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Re: Question for RB
« Reply #35 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 12:42:22 »
Who are you to say that MeMyself doesn't know the Bible? Are you God? God hates pride and arrogance.

I didn't say he doesn't know his bible, but it's very obvious that he doesn't really know the Tanakh.

Nope. I don't.  Don't need to know the Torah or the Tanakh to know truth.  I have His Word

2 Timothy 3: 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

I was hoping someone would finally use that verse. The bible has only one definition for the "Word of God" and it's the Law of God given at the mouth of Moses. Yeshua plainly says:

John 14:21: He that HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM...

Umm...WHAT COMMANDMENTS?!! The Torah!!

Also:

John 14:23: IF A MAN LOVES ME, HE WILL KEEP MY [TORAH]...

Add that to:

John 14:24: ...and the WORD which ye hear IS NOT MINE, BUT THE FATHER'S which sent me.

What is the Father's WORD and where will you find it? IT'S IN THE TORAH!! Christianity will never show you this because if they did, it would contradict Christianity's false teachings of Paul's writings! BOOM!!

2 Timothy 3:16--ALL SCRIPTURE...

Who is this talking? Is he saying his words are Scripture? No!! He's referring to the Torah!! What is the Torah good for? Look:

16) ...FOR INSTRUCTION in RIGHTEOUSNESS:

Wanna know something interesting about the word "instruction"? IT'S THE VERY DEFINITION OF THE WORD "TORAH" lol!! Bet you won't learn that in Sunday school.

This is too easy. What else you got lol?


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« Reply #36 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 13:07:50 »
The commandments Jesus gave like the sermon on the mount

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Re: Question for RB
« Reply #37 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 13:25:44 »
CovK,

I have just one question.     If as you say, the Law is still to be kept and it is the way to salvation, what was the point of Jesus coming here and suffering that horrible death.   It just doesn't make sense to a rational mind.   

In your opinion, what WAS the purpose of Christ's crucifixion?   

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« Reply #38 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 13:44:49 »
Well, you better make sure you are following them all exactly perfectly, because, as scripture says, For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. (James 2)  And, its not enough to pat yourself on the back and say, "I am so good! I've never committed adultery or murder,," because Christ upped the anti and made it about not only physical action, but what rages in our hearts.

He actually didn't up the ante but if you knew your Torah, you can see that people understood the Law to be a heart issue. Doesn't ring a bell? I think there's a guy back there called "A man after God's own heart".

Man, if only you knew the first half of your Bible,  you wouldn't think half the things you think about the second.

you seem to think that christians dont read the OT, we do believe me

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« Reply #39 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 13:46:18 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

Oh, I'll get to that but you tell me, is Paul double-minded? If not, what is his position on circumcision in your opinion without contradicting Scripture?

If I can do it, you can do it. But you can't do it with Christian theology, can you? Lol.
 


Paul clearly says, as we have stated before,  that we do not need to be circumcised, he is very angry with those who are trying to put pressure on the new gentile believers about this.

You know Christianity has no legs to stand on with this and many Ex-Christians have been walking away from that Religion because we notice that Christianity will exalt it's misinterpretations of Paul over not only what the First Testament teaches but also over things Yeshua plainly says. For example:

Matthew 5:19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven;.....

Christianity is that "whosoever" that breaks the least commandments LIKE CIRCUMCISION  and teaches it's converts to do the same--because they misinterpret Rav Shaul. And Rav Shaul plainly says, 'follow me as I follow Christ'. Did Christ teach against circumcision? No! So, why is your religion so bent on lawlessness: that it makes you believe Rav Shaul teaches against it? Time and again, if one would pay attention, they'll notice Christianity theology makes Shaul contradict himself alot. That's a red flag and the very reason why people leave Christianity to embrace the Faith of the historically Jewish Messiah. Let's finish the verse...

19) ...but whosoever shall DO and TEACH them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

You know you are in a false religious system when it's converts claim Christ but DENY HIS VERY PLAIN WORDS in order to uphold it's false teachings. chosenone, you very plainly admitted that your Religion teaches against keeping the least commandments and you're still not convinced you're in a false religious system?

