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Title: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Mon May 09, 2011 - 08:24:33
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  larry 2 says.........

 Dear grams, it was not your posts that got the thread shut down. It had turned into everything we don't want on a Christian forum; everyone seems to need their pound of flesh.

I will attempt to keep a closer eye on the new thread you start. Thanks. 

I was told in my Question about the Pop being  ?  given a Saint position ,  why we are all ready Saints !

I was told I was not really  telling the truth.

and one thing lead to another.   I had mentioned I was a Catholic for some
50 years.
Did not want to hurt any one and was just telling why and how I left.

And then mentioned what went on in my Catholic Church.
To begin with in those day's you did not question a adult !
they were correct and that was that.
The parish  Priest ? Reverend ?  Owner ?
 
Was prejudice  !   He had  friends or what ever you want to call it in places that helped him.
He kept out of his neighbor hood  , who ever he did not want !
The nuns were not very nice, only a few.
I felt sorry for the boys, they were getting their hair pulled all the time.
The nuns had rulers and yard stick they used every day !

We were never told to use or get a bible !
We had prayer books and rosaries !
We had mass to attend every day but Sat.
And mass was in Latin and other speaking in Polish.
Which I did not know either......
Sunday they had us attend the one service in the morning which was in those
Languages.   But the later mass was in Latin , but the speaking of other things was in English which we could not attend.

How can a child learn any thing like that ?
And in school  I missed a lot being not able to go to the dentist, I had ear aches and  bad teeth.
I was made fun of and the nun did not care !
The nuns had their favorite, those who had money of course and we were poor that is why I did not go to the dentist or doctor .   
But all through that , I still stayed Catholic.
You were not allowed to go to any church but the Catholic Church.
One of the children asked if they could go to a wedding or funeral and the nun told them , you have to have permission.
Now this is only part of what I had to live with.
After , our children were born and in there teens, they started to go to other churches.  And finally got us to go.
All those years being a good Catholic girls , I felt I was going to hell !
And was afraid of death and dying.

We went to a church with no religion, just a bible church.
And I became saved.   Oh !  How wonderful that was to know the truth.
And it is there in the bible for me to see .

I do know the Catholic church has now changed !
But I could not go back after all of that .

If I had at least been saved , and not afraid of dying all those 50 some years.
I could go back even after all of the things I suffered through.

But not knowing the wonderful GOD we have and how HE sent HIS SON to the cross for all of the sins of the world , in who would believe is so GREAT  !
I never once heard of this back then.

Again I am not here to hurt any one , but to know how things were  back then !
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: larry2 on Mon May 09, 2011 - 09:00:36

Well, if you were lying, my wife must have been doing the same because she went through very similar things in Parochial Schools until her parents took her out of them after the eighth grade.

I always attended public schools so I missed out on the fun you had. I too really knew little of the bible in the Catholic Church, and of course we were told what to believe and what not to. Salvation? We had no clue to what that really was, and probably 99% involved there today still have no real peace or joy they could know if they would believe scripture.

I do not agree with many that don't think most Catholics are not saved, because most love the Lord and they just never learn what security they have in Christ, and just how much God loves them as to keeping them. The day all this finally sunk in to me was the greatest awakening of my spiritual life. What a Savior and loving God that has come to save that which was lost, and we are the recipients of that wonderful provision that paid the price we owed for us.

God bless you grams for your testimony and thanks in Jesus' name.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Wed May 11, 2011 - 18:46:37
Then you still don't understand it seems. We weren't calling you a liar. We said what you believed based on ignorance concerning Catholicism was false. Your belief was a lie.

If I say grams believes hell is the place where all non arians go out of ignorance isn't that still a lie?

We were simply trying to correct your misconception based on the lies contrary to Catholic teaching that you were taught.


The thread only went south because agitators simply refuse to let us even clarify misconceptions concerning our Faith without rudely attacking it first.

Go back and reread the thread grams. You will see who started the aggression and hostility in our conversation and who was trying to relay information.

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Lively Stone on Wed May 11, 2011 - 19:22:35
Thanks, grams, for sharing openly your experience. I have heard several people say the exact same things. They grew up with fear until they were introduced to Jesus Christ and given the truth that they are free of all encumbrances that they grew up trying to adhere to and maintain.

Jesus died to give you an abundant and free life! Praise God you have found Him!
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Wed May 11, 2011 - 20:15:13
Thank you all !

I am so glad our children were listening when some one talked to them !

I never did, I was told not to.

It was such a Beautiful feeling to become saved after so many years of
knowing I was going to hell ! 

I had never been so scared in my life time like that !

Thank you again for understanding.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Wed May 11, 2011 - 20:40:47
Thank you all !

I am so glad our children were listening when some one talked to them !

I never did, I was told not to.

It was such a Beautiful feeling to become saved after so many years of
knowing I was going to hell ! 

I had never been so scared in my life time like that !

Thank you again for understanding.


If you don't mind I'd like to know the name and location of your former parish and you can remember its pastor as well.

I'll let you guys hug each other and cry tears of joy for being freed from a Church that has no intention of keeping you separated from Christ.

I want the parish and leader who has forever crippled you from God's Truth and His Catholic Church.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Wed May 11, 2011 - 20:50:39

Is this how a Christian acts ?    You have no idea what so ever, what I had gone through..........

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  I'll let you guys hug each other and cry tears of joy for being freed from a Church that has no intention of keeping you separated from Christ.

   
I do not know if it is still there !  I know the priest is dead.

The church was Transfiguration  It was in Detroit.   
And if you read the news you know how bad that is now !

