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« on: Tue Apr 19, 2011 - 16:12:27 »
What do you know about angles ?

I know one thing  I was taught in grade school  that is not really true.

We have a guardian angel with us to protect us ?

That I know longer believe !


  1 Cor 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

 


Now I wish I could show this to a lot of lady's......
they sure think different these day's.

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« Reply #1 on: Tue Apr 19, 2011 - 16:21:37 »
Tell us---at what age do our angels leave us?

Matthew 18:10
Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.


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« Reply #2 on: Tue Apr 19, 2011 - 20:11:25 »
We never have them  !   

God made them for a different reason. 

In time past they were to bring messages  back and forth !

There are no female angles !  Only those who work for Satan

They have no wings ! 

No baby angles


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« Reply #3 on: Tue Apr 19, 2011 - 20:45:55 »
We never have them  !  

So, are you saying that Jesus is lying? How is that?


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God made them for a different reason.  

What are all the reasons for which God created ANGELS (correctly spelled, btw)?

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In time past they were to bring messages  back and forth !

They still bring messages.

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There are no female angles !  Only those who work for Satan

There are no male or female angels.

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They have no wings !  

That is correct.

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No baby angles

That is correct.






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« Reply #4 on: Tue Apr 19, 2011 - 20:46:51 »
Tell us---at what age do our angels leave us?

Matthew 18:10
Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.



Please explain this verse and tell us all when the angels assigned to us leave us.

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« Reply #5 on: Wed Apr 20, 2011 - 05:24:48 »


     Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in     heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
   


Understand the verse please !

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Apr 20, 2011 - 05:30:26 »
       
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       Tell us---at what age do our angels leave us?

Matthew 18:10
Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.




Please explain this verse and tell us all when the angels assigned to us leave us.     

Were or were does it say we have them ? 

Please understand the bible , in what it is saying ! 
Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

              

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Apr 20, 2011 - 05:57:03 »

I agree that there are no female angels, or baby angels.

Angels do have wings.

The sound of the wings of the cherubim could be heard as far away as the outer court, like the voice of God Almighty when he speaks.
Ezekiel 10:5

The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be
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Exodus 25:20


My understanding of scripture is that chldren definitely have angels. Not sure when these angels leave (perhaps at the age of accountability?) but as christians God says He gives His angels charge over us.

Hebrews 1:14: “Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; Psalm 91:11


Ezek 10:4  Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD'S glory.
 


They are cherub  not a angle

  Psa 91:9  Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
   


I believe that most people do not understand  "Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth .
[ll Timothy 2:15
 
 
Time Past ~ Ephesians 2:11,12   "Prophecy"   Gen. - - Malachi

But Now  Ephesians 2:13  - "Mystery"   -  "GRACE"  --  Romans - Philemon

Ages to Come  Ephesians 2:7 -  "Prophecy"  -  Hebrews -  Revelation

 


God is not dealing with people today , as HE did before or in the time to come.

The bible will open up to you more with understanding once you know this. 

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« Reply #8 on: Wed Apr 20, 2011 - 10:30:41 »
Grams, what is your understanding of Matthew 18:10?

Hello ChristsPrincess,

First of all, look at the time !  They followed different things back in those days.
Things were so different.   

Mat 18:9  And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
 


Do we pluck out eyes ?   Do we have the apostles to talk to us ?
Does God put dreams in our head to talk to us ?

We do not have the apostles now a day's
Or even Paul who was for the Gentiles.
But we do have their word.  In our bible.  But we have to know, who is talking !
And to whom !
And then you can see how different the time is now  !

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« Reply #9 on: Wed Apr 20, 2011 - 10:33:22 »
Grams, Cherubim are angels, they are just a type of angel just like Seraphim.

Hello ChristsPrincess, 

They are in heaven not on this earth ! 

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« Reply #10 on: Thu Apr 21, 2011 - 01:04:17 »


    Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in     heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
  


Understand the verse please !

