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In my Post "20yrs later", you said you use your whole Bible to come to your theological conclusions. When it comes to your belief about circumcision, I highly doubt. Matter of fact, I know your theology on that is wrong. You say it's only for the Jews.

Can you produce Scriptural witnesses from the Tanakh to verify that? We know Paul won't say anything that contradicts Scripture, right? David himself says, the Law is Truth and we know David's theology is in tact. If you can't produce those witnesses, then the viewers and I can rightly conclude that there is leaven in your theology and the only right response from you is to go back and reexamine what Christianity taught you to believe about Paul.

On the other hand, can I produce witnesses from the Tanakh that supports circumcision's validity today and bring Rav Shaul into agreement with it knowing ahead of time that Rav Shaul won't contradict Torah? Sure I can and if I can, you and the viewers will know my theology is correct and yours is inferior. Let me go first....

Circumcision was definitely before the Law. Not only did Avraham and his sons need to be circumcised but if anyone other male was  under the roof of Faithful Avraham , they were to be circumcised too. So, from the beginning and before Law, to be of The Household of Faith and receive the Promise, you had to be circumcised!

Is Yeshua, our Messiah a recipient of the Promise? Yes!! Was He indeed circumcised the Eight day as Commanded to Avraham before Mosaic Law? Yes!! Using good reasoning: According to the criteria, would Christ had been a benefactor if He didn't get circumcised? No!! Did Christ come to us in the form of a Son of Avraham? Yes!!

Is Yeshua Ha'Meshiach THEE model of the NEW MAN and what every New Man after Him SHOULD DO?***RationalMind is thinking, thinking****Yes!! Does Christianity's converts follow that model? A resounding NO!!

And if we can see clearly in practice that Christianity does not follow Christ's model and rejects circumcision, the most acceptable conclusion is CHRISTIANITY IS NOT OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH LIKE IT  CLAIMS!!

Rational Mind,  test everything Christianity says by what is said in the Torah!! And you will never go wrong.

Not enough proof for you, RB? Let's look at my second Witness. I'm going to show you with this next Scripture passage how wrong you are in front of everyone:

Exodus 12:48: And when a [Gentile] shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to the LORD, LET ALL HIS MALES BE CIRCUMCISED, and then let him come near and keep it;....:for NO UNCIRCUMCISED PERSON shall eat thereof

So RB, where did you get that theology of yours? Sure didn't come inspired by God

**Gasp**Wait!! Look at the very next verse!!

Exodus 12:49: ONE LAW shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the [Gentile] that sojourneth among you.

Your theology did not come from the Spirit because the Spirit will not contradict Torah! And if it's not a God inspired theology, then where do you think.... (you can finish that thought)

But I know the Christian mindset. Whatever they can't explain with common sense and good reasoning, they will try and spiritualize it. They will misinterpret the Second Testament verse and say:

"See, circumcision is of the heart. So, we don't have to get physically circumcised anymore".

They say this because Christianity is in large First Testament illiterate!! Do you think I can produce a Scripture to counter that? Let's see:

Ezekiel 44:7: "...No, [Gentile] uncircumcised in HEART, NOR uncircumcised IN FLESH. shall enter my sanctuary,..."

BOOM!! And I haven't even got to the Second Testament, yet. Makes you wonder what Rav Shaul was really teaching, doesn't it? Don't worry that's what I'm here for lol. So far, I've given 3 Witnesses. According to Law that enough to prove something is true but let's go the extra mile. This next verse is easy lol:

Romans 3:1-2: What ADVANTAGE then hath the JEW? Or WHAT PROFIT is there of circumcision? 2) MUCH EVERY WAY....

Does that verse look to you like Paul is teaching against circumcision?!!***sigh***only in Christianity

How bout:

Romans 2:25: FOR CIRCUMCISION VERILY PROFITETH, if though KEEP THE LAW....

Oh, you think I'm cherry-picking? No. I went to the FOUNDATION and built the house on top of it. It's only cherry-picking if I went to the house and used that as the foundation. That's YOUR RELIGION!!

Your theology is taking a beating right now lol. I'll show it no mercy lol:

Romans 4:12: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision ONLY....

