are animals to them, you are not  human.
They wag the dog in the U.S. and  people here defend them with ardent ignorance.
Neat to see how well propaganda and brainwashing works really.

Only thing I can say about it, is focus on what Jesus talked about, but I really don't think people here have that ability anymore. Sad really.

If I may ask, which version/edition of the Talmud are you using as your reference?

There is a Schottenstein edition of the Talmud which is translated into English and is 73 volumes!   The cost is $1900.00 from Amazon.   I was aware of the Talmud, and I was aware of the attitude of the hard-line Orthodox Jews toward Christians, but frankly, I was not aware that the writings contained within the complete Talmud are so extensive.   Apparently the writings were compiled up to 800 A.D., but I am not certain about that.   Many of the statements made about Christ and Christianity are, in my view, pornographic and cannot be stated here.   I believe that the most modern versions  have been "sanitized."   Frequently anyone who brings up such things is labeled as anti-Semitic, but the facts are the facts.   Just as Christians have the volumes of writings by the early church fathers which are widely considered and quoted, the Jews have the Rabbinic writings which have influenced their beliefs and attitudes.  It's not all good and it has influenced many of them to hate Christ and Christians.   

notreligus

  • Guest
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #84 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 07:44:17 »
Maximoose - since you are asking about the Talmud(s) (did you know there is more than one?) and you want to cherry pick a few passages here and there - I would submit that you know very little of that set of documents and before you start hammering it the way you do; that you actually try to learn what it is all about.

That said, what I am asking is a daunting task.  The Babylonian Talmud is larger than the print version of Encyclopedia Brittanica. Artscroll publishes the Babylonian Talmud in 73 full size books. Their version of the Jerusalem Talmud is 28 volumes and they are not done.  It will probably end up somewhere about 40-50 volumes. Then there is the Gemara which is a set of commentaries on the Babylonian Talmud which is about 15 volumes.  And then we come to the Mishnah which predates the Talmuds proper by 2-300 years. (published circa 200 ad) and served as an outline or table of contents for both the Talmuds proper.  I own a one volume edition of that.  There were literally hundreds of authors over 4 centuries who contributed to the Talmuds.    Yes - some were very opposed to the Gospel and Our Lord.  Other authors were more sympathetic. The Mishnah is a very good source of the religious environment during NT times.


Babylonian T:  http://www.artscroll.com/Categories/TAL.html 
Jerusalem T:   http://www.artscroll.com/Categories/YRT.html


Would you really want the statements made against Christ and the Goyim to be presented here?   As I said in another post, I have read some of them and find them pornographic.   They are as harsh toward Believers as are some of the hatred expressed in the Qu'Ran.  While I don't believe the baby should be thrown out with the bathwater I don't believe we should falsely sanitize Rabbinic Judaism.   Many are quick to point out the anti-Semitism of Martin Luther but they don't want to recognize the anti-Christian sentiment on the part of some Jews.   

I just ordered the Babylonian Talmud (37 volumes) on CD.   

Offline DaveW

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15352
  • Manna: 191
  • Gender: Male
  • My grandson Arturus
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #85 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 08:03:24 »
I just ordered the Babylonian Talmud (37 volumes) on CD. 

Well, you know what you are getting into.  I find the Talmuds a mixed bag and would not buy an entire set. 

I do own the Mishnah (Jacob Neusner's translation) and would strongly suggest anyone getting into Rabbinic writings start there.  The break down is the same (tractates and section numbers) so it becomes much more easy to find things in the Talmuds if you look it up first in the Mishnah. There is much less of the anti-christian stuff and a lot less "fluff."  That said there are some interesting historical stories in the Talmuds that are not found elsewhere.

Offline Jaime

  • (Pronounced Hi-Me, not Ja-Me)
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 36943
  • Manna: 787
  • Gender: Male
  • I AM A DEPLORABLE
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #86 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 08:29:26 »
Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Offline DaveW

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15352
  • Manna: 191
  • Gender: Male
  • My grandson Arturus
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #87 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 08:36:52 »
If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Actually probably not, or at least not for long.