Do you understand that we have angels from birth and that these angels are always in the presence of God?

Matthew 18:10
“Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father

Can you please explain why it says 'their angels'

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Apr 21, 2011 - 05:17:14 »


    Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in     heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
  


Understand the verse please !

Do you understand that we have angels from birth and that these angels are always in the presence of God?

Matthew 18:10


   Mat 18:1  At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:2  And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
   

“Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father

Can you please explain why it says 'their angels'


     Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you,    That in heaven [/b]  their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
           


  Lively Stone  said!
    Do you understand that we have angels from birth     


show me please !

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« Reply #12 on: Thu Apr 21, 2011 - 05:26:30 »
True, the Cherubim and Seraphim are in heaven. But there are other angels that are on the earth sent to believers.

They may be watching us to learn.

         1 Cor 6:2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Cor 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1 Cor 6:4  If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
       

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« Reply #13 on: Thu Apr 21, 2011 - 15:48:59 »


    Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in     heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
  


Understand the verse please !

Do you understand that we have angels from birth and that these angels are always in the presence of God?

Matthew 18:10


   Mat 18:1  At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:2  And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
   

“Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father

Can you please explain why it says 'their angels'


     Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you,    That in heaven [/b]  their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
           


  Lively Stone  said!
    Do you understand that we have angels from birth     


show me please !

Jesus Himself says that they have angels! Do you not understand what 'their' means? It indicates POSSESSION. We possess angels who are in the presence of God continuously...in other words, they are with us but exist in the spirit realm constantly, always beholding the face of God, but ministering to us and on our behalf always.

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« Reply #14 on: Thu Apr 21, 2011 - 15:54:52 »
Angels don't need to learn anything from us.
I'm not sure how we will be judging angels one day, it's a mystery to me, but one day I'll find out.  ::smile::


You are right. Angels do not need to learn anything from us. They witness how we serve God and fail Him and they wonder what in the world? They cannot fathom how we have a Father who loves us so, yet we tend to do our own thing.

We will be over the angels in the Kingdom because we are joint heirs with Christ, and will have His standing when we literally come into the Kingdom.

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Apr 21, 2011 - 16:35:51 »
Let me put it this way then,  every thing  in the verses is talking about time past !

And in heaven !

when Paul  became the apostle to the  Gentiles, things changed !

Back in the time of Christ, the Angles were messengers.
But now that is time past.
  God is not working with us as He once did at that time.

Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth.

A time Past, but now, and ages to come.

When you  pay attention to who is talking and to whom.  It does change and makes it clear what is going on.  

Maybe this link will help you ?   I sure do hope so.

http://enjoythebible.org/timeline.html

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Apr 21, 2011 - 16:47:56 »
Let me put it this way then,  every thing  in the verses is talking about time past !

And in heaven !

when Paul  became the apostle to the  Gentiles, things changed !

Back in the time of Christ, the Angles were messengers.
But now that is time past.
  God is not working with us as He once did at that time.

Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth.

A time Past, but now, and ages to come.

When you  pay attention to who is talking and to whom.  It does change and makes it clear what is going on.  

Maybe this link will help you ?   I sure do hope so.

http://enjoythebible.org/timeline.html


There is no change in God's economy since Christ. We are living in the Church Age, now and angels are still used by God to deliver messages and to minister to His people every day---just as they did since the beginning of time.

Hebrews 1:14
Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Apr 21, 2011 - 16:55:30 »
Hebrews 13:2
Don’t forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have entertained angels without realizing it!

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« Reply #18 on: Thu Apr 21, 2011 - 17:19:03 »


Acts 15:10  Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

 Gal 5:1  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 

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Acts 15:10  Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

 Gal 5:1  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 


What bondage are you speaking if? If it is about the worship of angels which we see a lot of these days, what with the New Age heresies floating around, by all means that is another bondage.

But we are not talking about that, are we?

