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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #105 on: Fri Dec 02, 2011 - 09:23:45 »
I'm not thinking Insight has much insight.  He surely hasn't shared anything to this point other than declaring himself the one who knows the gospel and yet he hasn't shared anything.  Not a thing.  And he evades direct questions.  I have to wonder if he is on the up and up, frankly.  What started out as a promising question for a thread turns out to be only a comeon for his own off the mark understanding.  Oh well.....

Hi Segell,

Coming to the discussion late one can omit to go back and look at all the unanswered questions.

If you wish me to repost them I am more than able.

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Sorry, Insight.  You just don't offer any, um, insight.  In fact, you haven't really said anything except to debunk God's Word with your unfortunate twisted understanding.  Your views are actually an affront to all who trust in the Lord Jesus as Savior, Redeemer and Creator.  You actually, perhaps without knowing, make a mockery of Christ's life, death and resurrection.

I believe you to be, in a sense, very sincere (your self elevation, however, causes me pause in trying to determine the depth of your sincerity).  But if you are using the New World Bible as your authority, then there really would be no point of the debate, would there?

I don't wish to be disrespectful, but the truth is your teachings should be ignored rather than debated.  Expecially on this sight where, by its name, we explore the grace of God though His Son and our Lord, Jesus.  Jesus is who He said He is.  In the beginning.......

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #106 on: Tue Dec 06, 2011 - 06:38:01 »
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What exactly did Jesus offer and why?

He offered Himself as an sin Offering, for the sins of God's Chosen or the People to make reconciliation for the People Heb 2:16-17

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

 17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

This was foretold in Isa 53:10-11

 10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #107 on: Tue Dec 06, 2011 - 15:01:14 »
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What exactly did Jesus offer and why?

He offered Himself as an sin Offering, for the sins of God's Chosen or the People to make reconciliation for the People Heb 2:16-17

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

 17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

This was foretold in Isa 53:10-11

 10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Can you explain what the seed of Abraham is?  YOu may like to look at Rom 1:3 and explain why the "flesh" of David?

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #108 on: Tue Dec 06, 2011 - 19:07:13 »
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Can you explain what the seed of Abraham is?


Scripture says this Ps 105:6

O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.

Isa 41:8

But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

The seed of Abraham is an Chosen People ! Christ came and Idenitifed with a Chosen People, a particular People, not all mankind without exception !

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« Reply #109 on: Tue Dec 06, 2011 - 19:08:09 »
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Can you explain what the seed of Abraham is?


Scripture says this Ps 105:6

O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.

Isa 41:8

But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

The seed of Abraham is an Chosen People ! Christ came and Idenitifed with a Chosen People, a particular People, not all mankind without exception !

Yes but was does "seed" relate too?

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« Reply #110 on: Tue Dec 06, 2011 - 20:54:35 »
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Can you explain what the seed of Abraham is?


Scripture says this Ps 105:6

O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.

Isa 41:8

But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

The seed of Abraham is an Chosen People ! Christ came and Idenitifed with a Chosen People, a particular People, not all mankind without exception !

Yes but was does "seed" relate too?

Do your own reasearch !

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« Reply #111 on: Tue Dec 06, 2011 - 21:00:35 »
He died for the seed of abraham

Heb 2:16

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Talking about the Limited intent of the atonement, there is perhaps no scripture that declares it more plainly than this one..

That the GodMan Mediator came to identify with the choice people he came to die for..not all of mankind, but the seed of abraham, that is a chosen people..

Ps 105:6

O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.

Isa 41:8

But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend

remember Jesus said :

Jn 15:13

13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.[chosen ones]

When paul declared in 1 Cor 15:3

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

our sins = The seed of abraham

Heb 2:17,16

17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren[seed of abraham], that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people[seed of abraham].

Notice, it says made like unto His brethern, which is the seed of abraham..

