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Where is God?
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I want to know where God is?

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #1 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 13:51:59 »
here -- as close as you want Him to be.  But we live in a world that is intent on pushing Him further and further away.  That will only happen for so long and then He'll call a halt to the nonsense.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #2 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 14:52:23 »
Thank you, but surely with so many people on here there ought to be more than one reply to such a question.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #3 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 15:13:18 »
God is everywhere. He is spirit. If you are a believer, then you have the Holy Spirit inside you.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #4 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 15:31:39 »
And if I don't believe than I do not have the Holy Spirit? If I don't have the Holy Spirit what do I have? And why is God a he, what purpose does God have with being any specific Sex?

Thank you again for your answers and honesty

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #5 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 16:14:39 »
God is a Spirit, that inhabits eternity, with no beginning and shall have no end.  He fills heaven and earth, and this earth is his footstool.   His power, wisdom, understanding, holiness acts/ways are infinite.  To get one started I would say this: Read Psalm 139; Daniel 4:34,35

"Wither shall I go from thy Spirit? or wither shall I flee form thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou ART THERE: if I make my bed in hell, behold thou ART THERE.  If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.  If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be LIGHT about me.  Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee, but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.  "  From the Psalms of David

David's Psalm are full of God's attributes, of which they cannot be searched out by mortal man. 

Books have been written that cannot even touch the hem of God's holy garment, concerning his greatness.  If I were man, I would fall down upon my knees and ask this great God to reveal himself to me~and all who seek him in truth and sincerity will never be disappointed, NEVER!  But those who are only asking questions just to mock and see if they can prove that this great God does not dwell and fill heaven and earth, then he will surely one day curse that they was born and will weep and mourn, as he cast them away from his holy presence in that day into outer darkness.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #6 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 16:38:08 »
I have no intentions of mocking anyone. I am simply interested in group discussion and understanding views of others. I am grateful for all points of views. May I speak from what the second verse states? I wish to share and discuss this verse as it is seen by me. Is this acceptable?

"Wither shall I go from thy Spirit? or wither shall I flee form thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou ART THERE: if I make my bed in hell, behold thou ART THERE.  If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.  If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be LIGHT about me.  Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee, but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.  "  From the Psalms of David



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« Reply #7 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 18:47:35 »
2Chron 2:6  But who is able to build him a house, since heaven, even highest heaven, cannot contain him? Who am I to build a house for him, except as a place to make offerings before him?


Job 12:23 - He makes nations great, and he destroys them; he enlarges nations, and leads them away.
Psalm 104:14 - You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth
Ephesians 1:11 - In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Matthew 6:8 - Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
Acts 17:25 - nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.
Acts 17:26 - And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,
Jeremiah 18:7 - If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jeremiah 18:8 - and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jeremiah 18:9 - And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it,
Jeremiah 18:10 - and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.

Psalm 34:15 - The eyes of the LORD are toward the righteous and his ears toward their cry.
Psalm 34:7 - The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and delivers them.
1Co 10:13 - No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
Matthew 7:11 - If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
Matthew 5:11 - "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
Matthew 5:12 - Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you
John 16:33 - I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."
James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.
Philippians 2:13 - for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Romans 8:28 - And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

Matthew 6:9 - "Pray, then, in this way: 'Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.
Genesis 2:7 - Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Acts 17:25 - nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;
Hebrews 12:9 - Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?

Romans 8:16 - The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
2Corinthians 6:17 - Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,
2Corinthians 6:18 - and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.

John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:4 - Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
John 3:5 - Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 - "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

John 3:16  - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Matthew 10:32  So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven,
Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Romans 6:4 - We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
Galations 3:27 - For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
2Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Eph 1:22  And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,
Col 1:18  He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
Col 1:22  yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--
Col 1:23  if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.
Col 1:24  Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions.

Romans 1:18 - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Romans 1:19 - because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
Romans 1:20 - For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.





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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #8 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 20:00:33 »
Travis you asked a good question regarding 'God in hell.'  The word in Psalm 139 which is translated 'hell' in some versions is 'sheol' in the Hebrew and translated to 'hades' in the Greek.  'Sheol' means, traditionally, the world of the dead.  It also means a subterranean retreat or a pit.  So the author of the Psalm simply means no matter how high up you go or how low you go, physically, God is there.  "Hell" is absolutely a wrong translation.  That is because hell is the one place where God isn't.  He reserved a place apart from Himself initially for the devil and his followers, but it is also available for those who reject God and choose to be away from Him eternally.  In addition, in ancient Hebrew theology, the realm of the dead had two divisions -- Jesus referred to these when He spoke of the rich man and Lazarus.  The place of the righteous before Jesus ascended to heaven was referred to as "Abraham's Bosom" or "Paradise."  This was also incorporated into the concept of "sheol."  So yes, God's presence would have been there, too.

