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7 Day Adventist??
« on: Mon Jul 30, 2012 - 12:50:03 »
  Can anyone tell me if the 7 Day Adventist church is an occult? And/or what are the main differences between Christianity and them? I was just approached by one who, on the surface at least, sold the product and normal Christianity?

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #1 on: Mon Jul 30, 2012 - 13:24:32 »
  Can anyone tell me if the 7 Day Adventist church is an occult? And/or what are the main differences between Christianity and them? I was just approached by one who, on the surface at least, sold the product and normal Christianity?
You "buying" what people (either them or us) sell, or reading the Bible?

Not a very concerned way to look at your eternal existence, is it?

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« Reply #2 on: Mon Jul 30, 2012 - 13:33:24 »
  Can anyone tell me if the 7 Day Adventist church is an occult? And/or what are the main differences between Christianity and them? I was just approached by one who, on the surface at least, sold the product and normal Christianity?

Are they occult?  no.

Are they a cult?  perhaps.

They do have some strange doctrines (but then so does almost everyone else).  Where they stray into cult territory is with the veneration of their founder Ellen White, who is considered Prophet Extrodinair in many of their congregations; her writings being considered equal with scripture. To the degree they do that, they are cultish.  To the degree they have a more evangelical stance and downplay White, they are just a strict evangelical church that meets on Saturday.

That varies from congregation to congregation.

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #3 on: Mon Jul 30, 2012 - 13:55:34 »
Willie T - Not sure I am getting at what you are suggesting. That I am shopping for salvation? If so, not the case. I was simple stating he made it at least appear as a grace based denomination. In the brief time we spoke in the street, he "sold the product" (made it appear they were a faith by grace lone group). He didnt mention White nor did he mention any works based faith (what little I read claims they may be a faith by works group?). Mormons and JVW always come off as "normal" Christianity to get their foot in the door.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon Jul 30, 2012 - 14:01:53 »
Willie T - Not sure I am getting at what you are suggesting. That I am shopping for salvation? If so, not the case. I was simple stating he made it at least appear as a grace based denomination. In the brief time we spoke in the street, he "sold the product" (made it appear they were a faith by grace lone group). He didnt mention White nor did he mention any works based faith (what little I read claims they may be a faith by works group?). Mormons and JVW always come off as "normal" Christianity to get their foot in the door.
My point is to find what you think the bible says a church should be, then locate that church.

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #5 on: Mon Jul 30, 2012 - 14:02:39 »
DaveW - He did not mention White at all. Apparently they have some unusual beliefs on dietary issues? I am not interesting in join by no means. I do like to know who I am talking to and what they are sharing (pushing, selling, etc). Mormons and JHVW never touch on the major differences at first. 

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #6 on: Mon Jul 30, 2012 - 14:10:50 »
Willie - What makes you think I am looking for a new church or was looking at my eternal existence from my questions? I have clearly had no experience with the organization and after speaking with the young man wondered what he had not told me about the group if anything? JHVW, for example, never come right out and disclose their unbiblical beliefs. How can you counter the argument/discussing if you dont even know what their stance?

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #7 on: Mon Jul 30, 2012 - 14:27:30 »
Willie - What makes you think I am looking for a new church or was looking at my eternal existence from my questions? I have clearly had no experience with the organization and after speaking with the young man wondered what he had not told me about the group if anything? JHVW, for example, never come right out and disclose their unbiblical beliefs. How can you counter the argument/discussing if you dont even know what their stance?
By knowing where you believe the Bible stands........ not asking what others think about a group.

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #8 on: Mon Jul 30, 2012 - 14:52:25 »
Willie - Thank you for your interest and for commenting but again I am not asking about what the bible says about this group. I am asking if anyone knows what the theological stance of the group is (truly is). If they are a cult and what is it that makes them cultish. Based on what little information the young man spoke nothing major stuck out but again like I keep saying, it sometimes doesnt at first. Some groups are trained to avoid/side step topics they know would be contraversal for a Christian (not saying this group is or is not doing this). AFTER I understand what they believe or dont believe then I can take that information and compare it to the bible and what God says. He was vague and I just flat out know nothing about 7 Day Adventist other than he said they were Christains and he wanted to give me a book. Isnt this a forum to share conversations on these issues correct? and to ask people questions of theology right? Purely just a casual, Hey, anyone know anything on the topic good or bad? I know where the bible stands on issues I just dont know if this group has issues or what they are if they do. Thats why I am here asking not asking where the answers to those issue questions are- I already know that answer.

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #9 on: Wed Aug 01, 2012 - 09:24:39 »
DaveW - He did not mention White at all. Apparently they have some unusual beliefs on dietary issues? I am not interesting in join by no means. I do like to know who I am talking to and what they are sharing (pushing, selling, etc). Mormons and JHVW never touch on the major differences at first.

As to White - no they are not going to bring her up until later, after you are in.