DO YOU NOTICE IT'S GIVING TWO SETS OF PEOPLE!!

12)...but WHO ALSO WALK IN THE STEPS of THAT FAITH....

Rational Mind, explain to me on a common sense level how one can claim to be in the steps of Avraham's Faith and not be circumcised when Paul himself says it's profitable if you do it!!

Only in Christianity will you find Rav Shaul saying something he isn't saying. That's how they ended up with 40,000 denominations that can't agree on anything he said and Peter in his letter spoke about that!!

RB, what's your rebuttal lol?

Oh yeah, in Revelation, who does the Dragon go to make war with?

Those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD
AND have the testimony of Christ.

You can walk away from that false religious system called Christianity anytime you're ready lol.



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« Reply #1 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 16:52:21 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

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« Reply #2 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 16:59:42 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

Oh, I'll get to that but you tell me, is Paul double-minded? If not, what is his position on circumcision in your opinion without contradicting Scripture?

If I can do it, you can do it. But you can't do it with Christian theology, can you? Lol.

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 17:02:47 »
Read the scriptures.  They are clear.

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« Reply #4 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 17:04:16 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

Oh, I'll get to that but you tell me, is Paul double-minded? If not, what is his position on circumcision in your opinion without contradicting Scripture?

If I can do it, you can do it. But you can't do it with Christian theology, can you? Lol.

Oh my gosh.  Its not a hill to die on. It is a Romans 14 issue.

His position was, since the Jews they were going to go share the good news of grace with were so steeped in religion, that Timothy should be circumcised so as not to cause them to stumble.  If having the procedure means furthering the gospel of salvation (like it did for Timothy), DO it. If not?  forgedaboutit. ::shrug::

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« Reply #5 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 17:05:57 »
Read the scriptures.  They are clear.

I will and rightly interpret the passages. It's easy for you to say I'm wrong. Let's see if as easy for you as it is for me to explain them. You go first lol.

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 17:11:19 »
Read the scriptures.  They are clear.

I will and rightly interpret the passages. It's easy for you to say I'm wrong. Let's see if as easy for you as it is for me to explain them. You go first lol.

How is it that you are so sure YOU are the one that is right, while all others are wrong?

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 17:28:28 »
Texas Conservative,

Look at Colossians 2:16

It says let no man judge you in [such and such]...In Christianity, they say let no man judge you because you don't do, right? But the Bible isn't a Christian Book. It actually says don't let any man judge you because YOU DO.

Speaking of shadows in verse 17:

We know Creation bears witness to the  glory of God. If the Law is the shadow, the only way you can cast a Shadow is if you are in the light.

Look at this:

Psalms 119:105: Thy [Torah ] is a LAMP into my feet and LIGHT unto my path.

Interpretation:

Proverbs 6:23: For the COMMANDMENT is a LAMP and the LAW IS LIGHT.

BOOM!!

You have no SHADOW UNLESS YOU WALK IN TORAH'S LIGHT!! CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY does away with SHADOWS. And if Christianity has NO SHADOW, then CHRISTIANITY is not in the LIGHT that CHRIST WAS IN

Your Religion greatly errs. This is  Jewish Book, not a Christian one. No, Christianity's light is artificial because it's a false religious system. And if the light they lack is really darkness, how great it is!!
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« Reply #8 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 17:30:23 »
Because I'm measuring the NT in light if the First, like you should. Like Christ told us to do.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 17:41:36 »
Because I'm measuring the NT in light if the First, like you should. Like Christ told us to do.

Why do you assume others don't?

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« Reply #10 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 17:42:20 »
But the Bible isn't a Christian Book.

What?  What is it then? What IS a Christian book?

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« Reply #11 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 18:00:12 »
Texas Conservative,

Now let's look at your Galatians 2 reference:

Verse 15: This is another Christian misconception. Why? Because Christianity won't let you line this up with Scripture. And by the way Scripture is not a letter or an epistle. Just like a John Piper book isn't Scripture. These things are Scripture inspired. No, your bible defines Scripture as the first half of the Bible. Anyway...

So, Christians will use this to unanimously say,"See, the just shall live by Faith!!"

But let's line it up with Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 18:5: But if a man be JUST, and DO that which is LAWFUL....

