This is a Roman effort at unity. Why, pray tell, should they not desire it? Let's use your same question: If you thought your church was The Church, would it be better just to write off all those Protestants, or should they seek unity? Hmm....? The fact that you don't like them; that you have a knee-jerk reaction against anything they might do is irrelevant. If both the Catholics and all the Protestants were praying for unity, who's to say that the Protestant version wouldn't prevail? Sounds like lack of faith to me.
Lack of faith in what, you, or Romanism? Obviously not the scriptures which plainly teach that God’s people are not to seek unity with those who believe and practice a lie. To the contrary HR, the lack of faith is on your part concerning the teachings and instruction of the Holy scriptures. They ought to being praying for the acceptance of the truths of God’s word, which acceptance would produce true biblical unity, not unity by way of compromise in ignoring disregard of the truth. The bible teaches that we should seek to be at peace with all men, not to be in unity with all men. There is a major difference between the two.
Inflected Form:plural -ties
Etymology:Middle English unite, from Anglo-French unit*, from Latin unitat-, unitas, from unus one — more at ONE
1 a : the quality or state of not being multiple : ONENESS b (1) : a definite amount taken as one or for which 1 is made to stand in calculation *in a table of natural sines the radius of the circle is regarded as unity* (2) : IDENTITY ELEMENT
2 a : a condition of harmony : ACCORD b : continuity without deviation or change (as in purpose or action)
3 a : the quality or state of being made one : UNIFICATION b : a combination or ordering of parts in a literary or artistic production that constitutes a whole or promotes an undivided total effect; also : the resulting singleness of effect or symmetry and consistency of style and character
4 : a totality of related parts : an entity that is a complex or systematic whole
5 : any of three principles of dramatic structure derived by French classicists from Aristotle's Poetics and requiring a play to have a single action represented as occurring in one place and within one day
6 capitalized : a 20th century American religious movement that emphasizes spiritual sources of health and prosperity
Etymology:Middle English pees, from Anglo-French pes, pees, from Latin pac-, pax; akin to Latin pacisci to agree — more at PACT
1 : a state of tranquillity or quiet: as a : freedom from civil disturbance b : a state of security or order within a community provided for by law or custom *a breach of the peace*
2 : freedom from disquieting or oppressive thoughts or emotions
3 : harmony in personal relations
4 a : a state or period of mutual concord between governments b : a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity
5 — used interjectionally to ask for silence or calm or as a greeting or farewell
–at peace : in a state of concord or tranquillity14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2 Cor 6:14-18 (KJV)
There is a distinct difference between a church that admits it uses both text and traditional teaching, and unbelievers. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're unbelievers. You are misusing the passage, which is a common tactic of folks who don't actually have a cogent argument.
Your right there is a big difference between the two. The unbelievers are more just before God than those who put tradition which contradicts the word of God above the same. They are far more dangerous than non believers. Professing to worship the God of scripture out of one side of their mouth, but believing and practicing the worship of other god’s out of the other side of their mouths. Christ and Paul had some things to say about tradition and those who called themselves God’s own but were not.8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Rev 2:8-10 (KJV)
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Rev 3:8-9 (KJV)
The Church of Rome has persecuted, fined, imprisoned, tortured, burned alive, buried alive, and straight up murdered countless millions of professed Christians throughout her history, all in defense of her traditions above and apart from scripture which her victims refused to acknowledge. Go to, put yourself into a trance, and seek unity with Rome. Your wasting your time trying to convince me there is nothing wrong with Spiritual Formation directed toward unity with Rome.3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Matt 15:3 (KJV)
Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matt 15:6-9 (KJV)
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mark 7:5-9 (KJV)8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col 2:7-8 (KJV)
Go to, seek unity with Rome and break God’s commandments by observing her traditions in their place. Go to, seek unity with Rome, and thus with the rudiments of this world also since Rome promotes and desires the same. I will have none of it.
You haven't argued breathing techniques or mantras. You have simply argued that spiritual formation and spiritual disciplines are of the Devil. Because of your deep-seated hatred of all things Catholic, you paint with too broad a brush - and in so doing destroy your own argument. For repetition to be vain, it has to be well, vain. If a mother has a child in the hospital, how many times can she plead with God for his life in the same prayer? Once? Twice? Twenty times? How many repetitions equate to "vain?" I suspect the major issue here is not the number of repetitions but the purpose of the praying - to be seen by men. You simply, again, choose words and assume they mean the same thing everywhere. They do not.
