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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #70 on: Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 00:09:43 »
Look the greatest fear is the fear of exposure.To be uncovered.Adam fled.  but truly where can you hide.Not even in hell a million miles away from him

God is light and truth so really Job feared himself and what was really within him.

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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #71 on: Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 00:18:05 »
Actually this thread has several followers.

Look at the number of hits versus the number of posts.

BUT

So far as the discussion rages on Insight has made many more scripture references than every one else combined and has had more of a case built.

And this whole time he is proving a negative...not a positive.

And yet everyone else cannot seem to muster up any substantive proof that Satan does indeed exist as is commonly believed.

So please use some proofs to substantiate yawl's claims that Satan does indeed exist and exactly how and where and why he is capable of what he does do.

Insight is making more sense than the others in the NON-traditional forum than those from the Traditional Theology forum...

Soooo

Maybe a little less flaming posts and a lot more scholarship is needed...otherwise Insight is going to prove his case and everyone else is going to get modded into silence.

John,

It appears you "may" have scared Thankfull and Gospel away?

Although I would NOT prefer the masses muted into silence, but rather acknowledging the strongest satan passage in the Bible has been thwarted by truth.

I will cease my study here as there is an abundance of study notes, questions and unanswered statements to last Thankfull and Gospel a long time.

In the Spirit of “Myth Busters

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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #72 on: Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 01:35:20 »
Actually this thread has several followers.

Look at the number of hits versus the number of posts.

BUT

So far as the discussion rages on Insight has made many more scripture references than every one else combined and has had more of a case built.

And this whole time he is proving a negative...not a positive.

And yet everyone else cannot seem to muster up any substantive proof that Satan does indeed exist as is commonly believed.

So please use some proofs to substantiate yawl's claims that Satan does indeed exist and exactly how and where and why he is capable of what he does do.

Insight is making more sense than the others in the NON-traditional forum than those from the Traditional Theology forum...

Soooo

Maybe a little less flaming posts and a lot more scholarship is needed...otherwise Insight is going to prove his case and everyone else is going to get modded into silence.

John,

It appears you "may" have scared Thankfull and Gospel away?

Although I would NOT prefer the masses muted into silence, but rather acknowledging the strongest satan passage in the Bible has been thwarted by truth.

I will cease my study here as there is an abundance of study notes, questions and unanswered statements to last Thankfull and Gospel a long time.

In the Spirit of “Myth Busters

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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #73 on: Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 16:01:25 »
When one thinks in his heart "why must I live, I am hopelessly diseased, bring on death!"

Job 3:20 Why is light given to him who is in misery, and life to the bitter of soul, who long for death, but it does not come, and search for it more than hidden treasures; who rejoice exceedingly, and are glad when they can find the grave? Why is light given to a man whose way is hidden, and whom God has hedged in? For the thing I greatly feared has come upon me, and what I dreaded has happened to me.

There was uneasiness in Job’s relationship with God, an uncertainty about His ways. He had ‘heard of Him’, but had not yet ‘seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful’.
 
We know that perfected love casts out fear—because it is based upon actual experience of His goodness and trust in His ways (1 John 4:18).

However, consider the fear of Job in its context.

Before the Law and before the mountain burned with searing fire, God revealed Himself as a consuming fire in the bush.  Israel rarely knew the God of comfort, but as Paul teaches in Heb 12 Israel came to a mountain burning with fire, unapproachable, not to be touched.  Of course, Job coming before the Law had up until Chapter 1 received only blessings and protection from Yahweh, who hedge him about with substance on all sides (both spiritual and physical).  

His diligence as Priest in his family; his offering with prayers pleased Yahweh greatly; however Job understood his Fathers character more than any in the land of the east.  

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

And so Job answered his wife rebuking her of her folly and bringing to light the beautiful balance of God’s character in these words.

What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

So what came upon Job which caused his fear?

Job was deeply aware that a refined character could only be formed through the burning heat of suffering and trial.

Without which no man will see the Lord.

Job had no knowledge of some supernatural make believe demonic being (ridiculous) that exists in the minds of Christians today – Job was not deceived!

Job now knew by experience both "good" and "evil" have their origin and moulding work in God:

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. Isa 47:5

How does Jobs life fit beautifully into Isa 47:5?

He had received prosperity and goodness and came to love the security of that goodness whilst all the time fearing the great evil or severity God could bring upon him at any time.  

So he was able to say “For the thing I greatly feared has come upon me, and what I dreaded has happened to me.

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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #74 on: Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 16:11:22 »
When one thinks in his heart "why must I live, I am hopelessly diseased, bring on death!"