Rational Mind, King Yeshua proclaimed, "SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN". Did Yeshua live by this verse in His Faith? YES!! So, when Christians point you to that verse, remind them that "The Faith of Jesus Christ" is one of observance to the Law and that's painfully clear on the Gospels!! And how can a Christian live Lawfully when they don't read their Law, let alone acknowledge it?!!

Their false religion does greatly err in that it is a false religious system that requires it's converts to forsake common sense and good reasoning in order to be it's converts.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 18:00:57 »
It's obvious by their replies

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 18:04:24 »
Look at all the authors, they're Hebrew / Jewish.  If it has no Christian authors in it,  then common sense tells you it's not a Christian Book. Easy. If you were an Egyptian author and the contents Egyptian, how will you mistake it for Chinese literature? It's common sense, friend. Far too long Christianity has held you captive against common sense.

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 18:05:01 »
It's obvious by their replies

Oh, you really mean its because they don't agree with you, don't you?

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« Reply #15 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 18:06:24 »
Look at all the authors, they're Hebrew / Jewish.  If it has no Christian authors in it,  then common sense tells you it's not a Christian Book. Easy. If you were an Egyptian author and the contents Egyptian, how will you mistake it for Chinese literature? It's common sense, friend. Far too long Christianity has held you captive against common sense.

This makes no sense.  Christians come in every color, shape, size *and* ethnicity.

That they were Hebrew or Jewish matters not.

What in YOUR mind makes one a Christian?  What right do you have saying that none of the writers were Christians?
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« Reply #16 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 18:21:23 »
It's obvious by their replies

Oh, you really mean its because they don't agree with you, don't you?

No, let the record those are your words, not mine lol

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 18:23:42 »
Look at all the authors, they're Hebrew / Jewish.  If it has no Christian authors in it,  then common sense tells you it's not a Christian Book. Easy. If you were an Egyptian author and the contents Egyptian, how will you mistake it for Chinese literature? It's common sense, friend. Far too long Christianity has held you captive against common sense.

This makes no sense.  Christians come in every color, shape, size *and* ethnicity.

That they were Hebrew or Jewish matters not.

What in YOUR mind makes one a Christian?  What right do you have saying that none of the writers were Christians?

Does Christianity promote living by the Law of Moses? No. Do the Messianics in your Bible promote Mosaic Law? Yes. There's nothing Christian about your Bible.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 18:46:46 »



Why are you trying to censor me? Are you starting to realize your Religion is in trouble and you should've took me serious when I told you I wasn't like the others before me lol.

You have bigger things to worry about because the Ex-Christian coming after me are far more sophisticated and twice as nice.

I invite you to watch Messianic Judaism 101 by Greg Hershberg on YouTube(under Beth Yeshua homepage). And also 119 MINISTRIES - The Pauline Paradox Pts 1&2
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In my Post "20yrs later", you said you use your whole Bible to come to your theological conclusions. When it comes to your belief about circumcision, I highly doubt. Matter of fact, I know your theology on that is wrong. You say it's only for the Jews.

Can you produce Scriptural witnesses from the Tanakh to verify that? We know Paul won't say anything that contradicts Scripture, right? David himself says, the Law is Truth and we know David's theology is in tact. If you can't produce those witnesses, then the viewers and I can rightly conclude that there is leaven in your theology and the only right response from you is to go back and reexamine what Christianity taught you to believe about Paul.

On the other hand, can I produce witnesses from the Tanakh that supports circumcision's validity today and bring Rav Shaul into agreement with it knowing ahead of time that Rav Shaul won't contradict Torah? Sure I can and if I can, you and the viewers will know my theology is correct and yours is inferior. Let me go first....

Circumcision was definitely before the Law. Not only did Avraham and his sons need to be circumcised but if anyone other male was  under the roof of Faithful Avraham , they were to be circumcised too. So, from the beginning and before Law, to be of The Household of Faith and receive the Promise, you had to be circumcised!

Is Yeshua, our Messiah a recipient of the Promise? Yes!! Was He indeed circumcised the Eight day as Commanded to Avraham before Mosaic Law? Yes!! Using good reasoning: According to the criteria, would Christ had been a benefactor if He didn't get circumcised? No!! Did Christ come to us in the form of a Son of Avraham? Yes!!