This is the same brethern as in Rom 8:29

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Yes, the seed of abraham is distinguished and particular, but the scope was broad, the scope was the world, and not Just israel..

Rom 4:18

18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

So, yes limited atonement is true, and must be preached truthfully or you have no gospel..

That Jesus christ came and Identifed with , the seed of abraham, and died for the seed of abraham, and rose again for the Justification of the seed of abraham...This is the Gospel of the Kingdom..

Yes, no doubt, all are sinners, but not all sinners are of the seed of abraham..

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #112 on: Tue Dec 06, 2011 - 21:09:05 »
He died for the seed of abraham

Heb 2:16

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.


I want you to explain and define what nature Jesus took on as per your above.  Now I could tell you but are you likely to listen?

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Heb 2:17,16

17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren[seed of abraham], that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people[seed of abraham].


You are quoting very strong verses but exactly how was Jesus like his brothers?

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« Reply #113 on: Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 06:08:51 »
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I want you to explain and define what nature Jesus took on as per your above.

I already did ! Now you do your own work, or are you too lazy ? Thats not debate on your part to ask people to explain something you bring into the debate. Each person should be able to explain what they bring to the debate. I already showed that the seed of Abraham Jesus came and identifed with is a Chosen People ! See my post from yesterday at 2100:35

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Now I could tell you but are you likely to listen?


Well do it and quit talking about it, but that does not mean one has to agree with it. I have given my definition for now !

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You are quoting very strong verses but exactly how was Jesus like his brothers?


Thats pretty obvious from the passage Heb 2:14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Now if you have something different for us then get to explaining and quit asking me to do your work !


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« Reply #114 on: Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 21:35:21 »
Hi Beloved.

Let me say this of your posts, which I find extremely interesting.  You have quoted Scriptures that very few Christians quote.  For instance, go and look at Gospel's or others of his ilk to see if they quote these verses with any understanding at all.

They avoid them like the plague and rightly so.

"you go where few Christians dear to journey" into the very nature of Christ.

To enter his flesh one must leave the trinity at the door.

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I already did ! Now you do your own work, or are you too lazy ? Thats not debate on your part to ask people to explain something you bring into the debate. Each person should be able to explain what they bring to the debate. I already showed that the seed of Abraham Jesus came and identifed with is a Chosen People ! See my post from yesterday at 2100:35


So Jesus dwelt as Paul states in Sin’s Flesh?

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Thats pretty obvious from the passage Heb 2:14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


So from this verse you believe Jesus had the exact same sin prone nature as you and I; that his flesh was held under the dominion of death until he crucified his flesh on the cross?

You also believe from this verse that the devil is not some supernatural mystical being ruling over the powers of darkness but in this verse represents sin.

For what had the power of death in Christ?

Look up Rom 6:23

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« Reply #115 on: Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 01:23:33 »
Hi Beloved.

Let me say this of your posts, which I find extremely interesting.  You have quoted Scriptures that very few Christians quote.  For instance, go and look at Gospel's or others of his ilk to see if they quote these verses with any understanding at all.

They avoid them like the plague and rightly so.

"you go where few Christians dear to journey" into the very nature of Christ.

To enter his flesh one must leave the trinity at the door.

insight

I already did ! Now you do your own work, or are you too lazy ? Thats not debate on your part to ask people to explain something you bring into the debate. Each person should be able to explain what they bring to the debate. I already showed that the seed of Abraham Jesus came and identifed with is a Chosen People ! See my post from yesterday at 2100:35


So Jesus dwelt as Paul states in Sin’s Flesh?

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Thats pretty obvious from the passage Heb 2:14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


So from this verse you believe Jesus had the exact same sin prone nature as you and I; that his flesh was held under the dominion of death until he crucified his flesh on the cross?

You also believe from this verse that the devil is not some supernatural mystical being ruling over the powers of darkness but in this verse represents sin.

For what had the power of death in Christ?

