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« on: May 14, 2009, 11:11:22 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 08:14:04 PM »


1 Corinthians 1:10  Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 3:4  For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
 
Today one says they are Assemblies of God, Baptist, another Catholic, Church of Christ, and Methodist, etc; are ye not carnal?

What can you debate about that? Have you put your name on some church's membership role taking some other head other than Jesus? I thought all those in Christ were members of the same body. 1 Corinthians 12:20  But now are they many members, yet but one body.
 
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 06:58:30 AM »

Very true Larry which just proves the origin of the christian religious institution and all of it's proponents, sects and denominations.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 09:38:18 AM »

I have no idea what you asked but any "denomination" that has Christ at its center is okay in my book.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2009, 12:30:47 PM »

Very true Larry which just proves the origin of the christian religious institution and all of it's proponents, sects and denominations.

It is when individuals reject authority and embrace their own personal scripture interpretations that DISunity and denominations come into the picture.

History bears this out. In 500 years, protestantism, based on Sola Scriptura, has fractured into thousands of denominations. This stands in stark contrast to the 2000 year old Catholic Church, over one billion strong - 1/6 of the world's population

Those are facts.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2009, 01:39:20 PM »

Very true Larry which just proves the origin of the christian religious institution and all of it's proponents, sects and denominations.
History bears this out. In 500 years, protestantism, based on Sola Scriptura, has fractured into thousands of denominations. This stands in stark contrast to the 2000 year old Catholic Church, over one billion strong - 1/6 of the world's population

...which is, itself, fractured from the Orthodox Churches.

The Roman Catholic Church in its present form is not 2000 years old.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2009, 01:39:20 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2009, 01:53:33 PM »

1054 is if I remember, when the RCC removed itself from the rest of the Apostolic lines and set out on its own.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2009, 02:14:45 PM »

The Roman Catholic Church in its present form is not 2000 years old.

That is a false statement. The popes (i.e the bishops of Rome) form an unbroken line back to Peter, the first pope & first bishop of Rome.

Christ's Church is Catholic. No personal opinion can change that eternal truth
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2009, 02:23:30 PM »

The Roman Catholic Church in its present form is not 2000 years old.

That is a false statement. The popes (i.e the bishops of Rome) form an unbroken line back to Peter, the first pope & first bishop of Rome.

Christ's Church is Catholic. No personal opinion can change that eternal truth

There is no proof... and using biblical chronology.. that Peter was ever in Rome... Paul in all his vast writings never once indicated that Peter was ever in Rome.

The Catholic Church began in Jerusalem.. by Peter.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 02:32:36 PM »

1054 is if I remember, when the RCC removed itself from the rest of the Apostolic lines and set out on its own.

"Removed itself"?  That is an interesting statement, to say the least.  Even the Eastern Orthodox do not say that, and neither do we Catholics.  

1.  By the time of the great schism of 1054 there had been 154 Popes of the Church, many of them were from the East and are still regarded as Saints by the E.O.'s.  Even if you take the spin of some Protestant's on the Papacy, it had been a well established fact for centuries by the time of the schism with many powerful Popes preceding HH Leo IX.

2.   You are completely incorrect as to, "removing itself from the rest of the Apostolic lines".  The Catholic Church and the Orthodox, completely accept the validity of our respective Apostolic lines of authority.  Orthodox Bishops and Priests are completely valid in the Catholic Church and any Catholic can receive the sacraments from them.  As a matter of discipline, we generally do not without the specific permission of whatever local Orthodox Ordinary's jurisdiction we are in, as they have no central authority, but, for example, as there are few Orthodox chaplains available in the military, Catholic chaplains administer the sacraments to Orthodox servicemen.  Additionally, the Catholic Church recognizes the Orthodox Episcopal authorities jurisdiction in Orthodox majority lands, i.e., the Catholic Church views Patriarch Kirill I of Moscow as the Bishop of Moscow.  The Catholic Bishop there is only for ministering to the Catholic population.    

As a matter of Doctrine, all the Eastern Orthodox are part of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.  Sadly, with Protestantism it is not possible.  
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2009, 02:35:27 PM »

So... it did unilaterally remove itself from it's peers did it not?... it went rogue.

And lets not start talking about Popes... as there have been quite some dandies in there over the years... it reads like a soap opera.. homosexuality, adultery, nepotism, betrayal.. the selling of the office.. multiple times.. etc.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2009, 02:40:04 PM »

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So... it did unilaterally remove itself from it's peers did it not?... it went rogue.

No.  Did you not read my post?  All Orthodox Bishops and Priests and their Sacraments are still valid.  We are in schism, but our "lines of Apostolic authority" are both valid.  Did you not get that?  

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And lets not start talking about Popes... as there have been quite some dandies in there over the years... it reads like a soap opera.. homosexuality, adultery, nepotism, betrayal.. the selling of the office.. multiple times.. etc.

...and this is relates to the topic....how?   Confused
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 02:47:57 PM »

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So... it did unilaterally remove itself from it's peers did it not?... it went rogue.

No.  Did you not read my post?  All Orthodox Bishops and Priests and their Sacraments are still valid.  We are in schism, but our "lines of Apostolic authority" are both valid.  Did you not get that?  

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And lets not start talking about Popes... as there have been quite some dandies in there over the years... it reads like a soap opera.. homosexuality, adultery, nepotism, betrayal.. the selling of the office.. multiple times.. etc.



...and this is relates to the topic....how?   Confused

Schism is just a way to cover your butts... you guys left and are no longer the 'true' church by your own standards... besides you cannot even prove peter was ever in rome or he appointed his successor.

It's kind of how you invented the word 'venerate' to try and cover up that you guys worship saints and idols.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 02:57:06 PM »

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Schism is just a way to cover your butts... you guys left and are no longer the 'true' church by your own standards... besides you cannot even prove peter was ever in rome or he appointed his successor.

1.  Your first statement is nonsensical.  I don't know how many times I can put this, but I will try again.  We Catholics do not say we are in schism, both Catholics and Orthodox say we are in schism.   Neither belives the other is invalid.  "You guys left and are no longer the 'true' church by your own standards", simply defies logic, we both consider each other the one true Church, we are just in schism.  I don't know how many ways I can put that their Bishops and priests are totally valid with us, and ours with them.  The last high level meeting took place in 2007 and reaffirmed that they accept the Pope as the protos, first Bishop of the Church, and the unity of our Apostolic Authority.

2.  Your second statement is again, off topic and for another thread I believe.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2009, 03:00:07 PM »

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Schism is just a way to cover your butts... you guys left and are no longer the 'true' church by your own standards... besides you cannot even prove peter was ever in rome or he appointed his successor.

1.  Your first statement is nonsensical.  I don't know how many times I can put this, but I will try again.  We Catholics do not say we are in schism, both Catholics and Orthodox say we are in schism.   Neither belives the other is invalid.  "You guys left and are no longer the 'true' church by your own standards", simply defies logic, we both consider each other the one true Church, we are just in schism.  The Orthodox, although in schism, are not in the same boat as the Protestants.  I don't know how many ways I can put that their Bishops and priests are totally valid with us, and ours with them.  The last high level meeting took place in 2007 and reaffirmed that they accept the Pope as the protos, first Bishop of the Church, and the unity of our Apostolic Authority.

2.  Your second statement is again, off topic and for another thread I believe.

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