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The holy spirit that is given today is a new spirit that was first given to the apostles,

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And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36:26 [ESV])

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Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. (Acts 2:2-4 [NIV])
Which was not the same spirit given to the prophets of old, or even Saul, who also received the holy spirit that was given to the prophets of old,

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Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you, and you will prophesy with them and be turned into another man. (1 Samuel 10:6 [ESV])

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When he turned his back to leave Samuel, God gave him another heart. And all these signs came to pass that day. When they came to Gibeah, behold, a group of prophets met him, and the Spirit of God rushed upon him, and he prophesied among them. And when all who knew him previously saw how he prophesied with the prophets, the people said to one another, “What has come over the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?” (1 Samuel 10:9-11 [ESV])
But in contrast, this new spirit now causes a man to be completely obedient to God, which before the spirit did not, and thus fulfill,

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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9 [KJV])

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And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. (Ezekiel 36:27 [ESV])

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Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (Daniel 9:24 [KJV])

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And she shall bear a son, and you shall call  his name Jesus, for he shall deliver his people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21 [ABP])
And as such, whoever receives this new spirit cannot lose him as men who had the spirit before could,

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And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, (Ephesians 1:13 [NIV])

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and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. (2 Corinthians 1:22 [ESV])

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"As for me, this is my covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of your children and on the lips of their descendants--from this time on and forever," says the LORD. (Isaiah 59:21 [NIV])
And as such, this new spirit does not forgive sins,

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but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit shall never have forgiveness but is obligated to eternal judgment,
(Mark 3:29 [JB2000])

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Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God." When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:3-5 [NIV])
Just as the holy spirit that guided the Israelites did not forgive sins either,

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In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. (Isaiah 63:9-10 [NIV])
In which case, as stated in this passage, the holy spirit that guided the Israelites was an angel, as all angels of God are also spirits,

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Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? (Hebrews 1:14 [NIV])
And so, all who are chosen receive a holy spirit, which is an angel of God that has taken the form of spirit to inhabit that believer, hence why each holy spirit within a prophet is subject to their respective prophet each inhabits,

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For spirits of prophets submit to prophets. (I Corinthians 14:32 [ABP])

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #1 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 15:14:54 »
That doesn't sound right.  ::headscratch::

The Holy Spirit is not an angel, and we don't each receive a Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit, He is One, and He is One with God.



All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you,

 and the Spirit of God rushed upon him,

And I will put my Spirit within you,

and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you,

against the Holy Spirit

you have lied to the Holy Spirit




THE Holy Spirit, not A Holy Spirit.






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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #2 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 15:28:49 »
That doesn't sound right.  ::headscratch::

The Holy Spirit is not an angel, and we don't each receive a Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit, He is One, and He is One with God.



All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you,

 and the Spirit of God rushed upon him,

And I will put my Spirit within you,

and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you,

against the Holy Spirit

you have lied to the Holy Spirit




THE Holy Spirit, not A Holy Spirit.

Each of the elect has a holy spirit,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #3 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 16:10:07 »
We all have spirits (lower case s) and at our salvation, we are indwelt with THE Holy Spirit (Capital S), not one of the Holy Spirits.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #4 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 16:12:23 »
No no no no no

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #6 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 16:25:31 »
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

http://biblesforamerica.org/gods-spirit-mingled-with-our-human-spirit/
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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #7 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 16:25:55 »
Carey and Jaime, amen!  So many odd ideas and theories floating around the forum lately.  Glad for folks that stand up and speak the truth of scripture in context!

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #8 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 16:35:51 »
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

http://biblesforamerica.org/gods-spirit-mingled-with-our-human-spirit/
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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #9 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 16:40:24 »
Cgaviria have a look at this

Jesus was baptised and the Holy Spirit came upon him and Father God spoke as well. 3 in one.
Matthew 3
16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He[c] saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

So we have the Spirit of God on Jesus . The Holy Spirit. Not a angel.
Matthew 4New King James Version (NKJV)

Satan Tempts Jesus
4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

So The Holy Spirit leads Jesus here, not a angel because later on it says
11 Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him. So here now angels came and ministered to Jesus. So they had to come to him , where the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God was already with him.
This pattern is the same for us . We are not given a angel but the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God and like Jesus we do have angels as ministers messangers etc etc. Because we dont worship angels or become one with them. The Spirit that has been given to us is God who we are one with.