And if that doesn't convince you, tell me: where is Paul getting this teaching from where you don't have to be circumcised? Oh, you want to spiritualize it and say He got it from the Holy Ghost? Hmm...here's the problem with that: The Holy Spirit will not contradict anything in Torah or Tanakh. So, like I've asked you before when I gave you homework, go back to the FOUNDATION/Torah and show where Paul is getting that from. You cant!! It's a false teaching. Christian pride is your problem because now you're at the point where you're denying things plainly written in your Bible just to defend the SYSTEM OF THEOLOGY you embrace.
 

So basically you are saying that what Paul said is lies. 

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Re: Question for RB
« Reply #40 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 13:47:31 »
Who are you to say that MeMyself doesn't know the Bible? Are you God? God hates pride and arrogance.
 

yes He does, especially spiritual pride and arrogance.

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Re: Question for RB
« Reply #41 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 14:47:03 »
CovK,

I have just one question.     If as you say, the Law is still to be kept and it is the way to salvation, what was the point of Jesus coming here and suffering that horrible death.   It just doesn't make sense to a rational mind.   

In your opinion, what WAS the purpose of Christ's crucifixion?   

Simply, the blood of animals couldn't take away sin. So, He offered Himself. He died for the sins of men. He didn't die so you can eat Pork and Pitbulls

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Re: Question for RB
« Reply #42 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 15:03:50 »
Why do you ignore the 1 Timothy verse on to not believe anyone who says not to eat meat?  God allows us to eat meat. To say we can't is a doctrine of devils.

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« Reply #43 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 15:33:23 »
Who are you to say that MeMyself doesn't know the Bible? Are you God? God hates pride and arrogance.

I didn't say he doesn't know his bible, but it's very obvious that he doesn't really know the Tanakh.

Nope. I don't.  Don't need to know the Torah or the Tanakh to know truth.  I have His Word

2 Timothy 3: 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

I was hoping someone would finally use that verse. The bible has only one definition for the "Word of God" and it's the Law of God given at the mouth of Moses. Yeshua plainly says:

John 14:21: He that HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM...

Umm...WHAT COMMANDMENTS?!! The Torah!!

Also:

John 14:23: IF A MAN LOVES ME, HE WILL KEEP MY [TORAH]...

Add that to:

John 14:24: ...and the WORD which ye hear IS NOT MINE, BUT THE FATHER'S which sent me.

What is the Father's WORD and where will you find it? IT'S IN THE TORAH!! Christianity will never show you this because if they did, it would contradict Christianity's false teachings of Paul's writings! BOOM!!

2 Timothy 3:16--ALL SCRIPTURE...

Who is this talking? Is he saying his words are Scripture? No!! He's referring to the Torah!! What is the Torah good for? Look:

16) ...FOR INSTRUCTION in RIGHTEOUSNESS:

Wanna know something interesting about the word "instruction"? IT'S THE VERY DEFINITION OF THE WORD "TORAH" lol!! Bet you won't learn that in Sunday school.

This is too easy. What else you got lol?

Do you think you are earning yourself brownie points here?  You aren't.

I am not Jewish, I read the Bible.  It has the old and new testament, which is what I learn from and know.

This is not a competition. 

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Re: Question for RB
« Reply #44 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 15:37:00 »
Why do you ignore the 1 Timothy verse on to not believe anyone who says not to eat meat?  God allows us to eat meat. To say we can't is a doctrine of devils.

I didn't say you can't eat meat but the Bible is clear on what meat not to eat. Line your doctrine up with the first half if you can.

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« Reply #45 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 15:41:28 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

Oh, I'll get to that but you tell me, is Paul double-minded? If not, what is his position on circumcision in your opinion without contradicting Scripture?

If I can do it, you can do it. But you can't do it with Christian theology, can you? Lol.
 


Paul clearly says, as we have stated before,  that we do not need to be circumcised, he is very angry with those who are trying to put pressure on the new gentile believers about this.

You know Christianity has no legs to stand on with this and many Ex-Christians have been walking away from that Religion because we notice that Christianity will exalt it's misinterpretations of Paul over not only what the First Testament teaches but also over things Yeshua plainly says. For example:

Matthew 5:19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven;.....