To the contrary again, it is a fact that members of many false religions, including Roman Catholicism use breathing techniques and mantras to bring themselves into an altered state of mind in an attempt to come closer to God. There is no instruction in scripture to do anything of the sort. Nor has doing such lead any of the deceived to a conversion concerning a greater knowledge of truth in relation to God, but only steeps them further into their own chosen deceptions. Go to, join them in using their same techniques, I will have none of it. Seek unity with them through the same along with Rome, I will not.The Divine Breath, Prana
The breathing techniques, pranayama, taught along with yoga are based not on physical laws, but on the spiritual idea of prana. Prana is, in Hinduism, the divine breath of life, infused throughout the universe. It is the cosmic breath with which man has become 'out of tune,' and, pranayama, like the asanas, is accompanied by certain psychomental phenomena, (Feuerstein, pp. 26, 27) Through the use of pranayama, it is believed that one is enhancing the flow of life force (Melton, p. 147). Breath control and breathing exercises often induce a light trance in the practitioner. http://www.christiananswersforthenewage.org/Articles_Yoga.htmlThe Hindu Connection:
Meditation as taught and practiced today in the West originates from practices and beliefs of Hinduism and Buddhism. In Hinduism, the goal of meditation is to realize that one's personal identity is a barrier to the truth that the real self is part of the divine godhead, which is ultimate reality.1
The mind in both Hinduism & Buddhism is seen as part of the material body and therefore a barrier to spiritual enlightenment.2 Meditation is designed to bypass the mind, using special breathing techniques.3 The ultimate goal is samadhi with no cognition, or absorption into a state of pure consciousness through disengaging the mind and a loss of self-awareness and subject-object awareness4: "The mind which for so long stood between us and our true nature has been overcome."5 One of the most common ways this is done is through various forms of yoga, including the popular hatha yoga taught in the West.6 "Though their means may differ, all yogic paths seek to transcend duality in union" so that one's "mistaken belief in himself as a separate, unique individual apart from God will be overcome."7 Exhaling the breath is "the surrender of our ego" and the move from attachment to "non-attachment."8
This imported meditation is usually packaged as a way to relax or reduce stress. But this was never the purpose of meditation in its Hindu or Buddhist form. Sometimes taught with visualizations and breathing exercises, this "relaxation" exercise has many hidden dangers. The mind often goes into an altered state of consciousness, also known as a light trance or hypnotic state, during the meditation.9 The exercises are designed to bring this about. In such a state, rational judgment and discernment is suspended, and the mind is highly suggestible and open to any influences present. In one class the writer attended, a student who fell asleep was reprimanded because he would miss the "spiritual trip" intended by the exercise.
This state of mind is not the same as spontaneous daydreaming, quiet contemplation, or conscious, rational concentration. The euphoria or peace experienced by many at first is short-lived and deceptive. Instructors of these techniques who teach them as a spiritual discipline often warn students that psychic experiences and supernatural encounters are common, some of them frightening, and that the breathing techniques can be dangerous10. The effect for some people is similar to a drug trip. It is this state of mind during which one is supposed to contact guides from the spirit world.11
When another person guides one through a meditation, it is called guided meditation, guided imagery or guided visualization. This writer was first introduced to her spirit guide (called a spiritual master) via a guided meditation exercise. The class was told to repeat this same meditation for future contact with the spirit guide, and that at some point we would be able to contact the guide (or he/she contact us) without needing this process. The Buddhist Connection:
Buddhist meditation (also called "mindfulness") taught in this country to Westerners is usually related to Tibetan Buddhism or to Zen Buddhism, an atheistic/agnostic religion. The goal is to empty the mind and become detached from feeling and thought, eventually realizing there is no individual self.12 This is also the goal for every waking moment; the meditation (Zen Buddhists usually just call it "sitting") is practice and preparation for that.13 In fact, the idea is to have no purpose at all, but just "to be in the moment" throughout life, with no evaluation or attachment.14 This originates from Buddha's teaching that desire causes all suffering.15 Following one's breathing during sitting is supposed to make the student realize that "You and I are just swinging doors."16 Tibetan Buddhism, being a more esoteric and mystical form of Buddhism, utilizes breath control and visualization to train the mind where it can focus on Sunyata, "the essential emptiness of the phenomenal world," and reach states where "the sense of experience ceases to exist." 17
While this idea is appealing to those who fear they are controlled by emotions and worry, the result of this detachment can be a temporary numbing or false peace. The detachment actually results from disengaging normal thoughts, emotions and desires. Although taught as a way to deal with stress, this mindfulness is but a thinly disguised form of Buddhist meditation.