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Wed May 11, 2011 - 21:13:06
A Christian ma'am should not be dominated by experiences. If you are that weak that you can't see the Truth that Satan seeks to mask with hardship and persecution than go wallow in your tears. The simple fact is that the Catholic Church houses only a perfect doctrine in all things concerning Faith and Morals. Not perfect people, buildings, or even perfect experiences.

Satan will take advantage of that. He will try to place a black hood over that Light.

You praise God for your children's insight and you condemn my Church because it chained you down in childhood and baptized you in the fear of damnation. Let me ask you, what about when you reached an age above childhood? Why did you not take the time and study for yourself and see that our doctrine is nothing about fear and everything about the love of Christ? Why grams? Why did you have to ride the coat tails of your children's research?   
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Lively Stone on Wed May 11, 2011 - 22:53:06
A Christian ma'am should not be dominated by experiences. If you are that weak that you can't see the Truth that Satan seeks to mask with hardship and persecution than go wallow in your tears. The simple fact is that the Catholic Church houses only a perfect doctrine in all things concerning Faith and Morals. Not perfect people, buildings, or even perfect experiences.

Satan will take advantage of that. He will try to place a black hood over that Light.

You praise God for your children's insight and you condemn my Church because it chained you down in childhood and baptized you in the fear of damnation. Let me ask you, what about when you reached an age above childhood? Why did you not take the time and study for yourself and see that our doctrine is nothing about fear and everything about the love of Christ? Why grams? Why did you have to ride the coat tails of your children's research?  

Here you go again with your insolence!

grams is not condemning anything. She was sharing her experience which is shared by millions, by the way. I also praise God for her children. Often it is the children who lead parents to Christ by their experiences with Jesus Christ---and often it is in other churches.

People who are caught up in religion don't know enough to search out a matter for themselves because back then, years ago, the Bible was off limits. I can attest to that fact by my experiences with Catholic children in my childhood from the 50's and 60's.

Instead of helping her by hearing her and trying to understand her, you want to heap blame on her. That's like telling a rape victim that she asked for it.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Wed May 11, 2011 - 23:10:09
I don't know what you're reading but save the bogus misrepresentations for Maury or Jerry Springer.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: larry2 on Wed May 11, 2011 - 23:51:46

I don't know what you're reading but save the bogus misrepresentations for Maury or Jerry Springer.


Which ones?
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Lively Stone on Wed May 11, 2011 - 23:54:08
I don't know what you're reading but save the bogus misrepresentations for Maury or Jerry Springer.

There's nothing bogus in what I have said.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 00:10:13
I don't know what you're reading but save the bogus misrepresentations for Maury or Jerry Springer.

There's nothing bogus in what I have said.

No pretty much everything you say is bogus when concerning my Faith.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: larry2 on Thu May 12, 2011 - 00:28:01

Why grams? Why did you have to ride the coat tails of your children's research? 
  

Thank God she did LightHammer, or she may have turned out like you. At least she knows now that she is saved, while few Roman Catholics ever learn that even if they are saved.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 00:31:52
If I cared about the opinions of men I may have blinked twice at that petty remark.

Go ahead and join on the team larry that would explain why you keep locking our threads instead of mandating honesty and decency from those non catholics speaking about Catholicism. 

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Lively Stone on Thu May 12, 2011 - 00:38:54
I don't know what you're reading but save the bogus misrepresentations for Maury or Jerry Springer.

There's nothing bogus in what I have said.

No pretty much everything you say is bogus when concerning my Faith.

Perhaps it may be bogus to your personal faith, but yours isn't the faith we must live by as Christians. That is why what I say seems so foreign and antagonistic to you.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: larry2 on Thu May 12, 2011 - 00:45:32

If I cared about the opinions of men I may have blinked twice at that petty remark.

Go ahead and join on the team larry that would explain why you keep locking our threads instead of mandating honesty and decency from those non catholics speaking about Catholicism. 


All you have to do in those threads is to discontinuing the name calling, and I do think you are not entirely to blame.

Honesty? Here Sister Grams has given her testimony, and has ended up being attacked for doing so. If you don't want such witness, get your church to do differently; become Pope and change it, and then you too can wear cute little red papal slippers, white dresses, and funny hats.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 00:58:27
You guys seriously need to define what the protestant definition is for the word "attack".

If trying to shed the light on the false teachings she was allegedly brainwashed to believe was Catholic doctrine is an "attack" than maybe I'm dealing with Satan in more direct sense than I thought.

Grams has been taught this false idea of Catholicism and all we were trying to do is help her understand that such was not true Catholicism.


Larry I'm a little surprised at you. You and I have disagreed in every encounter but one but we usually are honest with one another. I know you watched that thread. And I know you saw whose posting destroyed the peace. I know you saw it. I may be harsh, stone and I may be short but I know I am honest. I know you saw it Larry because I have been through that thread five times already to make sure I wasn't high off of second hogie smoke cycling through my dorm's hallway.

You may count it as a blessing that grams is not like me(which couldn't be more True) but I know you know who drew first blood with the crudeness in that thread and who has been initiating such the most lately. 
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Joyfullee on Thu May 12, 2011 - 01:05:15
That was a beautiful testimony Grams, and I thank you for posting.  I'm sure there are many that will be helped through your words.   ::smile::

I have a good friend who grew up in the Catholic church and got saved when he was in his senior year of highschool through classmates who preached the truth of God's Word and he got saved.

He was not saved as a Catholic and he shared with me how he was always trying to be "good," by doing what he was told by the CC, because he was so afraid that he would go to hell.  That was what he learned in the CC.

Quote Lighthammer:  "If I cared about the opinions of men I may have blinked twice at that petty remark."