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« Reply #10 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 16:41:00 »
ok i was in a post then posted before it was due. just finished  12 hrs nightshift so its not complete  ::sleepingsoundly:: ( ok it is now )    ::smile::
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« Reply #11 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 16:42:29 »
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

http://biblesforamerica.org/gods-spirit-mingled-with-our-human-spirit/
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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #12 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 17:31:20 »
Heresy.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #13 on: Fri Oct 07, 2016 - 17:55:54 »
Well this is one of the weirdest ideas we have had here.  ::headscratch::
No we are not inhabited by an angel, but by THE Holy Spirit. He is the same Holy holy Spirit as He was from the beginning.



Ephesians 1:13-14

13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God]. 14 The Spirit is the [a]guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.
 
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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #14 on: Sat Oct 08, 2016 - 02:44:04 »
That doesn't sound right.  ::headscratch::

The Holy Spirit is not an angel, and we don't each receive a Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit, He is One, and He is One with God.



All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you,

 and the Spirit of God rushed upon him,

And I will put my Spirit within you,

and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you,

against the Holy Spirit

you have lied to the Holy Spirit




THE Holy Spirit, not A Holy Spirit.

Each of the elect has a holy spirit,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])


Negative, CG...we do not each have a holy spirit, because there is only one...those of us who are saved and walking in relationship with God have come to partake of the one Holy Spirit...

1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

You are a JW aren't you...



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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #15 on: Sat Oct 08, 2016 - 06:20:50 »
Just a question to the OP. Yeah, mate, if the Holy Spirit were angels, why aren't the terms ruach ha-kodesh and malak elohim synonymous?

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #16 on: Sat Oct 08, 2016 - 06:58:54 »
The holy spirit that is given today is a new spirit that was first given to the apostles,
Note: ALL emphasises are mine in order to expose your  many errors. You are worst than confused~just being confused over certain doctrines, there's a possibility that one could be saved from the error of his/her way, but when one starts a whole new system of teachings, then there's little help for that person, since they believe they have something no else has ever seen. The best that I see, is that you deny that the Spirit of God, who created heaven and earth does not indwell his people, but that each person has a personal angel indwelling him, that enables him to lives sinless, and that this is the new position of each child of God post-Pentecost. Strange indeed, and I really do not know  of a particular group that teaches such a  doctrine.
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Which was not the same spirit given to the prophets of old, or even Saul, who also received the holy spirit that was given to the prophets of old,
So, you think this is something new under the NT~ Correct? Let us see.
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But in contrast, this new spirit now causes a man to be completely obedient to God, which before the spirit did not, and thus fulfill,
The ONLY new spirit under either covenant given to us is when God regenerates his children and removes the stony and rebellious heart and gives them a heart that can love and be obedient unto him, without which, they could never love and follow him. (1st Corinthians 2:12-14). That being said, even with this new heart our regenerated spirit, we still have the flesh to war with, which makes it impossible for us to be completely obedient to God, impossible. Jesus Christ is our mediator between us and God for a reason, and the reason is that the very best of God's children sin daily! And even more than daily, if all are truly honest, and even if they are not honest, then they STILL DO.
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But in contrast, this new spirit now causes a man to be completely obedient to God, which before the spirit did not, and thus fulfill,
Which you gave 1st John 3:9:
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
This scripture from John is really very simple to understand, and the meaning is this: Whosoever is born of God, or, made a new creation by God's grace through Jesus Christ being made a propitiation for their sins, in due time the Spirit of God creates WITHIN THEM a new creature, which AFTER God is created in TRUE holiness and righteousness, as well being renewed with knowledge and understanding that was lost by the first Adam in the fall of man. This man CANNOT sin and is in constant war with our sinful flesh~BUT, by the Spirit of the Living God that lives WITHIN every child of God, he is more than able to withstand any fiery darts of the wicked one, more than able. You quoted
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. (Ezekiel 36:27 [ESV])
And again:
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And she shall bear a son, and you shall call  his name Jesus, for he shall deliver his people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21 [ABP])
and then commented:
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And as such, whoever receives this new spirit cannot lose him as men who had the spirit before could,
First of all, I only use the KJV and refuse to comment on other versions, but will say this~Your comments do not fit with these scriptures and what each one is saying and each are truly teaching a different aspect of truth from the others. Under the New Covenant, the Spirit of God is called the Spirit of promise, and indeed he came as promised by Christ with power and signs and wonders on the day of Pentecost as a gift for God children to be their earnest inheritance until the day of Christ.
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And so, all who are chosen receive a holy spirit, which is an angel of God that has taken the form of spirit to inhabit that believer,
You are in serious error. We do not each receive a separate spirit to indwell us, but the Spirit of God Himself~while it is true that each child of God has a separate angel assigned to them to "encamp around about them"~ he does not LIVE IN THEM~angels have their limitations, even though much greater than us.
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hence why each holy spirit within a prophet is subject to their respective prophet each inhabits
IF you mean the child of God's spirit which is indeed holy, made so by the power of God, then I would agree, yet if you mean ANOTHER spirit, other than a saint's own spirit, then you are wrong. Yes, all of God's children are subject to each other, and give each their proper right to speak the truth of the word of God, without trying to be a know it all, and our brethren void of the same gift as we many think we have. I'm a little weak, by being sick this week, so forgive me for my lack of making things as clear as I should. The Lord willing, I'll be back.
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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #17 on: Sat Oct 08, 2016 - 16:46:16 »
That doesn't sound right.  ::headscratch::