And because God created  the time/space/mass continuum we live in, which includes both light and darkness, and He is therefore outside of them as an eternal being, light and dark have no meaning for Him in His own existence. 


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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #9 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 20:15:33 »
I want to know where God is?
God is in heaven.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #10 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 22:37:18 »
I am hoping more to hear what you have to say. I'm not interested in reading from scripture, I can do that on my own. I don't need forums to do that. So again, where is God?

And thank you for being so helpful

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #11 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 22:38:53 »
Very perceptive Helen, I like it

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #12 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 22:53:52 »
And where is Heaven? Do I need to go to Heaven to find God?

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #13 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 23:09:22 »
And where is Heaven? Do I need to go to Heaven to find God?
I believe Heaven is above our space time continuum. Superior to ours. You don't need to go to heaven to find God.
Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

God makes His prescence known in the lower earthly regions.


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« Reply #14 on: Wed Jan 01, 2014 - 23:24:20 »
And where is Heaven? Do I need to go to Heaven to find God?

No, or He would be completely out of reach for us, wouldn't He? 

However, e.r.m. is wrong about heaven being outside this creation.  We find the word 'heavens' in the plural in the Old Testament.  The 'im' ending of 'shamayim' indicates 'three or more.'  The Hebrews recognized, in this creation, the same 'three heavens' we recognize:  the heaven where the birds fly and from which the rain comes (our atmosphere), the heaven where the sun, moon, and stars are (outer space), and the 'third heaven' which was often referred to as "God's Throne."  In the New Testament, Paul refers to the fact that he was transported (and he states specifically that he does not know if he was in the body or out of it) to the "Third heaven."  The Jews would have understood this specifically to have been in the presence of God. 

But yes, it IS true that God is not 'required' to be in this creation, since He created it.  He chose to be intimately involved with it and not just watch from afar. 

However, "where is heaven?" -- all that being said above, I'm not so sure it is a physical place in this creation!  This creation does involve the spiritual, and I can only assume that spiritual 'places' are also part of it in some sense, since only God can be everywhere at once and there are a number of references to angels being restrained, sent, etc.  So your guess is definitely as good as anyone else's here (very much including mine!). 

But you asked if you have to go there to find God.  No.  He is available right here, right now.  That is HIS gracious gift to each of us.  The clue to it all is actually in Romans 1 -- you need to NOT suppress the truth that you do know, but follow it -- stubbornly and persistently.  God puts enough truth in front of every person alive, that that person can recognize, so that the person can follow the truth or reject it.  In the long run, following the truth will lead to Jesus Christ, who is God.  He stated, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but through me."  He was either lying or telling the truth.  And that is the major giant choice your life depends on.  What are you going to do with Jesus?  He claimed to be God.  Was he a liar from the pit of hell, a total delusional, or our Lord and God?

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #15 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 00:10:39 »
And if I don't believe than I do not have the Holy Spirit? If I don't have the Holy Spirit what do I have? And why is God a he, what purpose does God have with being any specific Sex?

Thank you again for your answers and honesty

  No the Holy spirit isn't in you if you don't believe. God is our Father the Bible says, and Jesus is male as well.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #16 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 00:32:09 »
And where is Heaven? Do I need to go to Heaven to find God?

No, or He would be completely out of reach for us, wouldn't He? 

However, e.r.m. is wrong about heaven being outside this creation.  We find the word 'heavens' in the plural in the Old Testament.  The 'im' ending of 'shamayim' indicates 'three or more.'  The Hebrews recognized, in this creation, the same 'three heavens' we recognize:  the heaven where the birds fly and from which the rain comes (our atmosphere), the heaven where the sun, moon, and stars are (outer space), and the 'third heaven' which was often referred to as "God's Throne."  In the New Testament, Paul refers to the fact that he was transported (and he states specifically that he does not know if he was in the body or out of it) to the "Third heaven."  The Jews would have understood this specifically to have been in the presence of God. 

But yes, it IS true that God is not 'required' to be in this creation, since He created it.  He chose to be intimately involved with it and not just watch from afar. 

However, "where is heaven?" -- all that being said above, I'm not so sure it is a physical place in this creation!  This creation does involve the spiritual, and I can only assume that spiritual 'places' are also part of it in some sense, since only God can be everywhere at once and there are a number of references to angels being restrained, sent, etc.  So your guess is definitely as good as anyone else's here (very much including mine!). 