As to food - they are vegetarian or vegan, but theoretically it is not a doctrine but a health issue.  They also avoid caffene drinks like coffee and tea and pop. (taking drugs)

They do tend to treat it like a doctrine however.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Aug 01, 2012 - 09:50:56 »
DaveW - He did not mention White at all. Apparently they have some unusual beliefs on dietary issues? I am not interesting in join by no means. I do like to know who I am talking to and what they are sharing (pushing, selling, etc). Mormons and JHVW never touch on the major differences at first.

As to White - no they are not going to bring her up until later, after you are in.

As to food - they are vegetarian or vegan, but theoretically it is not a doctrine but a health issue.  They also avoid caffene drinks like coffee and tea and pop. (taking drugs)

They do tend to treat it like a doctrine however.

So, then the stands on dietary standards, caffeine, and pop vary as well?

This has been an interesting read for me...I've often wondered because we know some who really seem to allow grace in the nonessentials of what to eat or drink (NOT day of worship, however...we just don't talk about it  ::giggle:: and focus on what we have in common which is our love for the Lord) and I have never heard them reference E.White, only the word...BUT...we also know some who are SO strict about Sabbath they miss out on weddings, on kids performances at public school on a Friday night, STRICT dietary restrictions etc ::shrug::

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #11 on: Wed Aug 01, 2012 - 10:07:48 »
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So, then the stands on dietary standards, caffeine, and pop vary as well?
Somewhat. I grew up near Andrews University (a major SDA college) and can tell you that the variance is more on the individual, not so much the church.

I have an SDA aunt (from Korea) who attends the Korean congregation in Berrian Springs and often has dinner parties for her fellow congregants and serves meat. (including some I will not eat as  a Messianic)

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #12 on: Wed Aug 01, 2012 - 10:09:30 »
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So, then the stands on dietary standards, caffeine, and pop vary as well?
Somewhat. I grew up near Andrews University (a major SDA college) and can tell you that the variance is more on the individual, not so much the church.

I have an SDA aunt (from Korea) who attends the Korean congregation in Berrian Springs and often has dinner parties for her fellow congregants and serves meat. (including some I will not eat as  a Messianic)
::nodding:: interesting...thanks!  ::smile::

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Re: 7 Day Adventist??
« Reply #13 on: Tue Oct 02, 2012 - 08:20:47 »
DaveW - He did not mention White at all. Apparently they have some unusual beliefs on dietary issues? I am not interesting in join by no means. I do like to know who I am talking to and what they are sharing (pushing, selling, etc). Mormons and JHVW never touch on the major differences at first. 
I do listen to their tv program because I find they seem to try to adhere to the Bible.  It's also the program prior to Living Truth Ministry (which I watch).
I've never heard Ellen White mentioned (didn't even know about her til I read one of the responses here)....perhaps they're trying to downplay her in their program?
  They do seem to push vegetarianism, they even have this cooking segment at the end of the show (which I usually don't bother to watch).
 

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« Reply #14 on: Tue Oct 02, 2012 - 08:38:09 »
There is an evangelical wing of the SDA denomination that downplays White, at times avoiding her altogether.   I believe that Andrews is in that wing.   Loma Linda OTOH seems to be more traditionalist and White-centric.

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« Reply #15 on: Sat Jan 12, 2013 - 18:31:17 »
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So, then the stands on dietary standards, caffeine, and pop vary as well?
Somewhat. I grew up near Andrews University (a major SDA college) and can tell you that the variance is more on the individual, not so much the church.

I have an SDA aunt (from Korea) who attends the Korean congregation in Berrian Springs and often has dinner parties for her fellow congregants and serves meat. (including some I will not eat as  a Messianic)

I went to Andrews University from 1999-2001 and I was surprised how liberal most of the people were. I was raised far more traditional than many of the people there.  There were also plenty of students who were raised very conservative who threw that off once they were away from home.

I worked in Korea for SDA schools for a few years. I was surprised at how most of the Korean Adventists weren't strict about dietary things. It was horrifying for us Western Adventists to see the Korean SDAs eating pork and shellfish.  It's such a cultural thing over there that it's hard for those people not to do it though.

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Jan 15, 2013 - 06:56:33 »
I went to Andrews University from 1999-2001 and I was surprised how liberal most of the people were. I was raised far more traditional than many of the people there.  There were also plenty of students who were raised very conservative who threw that off once they were away from home.

I worked in Korea for SDA schools for a few years. I was surprised at how most of the Korean Adventists weren't strict about dietary things. It was horrifying for us Western Adventists to see the Korean SDAs eating pork and shellfish.  It's such a cultural thing over there that it's hard for those people not to do it though.

Andrews is squarely in the "evangelical" camp of the SDA and to the old-line conservatives it would appear quite liberal.  That was not always the case.  Back in the 1960s it was the epicenter for conservative SDA.

If you were in the Berrien Springs Korean community you probably met my aunt.

 

     
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