Be real, and accept what the word has to say about angels and let it go at that.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Apr 22, 2011 - 16:21:28 »


Acts 15:10  Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

 Gal 5:1  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 


What bondage are you speaking if? If it is about the worship of angels which we see a lot of these days, what with the New Age heresies floating around, by all means that is another bondage.

But we are not talking about that, are we?

Be real, and accept what the word has to say about angels and let it go at that.

I am talking about what was before.
In this day things are not the same , and if you do more reading you will see
Under Paul things have changed, since the 12 apostles .
Every one is now a gentile.
  Acts 13:46  Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
       


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« Reply #21 on: Fri Apr 22, 2011 - 16:47:19 »
What do you know about angles ?


I think it's something we studied in geometry class.   ::eek::  I didn't know they had spiritual implications...

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Apr 22, 2011 - 16:49:43 »
What do you know about angles ?



I think it's something we studied in geometry class.   ::eek::  I didn't know they had spiritual implications...



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« Reply #23 on: Fri Apr 22, 2011 - 17:00:05 »
What do you know about angles ?


I think it's something we studied in geometry class.   ::eek::  I didn't know they had spiritual implications...

Oh, there are always angles, even in church.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Apr 29, 2011 - 17:22:21 »


    Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in     heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
  


Understand the verse please !

Do you understand that we have angels from birth and that these angels are always in the presence of God?

Matthew 18:10


   Mat 18:1  At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:2  And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
   

“Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father

Can you please explain why it says 'their angels'


     Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you,    That in heaven [/b]  their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
           


  Lively Stone  said!
    Do you understand that we have angels from birth     


show me please !

Jesus Himself says that they have angels! Do you not understand what 'their' means? It indicates POSSESSION. We possess angels who are in the presence of God continuously...in other words, they are with us but exist in the spirit realm constantly, always beholding the face of God, but ministering to us and on our behalf always.

My KJB  reads

   Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
     

It does say they are in heaven !   Twice

No Angels on earth  , but in heaven !
Angles have no wings.. 
  Isa 6:2  Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

   Isa 6:6  Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
 


Those are seraphims not angels .

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« Reply #25 on: Sat Apr 30, 2011 - 16:25:37 »
Just a few verses pertaining to good and bad angels.
And Paul was to show how things had changed , from the time
before Christ.

Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,


Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Ezek 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Ezek 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Those angels would most likely be female.

We were watching some old tapes we have , were a preacher is
explaining what a angel is and is not .
And these verse he had us look at.

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« Reply #26 on: Tue Nov 15, 2011 - 17:04:15 »
Angles are ministering spirits sent to minister to those who are the heirs to salvation., They are in our lives always and they do look into the affairs of mankind. Angles are spirits, they are not like us they do not feel emotions and have the same appetites as we do. They are the servants of God and do exactly as he directs them.
Satan was different, he had the ability to make decision's, and he had other angles under his command.
The bible is full of information concerning their abilities and purposes. There is so much info that it cannot be a debatable matter.

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« Reply #27 on: Mon Nov 21, 2011 - 11:12:44 »
What do you know about angles ?

We have a guardian angel with us to protect us ?
I know a lot more about angles than angels.  (I have an engineering degree)

I can give you the sine, cosine, tangent and cartesian coordinates for any angle and distance. I used them for years in my calculations.

All I know about angels is what I read in the bible.

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« Reply #28 on: Sat Dec 17, 2011 - 23:49:36 »
We never have them  !  

So, are you saying that Jesus is lying? How is that?


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God made them for a different reason.  

What are all the reasons for which God created ANGELS (correctly spelled, btw)?

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In time past they were to bring messages  back and forth !

They still bring messages.

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There are no female angles !  Only those who work for Satan

There are no male or female angels

angels ARE male...

Gen 6:1 talks of man multiplying before the flood
v2 the sons of god (angels) saw that human women were fair and took them
v3 god is angry at this
v4 this is where the giants came from - demon seed
this is why the flood happened - main cause

Amos 2:9 God is talking about bringing Israel into the promise land after exodus and clearing the giants before them (whose fruit is from ABOVE (angel) and root (human) is below (earth)
v10 showing exodus happened then v9

now we know that god says: just like it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the son of man - rapture - endtimes

now let's see if demons are once again part of being like it was in the days of Noah.