Look up Rom 6:23

Insight

You are going off into a direction that I am not interest in..

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« Reply #116 on: Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 14:27:38 »
Hi Beloved.

Let me say this of your posts, which I find extremely interesting.  You have quoted Scriptures that very few Christians quote.  For instance, go and look at Gospel's or others of his ilk to see if they quote these verses with any understanding at all.

They avoid them like the plague and rightly so.

"you go where few Christians dear to journey" into the very nature of Christ.

To enter his flesh one must leave the trinity at the door.

insight

I already did ! Now you do your own work, or are you too lazy ? Thats not debate on your part to ask people to explain something you bring into the debate. Each person should be able to explain what they bring to the debate. I already showed that the seed of Abraham Jesus came and identifed with is a Chosen People ! See my post from yesterday at 2100:35


So Jesus dwelt as Paul states in Sin’s Flesh?

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Thats pretty obvious from the passage Heb 2:14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


So from this verse you believe Jesus had the exact same sin prone nature as you and I; that his flesh was held under the dominion of death until he crucified his flesh on the cross?

You also believe from this verse that the devil is not some supernatural mystical being ruling over the powers of darkness but in this verse represents sin.

For what had the power of death in Christ?

Look up Rom 6:23

Insight

You are going off into a direction that I am not interest in..

Yes, its called truth.... but very few have gone there.  Many Christians today like the teachings that are palatable and easy on the senses. Sadly few understand the true nature of Jesus Christ.

The question has been put forth unanswered.

For sin to be condemned in the nature of Jesus Christ it had to be there in some form.

You should know once this is properly understood the whole Bible message is revealed.

Nice chatting.

Insight



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« Reply #117 on: Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 03:56:45 »
Heb 2:16

He took on the seed of abraham, this is a very important truth here, and when duly considered, it is plain to understand that its the seed only that shall benefit in the advantages of the Incarnation, sufferings and death, and resurrection of Jesus christ, the seed [ Gal 3:16] The seed of abraham are the True Israel, Spiritual, the elect of God : Gal 3 , Rom 2 Rom 9-11 ; Eph 2..

By It being said that He took on the seed of abraham, also means that Jesus did not come to Identify with and die for all of mankind, but only for a seed, a remnant..

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« Reply #118 on: Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 16:08:50 »
Heb 2:16

He took on the seed of abraham, this is a very important truth here, and when duly considered, it is plain to understand that its the seed only that shall benefit in the advantages of the Incarnation, sufferings and death, and resurrection of Jesus christ, the seed [ Gal 3:16] The seed of abraham are the True Israel, Spiritual, the elect of God : Gal 3 , Rom 2 Rom 9-11 ; Eph 2..

By It being said that He took on the seed of abraham, also means that Jesus did not come to Identify with and die for all of mankind, but only for a seed, a remnant..

By being born of a sinful woman and born into fallen stock such as Abraham, David etc

Why was this necessary?

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« Reply #119 on: Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 23:25:49 »
Heb 2:16

He took on the seed of abraham, this is a very important truth here, and when duly considered, it is plain to understand that its the seed only that shall benefit in the advantages of the Incarnation, sufferings and death, and resurrection of Jesus christ, the seed [ Gal 3:16] The seed of abraham are the True Israel, Spiritual, the elect of God : Gal 3 , Rom 2 Rom 9-11 ; Eph 2..

By It being said that He took on the seed of abraham, also means that Jesus did not come to Identify with and die for all of mankind, but only for a seed, a remnant..

By being born of a sinful woman and born into fallen stock such as Abraham, David etc

Why was this necessary?


It fulfilled prophesy. He was said to be the Son of Abraham and of David ! What say you ? Explain your own questions !