But you asked if you have to go there to find God.  No.  He is available right here, right now.  That is HIS gracious gift to each of us.  The clue to it all is actually in Romans 1 -- you need to NOT suppress the truth that you do know, but follow it -- stubbornly and persistently.  God puts enough truth in front of every person alive, that that person can recognize, so that the person can follow the truth or reject it.  In the long run, following the truth will lead to Jesus Christ, who is God.  He stated, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but through me."  He was either lying or telling the truth.  And that is the major giant choice your life depends on.  What are you going to do with Jesus?  He claimed to be God.  Was he a liar from the pit of hell, a total delusional, or our Lord and God?
It's just a guess: )

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #17 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 03:28:33 »
Jesus said, if you have seen me you have seen the Father, so read about Jesus in the gospels and there is God.

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« Reply #18 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 03:30:28 »
So to believe is to embrace the holy spirit. That makes sense, but if I don't believe then I am without the holy spirit. What would be in it's place if I did not have the Holy Spirit?

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #19 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 04:24:46 »
So to believe is to embrace the holy spirit. That makes sense, but if I don't believe then I am without the holy spirit. What would be in it's place if I did not have the Holy Spirit?

Emptiness. Of course people fill that emptiness with many things such as money, addictions, power, fame, alchohol, drugs, possessions, sex or whatever you can think of. 

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« Reply #20 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 04:43:30 »
I am hoping more to hear what you have to say. I'm not interested in reading from scripture, I can do that on my own. I don't need forums to do that. So again, where is God?

And thank you for being so helpful


You want us to reason with you and discuss what? our understating of where is God? Believers can only speak according to scriptures, for therein is where God has revealed himself to his children. The scriptures are God's testimony to us concerning all truths.  If you do not want us to quote scriptures, and you believe that you can read them, and leave from there, and get what you want, why are you asking us?  It makes no sense.  For myself, if you ask me a question concerning God, then I can only give to you what the scriptures say, I have no other knowledge of who God is other than what he has graciously given to us from his word.  No man has the right to say anything, other than what is recorded in the Scriptures~it would be vain speculation to do so.

I told you that God is a Spirit, that fills heaven and earth, and he is and does~and there is no place that one could go, that God is not there, no where. If you want more than that, I do not have it, neither does any man.   Helen described the three heavens that the scriptures have recorded for us.  The third heaven where God's Son dwells in a human body which is far above all~ and that's all the scriptures reveals to us.

Ephesians 1:21~not only is Jesus exalted far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, but also the place is far above all, because when he ascended in Acts one, he went up.   So what, man is limited in his powers to only search out a little of God's creation, he will never be able to search it all out, besides, there is no end to it. This is where men have problems, their little minds just cannot comprehend these things.  This is true with both the righteous and the wicked~the difference being, we accept this by faith, which is a gift that God gives some, and not to others! 

So to believe is to embrace the holy spirit. That makes sense, but if I don't believe then I am without the holy spirit. What would be in it's place if I did not have the Holy Spirit?

The spirit of the devil.  This is not an opinion of mine, but God's testimony to us concerning each and every man.  Ephesians 2:1,2   Christians can and do speak what they have heard of their Father. 

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 09:13:52 »
I want to know where God is?

Travis, "where God is" is entirely up to you. Same as "who" God is or "what" God is. In asking others you will only get their personal opinion based upon their personal experience and relationship. As already seen, many will quote Scripture in an attempt to show you, but God exists without the quoting of Scripture. He even exists without referring to Him as "He". We only do so trying to provide the limits of our human minds with some rationalization that can be accepted within those limitations. If what you are looking for is some form of proof, then that must be found within you, not in the words or thoughts of others. God is everywhere and everything, but nowhere and nothing if you personally think otherwise. He is without your believing or with your believing, so for you, only you can make that determination.

 God says, "I am". And He is.  If you want proof you must find it within yourself.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #22 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 10:08:51 »
Travis, it's good that you are asking questions and not shutting God out.

God is... The creator. The ultimate being. He is AMAZING and more then we can comprehend right now.

What do YOU think God is Travis?

God is everywhere at all times. When we truly turn to Christ and repent, the Holy spit comes to us. It lives in us from that point. It guides us and helps us to grow in our relationship with our Lord.
It's very hard for us as humans to grasp how something can be everywhere at the same time!!
But that God for you! He is more then we can fathom.  If you sit and really think of all that God is etc, it's very humbling!!

God made us just to love us, and for us to love Him back.  It's that simple. Gods love is free and eternal for those who ask for it.

What are YOUR thoughts on God, Travis? 