You do care, very much.  In your words you deny the compassion and love God would have us to walk in towards Grams and others.  In your words you prefer the teachings of the men of the CC over God's Word.

I am saddened by your conduct.

Blessings

 
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: larry2 on Thu May 12, 2011 - 01:24:11

You guys seriously need to define what the protestant definition is for the word "attack".

If trying to shed the light on the false teachings she was allegedly brainwashed to believe was Catholic doctrine is an "attack" than maybe I'm dealing with Satan in more direct sense than I thought.

Grams has been taught this false idea of Catholicism and all we were trying to do is help her understand that such was not true Catholicism.

Larry I'm a little surprised at you. You and I have disagreed in every encounter but one but we usually are honest with one another. I know you watched that thread. And I know you saw whose posting destroyed the peace. I know you saw it. I may be harsh, stone and I may be short but I know I am honest. I know you saw it Larry because I have been through that thread five times already to make sure I wasn't high off of second hogie smoke cycling through my dorm's hallway.

You may count it as a blessing that grams is not like me(which couldn't be more True) but I know you know who drew first blood with the crudeness in that thread and who has been initiating such the most lately. 
 

Let me ask you straight out Brother LightHammer, and I know you're a brother in Christ whether you do or not. Are you saved and assured that Christ will not leave you? If not, grams has learned and you have not; case in point. Maybe you need children to lead you also. She has given her testimony and there is no reason for me to not believe her.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 01:26:31
Joyfulle,

Judging me based off of one comment in a conversation that transcends this thread is not only foolish but judging by your discernment, or rather lack thereof, but very dangerous.

You don't know who I am or what you're talking about so apart from commenting on grams' testimony you really shouldn't address me if that's all you have to say. 
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 01:36:24
Oh yea most definitely I believed I'm saved and I'm hoping Christ will proclaim such on the appointed Day before the Father.

As for Christ never leaving me, I believe it whole heartedly. You guys aren't the only one's with testimonies. However I try not to let my past distort my present.

Like I said Brother Larry, I know that you saw who initially led that thread astray. I know you saw who's posts have been the source of recent animosity. I know you are seeing what I'm seeing. 
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: larry2 on Thu May 12, 2011 - 01:50:22
Oh yea most definitely I believed I'm saved and I'm hoping Christ will proclaim such on the appointed Day before the Father.

As for Christ never leaving me, I believe it whole heartedly. You guys aren't the only one's with testimonies. However I try not to let my past distort my present.

Like I said Brother Larry, I know that you saw who initially led that thread astray. I know you saw who's posts have been the source of recent animosity. I know you are seeing what I'm seeing. 


On the threads I shut down, I do know the problem, and it's going to have to be addressed, but don't make it a two headed coin.

As far as your present, God looks down on you and sees His Son in you; it gets no better than that. Now what you allow God to do in you has consequence of reward for eternity and that day before our Father has already occurred for us; we are a new creation in Christ. The only judgment you face is as you walk with the Lord now and avail yourself of His benefits for you. We are on the judgment seat now as He walks among the candlesticks, and when we see Him, his reward for us is with Him.
 ::smile::
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Joyfullee on Thu May 12, 2011 - 02:10:46
Joyfulle,

Judging me based off of one comment in a conversation that transcends this thread is not only foolish but judging by your discernment, or rather lack thereof, but very dangerous.

You don't know who I am or what you're talking about so apart from commenting on grams' testimony you really shouldn't address me if that's all you have to say. 

Your lack of love, compassion, understanding is evident, in more than one statement to grams.  Love one another is what God's Word tells us.

Your defense is of the CC, not God's Word.  God is no respecter of persons.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

Blessings
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Thu May 12, 2011 - 06:11:03
  Please let me add this !

I know the Catholic Church has now changed !   My point now is , if you had not lived this you have no idea what I went through .
Theydid not  use the bible.   In my time there were no bibles !  Even the one the priest had at the alter was not a bible.  It was a giant prayer book !

OK !  I went to grade school in the 1940's !   Were you even alive then ?

The only thing the nuns did for us is when we made our first holy communion that we knew how to confess our sins, using the proper words !
What child want to tell his sins ?  To another human being.
If confessing your sins was the saving,  I sure flunked out !   I was not going to tell a man what I did in secret.  What most children do growing up .

And my big point is growing up  like this you are always told what to do and what not to do .
   You could not go to another church with out persmission  even for a Wedding or a Funeral  !
How could I learn any thing else if I was told to walk away from some one who was telling me of their doctrin ?
They brought me up into adult hood !  Were my belief stayed  !
The church was right, there was no other way  !

I bet you did not think I would tell you the church I grew up in ?
I am not ashed, but the church shoule be !   And the R.  K.   I cant spell his name !
I do know were he is spending his eternity !
Even though he did all that he did , I am sorry that he has to .............
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Catholica on Thu May 12, 2011 - 09:30:07
  Please let me add this !

I know the Catholic Church has now changed !   My point now is , if you had not lived this you have no idea what I went through .
Theydid not  use the bible.   In my time there were no bibles !  Even the one the priest had at the alter was not a bible.  It was a giant prayer book !

OK !  I went to grade school in the 1940's !   Were you even alive then ?

The only thing the nuns did for us is when we made our first holy communion that we knew how to confess our sins, using the proper words !
What child want to tell his sins ?  To another human being.
If confessing your sins was the saving,  I sure flunked out !   I was not going to tell a man what I did in secret.  What most children do growing up .

My oldest child receives his first communion on Sunday.  He had his first confession in January.  Since then he has ASKED me to bring him to confession 4 or 5 times.  He loves it, and he loves to live in the light.