Jesus said, "I came that they might have life, and might have it abundantly" (John 10:10b). In the Psalms, we read the outpourings of the heart, both sad and joyful, and are comforted and uplifted by the solace found in God The Occult Connection:
The late Sybil Leek, a well-known witch and psychic, wrote that a psychic, while concentrating on a crystal during a reading, induces a trance both in the client and in the psychic in order to release "dormant psychic awareness."18 Another writer on occult techniques emphasizes the need for centering (another term for meditation and getting in the trance state) and advises that centering "may become more important than the reading itself."19 When it comes to crystal healing, an expert urges the reader to use the crystal to help achieve "an altered state of mind to access information which you otherwise wouldn't know" and that this altered state is also called a "trance state" which can allow one to "'see' the future or past."20
The trance or meditative state is basic to the work of witches, psychics, sorcerers, ritual magicians,21 channelers, and is used in past life regressions. It is the same state of mind reached with meditation techniques taught today. Some cultures/groups use drugs to reach this state. http://www.christiananswersforthenewage.org/Articles_Meditation.html
The success of a "methodology" is dependent on a number of variables, not the least of which is the purpose and maturity of the practitioner. Warren and Hybels also encourage prayer in their churches. Is that methodology also suspect to you? No, what Hybels has lamented is not urging people to pray, or to grow closer to God, but that they focused on and confused large numbers and church attendance with spiritual maturity. Their erroneous focus says nothing about the utility of various methodologies when used appropriately. You confuse the two repeatedly.
Methodologies are nothing, regardless of variables or the maturity of the practitioners. Prayer is biblical, and all God’s people are admonished to practice it by faith in the one who created it. Breathing techniques and mantras are not biblical, and the methodologies employed or maturity of the practitioners mean nothing to God existing and developed outside of His guidance, teaching, or example in Christ.
You again make assertions which are simply too simplistic. Perhaps you aren't aware that Pagans were praying before Israel did? Perhaps you aren't aware that Pagans assembled together before Israel did? Perhaps you are not aware that Pagans used rituals before Israel did? Everything you do has come from, or has been done by some Pagan before it was done in either Israel or the church. The simple fact that others do something is irrelevant when it comes to something that is effective or appropriate. Your "we can't do it because it wasn't invented here" is an intellectually empty argument.
Once again, you display a complete lack of faith in God’s word. Perhaps you are unaware that God created the world in six days and created the Sabbath on the seventh day to memorialize His creation as God to be worshiped by humanity. Perhaps you are unaware that there was no other God to be worshipped or to pray to until false religion entered the world quite some time after the fall of humanity. Perhaps you are unaware that the sacrificial system pertaining to Christ was initiated immediately after the fall, and practiced by God’s own in worship long before the Jews existed. Perhaps you are unaware that all false religion, worship, and prayer were preceded by the true. I suppose simple faith in the word of God is far to simplistic for you.
What is propaganda is the baseless assertions, and appeals to emotional re-activity based on an "us" versus "them" approach. You have repeatedly said things are Satanic or of the occult without once offering any indication of the veracity of those assertions. That is simply propaganda methodology.
Blah blah blah says Rh. If you want to deny the facts in relation to all the false religions involved in Spiritual Formation techniques and methodologies, which remain unenlightened in regards to the truth, and become even further steeped in deception through the practice of the same, go ahead. Don’t waste your time though, telling me such facts are untrue, and thus my assertions are baseless. Hog Wash. As far as I can tell, you are just someone who practices some of the shadier SP techniques, and are therefore here defending the same.
I have never said that only Adventists perceive issues with your various topics. What I have said is your simple assertion that these things are Satanic are baseless. As baseless perhaps as basing an entire denomination on some woman's visions - while decrying others' visions. Can anyone say, "hypocrisy?"
Ah, the old EGW diversionary tactic. Here we are RH. Enlighten us. Which Doctrine of the SDA church came about through EGW? Surely you can show us, unless of course your assertion is baseless. This is baseless, that is baseless, whatever I say is baseless is baseless. More hogwash. Here are some more baseless utterings - http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue91.htm#.Ug_GNX-jSSohttp://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_New-Age_meditation_centeringhttp://www.svchapel.org/resources/articles/133-spiritual-formation-movement/796-ignatius