The Holy Spirit is not an angel, and we don't each receive a Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit, He is One, and He is One with God.



All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you,

 and the Spirit of God rushed upon him,

And I will put my Spirit within you,

and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you,

against the Holy Spirit

you have lied to the Holy Spirit




THE Holy Spirit, not A Holy Spirit.

Each of the elect has a holy spirit,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])


Negative, CG...we do not each have a holy spirit, because there is only one...those of us who are saved and walking in relationship with God have come to partake of the one Holy Spirit...

1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

You are a JW aren't you...

And just as the one body is made of many members,

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Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. (1 Corinthians 12:14 [NIV])

So is the one spirit made up of many, and to each of the elect is given one spirit.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #18 on: Sat Oct 08, 2016 - 16:52:47 »
Just a question to the OP. Yeah, mate, if the Holy Spirit were angels, why aren't the terms ruach ha-kodesh and malak elohim synonymous?

The angel that guided the Israelites was referred to as a holy spirit,

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In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. (Isaiah 63:9-10 [NIV])

And as such, angels of God are without a doubt holy spirits.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #19 on: Sat Oct 08, 2016 - 17:20:33 »
Even in 1 John we see that there are multiple spirits,

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Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 John 4:2 [KJV])

And as such, a spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is a spirit of God. And so, each of the elect has a spirit of God, which is subject to the prophet that spirit inhabits,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])

The holy spirit is not omnipresent as your churches teach, as only the Father is omnipresent, and as such, the holy spirit inhabits each of the elect because one spirit is given per member of the body of Christ. And each spirit of God given to the elect is the same spirit, able to impart all the gifts of the spirit to each believer as each spirit wills.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #20 on: Sun Oct 09, 2016 - 05:45:58 »
Even in 1 John we see that there are multiple spirits
Well not only in 1st John but throughout the scriptures there were many spirits, since each individual person has his/her own spirit, which gives no support to your strange doctrine. The Holy Spirit/Ghost is the Father of ALL spirits, be they angels, or men each has their own spirit.
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Hebrews 12:9~"Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"
THE Holy Spirit dwells IN his holy temple which are born again children of God.
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Ephesians 2:21,22~"In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."
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1st Corinthians 3:16~"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
There are more, but in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established....confirmed to be TRUE. Your doctrine is strange fire being offered upon the altar of God, and you should know the results of those that do such~ if you do not, then search the scriptures and see.
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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #21 on: Sun Oct 09, 2016 - 09:48:01 »
Even in 1 John we see that there are multiple spirits
Well not only in 1st John but throughout the scriptures there were many spirits, since each individual person has his/her own spirit, which gives no support to your strange doctrine. The Holy Spirit/Ghost is the Father of ALL spirits, be they angels, or men each has their own spirit.
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Hebrews 12:9~"Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"
THE Holy Spirit dwells IN his holy temple which are born again children of God.
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Ephesians 2:21,22~"In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."
Again:
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1st Corinthians 3:16~"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
There are more, but in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established....confirmed to be TRUE. Your doctrine is strange fire being offered upon the altar of God, and you should know the results of those that do such~ if you do not, then search the scriptures and see.

