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Appearances of Jehovah in the Old Testament as the Son of God

John 6:46

1. To Adam in the Garden of Eden. Genesis 3:8. ‘They heard the voice of the LORD God walking in…’
2. To the Tower of Babel. Genesis 11:5,7. ‘The LORD came down to see the city and the tower..’
3. To Abram. Genesis 12:7.‘The LORD appeared unto Abram & said, Unto thy seed will I give this land’
4. To Abram to make a covenant with him. Genesis 15:17. ‘a smoking furnace & a burning lamp passed’
5. To Hagar as the Angel of Jehovah. Genesis 16:7,9,10,11,13
6. To Abraham and Sarah to announce the conception of Isaac. Genesis 17:1
7. To Abraham to discuss the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 18:1,2,21,33 and 19:24.
8. To Sarah to conceive Isaac. Genesis 21:1-4. ‘The LORD visited Sarah as he had said…’
9. To Hagar and Ishmael when cast out by Sarah in the desert. Genesis 21:9-21,17.
10. To Abraham when sacrificing Isaac. Genesis 22:10-18,11,15,16.
11. To Abraham’s servant getting a wife for Isaac at Haran. Genesis 24:40
12. To Isaac forbidding him going to Egypt. Genesis 26:1-6.
13. To Isaac at Beersheba after digging wells. Genesis 26:24.
14. To Jacob at the top of a ladder from earth to heaven. Genesis 28:13
15. To wrestle with Jacob and change his name to Israel. Genesis 32:24-30.
16. To Jacob to change his name to Israel. Genesis 35:9.
Jacob recounts to Joseph how God Almighty appeared to him at Luz (Gen 35:6) to bless him. (Gen 48:3)
17. To Moses at the burning bush as the angel of Jehovah, as Jehovah God, to go to Pharaoh (Ex. 3:1-18)
18. To Moses to give him signs to prove to Israel that God has appeared to him. (Exodus 4:1-5)
19. To kill Moses in the inn, because Moses neglected to circumcise his son. (Exodus 4:24-26).
20. Recounted to Moses how He appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty. (Ex. 6:3)
21. To Israel leaving Egypt in a pillar of cloud by day, and a pillar of fire by night. (Exodus 13:21,22).
22. To Israel at the Red Sea as the angel of God to separate them from Pharaoh’s armies. (Exod 14:19,20)
23. To Pharaoh’s armies pursuing Israel in the Red Sea to take off their chariot wheels. (Exod 14:24,25)
24. To Israel, standing on the rock in Horeb, when Moses smote the rock to give water. (Exodus 17:5-7
25. To Israel at Mount Sinai, to give Moses the ten commandments. (Exodus 19:11,17-20).
26. To Israel in the wilderness as an Angel to lead Israel into Canaan. (Exodus 23:20,21,23).
27. To Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, 70 elders at Mt Sinai to give the 10 Commandments. (24:10,11,17)
28. To Moses in the clift of a rock to see God’s back parts. (‘Thou shalt see my back parts’ Exodus 33:23)
29. To Moses at Mt Sinai to get the 10 Commandments. (‘LORD descended in a cloud & stood’ Ex. 34:5)
30. To Moses & Israel in the tabernacle. ‘the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.’ (Exodus 40:34,38).
31. To Moses from the tabernacle to instruct on offerings. (LORD called unto Moses and spake’ Lev.1:1)
32. To all Israel. (‘the glory of the LORD appeared unto all the people. There came a fire out..’ Lev 9:23)
33. To Moses after the death of Nadab and Abihu. (I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. Lev 16:2
34. To Moses in the tabernacle to number Israel. (LORD spake unto Moses..in the tabernacle. Numbers 1:1
35. To Moses in the tabernacle.‘he heard the voice of one speaking to him from off the mercy seat. Num7:89
36. To Israel in the wilderness. So it was alway: the cloud covered it by day, & the appearance of fire by night.9:16
37. To put Moses spirit on 70 elders. ‘The LORD came down in a cloud and spake unto him..’ Num 11:25
38. To rebuke Miriam for criticizing Moses. ‘The LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.’ Numbers 12:5
39. To all the congregation when Korah led a rebellion against Moses. Numbers 16:19,42
40. To Balaam as the angel of the LORD when visiting Balak to curse Israel. Numbers 22:9,20-35.
41. To Moses before His death in the door of the tabernacle. Deut. 31:14,15. ‘the LORD appeared in tab’
42. To Joshua as the Captain of the host of the LORD. Joshua 5:13-15.
43. To Joshua and Israel at Bochim. Judges 2:1-4. (‘the similitude of the LORD shall he behold’ Num 12:8
44. To Gideon to deliver Israel from Midian. Judges 6:12,14,16,20,21.
45. To Manoah and his wife to declare the birth of Samson. Judges 13:3,9,13,16-18,20-22.
46. To Samuel as a boy. ‘The LORD came and stood and called as at other times, Samuel.’ I Sam. 3:9-14
47. To Solomon and Israel at Temple dedication in 1004BC. I Kings 8:10,11. ‘glory of the LORD filled.’
48. To destroy 185,000 Assyrian soldiers surrounding Jerusalem in 710 BC. 2 Kings 19:35; Isaiah 37:36.
49. To Shadrach, Meshach, Abed-nego in a furnace. ‘form of the fourth is like the Son of God’Daniel 3:25

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Re: Appearances of Jehovah in the Old Testament as the Son of God
« Reply #1 on: Wed May 02, 2018 - 06:55:56 »
Most scholars will debunk the assertion that Jesus walked on the earth or appeared in some form prior to His birth in Bethlehem. 