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #23 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 11:58:38 »
So to believe is to embrace the holy spirit. That makes sense, but if I don't believe then I am without the holy spirit. What would be in it's place if I did not have the Holy Spirit?
It seems to me you are are looking for a physical God. A God you can see with the eyes, you can touch with the hands. Let me show you why no one will physically see God this side of heaven.

I'm not sure you believe in creation, but bear with me.

When God created man and woman in the Garden of Eden, it was a perfect environment. There was no good or evil, it was perfection. Perfection on a level that we find difficult to understand. They were created to live forever, without end, in their physical bodies. They were naked and felt no shame, they didn't need clothing. They were deceived by Satan and did that which God said not to do, they sinned. This is when the world as we know it was changed forever. This is when sin entered the world.

The Bible tells us many times and in various places that sin has separated us from God. This is a physical separation, not spiritual. If it were spiritual, there would be no religion on earth, no Bible to communicate with God, no indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

So you say where is God? God is omnipresent, he is everywhere at the same time. But to the believer he dwells in our hearts through faith. Faith is the substance of all things. Because sin has entered into the world, God has called us to believe in faith.   


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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #24 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 12:11:35 »
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So to believe is to embrace the holy spirit. That makes sense, but if I don't believe then I am without the holy spirit. What would be in it's place if I did not have the Holy Spirit?

first of all, no.  It is not a matter of 'embracing the Holy Spirit.'  He is a gift to believers, to indwell them.

Second, what is in His place?  You.  Your own sin nature.  The Bible tells us we are either slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness.  You are a slave -- we all are -- no matter what.  The choice we have is of masters. 

You also received a wrong response when you were told that in Eden there was no good and no evil.  Absolutely wrong.  God is good -- Jesus defined that.  There was good in the Garden.  Evil, however, is the result of disobedience to God.  It was there before man sinned, however, in the person of a rebellious, fallen angel named Lucifer, later referred to as Satan. 

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #25 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 12:41:44 »
I rather think you would do best to begin with Who or What is God?  If you can understand and trust in the first four words in the bible "in the beginning God"...  you can go a long way.  If you can not accept that statement you will have trouble all over it.  Knowing who He is and what He is capable of is where the rubber meets the road.  Knowing this allows you to trust Him in circumstances in your life. 

The Psalms do a great job of praising Him for His mighty acts.  If he can make an iron axe head swim, a bush to burn and not be consumed my little things are no sweat for this Great God that got a heathen king to give an awesome testimony when He delivered three Hebrews from a blast furnace without even the smell of fire on their clothing. 

And don't forget the witness that came from Naaman after the young maiden talked him into going to see the prophet and he submitted to washing in the 'dutty' jordan. 

My God is an awesome God, He reigns from heaven above...

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #26 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 13:36:35 »
To answer the initial question, I would respond simply, God is everywhere.  To elaborate more, I would say that God is in all places, but to different degrees.

To aid in understanding, consider: when you come to this forum and read this post later, I become present to you in one degree.  I was here before and you are reading my post now.  Another way I could be present is by interacting with you on the phone in a back and forth conversation that is happening in the here and now.  In that case I would be more present to you than I am if you read a recorded message from me on a forum.  The third way I could be present to you would be if I were next to you in person in flesh and blood, that is, time and space.  That is more present than a phone conversation. 

So to add on to corollaries, is God present "in hell"?  Yes He is.  To the degree that he sustains the immortal souls of those He created, He is.  In the opinion of some theologians, even the torments one receives in hell are a form of God's presence, distracting the damned from the worse pain of the ultimate loss of the infinite good which is God himself.

God is present in everything that lives, sustaining their existence in every moment.  In the baptized person, God humbly accepts the invitation of the baptized to come and live more intimately in his soul, a spiritual presence.  In the Most Holy Eucharist, God is present body, blood, soul and divinity and comes to the believer in an even more intimate way.  In heaven, a person is basically subsumed into God himself, the greatest amount of presence and beatitude and intimacy possible, while being in Hell, the damned has rejected God and yet cannot be free of God altogether, but experiences even less of a presence of God, the least amount possible.

So again, the short answer is God is present everywhere, and in every place God is present to some degree, and some places He is more present than others.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #27 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 13:49:59 »
And if I don't believe than I do not have the Holy Spirit? If I don't have the Holy Spirit what do I have? And why is God a he, what purpose does God have with being any specific Sex?

Thank you again for your answers and honesty

The Holy Spirit works with people through grace to help them believe.  So that is another mode of God's presence.  Once the person is baptized then they have a more intimate connection with God, an indwelling presence in their soul.  If you don't have the Holy Spirit residing in your soul, you still have a soul which is your life, which is sustained by God.