On the contrary, it is the doctrine that there is only one holy spirit that is somehow able to inhabit all the elect at the same time is the false, nonsensical, and a strange doctrine, as opposed to the teaching that there are as many holy spirits as there are angels, as God makes his angels into spirits,

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He makes his angels winds; his servants flames of fire. (Psalm 104:4 [NHEB])

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In speaking of the angels he says, "He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire." (Hebrews 1:7 [NIV])

For the service of the elect,

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Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? (Hebrews 1:14 [NIV])

And just as the angel of God guided the Israelites, who was also called a holy spirit,

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In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. (Isaiah 63:9-10 [NIV])

So does God send a holy spirit to guide each of the elect from within the body,

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And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you to the age-- the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see Him nor knows him. But you know Him, for He abides with you and He will be in you. (John 14:16-17 [BLB])

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #22 on: Sun Oct 09, 2016 - 23:11:31 »
That doesn't sound right.  ::headscratch::

The Holy Spirit is not an angel, and we don't each receive a Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit, He is One, and He is One with God.



All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you,

 and the Spirit of God rushed upon him,

And I will put my Spirit within you,

and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you,

against the Holy Spirit

you have lied to the Holy Spirit




THE Holy Spirit, not A Holy Spirit.

Each of the elect has a holy spirit,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])


Negative, CG...we do not each have a holy spirit, because there is only one...those of us who are saved and walking in relationship with God have come to partake of the one Holy Spirit...

1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

You are a JW aren't you...

And just as the one body is made of many members,

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Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. (1 Corinthians 12:14 [NIV])

So is the one spirit made up of many, and to each of the elect is given one spirit.

Umm...nope! Please give us a passage that tells us that "the one spirit made up of many" nonsense, because there are none that I know of...

and, you have now avoided the question two times, are you a JW? If not, I would surely love to know from where you are getting these unscriptural ideas from, because as the word 'unscriptural' indicates...they are not found in the Scriptures.







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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #23 on: Sun Oct 09, 2016 - 23:13:40 »
Even in 1 John we see that there are multiple spirits,

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Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 John 4:2 [KJV])

And as such, a spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is a spirit of God. And so, each of the elect has a spirit of God, which is subject to the prophet that spirit inhabits,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])

The holy spirit is not omnipresent as your churches teach, as only the Father is omnipresent, and as such, the holy spirit inhabits each of the elect because one spirit is given per member of the body of Christ. And each spirit of God given to the elect is the same spirit, able to impart all the gifts of the spirit to each believer as each spirit wills.


Your hermeneutics (if you are using any...) are off the table here, CG. You are confusing the term "Holy Spirit" with passages that do indeed insinuate spirits that are holy, but do NOT speak of God's one singular Holy Spirit.

In doing so, you are corrupting the Word of God by putting your own spin upon the Scriptures.



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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #24 on: Sun Oct 09, 2016 - 23:25:07 »
Even in 1 John we see that there are multiple spirits
Well not only in 1st John but throughout the scriptures there were many spirits, since each individual person has his/her own spirit, which gives no support to your strange doctrine. The Holy Spirit/Ghost is the Father of ALL spirits, be they angels, or men each has their own spirit.
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Hebrews 12:9~"Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"
THE Holy Spirit dwells IN his holy temple which are born again children of God.
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Ephesians 2:21,22~"In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."
Again:
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1st Corinthians 3:16~"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
There are more, but in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established....confirmed to be TRUE. Your doctrine is strange fire being offered upon the altar of God, and you should know the results of those that do such~ if you do not, then search the scriptures and see.

