In my Post "20yrs later", you said you use your whole Bible to come to your theological conclusions. When it comes to your belief about circumcision, I highly doubt. Matter of fact, I know your theology on that is wrong. You say it's only for the Jews.
Can you produce Scriptural witnesses from the Tanakh to verify that? We know Paul won't say anything that contradicts Scripture, right? David himself says, the Law is Truth and we know David's theology is in tact. If you can't produce those witnesses, then the viewers and I can rightly conclude that there is leaven in your theology and the only right response from you is to go back and reexamine what Christianity taught you to believe about Paul.
On the other hand, can I produce witnesses from the Tanakh that supports circumcision's validity today and bring Rav Shaul into agreement with it knowing ahead of time that Rav Shaul won't contradict Torah? Sure I can and if I can, you and the viewers will know my theology is correct and yours is inferior. Let me go first....
Circumcision was definitely before the Law. Not only did Avraham and his sons need to be circumcised but if anyone other male was under the roof of Faithful Avraham , they were to be circumcised too. So, from the beginning and before Law, to be of The Household of Faith and receive the Promise, you had to be circumcised!
Is Yeshua, our Messiah a recipient of the Promise? Yes!! Was He indeed circumcised the Eight day as Commanded to Avraham before Mosaic Law? Yes!! Using good reasoning: According to the criteria, would Christ had been a benefactor if He didn't get circumcised? No!! Did Christ come to us in the form of a Son of Avraham? Yes!!
Is Yeshua Ha'Meshiach THEE model of the NEW MAN and what every New Man after Him SHOULD DO?***RationalMind is thinking, thinking****Yes!! Does Christianity's converts follow that model? A resounding NO!!
And if we can see clearly in practice that Christianity does not follow Christ's model and rejects circumcision, the most acceptable conclusion is CHRISTIANITY IS NOT OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH LIKE IT CLAIMS!!
Rational Mind, test everything Christianity says by what is said in the Torah!! And you will never go wrong.
Not enough proof for you, RB? Let's look at my second Witness. I'm going to show you with this next Scripture passage how wrong you are in front of everyone:
Exodus 12:48: And when a [Gentile] shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to the LORD, LET ALL HIS MALES BE CIRCUMCISED, and then let him come near and keep it;....:for NO UNCIRCUMCISED PERSON shall eat thereof
So RB, where did you get that theology of yours? Sure didn't come inspired by God
**Gasp**Wait!! Look at the very next verse!!
Exodus 12:49: ONE LAW shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the [Gentile] that sojourneth among you.
Your theology did not come from the Spirit because the Spirit will not contradict Torah! And if it's not a God inspired theology, then where do you think.... (you can finish that thought)
But I know the Christian mindset. Whatever they can't explain with common sense and good reasoning, they will try and spiritualize it. They will misinterpret the Second Testament verse and say:
"See, circumcision is of the heart. So, we don't have to get physically circumcised anymore".
They say this because Christianity is in large First Testament illiterate!! Do you think I can produce a Scripture to counter that? Let's see:
Ezekiel 44:7: "...No, [Gentile] uncircumcised in HEART, NOR uncircumcised IN FLESH. shall enter my sanctuary,..."
BOOM!! And I haven't even got to the Second Testament, yet. Makes you wonder what Rav Shaul was really teaching, doesn't it? Don't worry that's what I'm here for lol. So far, I've given 3 Witnesses. According to Law that enough to prove something is true but let's go the extra mile. This next verse is easy lol:
Romans 3:1-2: What ADVANTAGE then hath the JEW? Or WHAT PROFIT is there of circumcision? 2) MUCH EVERY WAY....
Does that verse look to you like Paul is teaching against circumcision?!!***sigh***only in Christianity
Romans 2:25: FOR CIRCUMCISION VERILY PROFITETH, if though KEEP THE LAW....
Oh, you think I'm cherry-picking? No. I went to the FOUNDATION and built the house on top of it. It's only cherry-picking if I went to the house and used that as the foundation. That's YOUR RELIGION!!
Your theology is taking a beating right now lol. I'll show it no mercy lol:
Romans 4:12: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision ONLY....
DO YOU NOTICE IT'S GIVING TWO SETS OF PEOPLE!!
12)...but WHO ALSO WALK IN THE STEPS of THAT FAITH....
Rational Mind, explain to me on a common sense level how one can claim to be in the steps of Avraham's Faith and not be circumcised when Paul himself says it's profitable if you do it!!
Only in Christianity will you find Rav Shaul saying something he isn't saying. That's how they ended up with 40,000 denominations that can't agree on anything he said and Peter in his letter spoke about that!!
RB, what's your rebuttal lol?
Oh yeah, in Revelation, who does the Dragon go to make war with?
Those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND have the testimony of Christ.
You can walk away from that false religious system called Christianity anytime you're ready lol.