Who would not want to confess their sins?  People pay thousands of dollars to psychologists to get sins off of their minds.  There have been random secular apps that have appeared in the world today where people confess their sins to the world.

Confession, apart from Eucharist, is the greatest sacrament for the human soul and psyche.  I absolutely love it, and frankly I don't know how ex-Catholics get by without it.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Wednesday on Thu May 12, 2011 - 09:42:14
Hi Grams!  ::smile::

I am sorry you went through all that, and from stories I have heard from others that attended the catholic schools you are spot on!

I'm sure there are some good catholic schools, but they hide well, lol.  My neighbor was looking for a Christian school for her young daughter, and said the catholic school were very uppity to her and wouldn't even show her the school.  (Bad move on the schools part, these folks are loaded with money).  She is taking her daughter to a Christian school and not the catholic school after that experience.

I had a similar situation like you did growing up in a SDA school, not going into it but some very strange things took place that should not have.  My SDA relatives get all hostile when I try to talk to them about it, as did some members in the church.  Like you, I left the church and found some kind and loving Christians in other churches.  I really enjoy the Baptist churches, I don't agree with them 100% but do find them to be loving folks that love Jesus and allow the members to have the freedom to have a loving relationship with Jesus without a bunch of mandated church rules.  We confess ONLY to Jesus, I'm with you on that!  I never have understood the having to go to some "man" to confess and find it sinful and against what God teaches us ~ He wants us to have a relationship with Him and that is why he made us!  Sad the burden it puts on some Christians to have all the man made rules and man made "traditions" since that is NOT from God.

So glad you have found a church that you like and allows you to have a relationship with Jesus, May God bless and keep you sister!

In Gods love,
Wednesday
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 11:00:21
Oh yea most definitely I believed I'm saved and I'm hoping Christ will proclaim such on the appointed Day before the Father.

As for Christ never leaving me, I believe it whole heartedly. You guys aren't the only one's with testimonies. However I try not to let my past distort my present.

Like I said Brother Larry, I know that you saw who initially led that thread astray. I know you saw who's posts have been the source of recent animosity. I know you are seeing what I'm seeing. 


On the threads I shut down, I do know the problem, and it's going to have to be addressed, but don't make it a two headed coin.

As far as your present, God looks down on you and sees His Son in you; it gets no better than that. Now what you allow God to do in you has consequence of reward for eternity and that day before our Father has already occurred for us; we are a new creation in Christ. The only judgment you face is as you walk with the Lord now and avail yourself of His benefits for you. We are on the judgment seat now as He walks among the candlesticks, and when we see Him, his reward for us is with Him.
 ::smile::


I like that. Good stuff Big Brother.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 11:13:57
Joyfulle,

Judging me based off of one comment in a conversation that transcends this thread is not only foolish but judging by your discernment, or rather lack thereof, but very dangerous.

You don't know who I am or what you're talking about so apart from commenting on grams' testimony you really shouldn't address me if that's all you have to say. 

Your lack of love, compassion, understanding is evident, in more than one statement to grams.  Love one another is what God's Word tells us.

Your defense is of the CC, not God's Word.  God is no respecter of persons.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

Blessings

The Catholic Church is the only place on this planet that uphols God's Word in its entirety. The only place. Let me make sure I over emphasize the only place on the planet. Protestants with their thousands of different "bible-truths" want to paint this picture of Catholicism that separates it from her creator Jesus Christ.

Its not that hard to grasp. Its what has to happen for protestantism to have any validity. The original Christian Church has to be proclaimed apostate in order to make reformation theology look like it is the solution to the problem, even if that problem does not truly exist.

I harbor no ill will torwards grams. She's not that important to think negatively of. I wonder easily take a bullet for as I would anyother. However its not my style or my upbringing to be gentle, I don't mean to be rude nearly as moften as people take it like that. I am just very direct and relentless in the face of what I percieve as dishonesty.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Thu May 12, 2011 - 11:18:22
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  We are on the judgment seat now as He walks among the candlesticks, and when we see Him, his reward for us is with Him.
       

May I ask who are you talking about?

GOD is light ! 
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Thu May 12, 2011 - 11:24:14

Hello  LightHammer,

So you still do not believe me ? 

And yet I have more stuff I could tell you that happened  !


Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Wednesday on Thu May 12, 2011 - 11:31:57

The Catholic Church is the only place on this planet that uphols God's Word in its entirety. The only place. Let me make sure I over emphasize the only place on the planet.

 rofl  ::bowing::  ::crazy::  ::frown::




I harbor no ill will torwards grams. She's not that important to think negatively of.


Brother you are digging that hole deeper and deeper.  The insanity of promoting your ill deceived "religion" and then turning around and saying that someone is "not that important".  If your intentions are to thwart people away from the catholics, then let me give you a gold star! 
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 12:01:21

The Catholic Church is the only place on this planet that uphols God's Word in its entirety. The only place. Let me make sure I over emphasize the only place on the planet.

 rofl  ::bowing::  ::crazy::  ::frown::




I harbor no ill will torwards grams. She's not that important to think negatively of.


Brother you are digging that hole deeper and deeper.  The insanity of promoting your ill deceived "religion" and then turning around and saying that someone is "not that important".  If your intentions are to thwart people away from the catholics, then let me give you a gold star! 

I don't really care about bringing about Catholic converts either. All I care about is bringing Christ to those who don't know Him not explaining who Christ really is to those who are erfectly satisfied with their false ideas of who He is.

I would apologize that I'm not like you all and don't feel comfortable hugging eachother and crying but I like to deal with problems instead of sobbing over them and I always always always look to myself before I try to balme anyone else for my problems.

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 12:08:39

Hello  LightHammer,

So you still do not believe me ?  