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« Reply #120 on: Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 23:27:32 »
Heb 2:16

He took on the seed of abraham, this is a very important truth here, and when duly considered, it is plain to understand that its the seed only that shall benefit in the advantages of the Incarnation, sufferings and death, and resurrection of Jesus christ, the seed [ Gal 3:16] The seed of abraham are the True Israel, Spiritual, the elect of God : Gal 3 , Rom 2 Rom 9-11 ; Eph 2..

By It being said that He took on the seed of abraham, also means that Jesus did not come to Identify with and die for all of mankind, but only for a seed, a remnant..

By being born of a sinful woman and born into fallen stock such as Abraham, David etc

Why was this necessary?


It fulfilled prophesy. He was said to be the Son of Abraham and of David ! What say you ? Explain your own questions !

Why did God choose a man from a line of sinners to have his Son?

The scriptures have been presented you aonly need apply their understanding.

Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?


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« Reply #121 on: Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 09:54:21 »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?

I never stated that, nor have i seen that statement in scripture, so you tell us why ? You keep asking questions about things you bring into the debate that has nothing to do with what I posted. Please explain your own bringings, or are you too lazy or something ? I take time to explain what I bring into the MATTER NOW PLEASE YOU DO LIKEWISE. Now show us where the scripture states that Christ had sin's flesh and show us how it fits into what I posted, and how it contradicts it. But do your own research , or maybe you are unprepared to debate your cause..

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« Reply #122 on: Sat Jan 21, 2012 - 05:27:18 »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?

I never stated that, nor have i seen that statement in scripture, so you tell us why ? You keep asking questions about things you bring into the debate that has nothing to do with what I posted. Please explain your own bringings, or are you too lazy or something ? I take time to explain what I bring into the MATTER NOW PLEASE YOU DO LIKEWISE. Now show us where the scripture states that Christ had sin's flesh and show us how it fits into what I posted, and how it contradicts it. But do your own research , or maybe you are unprepared to debate your cause..

For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, (Romans 8:3)

For God to condemn sin in the flesh of his son what was present in the flesh of Jesus? If indeed "he condemned sin in the flesh"

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« Reply #123 on: Fri Jan 27, 2012 - 05:06:52 »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?

I never stated that, nor have i seen that statement in scripture, so you tell us why ? You keep asking questions about things you bring into the debate that has nothing to do with what I posted. Please explain your own bringings, or are you too lazy or something ? I take time to explain what I bring into the MATTER NOW PLEASE YOU DO LIKEWISE. Now show us where the scripture states that Christ had sin's flesh and show us how it fits into what I posted, and how it contradicts it. But do your own research , or maybe you are unprepared to debate your cause..

For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, (Romans 8:3)

For God to condemn sin in the flesh of his son what was present in the flesh of Jesus? If indeed "he condemned sin in the flesh"

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I wondered how long this post would sit idle without being answered.  It appears not one person in the theology section could answer and not the non-theology is silent?

What precisely did God condemn in the flesh of Jesus Christ?



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« Reply #124 on: Fri Jan 27, 2012 - 07:02:06 »
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I wondered how long this post would sit idle without being answered.  It appears not one person in the theology section could answer and not the non-theology is silent?

What precisely did God condemn in the flesh of Jesus Christ?

I don't know that it sat unanswered because no one could answer it.

I read through the whole thread since you bumped it up, and I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I find the method of interaction off-putting.

In a topical discussion, assertions are made freely, and people can respond freely within the agreed upon topic.

When the interaction is a continuous framing of questions, then people are no longer responding freely to a specific topic.   It's a variation of that old saw "He who defines the terms, controls the debate."  In this case, he who defines the questions, controls the answers. 

I neither like the sense of an ever tightening spiral chute to the questioner's predetermined destination, nor the sense of here's a cookie come this way.

:shrug:  That's just me.

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« Reply #125 on: Tue Jan 31, 2012 - 05:38:57 »
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I wondered how long this post would sit idle without being answered.  It appears not one person in the theology section could answer and not the non-theology is silent?

What precisely did God condemn in the flesh of Jesus Christ?