Christianity is that "whosoever" that breaks the least commandments LIKE CIRCUMCISION  and teaches it's converts to do the same--because they misinterpret Rav Shaul. And Rav Shaul plainly says, 'follow me as I follow Christ'. Did Christ teach against circumcision? No! So, why is your religion so bent on lawlessness: that it makes you believe Rav Shaul teaches against it? Time and again, if one would pay attention, they'll notice Christianity theology makes Shaul contradict himself alot. That's a red flag and the very reason why people leave Christianity to embrace the Faith of the historically Jewish Messiah. Let's finish the verse...

19) ...but whosoever shall DO and TEACH them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

You know you are in a false religious system when it's converts claim Christ but DENY HIS VERY PLAIN WORDS in order to uphold it's false teachings. chosenone, you very plainly admitted that your Religion teaches against keeping the least commandments and you're still not convinced you're in a false religious system?

And if that doesn't convince you, tell me: where is Paul getting this teaching from where you don't have to be circumcised? Oh, you want to spiritualize it and say He got it from the Holy Ghost? Hmm...here's the problem with that: The Holy Spirit will not contradict anything in Torah or Tanakh. So, like I've asked you before when I gave you homework, go back to the FOUNDATION/Torah and show where Paul is getting that from. You cant!! It's a false teaching. Christian pride is your problem because now you're at the point where you're denying things plainly written in your Bible just to defend the SYSTEM OF THEOLOGY you embrace.
 

So basically you are saying that what Paul said is lies.

No, I agree with Paul because just like the Biblical Bereans, I tested Paul by Scripture. He checks out. On the other hand so called "Christian Bereans" only measure Paul by Paul and that's how you all have so many denominations that can't agree on anything he says.

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« Reply #46 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 15:43:14 »
Why do you ignore the 1 Timothy verse on to not believe anyone who says not to eat meat?  God allows us to eat meat. To say we can't is a doctrine of devils.

I didn't say you can't eat meat but the Bible is clear on what meat not to eat. Line your doctrine up with the first half if you can.

Romans 14.  Colossians 2:16.

Grow up.  If you want to live by old testament laws and restrictions, do so with grace, but to try and make them salvation issues is way off the mark and takes glory from Christ, where true salvation is found.

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Re: Question for RB
« Reply #47 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 15:48:39 »
CovK,

I have just one question.     If as you say, the Law is still to be kept and it is the way to salvation, what was the point of Jesus coming here and suffering that horrible death.   It just doesn't make sense to a rational mind.   

In your opinion, what WAS the purpose of Christ's crucifixion?   

Simply, the blood of animals couldn't take away sin. So, He offered Himself. He died for the sins of men. He didn't die so you can eat Pork and Pitbulls

God disagrees with you.

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« Reply #48 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 15:51:34 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

Oh, I'll get to that but you tell me, is Paul double-minded? If not, what is his position on circumcision in your opinion without contradicting Scripture?

If I can do it, you can do it. But you can't do it with Christian theology, can you? Lol.
 


Paul clearly says, as we have stated before,  that we do not need to be circumcised, he is very angry with those who are trying to put pressure on the new gentile believers about this.

You know Christianity has no legs to stand on with this and many Ex-Christians have been walking away from that Religion because we notice that Christianity will exalt it's misinterpretations of Paul over not only what the First Testament teaches but also over things Yeshua plainly says. For example:

Matthew 5:19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven;.....

Christianity is that "whosoever" that breaks the least commandments LIKE CIRCUMCISION  and teaches it's converts to do the same--because they misinterpret Rav Shaul. And Rav Shaul plainly says, 'follow me as I follow Christ'. Did Christ teach against circumcision? No! So, why is your religion so bent on lawlessness: that it makes you believe Rav Shaul teaches against it? Time and again, if one would pay attention, they'll notice Christianity theology makes Shaul contradict himself alot. That's a red flag and the very reason why people leave Christianity to embrace the Faith of the historically Jewish Messiah. Let's finish the verse...

19) ...but whosoever shall DO and TEACH them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

You know you are in a false religious system when it's converts claim Christ but DENY HIS VERY PLAIN WORDS in order to uphold it's false teachings. chosenone, you very plainly admitted that your Religion teaches against keeping the least commandments and you're still not convinced you're in a false religious system?