And yet I have more stuff I could tell you that happened  !




Let me reiterate how much I really don't care. You can spend your life letting your experiences weigh you down and blaming the world or more specifically my Church for your problems if you want. You can let it bind you in tears and bitterness. You can even use it to justify not knowing what Catholics really believe. However what good does it do you when your problem doesn't go away? Even if you were the victum of rogues within my Church what good does it do for your to wallow in sadness over that? Pick yourself and strive for everything they deprived you of. Don't wallow in pathetic tears over it. If you do they win. Those corrupt men and women in your past win.

I never ever said your tesimony was false. All I ever tried to do was help you see that what you were taught was not what the Catholic Church upholds. You did not want to hear that. Your friend Lively Stone starting throwing stones and you followed behind her because it felt good.

Now you guys want to trun your little crying circle into a mob that makes me seem like the bad guy because I was trying to defend my Faith and promote its ACTUAL teachings.

Sorry if I am not quick to embrace you for such but you are all delusional if you do not see it. Like I said I have been through "The Saints" thread over five times and I never once wronged you. I never once tried to mock your testimony. All I tried to do was show you what Catholics really believe.

Go drown yourself in tears because you equate that to an "attack".


P.S.

Just stay away from me if you're going to cry when I try to correct any misconceptions you have about my Church. You have gathered all these memebers who are doing this whole woe is me routine and all I tried to was help you and give you true information. It kind of makes me upset that I'm getting all this static and I never even mentioned your testimony in any negative light. Just stop addressing me if this is how you and your little tem are going to act.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: larry2 on Thu May 12, 2011 - 12:55:12

Grams, does the Pope wear still cute red shoes, something akin to a woman's dress,  a stupid looking hat, and walk around with his hands folded in a very pious way as if he is going to suddenly break out in ten hail Mary's? I went through the Latin phase too, and the Fish Fridays; all Catholics ought to learn Latin.

PS; if that floats their boat, what do I care? I see many Protestants doing what I consider off the wall too. Ever heard of the gift of laughter, and other such phenomenal activity such as carrying the Holy Spirit around in a bucket to pour upon people? 
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Wednesday on Thu May 12, 2011 - 13:17:45

.......and other such phenomenal activity such as carrying the Holy Spirit around in a bucket to pour upon people? 

::lookaround:: I'm really wanting to crack up about carrying the Holy Spirit in a bucket, just trying to be a bit PC here ~ we got to be careful, me thinks Bubba Lighthammer is a'fixin to start tearing up... ::cryingtears:: (bless his heart)
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Joyfullee on Thu May 12, 2011 - 13:21:32
Quote Lighthammer from other thread: 

" I'm not an expert so I will share only what I know. To be a canonized saint the candidate must have two miracles accreditted to their intercessory prayer. By intercessory prayer we mean a saint on earth asks a saint in heaven to pray for them. When the saint in heaven prays for the siant on earth, the petition ascneds the Throne of God where the Father sits at the center and the Son at the Right Hand of Power. The petition comes to the Son and as our High Priest and One Mediator, the Son presents it to the Father. If the Father approves the miracles is carried out."
____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _________________________________

You prefer man's (manmade) doctrines of the CC over God and God's very Word.

Show me in God's Word where what you have stated above is, please and thank you.

Blessings
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Joyfullee on Thu May 12, 2011 - 13:29:10
Quote from Lighthammer from other thread:

"Of course she prays to Pope John Paul II for healing just like you pray to your brothers and sisters at your local church for their prayers.

Oh nevermind its no point in expecting honesty."
____________________________________________ ___________________________

Christians never pray "to" their brothers and sisters.

They pray "for" one another.

Jam 5:16   Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Big difference.

We pray "to" God "for" one another in the name of Jesus who is our mediator.

Blessings

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: larry2 on Thu May 12, 2011 - 13:31:12

Quote from: larry2
 

We are on the judgment seat now as He walks among the candlesticks, and when we see Him, his reward for us is with Him.




May I ask who are you talking about?



I just posted the following link to have for further reference.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/the-judgment-seat-of-christ/
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 13:33:04

.......and other such phenomenal activity such as carrying the Holy Spirit around in a bucket to pour upon people? 

::lookaround:: I'm really wanting to crack up about carrying the Holy Spirit in a bucket, just trying to be a bit PC here ~ we got to be careful, me thinks Bubba Lighthammer is a'fixin to start tearing up... ::cryingtears:: (bless his heart)

I would say that you guys aren't that important to cry about but you guys would only take that out of proportion.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 13:36:09
Quote Lighthammer from other thread: 

" I'm not an expert so I will share only what I know. To be a canonized saint the candidate must have two miracles accreditted to their intercessory prayer. By intercessory prayer we mean a saint on earth asks a saint in heaven to pray for them. When the saint in heaven prays for the siant on earth, the petition ascneds the Throne of God where the Father sits at the center and the Son at the Right Hand of Power. The petition comes to the Son and as our High Priest and One Mediator, the Son presents it to the Father. If the Father approves the miracles is carried out."
____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _________________________________

You prefer man's (manmade) doctrines of the CC over God and God's very Word.

Show me in God's Word where what you have stated above is, please and thank you.

Blessings



Do you honestly even care what I present? When I debate protestants I genuinely am interested in understanding their positions and when we reach that understanding its pretty cool. However I have met only like two protestants on this site who actually cared about understanding my position. The most of you just want to shout about how false it is.

