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Jesus was the most amazing teacher of all time. After all He is God.

I don't think Jesus was a teacher, for example, watch the movie 12 years a slave, written by the victim.
Notice the Christians using the bible to justify their rape,torture and murder?

In north America we had residential schools run by many different Christian churches.
Rape (pedophilia) torture and murder.

Examples are extremely numerous of this kind. On all continents, I only mentioned North America.

Do you honestly believe these Christians understood what Jesus was talking about?

Jesus was not a teacher, or he would have had his lessons understood.

I prefer the term "speaker" speaker of truth, but if he tried teaching, he wasted his time.

Still totally amazes me you guys defend so vehemently, the people that call the mother of God a whore, and Jesus is boiled in human excrement for all eternity among other things. They make comments you are not even human for petes sake. Do you not understand what these people are saying?

Jesus is not a Jew.   That is nonsense.   He came as a Jew to the Jews to fulfill the Law.   

The Arabs desire for the scab not to heal but to be forever open and festering.

I mention Israel and only others when pressed. Probobly  seems that way.

I began this asking why the Torah is  included in the bible and not the Talmud.
I read a bit and had my answer, because the Jews that wrote it believe that worshipping Jesus is idoltry.
They also have many disgusting beliefs such as rapeing children under 3 is just fine.
 I believe I posted the history of the Torah and Talmud to show the relationship.

I mentioned the new covenant Jesus gives us, the issue he had with these people, obviously he didn't approve.

People here are jumping to the defense of these people, even when I mention we and Isreal have been supporting the destruction of Christians and Christian holy sites.

I explained that the people that do these things are psychopaths, still they are defended.

I explained there is no justification for the killing or abuse of children, but these acts remain defended.

This reminds me yet again that Jesus spoke truth,  we are a generation of hypocrites.

From 1948 the Isralis have killed more than 700 thousand arabs, this is genocide. Before then, jews lived in peace with arabs.

The Zionists are doing this, they are as evil as isis. Iran for example stated they wanted an end to the Zionists, this was twisted to mean that Israel was to be swept from the map. The Iranians never wanted anything of the kind.
Google, New York Jews hugging Ahmadimejad  They thank him for his patience.

In any case, it is psychopaths that use religion to forment these actions.
Geez, I posted statements by Israeli prime ministers that prove their intentions of genocide.

I am afraid, I am beginning to believe that Christians here have been too steeped in propaganda to see truth any more, they are not reasoning, they miss what Jesus was talking about due to a darkness within them coming from bainwashing. Its the only answer I can come up with.

I will never understand how people can justify the murder of children.

Why do I insist on talking of Isreal? I wasn't, I only asked why the Talmud wasn't included in the bible.

Interesting tho, no one addressed the resedential schools or the Christians using the bible to justify the torture of slaves.

Guess those people don't count, but at least the pope has admitted that 2% of his priests are pedophiles, that's a start.

The Talmud is sickness, the people that wrote it despise you, you are animals to them, you are not  human.
They wag the dog in the U.S. and  people here defend them with ardent ignorance.
Neat to see how well propaganda and brainwashing works really.

Only thing I can say about it, is focus on what Jesus talked about, but I really don't think people here have that ability anymore. Sad really.

Maximoose - since you are asking about the Talmud(s) (did you know there is more than one?) and you want to cherry pick a few passages here and there - I would submit that you know very little of that set of documents and before you start hammering it the way you do; that you actually try to learn what it is all about.

That said, what I am asking is a daunting task.  The Babylonian Talmud is larger than the print version of Encyclopedia Brittanica. Artscroll publishes the Babylonian Talmud in 73 full size books. Their version of the Jerusalem Talmud is 28 volumes and they are not done.  It will probably end up somewhere about 40-50 volumes. Then there is the Gemara which is a set of commentaries on the Babylonian Talmud which is about 15 volumes.  And then we come to the Mishnah which predates the Talmuds proper by 2-300 years. (published circa 200 ad) and served as an outline or table of contents for both the Talmuds proper.  I own a one volume edition of that.  There were literally hundreds of authors over 4 centuries who contributed to the Talmuds.    Yes - some were very opposed to the Gospel and Our Lord.  Other authors were more sympathetic. The Mishnah is a very good source of the religious environment during NT times.


Babylonian T:  http://www.artscroll.com/Categories/TAL.html 
Jerusalem T:   http://www.artscroll.com/Categories/YRT.html

Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Quote from: Jaime on Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 08:29:26

Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Amen! Good post!

Quote from: Jaime on Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 08:29:26

Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

I think you're making that comment in reference to me, but I think I speak for myself very adequately.   

You are misrepresenting me greatly.  Is your memory so short that you don't remember that it is I who posted about the Messianists?   Is it not I who posted about the secular Jews vs. the Orthodox views?   Yes, I posted these things; you never have.   Do you care about your witness?

What are your thoughts on a statement that goes like this:   "Jesus should boiled in his own semen."   Or, "If you take something that belongs to a goy you do not have to return it."   

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 15:22:02

Quote from: notreligus on Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 15:11:17

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 08:37:38

Quote from: Jaime on Tue Aug 26, 2014 - 08:29:26

Of course the Jews have been anti-Christian and Anti-Jesus. That has been part of their hardening or blindness. I don't defend the Talmuds, any more than I would defend some errant commentator within Christianity. The Jews did have a lot to do with crucifying Christ afterall. But to use the Talmuds to equate the Jews with radical Islamists is way off base. Most Jews today are secular and probably know less about the Talmuds than we do. Christian history itself isn't pristeen, but one must look at the present. If the Arabs wanted peace, would the Middle East have peace? Of course.

Amen! Good post!

So, you've misrepresented me too.   Thanks.   


I think my time at this forum is about up.   

What.in.the.world???

I didn't see Jaime was quoting you. I commented on his comment that had no one quoted.  He was sharing his opinions and I agree with them...it had nothing to do with you.  I didn't mention you, your name is no where near Jaime's post that I agree with, perhaps you are taking this way too personally. I certainly wasn't even *thinking* of you when I said Amen.

Neither was I Memyself. Maximoose was my total focus, I probably should have addressed it to him by name.

For the record....

I stated that the language of the Talmud is just as harsh as the language in the Qu'Ran.   That is a fact.   I hope I am not challenged to quote more ungodly statements from the Talmud.

It was stated by another person here that I compared Jews who use the Talmud (which is pretty much most of them except for those who use the Torah-only, but that is a completely different discussion) to Islamic extremists.   That is a fabrication and I never said that and never would.   If you don't like something I say, that's fine.   Criticism is part of a discussion board.  BUT, I greatly resent it when people make up their own facts.  That's just dishonest.