On the contrary, it is the doctrine that there is only one holy spirit that is somehow able to inhabit all the elect at the same time is the false, nonsensical, and a strange doctrine, as opposed to the teaching that there are as many holy spirits as there are angels, as God makes his angels into spirits,



Ahh...yes, it is now identifiable. Even though the Watchtower Society has changed their doctrines (once again since 1914) and even their verbiage, trying to sound more and more Christian-like in their efforts. However, from the very beginning, JW's are taught a very humanistic view of the Scriptures, as we see here in CG's account of explanation. This video is old, but very on mark...

https://youtu.be/iDBxtquZxn0


When a 'society' of 'believer's' place God in a box and tell us that He can't be in two places at the same time, then they demonstrate not only being swallowed up in false teachings, but also placing God in the form of a man. They say, "I can't be in two places at one time, therefore God can't either."


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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #25 on: Mon Oct 10, 2016 - 04:30:07 »
On the contrary, it is the doctrine that there is only one holy spirit that is somehow able to inhabit all the elect at the same time is the false, nonsensical, and a strange doctrine, as opposed to the teaching that there are as many holy spirits as there are angels, as God makes his angels into spirits,
Now your true colors are coming to the surface. The god that you and your "society of reprobates" believe in is a very limited god and can only be in "one place at a time"~you also most likely have to wake him up in order for him hear you when you speak to him, like the children of Baal did to their god. The Mighty God of Israel neither sleep nor slumbers, and does not only filled heaven and earth but knew every thought of every single person that they would ever think BEFORE HE CREATED ALL THINGS~There are NO limitations that can be placed against the Christian God of the holy scriptures, NONE WHATSOEVER. The God of the scriptures is from everlasting to everlasting, Infinite in every way conceivable to the mind of man, and BEYOND THAT. Jehovah is OUR God, and his Son is our Savior, who is eternal life AND THE TRUE GOD.
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1st John 5:20~"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Your New World Translation bible blaspheme and reject who God's Son is, thereby, you do not have eternal life abiding within you, but spiritual death.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
~New World Translation bible of the JW. Jesus Christ in his Divine nature was the Word that was in the beginning~or in eternity ALONE as the MIGHTY GOD that had NO equal, or competition. This God, can dwell in all of his children at the same time since even the heavens cannot contain him, how much less can man. Yet, by his Infinite knowledge, and power he makes this to be so.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #26 on: Mon Oct 10, 2016 - 08:56:24 »
That doesn't sound right.  ::headscratch::

The Holy Spirit is not an angel, and we don't each receive a Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit, He is One, and He is One with God.



All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you,

 and the Spirit of God rushed upon him,

And I will put my Spirit within you,

and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you,

against the Holy Spirit

you have lied to the Holy Spirit




THE Holy Spirit, not A Holy Spirit.

Each of the elect has a holy spirit,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])


Negative, CG...we do not each have a holy spirit, because there is only one...those of us who are saved and walking in relationship with God have come to partake of the one Holy Spirit...

1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

You are a JW aren't you...

And just as the one body is made of many members,

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Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. (1 Corinthians 12:14 [NIV])

So is the one spirit made up of many, and to each of the elect is given one spirit.

Umm...nope! Please give us a passage that tells us that "the one spirit made up of many" nonsense, because there are none that I know of...

and, you have now avoided the question two times, are you a JW? If not, I would surely love to know from where you are getting these unscriptural ideas from, because as the word 'unscriptural' indicates...they are not found in the Scriptures.

I already showed you the scripture, any spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ came in the flesh is a spirit of God, plural,

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beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 John 4:2 [KJV])

And we know that every prophet has a spirit of God, plural,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])

There is not just one spirit of God, there are as many spirits of God as there are angels of God.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #27 on: Mon Oct 10, 2016 - 09:00:17 »
That doesn't sound right.  ::headscratch::

The Holy Spirit is not an angel, and we don't each receive a Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit, He is One, and He is One with God.