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Joyfullee on Thu May 12, 2011 - 14:41:55
Quote Lighthammer from other thread: 

" I'm not an expert so I will share only what I know. To be a canonized saint the candidate must have two miracles accreditted to their intercessory prayer. By intercessory prayer we mean a saint on earth asks a saint in heaven to pray for them. When the saint in heaven prays for the siant on earth, the petition ascneds the Throne of God where the Father sits at the center and the Son at the Right Hand of Power. The petition comes to the Son and as our High Priest and One Mediator, the Son presents it to the Father. If the Father approves the miracles is carried out."
____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _________________________________

You prefer man's (manmade) doctrines of the CC over God and God's very Word.

Show me in God's Word where what you have stated above is, please and thank you.

Blessings



Do you honestly even care what I present? When I debate protestants I genuinely am interested in understanding their positions and when we reach that understanding its pretty cool. However I have met only like two protestants on this site who actually cared about understanding my position. The most of you just want to shout about how false it is.


You evaded the question.

I have said to you, more than once, that you prefer the doctrines (manmade) of the CC over God's very Word.  In your postings it is mostly the teachings or doctrines of the CC which you adamantly defend, rather than God's very Word.  Something is very wrong with this mindset.

Prove that to yourself by showing where in God's Word you find this teaching from the doctrine of the CC, which you uphold and defend.

Prove to yourself where your true allegiance lies.  It is with an organization and not with God Himself.

As Christians, God's Word has the authority in all things.  Never should we uphold or defend the teachings/doctrines of any man or organization whose teachings contradict God's very Word and who are elevated above God's very Word.

Blessings
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: chestertonrules on Thu May 12, 2011 - 15:02:22
Quote Lighthammer from other thread: 

" I'm not an expert so I will share only what I know. To be a canonized saint the candidate must have two miracles accreditted to their intercessory prayer. By intercessory prayer we mean a saint on earth asks a saint in heaven to pray for them. When the saint in heaven prays for the siant on earth, the petition ascneds the Throne of God where the Father sits at the center and the Son at the Right Hand of Power. The petition comes to the Son and as our High Priest and One Mediator, the Son presents it to the Father. If the Father approves the miracles is carried out."
____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _________________________________

You prefer man's (manmade) doctrines of the CC over God and God's very Word.

Show me in God's Word where what you have stated above is, please and thank you.

Blessings



Do you honestly even care what I present? When I debate protestants I genuinely am interested in understanding their positions and when we reach that understanding its pretty cool. However I have met only like two protestants on this site who actually cared about understanding my position. The most of you just want to shout about how false it is.


You evaded the question.

I have said to you, more than once, that you prefer the doctrines (manmade) of the CC over God's very Word.  

The Catholic Church is not man made, unlike all protestant denominations, which are  man made.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Wednesday on Thu May 12, 2011 - 15:09:56
ALL churches are man made, some are made from what Jesus told us to follow per the Holy Bible, others that are run on traditions of man are not of God and will be destroyed by their own hand and sinful nature.  The churches that pray to idols and dead saints will be cursed.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: chestertonrules on Thu May 12, 2011 - 15:13:13
ALL churches are man made

Wrong:

18 And I tell you that you are cephas, and on this cephas I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 15:14:25
I'll hope that you care to understand what I have to say and proceed.

The Communion of the Saints is completely Scriptural. (Verses soon to follow. I am at the BMV helping my little brother and his friend get their permits).

However the practice of praying to the saints in Heaven is not found in Scripture. The connection between those in Christ who are Triumphant in Heaven and Militant on Earth is in fact Scriptural. The saints in Heaven are both aware of our struggles here on Earth and eagered to see the completed work of God's plan.


Please allot me about 45 min to get home and provide the verses that I believe support my position.

Thanks for waiting.

First off I'll use

1 Corinthians 12:12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

 14For the body is not one member, but many.

 15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

 16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

 17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

 18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

 19And if they were all one member, where were the body?

 20But now are they many members, yet but one body.

 21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

 22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

 23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

 24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

 25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

 26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

 27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

 28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

 29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

 30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

 31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Joyfullee on Thu May 12, 2011 - 15:37:11
Quote Lighthammer from other thread: 

" I'm not an expert so I will share only what I know. To be a canonized saint the candidate must have two miracles accreditted to their intercessory prayer. By intercessory prayer we mean a saint on earth asks a saint in heaven to pray for them. When the saint in heaven prays for the siant on earth, the petition ascneds the Throne of God where the Father sits at the center and the Son at the Right Hand of Power. The petition comes to the Son and as our High Priest and One Mediator, the Son presents it to the Father. If the Father approves the miracles is carried out."
____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _________________________________

You prefer man's (manmade) doctrines of the CC over God and God's very Word.

Show me in God's Word where what you have stated above is, please and thank you.

Blessings



Do you honestly even care what I present? When I debate protestants I genuinely am interested in understanding their positions and when we reach that understanding its pretty cool. However I have met only like two protestants on this site who actually cared about understanding my position. The most of you just want to shout about how false it is.


You evaded the question.

I have said to you, more than once, that you prefer the doctrines (manmade) of the CC over God's very Word.  

The Catholic Church is not man made, unlike all protestant denominations, which are  man made.

Of course it is.

Not in your mindset though, because you trust in their teachings.

Blessings
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Wednesday on Thu May 12, 2011 - 15:47:55
Wrong:
18 And I tell you that you are cephas, and on this cephas I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.


Wrong again Chester.......
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Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Kindle on Thu May 12, 2011 - 16:22:51
Ouch! Rough thread.

 
Where I'm from, there is a saying.. a self-appraisal of the culture.. "If you don't like the church you're attending, then go start your own."  It's pretty much what we do. And there is no end to the arguments and accusations between members of the diverse protestant churches. It's in our little local newspaper and Christian radio stations as well.. ministers are all too often going after one another; saying that theirs' is the only church that is teaching "the Bible."  Talk to members of different congregations,  you'll find the underlying sentiment that only the members of their little church are not "in danger of hellfire".  