I don't know that it sat unanswered because no one could answer it.

I read through the whole thread since you bumped it up, and I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I find the method of interaction off-putting.

In a topical discussion, assertions are made freely, and people can respond freely within the agreed upon topic.

When the interaction is a continuous framing of questions, then people are no longer responding freely to a specific topic.   It's a variation of that old saw "He who defines the terms, controls the debate."  In this case, he who defines the questions, controls the answers. 

I neither like the sense of an ever tightening spiral chute to the questioner's predetermined destination, nor the sense of here's a cookie come this way.

:shrug:  That's just me.

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Eloquently written to mean I simply cannot answer or am I willing to provide one.

So what did Jesus have need to offer?

And to Whom?



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« Reply #126 on: Thu Feb 02, 2012 - 08:35:38 »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?


He didn't, at least not the Jesus of scripture. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, not that He came in sinful flesh. You are speaking a serious blasphemy here, you know that ?

Rom 8:3

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The word likeness here is homoiōma:


that which has been made after the likeness of something

a) a figure, image, likeness, representation

b) likeness i.e. resemblance, such as amounts almost to equality or identity


Paul says the same thing in another way Here Phil 2:7-8

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Now since you made such a serious blasphemous statement, its on you to provide the scripture of Truth that states clearly that Christ came in sinful flesh or that He had a sinful flesh.

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« Reply #127 on: Mon Feb 13, 2012 - 05:05:03 »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?


He didn't, at least not the Jesus of scripture. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, not that He came in sinful flesh. You are speaking a serious blasphemy here, you know that ?

Rom 8:3

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The word likeness here is homoiōma:


that which has been made after the likeness of something

a) a figure, image, likeness, representation

b) likeness i.e. resemblance, such as amounts almost to equality or identity


Paul says the same thing in another way Here Phil 2:7-8

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Now since you made such a serious blasphemous statement, its on you to provide the scripture of Truth that states clearly that Christ came in sinful flesh or that He had a sinful flesh.

I would implore you to study the word likeness in its chosen context to discover likeness to actually means the same.

Therefore Jesus had to be made like his brothers in every respect (Hebrews 2:17)

I cut the verse in the hope you will dig a little deeper and come back with an explanation why Jesus was required to possess sins flesh - born in the line of sinners. The son of Adam, Abraham and David.

Sorry this response has taken me so long.

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« Reply #128 on: Mon Feb 13, 2012 - 05:17:13 »
When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. (Genesis 5:3)

Likeness has relation to capacity (mental and moral), whereas image relates to shape or appearence.  The original "likeness" of man to the Elohim (angels) had been marred by sin, and through sin had come physical death (Rom. 5:12).

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned--(Romans 5:12)
 
Jesus Christ was and is the Son of Man.

For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, (Romans 8:3)

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #129 on: Mon Feb 13, 2012 - 06:28:59 »
OK Insight, what did Jesus "offer" that made made you and me righteous to a holy God?
I ask this because Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:21 that He became sin for us ( you and me )
that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

When does this "righteousness" take affect?
Do we just say a pious prayer and ask Jesus into our heart and we become righteous?
I do not "feel" righteous how about you?
Did I pray long enough? was I passed over?

Now, if you are of the Catholic faith all you need to do is confess your sins to a priest;
go to mass at lest once a year to get another shot of faith from the Eucharist when you are running low.

There are those who make an alter call and get a new transfusion when their liquid faith is running low.
How about you? ever run low on faith? ever sin again?
How can one sin again if infused with the Holy Spirit upon belief?
Wouldn't Holy Spirit baptism make one divine? if not why not?
Rather confussing, but questions that come from inquiring minds

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #130 on: Mon Feb 13, 2012 - 07:00:37 »
Do you understand what it was that Jesus overcame? What precisely was the agony he experienced till his baptism was accomplished ? Luke 12:50


 

     
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