All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you,

 and the Spirit of God rushed upon him,

And I will put my Spirit within you,

and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you,

against the Holy Spirit

you have lied to the Holy Spirit




THE Holy Spirit, not A Holy Spirit.

Each of the elect has a holy spirit,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])


Negative, CG...we do not each have a holy spirit, because there is only one...those of us who are saved and walking in relationship with God have come to partake of the one Holy Spirit...

1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

You are a JW aren't you...

And just as the one body is made of many members,

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Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. (1 Corinthians 12:14 [NIV])

So is the one spirit made up of many, and to each of the elect is given one spirit.

Umm...nope! Please give us a passage that tells us that "the one spirit made up of many" nonsense, because there are none that I know of...

and, you have now avoided the question two times, are you a JW? If not, I would surely love to know from where you are getting these unscriptural ideas from, because as the word 'unscriptural' indicates...they are not found in the Scriptures.

I am not a Jehovah's Witness, how many times must I say this? They err in various other doctrines, just as you. And as a matter of fact, whoever declares himself to be of any denomination is already in doctrinal error, as it is said,

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For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? (1 Corinthians 3:4 [KJV])

There is only body of Jesus Christ, either your a member of that one body, or you are not. Either you know the true and entire doctrine of Jesus Christ, or you do not.
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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #28 on: Mon Oct 10, 2016 - 09:10:19 »
On the contrary, it is the doctrine that there is only one holy spirit that is somehow able to inhabit all the elect at the same time is the false, nonsensical, and a strange doctrine, as opposed to the teaching that there are as many holy spirits as there are angels, as God makes his angels into spirits,
Now your true colors are coming to the surface. The god that you and your "society of reprobates" believe in is a very limited god and can only be in "one place at a time"~you also most likely have to wake him up in order for him hear you when you speak to him, like the children of Baal did to their god. The Mighty God of Israel neither sleep nor slumbers, and does not only filled heaven and earth but knew every thought of every single person that they would ever think BEFORE HE CREATED ALL THINGS~There are NO limitations that can be placed against the Christian God of the holy scriptures, NONE WHATSOEVER. The God of the scriptures is from everlasting to everlasting, Infinite in every way conceivable to the mind of man, and BEYOND THAT. Jehovah is OUR God, and his Son is our Savior, who is eternal life AND THE TRUE GOD.
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1st John 5:20~"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Your New World Translation bible blaspheme and reject who God's Son is, thereby, you do not have eternal life abiding within you, but spiritual death.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
~New World Translation bible of the JW. Jesus Christ in his Divine nature was the Word that was in the beginning~or in eternity ALONE as the MIGHTY GOD that had NO equal, or competition. This God, can dwell in all of his children at the same time since even the heavens cannot contain him, how much less can man. Yet, by his Infinite knowledge, and power he makes this to be so.

The holy spirit is not the Father, and as such, it is the Father alone who is everywhere, yet not his holy spirit. Or how would the holy spirit have sprung upon Saul if the holy spirit were indeed everywhere already?

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And spirit of the LORD shall spring upon you, and you shall prophesy with them, and you shall turn into another man. (I Samuel 10:6 [ABP])

And as such, the holy spirit is not everywhere, only in one place wherever he is, just as you are in one place wherever you are. Hence why each prophet receives one holy spirit, because just as you or I, or even also Jesus Christ, the holy spirit is a living being that is lesser than the Father that can only be at one place at a time, whereas the Father alone is everywhere.
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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #29 on: Mon Oct 10, 2016 - 09:34:39 »
cgaviria may be a Christadelphian.    They have a heretical view of the Godhead.    They are another of the fine groups which came out of the "Restoration Movement," along with the Mormons.   

When the European theologians came to America in the late 1700s they were free to unleash their pent-up, unorthodox beliefs and establish the cultish groups which are still around.   

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #30 on: Mon Oct 10, 2016 - 10:53:53 »
cgaviria may be a Christadelphian.    They have a heretical view of the Godhead.    They are another of the fine groups which came out of the "Restoration Movement," along with the Mormons.   