I'm not taking sides here.  I've no understanding of the different dogmas.  I'm just now learning the varying concepts within the protestant churches.  I have to wonder what is the cause of all the dissention.  It's just too much!

From a recent conversation with a member of the church my father had attended.. he had been lauding his church's righteousness.

Me: "I understand you'uns have communion every week."
Him: "Yes. The Bible says.. "'As oft as ye do this..'  "That means you're supposed to do it often."
He must have seen the look on my face.. he got flusted for a second and then continued.
"It was their habbit then to come together the same day every week to break bread."
Me: "Ah! I didn't know that.  Okay. I can understand why you do that then."  

What I'm saying is there probably isn't a single church that does not add to what scripture has given, or hold that they have some special status of enlightenment.  
It all has to do with a human sinful nature, based on either fear or pride perhaps. I don't know.  But it has to be carnal, and not of the Spirt. Otherwise we would not be in this mess. ::frown::

There's a great many of us who've had to wash the muck off our feet from where we'd been treading, in order to enter God's presence. 
The church, no matter how wonderful it may be, will not save you. Christ does that.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Thu May 12, 2011 - 16:29:10
Quote
      The Catholic Church is the only place on this planet that uphols God's Word in its entirety. The only place. Let me make sure I over emphasize the only place on the planet. Protestants with their thousands of different "bible-truths" want to paint this picture of Catholicism that separates it from her creator Jesus Christ.

Its not that hard to grasp. Its what has to happen for protestantism to have any validity. The original Christian Church has to be proclaimed apostate in order to make reformation theology look like it is the solution to the problem, even if that problem does not truly exist.

I harbor no ill will torwards grams. She's not that important to think negatively of. I wonder easily take a bullet for as I would anyother. However its not my style or my upbringing to be gentle, I don't mean to be rude nearly as moften as people take it like that. I am just very direct and relentless in the face of what I percieve as dishonesty.  
 
  
  

I think Not !   I belong to a bible church no religion just studying our bible.
Our Tom [ who does not like being called Pastor]  Tells the people
"Don't believe me look it up in the bible "
When ever new people come into our church, he also  tells them of the collection
He will say..   Look us over before you donate to the church.  We want you to
know were the money is going first !

Quote
   I harbor no ill will torwards grams. She's not that important    

Thanks........

And you still do not believe what happened to me  and others at the church ?

    Let me ask you how would you like getting whacked with a ruler or yard stick ?  
The street in front of our church at first was rocks.
Would you believe that we had to kneel down  and move as walking to go to the chapel across the street from it in the month of May.   For saint Mary !
Tell me  , how would you behave after going through some of this stuff.
Would you not believe and do as told ?  Would that not make you feel they were right?
 You did as they said no questions.   If that is all you know, then you believe every one and every thing is this way !  
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 17:01:42
Quote
I think Not !   I belong to a bible church no religion just studying our bible.
Our Tom [ who does not like being called Pastor]  Tells the people
"Don't believe me look it up in the bible "
When ever new people come into our church, he also  tells them of the collection
He will say..   Look us over before you donate to the church.  We want you to
know were the money is going first !


Please spare me. I know "Bible Truths" in protestantism vary on what protestants want them to be.

Quote
Thanks........

And you still do not believe what happened to me  and others at the church ?

   Let me ask you how would you like getting whacked with a ruler or yard stick ? 
The street in front of our church at first was rocks.
Would you believe that we had to kneel down  and move as walking to go to the chapel across the street from it in the month of May.   For saint Mary !
Tell me  , how would you behave after going through some of this stuff.
Would you not believe and do as told ?  Would that not make you feel they were right?
 You did as they said no questions.   If that is all you know, then you believe every one and every thing is this way ! 


Grams I never never never never never never never never never never.....never said I didn't believe you. As I matter of fact I never even addressed your testimony. I simply wanted to tell you that what you were taught and what you been through was not in accordance with the uniformed teachings of the Catholic Church. That's al. That's all. That's all. That's all.

I told you about three times that I don't care about whether or not what you said was true. I only only only only only only only only ever wanted to show you that the Catholic Church is not a bad place and show you want we truly believe.

Thats it.

No body is attacking you or saying you're a liar. I don't care about that stuff. You are plagued with those painful experiences and I wanted to help alleviate that by showing you that those experiences do not constitute my Church and that you could have freedom in Christ as a Catholic as well.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Thu May 12, 2011 - 20:28:48
Hello  LightHammer

I think before this gets closed down again   I will add to it since I started it !
With out being  a  ::pondering::   ::idea::   ::shrug::        ---  ???
OK, fine now tell me how many pictures of   of God and Jesus and saints,  does your church have ?

Does not the bible say not to do that.

Do you still use the rosary ?
Does the bible tell you not to  repeat ?

Why do you bow and kneel to the Alter ?

Why do you bless yourself coming into church ?
How does man make the water holey  ?

And again about the Pope ?    Man cant make him any better then we are !
Only God can do that !

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 20:37:08
You want to discuss Catholicism then buck up the courage and go back to the Catholic Forum. However know that if you wish to deal with me, your sob story won't serve as a valid justification for refusing to understanding my Faith.

Relay that message to your friends.


See you in the War Room.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Joyfullee on Thu May 12, 2011 - 20:53:21
You want to discuss Catholicism then buck up the courage and go back to the Catholic Forum. However know that if you wish to deal with me, your sob story won't serve as a valid justification for refusing to understanding my Faith.

Relay that message to your friends.


See you in the War Room.