Is Yeshua Ha'Meshiach THEE model of the NEW MAN and what every New Man after Him SHOULD DO?***RationalMind is thinking, thinking****Yes!! Does Christianity's converts follow that model? A resounding NO!!

And if we can see clearly in practice that Christianity does not follow Christ's model and rejects circumcision, the most acceptable conclusion is CHRISTIANITY IS NOT OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH LIKE IT  CLAIMS!!

Rational Mind,  test everything Christianity says by what is said in the Torah!! And you will never go wrong.

Not enough proof for you, RB? Let's look at my second Witness. I'm going to show you with this next Scripture passage how wrong you are in front of everyone:

Exodus 12:48: And when a [Gentile] shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to the LORD, LET ALL HIS MALES BE CIRCUMCISED, and then let him come near and keep it;....:for NO UNCIRCUMCISED PERSON shall eat thereof

So RB, where did you get that theology of yours? Sure didn't come inspired by God

**Gasp**Wait!! Look at the very next verse!!

Exodus 12:49: ONE LAW shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the [Gentile] that sojourneth among you.

Your theology did not come from the Spirit because the Spirit will not contradict Torah! And if it's not a God inspired theology, then where do you think.... (you can finish that thought)

But I know the Christian mindset. Whatever they can't explain with common sense and good reasoning, they will try and spiritualize it. They will misinterpret the Second Testament verse and say:

"See, circumcision is of the heart. So, we don't have to get physically circumcised anymore".

They say this because Christianity is in large First Testament illiterate!! Do you think I can produce a Scripture to counter that? Let's see:

Ezekiel 44:7: "...No, [Gentile] uncircumcised in HEART, NOR uncircumcised IN FLESH. shall enter my sanctuary,..."

BOOM!! And I haven't even got to the Second Testament, yet. Makes you wonder what Rav Shaul was really teaching, doesn't it? Don't worry that's what I'm here for lol. So far, I've given 3 Witnesses. According to Law that enough to prove something is true but let's go the extra mile. This next verse is easy lol:

Romans 3:1-2: What ADVANTAGE then hath the JEW? Or WHAT PROFIT is there of circumcision? 2) MUCH EVERY WAY....

Does that verse look to you like Paul is teaching against circumcision?!!***sigh***only in Christianity

How bout:

Romans 2:25: FOR CIRCUMCISION VERILY PROFITETH, if though KEEP THE LAW....

Oh, you think I'm cherry-picking? No. I went to the FOUNDATION and built the house on top of it. It's only cherry-picking if I went to the house and used that as the foundation. That's YOUR RELIGION!!

Your theology is taking a beating right now lol. I'll show it no mercy lol:

Romans 4:12: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision ONLY....

DO YOU NOTICE IT'S GIVING TWO SETS OF PEOPLE!!

12)...but WHO ALSO WALK IN THE STEPS of THAT FAITH....

Rational Mind, explain to me on a common sense level how one can claim to be in the steps of Avraham's Faith and not be circumcised when Paul himself says it's profitable if you do it!!

Only in Christianity will you find Rav Shaul saying something he isn't saying. That's how they ended up with 40,000 denominations that can't agree on anything he said and Peter in his letter spoke about that!!

RB, what's your rebuttal lol?

Oh yeah, in Revelation, who does the Dragon go to make war with?

Those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD
AND have the testimony of Christ.

You can walk away from that false religious system called Christianity anytime you're ready lol.
The Tanahk is a book of commentary by rabbis.   Their opinions should not be counted as authoritative.   

The Talmud is a book of rabbinical doctrine considered to be authoritative like the Scriptures.   Much of it is pornographic and is a direct slam against Christ and Christians.   I have posted examples before and because the language is so offensive I'd prefer to not post them again.

The false religious system is Judaism.   It was created after Moses died.    Rabbis promoted their own personal teachings which were not part of the Mosaic constitution with the nation of Israel.   

The Remnant Jews who were saved became part of the Body of Christ.   All Believers are part of one body, the Body of Christ.   The followers of Christ are known as Christians.   