God has revealed himself as "male" to us to help us to understand Him, specifically to understand Him as Father.  In our interpersonal relationships, when we look at a good, healthy relationship between a father and his child we can understand how God looks at us and how we are to understand God.  God looks at us with great love as a good father would, a love which cannot end, a love which cares for us and at the same time is an active love, inspiring us to go out and be active in the world.  A good father encourages his child and provides for his child and stoops down to pick up his child.  A good father disciplines his child when it is called for and teaches his child about the world, and about it's dangers, while still encouraging that child not to hide away but to face dangers that come their way, helping them grow in maturity.

So in this way, God is "Father" though the construct is not perfect as He is over and above the simple human father.  And so the Father and the Son are shown to us using "maleness" as something to help our finite minds comprehend an aspect of God in a way that makes sense to our humanness.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #28 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 16:56:26 »
All such wonderful explainations. Thank you for speaking from the heart.

I did make a post about What is God? But it doesn't seem to exist, as it appears that the thread was deleted. Probably because I opened up and divulged a little bit about the way I see things. No matter though, I got what I needed thank you.
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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #29 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 17:36:48 »
If your "What He is" is in line with the Truth then knowing where He is is a breeze...

"He is 99 trillion trillion miles away and further, yet He is closer than your expelled breath, then the marrow in your bones.."

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #30 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 17:46:44 »
"Who is God", is a thing that I found to be so funny once I meditated on it.  What ever language including Hebrew is only a dumb down...  so that we can have an understanding of what He communicated to us. 

And all the languages that resulted from Babel and the additional ones add to the watering down process.

But if God is sought by a seeker, He will be found...of a surety...

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #31 on: Thu Jan 02, 2014 - 18:44:37 »
All such wonderful explainations. Thank you for speaking from the heart.

I did make a post about What is God? But it doesn't seem to exist, as it appears that the thread was deleted. Probably because I opened up and divulged a little bit about the way I see things. No matter though, I got what I needed thank you.

So, the truth is, you really do not care about what the scriptures said or what believer say?  Correct?  Who cares about the "way man see it"? Not me.  Man, at his very best, is lighter than vanity, and dumber than dirt, whose glory is like  the flower, that quickly passeth away.  From whence cometh man?  He comes into this world messing all over himself and leaves the same way! 

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #32 on: Fri Jan 03, 2014 - 01:22:25 »
Mr. Baker,

If I didn't care what you folks had to say I wouldn't waste my time posting these topics and speaking with you now would I? That's silly of course I care. It's shame that you see yourself so lowly, you are perfect friend. Speak and give yourself praise and you will reap the benefits, or stay in your despair. It's your choice, but my best advice for you is to love thy self.

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #33 on: Fri Jan 03, 2014 - 04:52:21 »
Mr. Baker,

If I didn't care what you folks had to say I wouldn't waste my time posting these topics and speaking with you now would I? That's silly of course I care. It's shame that you see yourself so lowly, you are perfect friend. Speak and give yourself praise and you will reap the benefits, or stay in your despair. It's your choice, but my best advice for you is to love thy self..

Travis,

By nature, I have no trouble thinking too highly of myself.  That's why God in so many places exhort and commands us not to do this!

Romans 12:3

"For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think;  but to think soberly, according as God as dealt to every man the measure of faith."

Travis, every day, I must rule my spirit to humble my proud heart to think soberly, and not to be drunk on my own self worth, which is no more than the the lowest of God's children.  We all are very quick to look own our own things and not on the things of others.  We get hurt when others are lifted above us, because we all have too of a high opinion of ourselves.  It is indeed sad, but true.  I see this in my little grandchildren all of the time!  They got it very honestly from their papa, and I from Adam.  So, I do not need anyone to tell me to love myself, it come very naturally, without any encouragement from anyone~it is in my flesh~God calls all of us to follow Christ, who, even though he was perfect, yet was meek and lowly in spirit, which a perfect man will be!

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Re: Where is God?
« Reply #34 on: Fri Jan 03, 2014 - 10:38:18 »
It's important to know thy self, understand thy self. Once you have become humbled by your soul, you can love yourself. So I say to you, is love not what we all seek?

God is love, the subconscious mind or soul

Devil is fear, the objective mind or spirit

What you are telling me is that I am the Devil, because I love myself. That seems very contradictory to what God is don't you think? You fear me because I tell you to love yourself, your one beautiful infinite self. You are created by God, the love and the light. From where does fear come from that? It does not, fear is the cradle of light. The abstract, the opposite, the yin and the yang. Positive and Negative.......is this not more clear?


 

     
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