And if that doesn't convince you, tell me: where is Paul getting this teaching from where you don't have to be circumcised? Oh, you want to spiritualize it and say He got it from the Holy Ghost? Hmm...here's the problem with that: The Holy Spirit will not contradict anything in Torah or Tanakh. So, like I've asked you before when I gave you homework, go back to the FOUNDATION/Torah and show where Paul is getting that from. You cant!! It's a false teaching. Christian pride is your problem because now you're at the point where you're denying things plainly written in your Bible just to defend the SYSTEM OF THEOLOGY you embrace.
 

So basically you are saying that what Paul said is lies.

No, I agree with Paul because just like the Biblical Bereans, I tested Paul by Scripture. He checks out. On the other hand so called "Christian Bereans" only measure Paul by Paul and that's how you all have so many denominations that can't agree on anything he says.
 

what He says is pretty clear expecially when he condemns those like who who are still trying to earn their salvation through OT laws and actions such as circumcision.

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Re: Question for RB
« Reply #49 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 16:01:54 »
Why do you ignore the 1 Timothy verse on to not believe anyone who says not to eat meat?  God allows us to eat meat. To say we can't is a doctrine of devils.

I didn't say you can't eat meat but the Bible is clear on what meat not to eat. Line your doctrine up with the first half if you can.

Romans 14.  Colossians 2:16.

Grow up.  If you want to live by old testament laws and restrictions, do so with grace, but to try and make them salvation issues is way off the mark and takes glory from Christ, where true salvation is found.

It's not an issue of if I want to. Did Christ command it, is the question and if you did read your Gospels without Christian bias, you'd see the answer is yes, he does command His followers to keep the Law.

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« Reply #50 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 16:04:42 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

Oh, I'll get to that but you tell me, is Paul double-minded? If not, what is his position on circumcision in your opinion without contradicting Scripture?

If I can do it, you can do it. But you can't do it with Christian theology, can you? Lol.
 


Paul clearly says, as we have stated before,  that we do not need to be circumcised, he is very angry with those who are trying to put pressure on the new gentile believers about this.

You know Christianity has no legs to stand on with this and many Ex-Christians have been walking away from that Religion because we notice that Christianity will exalt it's misinterpretations of Paul over not only what the First Testament teaches but also over things Yeshua plainly says. For example:

Matthew 5:19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven;.....

Christianity is that "whosoever" that breaks the least commandments LIKE CIRCUMCISION  and teaches it's converts to do the same--because they misinterpret Rav Shaul. And Rav Shaul plainly says, 'follow me as I follow Christ'. Did Christ teach against circumcision? No! So, why is your religion so bent on lawlessness: that it makes you believe Rav Shaul teaches against it? Time and again, if one would pay attention, they'll notice Christianity theology makes Shaul contradict himself alot. That's a red flag and the very reason why people leave Christianity to embrace the Faith of the historically Jewish Messiah. Let's finish the verse...

19) ...but whosoever shall DO and TEACH them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

You know you are in a false religious system when it's converts claim Christ but DENY HIS VERY PLAIN WORDS in order to uphold it's false teachings. chosenone, you very plainly admitted that your Religion teaches against keeping the least commandments and you're still not convinced you're in a false religious system?

And if that doesn't convince you, tell me: where is Paul getting this teaching from where you don't have to be circumcised? Oh, you want to spiritualize it and say He got it from the Holy Ghost? Hmm...here's the problem with that: The Holy Spirit will not contradict anything in Torah or Tanakh. So, like I've asked you before when I gave you homework, go back to the FOUNDATION/Torah and show where Paul is getting that from. You cant!! It's a false teaching. Christian pride is your problem because now you're at the point where you're denying things plainly written in your Bible just to defend the SYSTEM OF THEOLOGY you embrace.
 

So basically you are saying that what Paul said is lies.

No, I agree with Paul because just like the Biblical Bereans, I tested Paul by Scripture. He checks out. On the other hand so called "Christian Bereans" only measure Paul by Paul and that's how you all have so many denominations that can't agree on anything he says.
 

what He says is pretty clear expecially when he condemns those like who who are still trying to earn their salvation through OT laws and actions such as circumcision.

