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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #120 on: December 21, 2011, 10:27:32 PM »
Heb 2:16

He took on the seed of abraham, this is a very important truth here, and when duly considered, it is plain to understand that its the seed only that shall benefit in the advantages of the Incarnation, sufferings and death, and resurrection of Jesus christ, the seed [ Gal 3:16] The seed of abraham are the True Israel, Spiritual, the elect of God : Gal 3 , Rom 2 Rom 9-11 ; Eph 2..

By It being said that He took on the seed of abraham, also means that Jesus did not come to Identify with and die for all of mankind, but only for a seed, a remnant..

By being born of a sinful woman and born into fallen stock such as Abraham, David etc

Why was this necessary?


It fulfilled prophesy. He was said to be the Son of Abraham and of David ! What say you ? Explain your own questions !

Why did God choose a man from a line of sinners to have his Son?

The scriptures have been presented you aonly need apply their understanding.

Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?

And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #121 on: December 22, 2011, 08:54:21 AM »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?

I never stated that, nor have i seen that statement in scripture, so you tell us why ? You keep asking questions about things you bring into the debate that has nothing to do with what I posted. Please explain your own bringings, or are you too lazy or something ? I take time to explain what I bring into the MATTER NOW PLEASE YOU DO LIKEWISE. Now show us where the scripture states that Christ had sin's flesh and show us how it fits into what I posted, and how it contradicts it. But do your own research , or maybe you are unprepared to debate your cause..
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« Reply #121 on: December 22, 2011, 08:54:21 AM »

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #122 on: January 21, 2012, 04:27:18 AM »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?

I never stated that, nor have i seen that statement in scripture, so you tell us why ? You keep asking questions about things you bring into the debate that has nothing to do with what I posted. Please explain your own bringings, or are you too lazy or something ? I take time to explain what I bring into the MATTER NOW PLEASE YOU DO LIKEWISE. Now show us where the scripture states that Christ had sin's flesh and show us how it fits into what I posted, and how it contradicts it. But do your own research , or maybe you are unprepared to debate your cause..

For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, (Romans 8:3)

For God to condemn sin in the flesh of his son what was present in the flesh of Jesus? If indeed "he condemned sin in the flesh"

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #123 on: January 27, 2012, 04:06:52 AM »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?

I never stated that, nor have i seen that statement in scripture, so you tell us why ? You keep asking questions about things you bring into the debate that has nothing to do with what I posted. Please explain your own bringings, or are you too lazy or something ? I take time to explain what I bring into the MATTER NOW PLEASE YOU DO LIKEWISE. Now show us where the scripture states that Christ had sin's flesh and show us how it fits into what I posted, and how it contradicts it. But do your own research , or maybe you are unprepared to debate your cause..

For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, (Romans 8:3)

For God to condemn sin in the flesh of his son what was present in the flesh of Jesus? If indeed "he condemned sin in the flesh"

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I wondered how long this post would sit idle without being answered.  It appears not one person in the theology section could answer and not the non-theology is silent?

What precisely did God condemn in the flesh of Jesus Christ?


And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #123 on: January 27, 2012, 04:06:52 AM »

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #124 on: January 27, 2012, 06:02:06 AM »
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I wondered how long this post would sit idle without being answered.  It appears not one person in the theology section could answer and not the non-theology is silent?

What precisely did God condemn in the flesh of Jesus Christ?

I don't know that it sat unanswered because no one could answer it.

I read through the whole thread since you bumped it up, and I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I find the method of interaction off-putting.

In a topical discussion, assertions are made freely, and people can respond freely within the agreed upon topic.

When the interaction is a continuous framing of questions, then people are no longer responding freely to a specific topic.   It's a variation of that old saw "He who defines the terms, controls the debate."  In this case, he who defines the questions, controls the answers. 

I neither like the sense of an ever tightening spiral chute to the questioner's predetermined destination, nor the sense of here's a cookie come this way.

:shrug:  That's just me.

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #125 on: January 31, 2012, 04:38:57 AM »
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I wondered how long this post would sit idle without being answered.  It appears not one person in the theology section could answer and not the non-theology is silent?