Dan2:44 we see kings and that god sets up a FOREVER kingdom - just after the end times

so look at v43 and it tells us that just like clay (miry) doesn't mix with iron

That THEY shall mingle (sex) themselfs (angels - fallen) with the seed of men (women) but unlike in the first time of Noah they made giants, this time they get frankenstein....

So we see that angels have sex with women so they are males.....


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« Reply #29 on: Sun Dec 18, 2011 - 00:04:59 »
Tell us---at what age do our angels leave us?

Matthew 18:10
Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.


just as long as you don't try to make this into a guardian angel that visits believers
as it says they are BEFORE Gods face (in heaven)

Our protection comes from the holy spirit within us.... And not some angel who visits us in our home etc..... You don't see any such thing for believers when it comes to a personal visit from host of heaven... But if you have visits it's from former host's of heaven.... I've read where people believe and accept guardian angels and get visits and even awake to see one watching you.... And they've been taught this is correct.... And it's not

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« Reply #30 on: Sun Dec 18, 2011 - 00:36:57 »
Let me put it this way then,  every thing  in the verses is talking about time past !

And in heaven !

when Paul  became the apostle to the  Gentiles, things changed !

Back in the time of Christ, the Angles were messengers.
But now that is time past.
  God is not working with us as He once did at that time.

Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth.

A time Past, but now, and ages to come.

When you  pay attention to who is talking and to whom.  It does change and makes it clear what is going on.  

Maybe this link will help you ?   I sure do hope so.

http://enjoythebible.org/timeline.html


There is no change in God's economy since Christ. We are living in the Church Age, now and angels are still used by God to deliver messages and to minister to His people every day---just as they did since the beginning of time.

Hebrews 1:14
Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.



heb 1:14 doesn't say this. It says they are sent forth to minister FOR us not TO us

the Greek word Diakoneo which means (attendance - as a servant)




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Re: Angles
« Reply #31 on: Sun Dec 18, 2011 - 00:43:53 »
Hebrews 13:2
Don’t forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have entertained angels without realizing it!


this shows interaction with an angel CAN happen but this is not what grams was talking about

guardian angels are personal angels who VISIT you as opposed to having angels that have face time with God for you.... A one time visit with a show up anytime visits

angels DO NOT interact with you for no reason while I've read guardian angel story that simply have them watching you sleep? You awaken to something watching you... No thanks

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Re: Angles
« Reply #32 on: Fri Dec 30, 2011 - 07:04:59 »
So we see that angels have sex with women so they are males.....
That may or may not be so.  Either way it does not establish gender for ALL angels. Most in the bible are described as male, but Jesus says that the angels in heaven "neither marry or are given in marraige." That would seem to indicate that both genders of angels exist as "given in marriage" was indicative of females.

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Re: Angles
« Reply #33 on: Sat Jan 07, 2012 - 15:38:47 »
Well as  growing up  in religion  I was thought  you have a devil on one side and a
angel on the other.

Which I did believe , till  we changed to just a plain bible church.

And I believe that no more ! 

God may and can do what ever HE wants to do.   But in these day's HE is no longer
doing the things HE did in the past !

HE gives us a mind  to do as we please, right or wrong !    We are not puppets......

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Re: Angles
« Reply #34 on: Sat Jan 07, 2012 - 15:54:10 »
So we see that angels have sex with women so they are males.....
That may or may not be so.  Either way it does not establish gender for ALL angels. Most in the bible are described as male, but Jesus says that the angels in heaven "neither marry or are given in marraige." That would seem to indicate that both genders of angels exist as "given in marriage" was indicative of females.
incubus and succubus.Male and female devils or fallen angels

 

     
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