Following WW2 Derek Prince was in England (a relatively new believer) during the UN negotiations that eventually led to the state of Israel being formed; and was asked by one of his collegues if he thought giving the Jews a homeland was the answer to antisemitism.

Prince responded "If antisemetism is a human problem, then yes.  But if it is a spiritual problem it will make it worse."   I think history has borne out that it is a spiritual problem. So even if the Arabs want and sacrifice for peace, it cannot last until the spiritual issue is settled.

Offline MeMyself

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15980
  • Manna: 382
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #88 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 08:37:38 »
Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Amen! Good post!

notreligus

  • Guest
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #89 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 15:08:59 »
Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

I think you're making that comment in reference to me, but I think I speak for myself very adequately.   

You are misrepresenting me greatly.  Is your memory so short that you don't remember that it is I who posted about the Messianists?   Is it not I who posted about the secular Jews vs. the Orthodox views?   Yes, I posted these things; you never have.   Do you care about your witness?

What are your thoughts on a statement that goes like this:   "Jesus should boiled in his own semen."   Or, "If you take something that belongs to a goy you do not have to return it."   

notreligus

  • Guest
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #90 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 15:11:17 »
Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Amen! Good post!

So, you've misrepresented me too.   Thanks.   


I think my time at this forum is about up.   

Offline MeMyself

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15980
  • Manna: 382
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #91 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 15:22:02 »
Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Amen! Good post!

So, you've misrepresented me too.   Thanks.   


I think my time at this forum is about up.   

What.in.the.world???

I didn't see Jaime was quoting you. I commented on his comment that had no one quoted.  He was sharing his opinions and I agree with them...it had nothing to do with you.  I didn't mention you, your name is no where near Jaime's post that I agree with, perhaps you are taking this way too personally. I certainly wasn't even *thinking* of you when I said Amen.

Offline Jaime

  • (Pronounced Hi-Me, not Ja-Me)
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 36943
  • Manna: 787
  • Gender: Male
  • I AM A DEPLORABLE
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #92 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 19:06:08 »
Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

I think you're making that comment in reference to me, but I think I speak for myself very adequately.   

You are misrepresenting me greatly.  Is your memory so short that you don't remember that it is I who posted about the Messianists?   Is it not I who posted about the secular Jews vs. the Orthodox views?   Yes, I posted these things; you never have.   Do you care about your witness?

What are your thoughts on a statement that goes like this:   "Jesus should boiled in his own semen."   Or, "If you take something that belongs to a goy you do not have to return it."   

I intended my post to Maximoose. I understand your position and was not taking issue with you UNLESS you WERE equating the Jews with the terrorists.

Offline Jaime

  • (Pronounced Hi-Me, not Ja-Me)
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 36943
  • Manna: 787
  • Gender: Male
  • I AM A DEPLORABLE
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #93 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 19:43:27 »
Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Amen! Good post!

So, you've misrepresented me too.   Thanks.   


I think my time at this forum is about up.   

What.in.the.world???

I didn't see Jaime was quoting you. I commented on his comment that had no one quoted.  He was sharing his opinions and I agree with them...it had nothing to do with you.  I didn't mention you, your name is no where near Jaime's post that I agree with, perhaps you are taking this way too personally. I certainly wasn't even *thinking* of you when I said Amen.

Neither was I Memyself. Maximoose was my total focus, I probably should have addressed it to him by name.

Offline MeMyself

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15980
  • Manna: 382
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #94 on: Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 21:05:15 »
Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Amen! Good post!

So, you've misrepresented me too.   Thanks.   


I think my time at this forum is about up.   

What.in.the.world???