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« Reply #21 on: Sat Dec 05, 2015 - 14:09:03 »
Look at all the authors, they're Hebrew / Jewish.  If it has no Christian authors in it,  then common sense tells you it's not a Christian Book. Easy. If you were an Egyptian author and the contents Egyptian, how will you mistake it for Chinese literature? It's common sense, friend. Far too long Christianity has held you captive against common sense.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Dec 05, 2015 - 19:00:49 »
notreligus,

There is a difference in Judaisms. The religion of Christ was indeed Judaism. He was a Rabbi, wasn't He? Ok, so what other religion in the world will you find Jewish Rabbis?

The Religion of your Bible is in fact Pure Judaism. The Judaism you condemn is Rabbinic Judaism. Yeshua also condemns it because as you see today, Orthodox Judaism pretty much exalts tradition and 'oral law' above the commandments.

The Talmud is pretty much what you said. But the Tanakh is everything in YOUR Bible after Deuteronomy through Malachi.

The Targum is the commentary used in Christ's day. It was like a paraphrased version of Torah and Tanakh for people of different languages to understand. The targum is good insight into understanding the Religious perspective of that day.
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« Reply #23 on: Sat Dec 05, 2015 - 20:26:58 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

Oh, I'll get to that but you tell me, is Paul double-minded? If not, what is his position on circumcision in your opinion without contradicting Scripture?

If I can do it, you can do it. But you can't do it with Christian theology, can you? Lol.
 


Paul clearly says, as we have stated before,  that we do not need to be circumcised, he is very angry with those who are trying to put pressure on the new gentile believers about this.

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« Reply #24 on: Sat Dec 05, 2015 - 20:30:12 »
Texas Conservative,

Now let's look at your Galatians 2 reference:

Verse 15: This is another Christian misconception. Why? Because Christianity won't let you line this up with Scripture. And by the way Scripture is not a letter or an epistle. Just like a John Piper book isn't Scripture. These things are Scripture inspired. No, your bible defines Scripture as the first half of the Bible. Anyway...

So, Christians will use this to unanimously say,"See, the just shall live by Faith!!"

But let's line it up with Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 18:5: But if a man be JUST, and DO that which is LAWFUL....

Rational Mind, King Yeshua proclaimed, "SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN". Did Yeshua live by this verse in His Faith? YES!! So, when Christians point you to that verse, remind them that "The Faith of Jesus Christ" is one of observance to the Law and that's painfully clear on the Gospels!! And how can a Christian live Lawfully when they don't read their Law, let alone acknowledge it?!!

Their false religion does greatly err in that it is a false religious system that requires it's converts to forsake common sense and good reasoning in order to be it's converts.
 

not at all, Christians are the ones WITH the common sense and good reasoning, because we are relying on the death of Jesus Christ to save us, not Jewish rules and rituals of pre Jesus days.

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« Reply #25 on: Sat Dec 05, 2015 - 20:31:50 »
Look at all the authors, they're Hebrew / Jewish.  If it has no Christian authors in it,  then common sense tells you it's not a Christian Book. Easy. If you were an Egyptian author and the contents Egyptian, how will you mistake it for Chinese literature? It's common sense, friend. Far too long Christianity has held you captive against common sense.

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28 There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor free; nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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« Reply #26 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 06:05:39 »
In my Post "20yrs later", you said you use your whole Bible to come to your theological conclusions. When it comes to your belief about circumcision, I highly doubt. Matter of fact, I know your theology on that is wrong. You say it's only for the Jews.
I never said that to you, yet, if you desire to debate this with me, then let us do so. I will do this for you and but mainly for the profit of the sheep of Jesus Christ~to warn you of this:
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Galatians 5:2,3...Reads~ "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law."
I will read you post carefully then respond later, since I have commitments shortly. I will not spend very much time with a blinded legalistic, who rejects Jesus Christ, and free justification through his obedience and righteousness, for their own filthy rags of self righteousness. Later......RB   

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« Reply #27 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 11:41:23 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

Oh, I'll get to that but you tell me, is Paul double-minded? If not, what is his position on circumcision in your opinion without contradicting Scripture?

If I can do it, you can do it. But you can't do it with Christian theology, can you? Lol.
 


