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What did Jesus offer?
« on: November 29, 2011, 04:33:02 PM »
Jesus was required to offer “something
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What did Jesus offer?
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 07:59:49 PM »
He offered the final and last blood sacrifice, so that people could be reconciled to God.

Why did this have to be done this way?

I don't really know it doesn't make any sense to me, it seems like God could of just said you people are forgiven instead of having God the son come down as a human and die for us.

I really don't get it, but God required it and I believe his will is perfect even though I don't understand it all.

The point in everything is to believe God even if it sometimes doesn't make sense.  Remember, in revelation John was told not to give a testimony of some things he witnesses, I'm thinking those have to do with the mystery of God's will

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 08:04:07 PM »
He offered the final and last blood sacrifice, so that people could be reconciled to God.

Why did this have to be done this way?

I don't really know it doesn't make any sense to me, it seems like God could of just said you people are forgiven instead of having God the son come down as a human and die for us.

I really don't get it, but God required it and I believe his will is perfect even though I don't understand it all.

The point in everything is to believe God even if it sometimes doesn't make sense.  Remember, in revelation John was told not to give a testimony of some things he witnesses, I'm thinking those have to do with the mystery of God's will

There is a great deal of error in your response.

Needless to say your salvation is the Body and Blood of Jesus and if you dont understand the atoning principles of salvation what does that say about your salvation?

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 08:15:22 PM »
He offered the final and last blood sacrifice, so that people could be reconciled to God.

Why did this have to be done this way?

I don't really know it doesn't make any sense to me, it seems like God could of just said you people are forgiven instead of having God the son come down as a human and die for us.

I really don't get it, but God required it and I believe his will is perfect even though I don't understand it all.

The point in everything is to believe God even if it sometimes doesn't make sense.  Remember, in revelation John was told not to give a testimony of some things he witnesses, I'm thinking those have to do with the mystery of God's will

There is a great deal of error in your response.

Needless to say your salvation is the Body and Blood of Jesus and if you dont understand the atoning principles of salvation what does that say about your salvation?

Insight

Explain then.

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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 08:22:10 PM »
He offered the final and last blood sacrifice, so that people could be reconciled to God.

Why did this have to be done this way?

I don't really know it doesn't make any sense to me, it seems like God could of just said you people are forgiven instead of having God the son come down as a human and die for us.

I really don't get it, but God required it and I believe his will is perfect even though I don't understand it all.

The point in everything is to believe God even if it sometimes doesn't make sense.  Remember, in revelation John was told not to give a testimony of some things he witnesses, I'm thinking those have to do with the mystery of God's will

There is a great deal of error in your response.

Needless to say your salvation is the Body and Blood of Jesus and if you dont understand the atoning principles of salvation what does that say about your salvation?

Insight

Explain then.

Ok.

Where better to start than the begining of the NT.

Matt 1:1 This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Why does the Gospel begin revealing Jesus as the son of two sinners?

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 08:27:37 PM »
He offered the final and last blood sacrifice, so that people could be reconciled to God.

Why did this have to be done this way?

I don't really know it doesn't make any sense to me, it seems like God could of just said you people are forgiven instead of having God the son come down as a human and die for us.

I really don't get it, but God required it and I believe his will is perfect even though I don't understand it all.

The point in everything is to believe God even if it sometimes doesn't make sense.  Remember, in revelation John was told not to give a testimony of some things he witnesses, I'm thinking those have to do with the mystery of God's will

There is a great deal of error in your response.

Needless to say your salvation is the Body and Blood of Jesus and if you dont understand the atoning principles of salvation what does that say about your salvation?

Insight

I understand what Jesus did, but I am not God.  I don't know why he required God the son to come in the flesh and then die on a cross, rise again and then ascend to the right hand of God in the throne in heaven.

I just don't get why he just didn't say okay all you people are forgiven.  I understand the old testament and the new, but it still doesn't make sense to me.

However; I believe in God and I trust in his will and in God even if it doesn't make sense.