What precisely did God condemn in the flesh of Jesus Christ?

I don't know that it sat unanswered because no one could answer it.

I read through the whole thread since you bumped it up, and I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I find the method of interaction off-putting.

In a topical discussion, assertions are made freely, and people can respond freely within the agreed upon topic.

When the interaction is a continuous framing of questions, then people are no longer responding freely to a specific topic.   It's a variation of that old saw "He who defines the terms, controls the debate."  In this case, he who defines the questions, controls the answers. 

I neither like the sense of an ever tightening spiral chute to the questioner's predetermined destination, nor the sense of here's a cookie come this way.

:shrug:  That's just me.

Regards,
AsAChild




Eloquently written to mean I simply cannot answer or am I willing to provide one.

So what did Jesus have need to offer?

And to Whom?


And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #126 on: February 02, 2012, 07:35:38 AM »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?


He didn't, at least not the Jesus of scripture. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, not that He came in sinful flesh. You are speaking a serious blasphemy here, you know that ?

Rom 8:3

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The word likeness here is homoiōma:


that which has been made after the likeness of something

a) a figure, image, likeness, representation

b) likeness i.e. resemblance, such as amounts almost to equality or identity


Paul says the same thing in another way Here Phil 2:7-8

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Now since you made such a serious blasphemous statement, its on you to provide the scripture of Truth that states clearly that Christ came in sinful flesh or that He had a sinful flesh.
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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #127 on: February 13, 2012, 04:05:03 AM »
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Why did Jesus have sin's flesh?


He didn't, at least not the Jesus of scripture. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, not that He came in sinful flesh. You are speaking a serious blasphemy here, you know that ?

Rom 8:3

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The word likeness here is homoiōma:


that which has been made after the likeness of something

a) a figure, image, likeness, representation

b) likeness i.e. resemblance, such as amounts almost to equality or identity


Paul says the same thing in another way Here Phil 2:7-8

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Now since you made such a serious blasphemous statement, its on you to provide the scripture of Truth that states clearly that Christ came in sinful flesh or that He had a sinful flesh.

I would implore you to study the word likeness in its chosen context to discover likeness to actually means the same.

Therefore Jesus had to be made like his brothers in every respect (Hebrews 2:17)

I cut the verse in the hope you will dig a little deeper and come back with an explanation why Jesus was required to possess sins flesh - born in the line of sinners. The son of Adam, Abraham and David.

Sorry this response has taken me so long.

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #128 on: February 13, 2012, 04:17:13 AM »
When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. (Genesis 5:3)

Likeness has relation to capacity (mental and moral), whereas image relates to shape or appearence.  The original "likeness" of man to the Elohim (angels) had been marred by sin, and through sin had come physical death (Rom. 5:12).

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned--(Romans 5:12)
 
Jesus Christ was and is the Son of Man.

For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, (Romans 8:3)

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And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #129 on: February 13, 2012, 05:28:59 AM »
OK Insight, what did Jesus "offer" that made made you and me righteous to a holy God?
I ask this because Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:21 that He became sin for us ( you and me )
that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

When does this "righteousness" take affect?
Do we just say a pious prayer and ask Jesus into our heart and we become righteous?
I do not "feel" righteous how about you?
Did I pray long enough? was I passed over?

Now, if you are of the Catholic faith all you need to do is confess your sins to a priest;
go to mass at lest once a year to get another shot of faith from the Eucharist when you are running low.

There are those who make an alter call and get a new transfusion when their liquid faith is running low.
How about you? ever run low on faith? ever sin again?
How can one sin again if infused with the Holy Spirit upon belief?
Wouldn't Holy Spirit baptism make one divine? if not why not?
Rather confussing, but questions that come from inquiring minds

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Re: What did Jesus offer?
« Reply #130 on: February 13, 2012, 06:00:37 AM »
Do you understand what it was that Jesus overcame? What precisely was the agony he experienced till his baptism was accomplished ? Luke 12:50

And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.