Paul clearly says, as we have stated before,  that we do not need to be circumcised, he is very angry with those who are trying to put pressure on the new gentile believers about this.

You know Christianity has no legs to stand on with this and many Ex-Christians have been walking away from that Religion because we notice that Christianity will exalt it's misinterpretations of Paul over not only what the First Testament teaches but also over things Yeshua plainly says. For example:

Matthew 5:19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven;.....

Christianity is that "whosoever" that breaks the least commandments LIKE CIRCUMCISION  and teaches it's converts to do the same--because they misinterpret Rav Shaul. And Rav Shaul plainly says, 'follow me as I follow Christ'. Did Christ teach against circumcision? No! So, why is your religion so bent on lawlessness: that it makes you believe Rav Shaul teaches against it? Time and again, if one would pay attention, they'll notice Christianity theology makes Shaul contradict himself alot. That's a red flag and the very reason why people leave Christianity to embrace the Faith of the historically Jewish Messiah. Let's finish the verse...

19) ...but whosoever shall DO and TEACH them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

You know you are in a false religious system when it's converts claim Christ but DENY HIS VERY PLAIN WORDS in order to uphold it's false teachings. chosenone, you very plainly admitted that your Religion teaches against keeping the least commandments and you're still not convinced you're in a false religious system?

And if that doesn't convince you, tell me: where is Paul getting this teaching from where you don't have to be circumcised? Oh, you want to spiritualize it and say He got it from the Holy Ghost? Hmm...here's the problem with that: The Holy Spirit will not contradict anything in Torah or Tanakh. So, like I've asked you before when I gave you homework, go back to the FOUNDATION/Torah and show where Paul is getting that from. You cant!! It's a false teaching. Christian pride is your problem because now you're at the point where you're denying things plainly written in your Bible just to defend the SYSTEM OF THEOLOGY you embrace.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 11:45:43 »
Well, you better make sure you are following them all exactly perfectly, because, as scripture says, For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. (James 2)  And, its not enough to pat yourself on the back and say, "I am so good! I've never committed adultery or murder,," because Christ upped the anti and made it about not only physical action, but what rages in our hearts.



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« Reply #29 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 11:46:38 »
pride is your problem because now you're at the point where you're denying things plainly written in your Bible just to defend the SYSTEM OF THEOLOGY you embrace.

Funny...this is EXACTLY how you come across.  ::pondering::

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« Reply #30 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 11:54:38 »
Well, you better make sure you are following them all exactly perfectly, because, as scripture says, For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. (James 2)  And, its not enough to pat yourself on the back and say, "I am so good! I've never committed adultery or murder,," because Christ upped the anti and made it about not only physical action, but what rages in our hearts.

He actually didn't up the ante but if you knew your Torah, you can see that people understood the Law to be a heart issue. Doesn't ring a bell? I think there's a guy back there called "A man after God's own heart".

Man, if only you knew the first half of your Bible,  you wouldn't think half the things you think about the second.

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« Reply #31 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 11:57:08 »
Who are you to say that MeMyself doesn't know the Bible? Are you God? God hates pride and arrogance.

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« Reply #32 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 11:59:31 »
Who are you to say that MeMyself doesn't know the Bible? Are you God? God hates pride and arrogance.

I didn't say he doesn't know his bible, but it's very obvious that he doesn't really know the Tanakh.

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« Reply #33 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 12:12:21 »
Well, you better make sure you are following them all exactly perfectly, because, as scripture says, For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. (James 2)  And, its not enough to pat yourself on the back and say, "I am so good! I've never committed adultery or murder,," because Christ upped the anti and made it about not only physical action, but what rages in our hearts.

He actually didn't up the ante but if you knew your Torah, you can see that people understood the Law to be a heart issue.

HA. They did not.  They were shocked when He said it. 


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« Reply #34 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 12:13:44 »
Who are you to say that MeMyself doesn't know the Bible? Are you God? God hates pride and arrogance.

I didn't say he doesn't know his bible, but it's very obvious that he doesn't really know the Tanakh.

Nope. I don't.  Don't need to know the Torah or the Tanakh to know truth.  I have His Word

2 Timothy 3: 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

 

     
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