When the European theologians came to America in the late 1700s they were free to unleash their pent-up, unorthodox beliefs and establish the cultish groups which are still around.

I am also not a Christadelphian. I have already told you people, I am not of any of a denomination. I am a believer of Jesus Christ, who knows and upholds the original doctrine of Jesus Christ and the apostles. I have been called to begin a ministry for the Lord, in full power of the holy spirit, and have begun writing what has been permitted for me to see.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #31 on: Mon Oct 10, 2016 - 16:01:06 »

All...

It seems to me that those who followed Jesus at the time of his ministry received a helper, a spiritual guider which was given to early followers to give them divine guidance, but, I fear, for most of us today we are supposed to upbuild within ourselves our own righteous spirit, by following the accurate teaching of Jesus. Our spirit is much the same as the Holy Spirit because it too has direct communication with Almighty God through Jesus Christ's teaching...it too, fashions our thinking and our health...it too can be resurrected but to a new vessel in the next generation...and it too can feed our genetics soothing and calming them so that we can embark on Jesus' path to everlasting life.

It's all possible because the spiritual energy that does all the work is, as Jesus promised, all around us all of the time...it is indestructible, and, whilst the behaviour of the world is wasteful of this same energy, we who follow Jesus should be more responsible and use it sparingly and wisely, just as Jesus did.

 

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #32 on: Wed Oct 12, 2016 - 21:41:15 »
That doesn't sound right.  ::headscratch::

The Holy Spirit is not an angel, and we don't each receive a Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit, He is One, and He is One with God.



All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you,

 and the Spirit of God rushed upon him,

And I will put my Spirit within you,

and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you,

against the Holy Spirit

you have lied to the Holy Spirit




THE Holy Spirit, not A Holy Spirit.

Each of the elect has a holy spirit,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])


Negative, CG...we do not each have a holy spirit, because there is only one...those of us who are saved and walking in relationship with God have come to partake of the one Holy Spirit...

1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

You are a JW aren't you...

And just as the one body is made of many members,

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Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. (1 Corinthians 12:14 [NIV])

So is the one spirit made up of many, and to each of the elect is given one spirit.

Umm...nope! Please give us a passage that tells us that "the one spirit made up of many" nonsense, because there are none that I know of...

and, you have now avoided the question two times, are you a JW? If not, I would surely love to know from where you are getting these unscriptural ideas from, because as the word 'unscriptural' indicates...they are not found in the Scriptures.

I already showed you the scripture, any spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ came in the flesh is a spirit of God, plural,

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beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 John 4:2 [KJV])

And we know that every prophet has a spirit of God, plural,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])

There is not just one spirit of God, there are as many spirits of God as there are angels of God.

Yes, you did give Scriptures, but then you twisted your interpretation of them around so that your ideology is no longer Scriptural nor supported by the Scriptures. Again...there is only one Holy Spirit...a fact that no one in their right mind would contest unless they don't know the Scriptures.

In every case above you have contorted the meaning of the texts that you utilize in vain energy trying to support your thesis...

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beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 John 4:2 [KJV])

Yes...hereby you will know THE SPIRIT OF GOD...singular, not many. Then, in the next sentence, John speaks of every spirit (small "s"...meaning that it is NOT the Spirit of God) that does not confess Christ... meaning that those spirits that do not confess Christ are demonic spirits or the teachings from demonic spirits...

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

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And we know that every prophet has a spirit of God, plural,

No...what we KNOW Scripturally is that - first - a prophet is either one who prophesies because the Spirit of God is speaking through him/her, or that the second meaning of prophet is one who speaks the Word of God in exhortation, which means either a preacher or one who is preaching. Look up the word prophetes, because it can mean either one, and in this case, it does not mean what you claim that it means.

Paul is saying that one who is preaching should stop for a moment if something has been revealed to someone else so that they can speak what was revealed to them, then the one preaching or teaching can continue. We KNOW this because there is a difference Scripturally between the position of Prophet, and one speaking prophetically by the Spirit of God.

When the Holy Spirit is speaking through someone, they do NOT have control over Him, only those who are in the office of prophet who may be speaking (not by the Spirit of God), or one who is preaching or teaching in a prophetic manner, has control over their own spirit. That is what Paul is saying here...