When scripture is stretched to the point that interpretations and assertions suggest conclusions that aren't immediately obvious or present in the text, the reader is walking a very fine line into heresy and error.   Literal interpretation of scripture is always the best policy.   The Bible interprets itself in most cases and doesn't need our help to do so. 

Fact; Jesus didn't appear upon the earth until His birth in Bethlehem.   Twisting scripture to suggest that He snuck in to have a peek upon the affairs of man prior to that point misses the point.   What is the point of Jesus' life on earth?

The Lamb of God came to the earth, not for an ancient photo op or celebrity teaser appearance, but to die upon the cross.   The Lamb is the sacrifice for sin, not a showboat for Christianity.  THAT is the purpose of Jesus' life and time upon the earth.   All scripture prior to that event point to the cross.  All scripture during those days testify to the cross and all scripture after the fact remember Jesus' sacrifice.    The Lamb of God came to die upon the cross.

Taken literally, the Bible does not testify to the appearance of God upon earth until the days of Roman occupation of Israel.   We should abide by the Biblical standard and not erect our own else we shall expose ourselves to heresy and error if not outright lie.

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Re: Appearances of Jehovah in the Old Testament as the Son of God
« Reply #2 on: Fri Jul 20, 2018 - 13:55:13 »
Although there is nothing in scripture to say that Jesus didn't appear to folks through the Old Testament period. There are times where it looks like he might have, Jacob when he wrestled with God, Daniel in the furnace.

Jesus did say, before Abraham was I am, pretty much saying that he was the I am of the Old Testament. In the first chapter of John it says he created the world, he was with God and was God? So why wouldn't he show up as Jesus.

God can show up however he wants.


God can show up however he wants.
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Re: Appearances of Jehovah in the Old Testament as the Son of God
« Reply #3 on: Fri Sep 11, 2020 - 07:29:00 »
Although there is nothing in scripture to say that Jesus didn't appear to folks through the Old Testament period. There are times where it looks like he might have, Jacob when he wrestled with God, Daniel in the furnace.

Jesus did say, before Abraham was I am, pretty much saying that he was the I am of the Old Testament. In the first chapter of John it says he created the world, he was with God and was God? So why wouldn't he show up as Jesus.

God can show up however he wants.


God can show up however he wants.

While its true God can "show up" however He pleases, it's also true God has established rules for such appearances.  These rules are expressed in Holy Writ.  Jesus was born in Bethlehem, executed in Jerusalem and ascended into heaven outside Bethany.  There are NO other accounts of His appearance on Earth in the Bible other than the thirty-three years of His ministry here.   There is a promise He will return to Earth, but that has not happened yet.  If it has happened already it would be in all the newspapers, so I'm guessing it hasn't happened. 

An example of heresy and error as a result of insinuation of personal ideas into Biblical text regarding Jesus' appearance on earth prior to His birth and following His ascension into heaven is the LDS.

The church of Latter Day Saints, also known as Mormons asserts Jesus appeared in western New York State to a person named Joseph Smith.   Jesus supposedly gave the Book of Mormon to Mr. Smith in the form of engraved gold tablets, which Mr. Smith proceeded to carelessly lose.   

My wife went into a panic when she lost a gold earring.   She turned the house upside down until she found it again, but Mr. Smith seems not to have been terribly concerned about losing an extremely expensive gift of gold - not to mention the original copy of a historically important document. 

The Mormon church, like the Roman Catholic church before it, has adopted a number of occult based images and ideologies as a result of its popularity.  Not least of these is the belief in an exclusive audience with Mr. Smith of the Son of God and/or his angelic body guards.

This is all due to one glaring mistake - NOT READING THE BIBLE AND TAKING IT LITERALLY with regard to Jesus' appearance in human history.

God may be able to 'show up' as He pleases, but if the Bible is to be appreciated as truth we must accept its words as truth and not make up our own to please our limited understanding.

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Re: Appearances of Jehovah in the Old Testament as the Son of God
« Reply #4 on: Fri Sep 11, 2020 - 11:49:07 »
Most scholars will debunk the assertion that Jesus walked on the earth or appeared in some form prior to His birth in Bethlehem. 

When scripture is stretched to the point that interpretations and assertions suggest conclusions that aren't immediately obvious or present in the text, the reader is walking a very fine line into heresy and error.   Literal interpretation of scripture is always the best policy.   The Bible interprets itself in most cases and doesn't need our help to do so. 

Fact; Jesus didn't appear upon the earth until His birth in Bethlehem.   Twisting scripture to suggest that He snuck in to have a peek upon the affairs of man prior to that point misses the point.   What is the point of Jesus' life on earth?

The Lamb of God came to the earth, not for an ancient photo op or celebrity teaser appearance, but to die upon the cross.   The Lamb is the sacrifice for sin, not a showboat for Christianity.  THAT is the purpose of Jesus' life and time upon the earth.   All scripture prior to that event point to the cross.  All scripture during those days testify to the cross and all scripture after the fact remember Jesus' sacrifice.    The Lamb of God came to die upon the cross.

Taken literally, the Bible does not testify to the appearance of God upon earth until the days of Roman occupation of Israel.   We should abide by the Biblical standard and not erect our own else we shall expose ourselves to heresy and error if not outright lie.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

How about quoting and referencing some of those "scholars". I can quote some to the opposite effect of your post if you would like.

1Co 10:1  Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


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