Job 3:20 Why is light given to him who is in misery, and life to the bitter of soul, who long for death, but it does not come, and search for it more than hidden treasures; who rejoice exceedingly, and are glad when they can find the grave? Why is light given to a man whose way is hidden, and whom God has hedged in? For the thing I greatly feared has come upon me, and what I dreaded has happened to me.

There was uneasiness in Job’s relationship with God, an uncertainty about His ways. He had ‘heard of Him’, but had not yet ‘seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful’.
 
We know that perfected love casts out fear—because it is based upon actual experience of His goodness and trust in His ways (1 John 4:18).

However, consider the fear of Job in its context.

Before the Law and before the mountain burned with searing fire, God revealed Himself as a consuming fire in the bush.  Israel rarely knew the God of comfort, but as Paul teaches in Heb 12 Israel came to a mountain burning with fire, unapproachable, not to be touched.  Of course, Job coming before the Law had up until Chapter 1 received only blessings and protection from Yahweh, who hedge him about with substance on all sides (both spiritual and physical).  

His diligence as Priest in his family; his offering with prayers pleased Yahweh greatly; however Job understood his Fathers character more than any in the land of the east.  

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

And so Job answered his wife rebuking her of her folly and bringing to light the beautiful balance of God’s character in these words.

What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

So what came upon Job which caused his fear?

Job was deeply aware that a refined character could only be formed through the burning heat of suffering and trial.

Without which no man will see the Lord.

Job had no knowledge of some supernatural make believe demonic being (ridiculous) that exists in the minds of Christians today – Job was not deceived!

Job now knew by experience both "good" and "evil" have their origin and moulding work in God:

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. Isa 47:5

How does Jobs life fit beautifully into Isa 47:5?

He had received prosperity and goodness and came to love the security of that goodness whilst all the time fearing the great evil or severity God could bring upon him at any time.  

So he was able to say “For the thing I greatly feared has come upon me, and what I dreaded has happened to me.

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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #75 on: Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 21:10:17 »
We have considered Job as “a perfect and upright man, who feared God and eschewed evil,

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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #76 on: Sun Dec 11, 2011 - 05:34:23 »
When Job gave his lamentation his friends gave their replies; they had one theme on their minds and it was not some make believe supernatural being prompting Job, but rather these claims went to Job’s very person.

Job was suffering; therefore he must be a sinner.

According to their understanding of God’s ways, prosperity or affliction in this life is in direct proportion to our righteousness or our sinfulness. Their premise proceeded from the theory of exact retribution and was based on a syllogism—two premises and a conclusion that follows necessarily from them:

E.g.

1.   All suffering is the punishment of sin.

2.   Job was a great sufferer.

3.   Therefore, Job was a great sinner.

But their first premise was false—all suffering is not punishment for sin; it may be intended to test and improve a man.

None greater than the Lord Jesus Christ himself himself who suffered all things to learn obedience! though he knew no personal sin.

Insight






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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #77 on: Sun Feb 19, 2012 - 19:30:01 »
When Job gave his lamentation his friends gave their replies; they had one theme on their minds and it was not some make believe supernatural being prompting Job, but rather these claims went to Job’s very person.

Job was suffering; therefore he must be a sinner.

According to their understanding of God’s ways, prosperity or affliction in this life is in direct proportion to our righteousness or our sinfulness. Their premise proceeded from the theory of exact retribution and was based on a syllogism—two premises and a conclusion that follows necessarily from them:

E.g.

1.   All suffering is the punishment of sin.

2.   Job was a great sufferer.

3.   Therefore, Job was a great sinner.

But their first premise was false—all suffering is not punishment for sin; it may be intended to test and improve a man.

None greater than the Lord Jesus Christ himself himself who suffered all things to learn obedience! though he knew no personal sin.

Insight


Yes this was true of the Lord Jesus Christ as he knew no sin though it could be said of him.

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;  (Heb 5:8)

Therefore suffering does not always relate to sin...though it can relate to the affects of sin in the flesh.

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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #78 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 22:15:06 »
Ahhh Brother Roy Styles, Detroit-Royal Oak Ecclesia.
I recognize your work, from the year 2000.

So who are you, Insight?

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Re: JOB — CHASTENING AND PERFECTING A SON OF GOD
« Reply #79 on: Fri Nov 09, 2012 - 02:18:00 »
Chastening of a soul is understood to be holy when infact it's a purification stage before entrance to heaven known as Hades. It's pretty much a hit/ per sin method you have created for your life. Once one has been cleansed of sin, meaning paid their price for their sin, then they were allowed to enter heaven before Jesus Christ showed up. People still got up there before him, although they were tortured by God to get in there. It's kinda changed now since Jesus died for the sins of humanity. God is alot more flexible i would assume now.