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There is not just one spirit of God, there are as many spirits of God as there are angels of God.

Nope...not in the sense that you are claiming. You are teaching something that is not Scriptural. You are taking pieces of Scriptures from here and there and trying to form a doctrine out of it which is not supported by the Scriptures as a whole. You need to amend your theology to the Scriptures, not your own carnal mind.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #33 on: Wed Oct 12, 2016 - 21:45:04 »
That doesn't sound right.  ::headscratch::

The Holy Spirit is not an angel, and we don't each receive a Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit, He is One, and He is One with God.



All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you,

 and the Spirit of God rushed upon him,

And I will put my Spirit within you,

and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you,

against the Holy Spirit

you have lied to the Holy Spirit




THE Holy Spirit, not A Holy Spirit.

Each of the elect has a holy spirit,

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The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32 [NIV])


Negative, CG...we do not each have a holy spirit, because there is only one...those of us who are saved and walking in relationship with God have come to partake of the one Holy Spirit...

1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

You are a JW aren't you...

And just as the one body is made of many members,

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Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. (1 Corinthians 12:14 [NIV])

So is the one spirit made up of many, and to each of the elect is given one spirit.

Umm...nope! Please give us a passage that tells us that "the one spirit made up of many" nonsense, because there are none that I know of...

and, you have now avoided the question two times, are you a JW? If not, I would surely love to know from where you are getting these unscriptural ideas from, because as the word 'unscriptural' indicates...they are not found in the Scriptures.

I am not a Jehovah's Witness, how many times must I say this? They err in various other doctrines, just as you. And as a matter of fact, whoever declares himself to be of any denomination is already in doctrinal error, as it is said,

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For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? (1 Corinthians 3:4 [KJV])

There is only body of Jesus Christ, either your a member of that one body, or you are not. Either you know the true and entire doctrine of Jesus Christ, or you do not.

Well said...and you have demonstrated now many times over that you do not know the entire doctrine of Jesus Christ.

So, by saying that if you are of a particular denomination, you claim is in doctrinal error? You have demonstrated here a few times that you are in doctrinal error...and by your statement you belong to no denomination. So you are in the same boat that you denounce others in....

I understand ANE covenants, CG...do you? Answer truthfully...because God is watching.

If you do not understand ANE covenants, then you cannot possibly understand Christ's doctrine, because it is all based upon covenant.



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Re: The Holy Spirit is an Angel, and Each Believer Receives a Holy Spirit
« Reply #34 on: Wed Oct 12, 2016 - 21:50:38 »
cgaviria may be a Christadelphian.    They have a heretical view of the Godhead.    They are another of the fine groups which came out of the "Restoration Movement," along with the Mormons.   

When the European theologians came to America in the late 1700s they were free to unleash their pent-up, unorthodox beliefs and establish the cultish groups which are still around.

I am also not a Christadelphian. I have already told you people, I am not of any of a denomination. I am a believer of Jesus Christ, who knows and upholds the original doctrine of Jesus Christ and the apostles. I have been called to begin a ministry for the Lord, in full power of the holy spirit, and have begun writing what has been permitted for me to see.


Um....sorry, but you have evidently been listening to one of those spirits that are not from God. We have had a few come and go here that claimed they have been given divine revelation concerning Scripture, and they too have claimed pretty much the same thing you just did above...

You need to go find them, because after claiming the same thing that they claimed, you are teaching something completely different from what they were teaching...so...which one of you are the real deal?

I'll tell you who...none of you. You fail to run your Bible reading and study through any kind of complete Biblical Hermeneutic...you fail to study the Greek so that you can at least see the faults in translations in order to get what the writers actually said...and these are just starters...

So...no...whatever you think you have, as you have demonstrated in many of the threads that you have started, that you have not been given some kind of knowledge in line with the Scriptures. That should be pretty obvious since people here that I don't usually agree with, and who don't usually agree with me, have pulled together to try to show you your errors and have stated that you are waaayyyyy out in left field.

No insult intended.



 

     
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