I didn't see Jaime was quoting you. I commented on his comment that had no one quoted.  He was sharing his opinions and I agree with them...it had nothing to do with you.  I didn't mention you, your name is no where near Jaime's post that I agree with, perhaps you are taking this way too personally. I certainly wasn't even *thinking* of you when I said Amen.

Neither was I Memyself. Maximoose was my total focus, I probably should have addressed it to him by name.

I thought that is whose points your post was addressing...sorry there has been this misunderstanding. :(

notreligus

  • Guest
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #95 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 09:30:30 »
For the record....

I stated that the language of the Talmud is just as harsh as the language in the Qu'Ran.   That is a fact.   I hope I am not challenged to quote more ungodly statements from the Talmud.

It was stated by another person here that I compared Jews who use the Talmud (which is pretty much most of them except for those who use the Torah-only, but that is a completely different discussion) to Islamic extremists.   That is a fabrication and I never said that and never would.   If you don't like something I say, that's fine.   Criticism is part of a discussion board.  BUT, I greatly resent it when people make up their own facts.  That's just dishonest.   

Offline MeMyself

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15980
  • Manna: 382
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #96 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 09:32:41 »
For the record....

I stated that the language of the Talmud is just as harsh as the language in the Qu'Ran.   That is a fact.   I hope I am not challenged to quote more ungodly statements from the Talmud.

It was stated by another person here that I compared Jews who use the Talmud (which is pretty much most of them except for those who use the Torah-only, but that is a completely different discussion) to Islamic extremists.   That is a fabrication and I never said that and never would.   If you don't like something I say, that's fine.   Criticism is part of a discussion board.  BUT, I greatly resent it when people make up their own facts.  That's just dishonest.   

No notice that Jaime and I said we weren't addressing anything you'd posted?


Offline Jaime

  • (Pronounced Hi-Me, not Ja-Me)
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 36943
  • Manna: 787
  • Gender: Male
  • I AM A DEPLORABLE
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #97 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 11:12:06 »
For the record....

I stated that the language of the Talmud is just as harsh as the language in the Qu'Ran.   That is a fact.   I hope I am not challenged to quote more ungodly statements from the Talmud.

It was stated by another person here that I compared Jews who use the Talmud (which is pretty much most of them except for those who use the Torah-only, but that is a completely different discussion) to Islamic extremists.   That is a fabrication and I never said that and never would.   If you don't like something I say, that's fine.   Criticism is part of a discussion board.  BUT, I greatly resent it when people make up their own facts.  That's just dishonest.   

No clarification for the record needed, but appreciated. I didn't dislike anything you said and wasn't dishonest because I wasn't addressing you. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. Maximoose was who I intended my remarks for.

Offline maximoose

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 29
  • Manna: 0
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #98 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 19:07:14 »
"Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel." "Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat... That is why gentiles were created..."
- Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, Former Chief Rabbi of Israel

Offline MeMyself

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15980
  • Manna: 382
  • Gender: Female
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #99 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 19:26:51 »
"Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel." "Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat... That is why gentiles were created..."
- Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, Former Chief Rabbi of Israel

And? People say crazy things all the time...should we condemn all peoples then?

Our very own president says and does things I find offensive sometimes...
« Last Edit: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 20:10:14 by MeMyself »

Offline OldDad

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6505
  • Manna: 253
  • Gender: Male
  • Ol' Skool
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #100 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 19:29:52 »
The former chief rabbi of Israel is hardly a crazy person in the street...

Offline maximoose

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 29
  • Manna: 0
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #101 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 23:04:08 »
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

Offline maximoose

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 29
  • Manna: 0
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #102 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 23:07:04 »
People say crazy things all the time

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

Offline maximoose

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 29
  • Manna: 0
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #103 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 23:08:55 »
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

Offline maximoose

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 29
  • Manna: 0
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
Re: I have question concerning christian thinking
« Reply #104 on: Wed Aug 27, 2014 - 23:10:53 »
"We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).