Are you telling me that you understand every verse in the bible?  Are you telling me that you understand the complete will of God?

It is not about UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING it is about yielding and bowing down and SEEKING God and not yielding to our own understanding.

Yes I know the biblically principles of sacrifice and atonement and salvation etc, but it just doesn't make sense.  However; if you have ears to hear listen to what I am saying.

Jesus is my God and savior and I seek him and serve him and love him and believe him, and believe what he did and has done.  

If you know God's will perfectly and can calculate his every move good for you.

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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 08:34:25 PM »
He offered the final and last blood sacrifice, so that people could be reconciled to God.

Why did this have to be done this way?

I don't really know it doesn't make any sense to me, it seems like God could of just said you people are forgiven instead of having God the son come down as a human and die for us.

I really don't get it, but God required it and I believe his will is perfect even though I don't understand it all.

The point in everything is to believe God even if it sometimes doesn't make sense.  Remember, in revelation John was told not to give a testimony of some things he witnesses, I'm thinking those have to do with the mystery of God's will

There is a great deal of error in your response.

Needless to say your salvation is the Body and Blood of Jesus and if you dont understand the atoning principles of salvation what does that say about your salvation?

Insight

I understand what Jesus did, but I am not God.  I don't know why he required God the son to come in the flesh and then die on a cross, rise again and then ascend to the right hand of God in the throne in heaven.

I just don't get why he just didn't say okay all you people are forgiven.  I understand the old testament and the new, but it still doesn't make sense to me.

However; I believe in God and I trust in his will and in God even if it doesn't make sense.

Are you telling me that you understand every verse in the bible?  Are you telling me that you understand the complete will of God?

It is not about UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING it is about yielding and bowing down and SEEKING God and not yielding to our own understanding.

Yes I know the biblically principles of sacrifice and atonement and salvation etc, but it just doesn't make sense.  However; if you have ears to hear listen to what I am saying.

Jesus is my God and savior and I seek him and serve him and love him and believe him, and believe what he did and has done.  

If you know God's will perfectly and can calculate his every move good for you.

Though I did not make the claims of knowing God's Will I sense you feel threatened by my questions.

What if you discovered after living you whole life this God is not the One True God?

What if what you say here is error?

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Jesus is my God and savior and I seek him and serve him and love him and believe him, and believe what he did and has done.  

I won’t push - I sense resistance already.

BTW, if you don’t know the answer to a question there is no harm in learning.  I do it every day.

God Bless

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 08:47:07 PM »
OP- please explain, who then is the one true God?

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 08:56:10 PM »
OP- please explain, who then is the one true God?

I was trying to show you.

Matt 1:1 This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Why does the Gospel begin by revealing Jesus as the son of two sinners?

Also see Rom 1:3 and Gal 4:4

I dont know about you but the God i know is not the Son of a sinner?

Maybe in your studies you "may" not have asked the right questions of the Word?

I am giving you that opportunity.

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 09:17:24 PM »
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh Rom 1:3

It’s one thing to say his was of the genealogy of David, but to make specific reference to David’s flesh?

Why so?

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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 09:19:37 PM »
For verily Jesus took NOT on him the nature of angels; but Jesus took on him the nature of Abraham. Heb 2:16

Maybe you should yourself "what was Abraham & David's nature?

And why?

Is Mat 1:1 any clearer?

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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 09:22:32 PM »
And just to prove I am not being bias - if you like I am more than happy to provide a Trinitarian answer.

You only need ask!

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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 09:34:05 PM »
Are there 18 people reading this thread who cannot answer Matt 1:1 the very first verse of the New Testament.

I would be staggered if this was the case.

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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 09:38:43 PM »
For he (God) hath made him (Jesus) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him (Jesus). 2 Cor 5:21

But let’s translate this passage through a Trinitarian filter.

For God hath made God to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in God. 2 Cor 5:21

Is this right?  ::doh::

Is this what you all believe?  ::shrug::


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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 10:25:15 PM »
“And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.