Nope, I condemn no man, the same Word of God from the mouth of Moses will judge you at the End. The Judge is going to have a Law to judge with when He returns, right? Or does Christianity not believe that either?

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Re: Question for RB
« Reply #51 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 16:31:06 »
You need to read Colossians 2.  It's very clear.  Galatians 2 as well.  Your covenant position is bull butter.

Oh, I'll get to that but you tell me, is Paul double-minded? If not, what is his position on circumcision in your opinion without contradicting Scripture?

If I can do it, you can do it. But you can't do it with Christian theology, can you? Lol.
 


Paul clearly says, as we have stated before,  that we do not need to be circumcised, he is very angry with those who are trying to put pressure on the new gentile believers about this.

You know Christianity has no legs to stand on with this and many Ex-Christians have been walking away from that Religion because we notice that Christianity will exalt it's misinterpretations of Paul over not only what the First Testament teaches but also over things Yeshua plainly says. For example:

Matthew 5:19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven;.....

Christianity is that "whosoever" that breaks the least commandments LIKE CIRCUMCISION  and teaches it's converts to do the same--because they misinterpret Rav Shaul. And Rav Shaul plainly says, 'follow me as I follow Christ'. Did Christ teach against circumcision? No! So, why is your religion so bent on lawlessness: that it makes you believe Rav Shaul teaches against it? Time and again, if one would pay attention, they'll notice Christianity theology makes Shaul contradict himself alot. That's a red flag and the very reason why people leave Christianity to embrace the Faith of the historically Jewish Messiah. Let's finish the verse...

19) ...but whosoever shall DO and TEACH them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

You know you are in a false religious system when it's converts claim Christ but DENY HIS VERY PLAIN WORDS in order to uphold it's false teachings. chosenone, you very plainly admitted that your Religion teaches against keeping the least commandments and you're still not convinced you're in a false religious system?

And if that doesn't convince you, tell me: where is Paul getting this teaching from where you don't have to be circumcised? Oh, you want to spiritualize it and say He got it from the Holy Ghost? Hmm...here's the problem with that: The Holy Spirit will not contradict anything in Torah or Tanakh. So, like I've asked you before when I gave you homework, go back to the FOUNDATION/Torah and show where Paul is getting that from. You cant!! It's a false teaching. Christian pride is your problem because now you're at the point where you're denying things plainly written in your Bible just to defend the SYSTEM OF THEOLOGY you embrace.
 

So basically you are saying that what Paul said is lies.

No, I agree with Paul because just like the Biblical Bereans, I tested Paul by Scripture. He checks out. On the other hand so called "Christian Bereans" only measure Paul by Paul and that's how you all have so many denominations that can't agree on anything he says.
 

what He says is pretty clear expecially when he condemns those like who who are still trying to earn their salvation through OT laws and actions such as circumcision.

Nope, I condemn no man, the same Word of God from the mouth of Moses will judge you at the End. The Judge is going to have a Law to judge with when He returns, right? Or does Christianity not believe that either?



Pauls words condemn YOU. You are doing exactly as those who Paul condemns were. 

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« Reply #52 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 17:27:25 »
Why do you ignore the 1 Timothy verse on to not believe anyone who says not to eat meat?  God allows us to eat meat. To say we can't is a doctrine of devils.

I didn't say you can't eat meat but the Bible is clear on what meat not to eat. Line your doctrine up with the first half if you can.

Romans 14.  Colossians 2:16.

Grow up.  If you want to live by old testament laws and restrictions, do so with grace, but to try and make them salvation issues is way off the mark and takes glory from Christ, where true salvation is found.

It's not an issue of if I want to. Did Christ command it, is the question and if you did read your Gospels without Christian bias, you'd see the answer is yes, he does command His followers to keep the Law.

and we keep it, if we love the Lord God with all our heart, mind soul and strength and others as ourselves.


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« Reply #53 on: Sun Dec 06, 2015 - 17:38:40 »

Nope, I condemn no man, the same Word of God from the mouth of Moses will judge you at the End.

Why do you limit the Word of God to the minimal amount that He spoke through Moses?

Do you believe that He spoke through Moses alone, but disbelieve when He did it through others?