Why did you evade and distract from every single one of her questions???

Blessings
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: LightHammer on Thu May 12, 2011 - 21:58:57
Its rather a lot of doctrine to address with depth. Grams has a track record with misunderstanding my posts. She addressed me and I will deal with her how I see fit and that is not crumbling doctrines and beliefs of a complex theological position into a crash course which I am positive she will not understand and misrepresent.

I will explain everyone in detail in the Catholic Forum. What I will not do is subjugate my reason and methods to those who hold no genuine desire to understand Catholicism anyway. I told you to stop addressing me if all you had to say to me was stuff of this nature.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: chestertonrules on Thu May 12, 2011 - 22:17:45
Hello  LightHammer

I think before this gets closed down again   I will add to it since I started it !
With out being  a  ::pondering::   ::idea::   ::shrug::        ---  ???
OK, fine now tell me how many pictures of   of God and Jesus and saints,  does your church have ?

Does not the bible say not to do that.

Do you still use the rosary ?
Does the bible tell you not to  repeat ?

Why do you bow and kneel to the Alter ?

Why do you bless yourself coming into church ?
How does man make the water holey  ?

And again about the Pope ?    Man cant make him any better then we are !
Only God can do that !



The bible does not forbid the use of images.  In fact, the Ark of the Covenant included Cherubs and God commanded the creation of the bronze serpent.  God forbids worshipping anything other than himself.  Catholics worship God alone.

Jesus tells us to pray like the persistent widow who pestered the judge until she got her way.   Jesus wants us to avoid vain repetition, not holy repetition.

We kneel at the altar to pay respect to the sacrifice of Jesus.

We cross ourselves with holy water to remind us of our baptismal vows.

Jesus created the papacy, but the pope is a sinner just like all other men.  The popes role as successor of Peter was ordained by Christ and it is the source of Christian unity.  Jesus only started one Church.

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Wednesday on Thu May 12, 2011 - 22:34:05


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I will explain everyone in detail in the Catholic Forum. What I will not do is subjugate my reason and methods to those who hold no genuine desire to understand Catholicism anyway. I told you to stop addressing me if all you had to say to me was stuff of this nature. Can't you look at me and see how upsetting this is!

I'm telling mother!

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Lively Stone on Thu May 12, 2011 - 22:34:36
  Please let me add this !

I know the Catholic Church has now changed !   My point now is , if you had not lived this you have no idea what I went through .
Theydid not  use the bible.   In my time there were no bibles !  Even the one the priest had at the alter was not a bible.  It was a giant prayer book !

OK !  I went to grade school in the 1940's !   Were you even alive then ?

The only thing the nuns did for us is when we made our first holy communion that we knew how to confess our sins, using the proper words !
What child want to tell his sins ?  To another human being.
If confessing your sins was the saving,  I sure flunked out !   I was not going to tell a man what I did in secret.  What most children do growing up .

My oldest child receives his first communion on Sunday.  He had his first confession in January.  Since then he has ASKED me to bring him to confession 4 or 5 times.  He loves it, and he loves to live in the light.

Who would not want to confess their sins?  People pay thousands of dollars to psychologists to get sins off of their minds.  There have been random secular apps that have appeared in the world today where people confess their sins to the world.

Confession, apart from Eucharist, is the greatest sacrament for the human soul and psyche.  I absolutely love it, and frankly I don't know how ex-Catholics get by without it.


Christians only need Jesus to confess to.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Lively Stone on Thu May 12, 2011 - 22:42:12
Joyfulle,

Judging me based off of one comment in a conversation that transcends this thread is not only foolish but judging by your discernment, or rather lack thereof, but very dangerous.

You don't know who I am or what you're talking about so apart from commenting on grams' testimony you really shouldn't address me if that's all you have to say.  

Your lack of love, compassion, understanding is evident, in more than one statement to grams.  Love one another is what God's Word tells us.

Your defense is of the CC, not God's Word.  God is no respecter of persons.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

Blessings

The Catholic Church is the only place on this planet that uphols God's Word in its entirety. The only place. Let me make sure I over emphasize the only place on the planet. Protestants with their thousands of different "bible-truths" want to paint this picture of Catholicism that separates it from her creator Jesus Christ.

Its not that hard to grasp. Its what has to happen for protestantism to have any validity. The original Christian Church has to be proclaimed apostate in order to make reformation theology look like it is the solution to the problem, even if that problem does not truly exist.

For all your cries of, "Liar, liar!", I must declare Comment deleted now about your own religion. The RCC waters down and negates much of the word by its Traditions which run contrary to what God tells us.
 

Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: tinker on Thu May 12, 2011 - 22:49:27
Hello  LightHammer

I think before this gets closed down again   I will add to it since I started it !
With out being  a  ::pondering::   ::idea::   ::shrug::        ---  ???
OK, fine now tell me how many pictures of   of God and Jesus and saints,  does your church have ?

Does not the bible say not to do that.

Do you still use the rosary ?
Does the bible tell you not to  repeat ?

Why do you bow and kneel to the Alter ?

Why do you bless yourself coming into church ?
How does man make the water holey  ?

And again about the Pope ?    Man cant make him any better then we are !
Only God can do that !



Hi grams, spoken like a true Christian, God bless you always.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Lively Stone on Thu May 12, 2011 - 22:56:43

Hello  LightHammer,

So you still do not believe me ?  

And yet I have more stuff I could tell you that happened  !




Let me reiterate how much I really don't care. You can spend your life letting your experiences weigh you down and blaming the world or more specifically my Church for your problems if you want. You can let it bind you in tears and bitterness. You can even use it to justify not knowing what Catholics really believe. However what good does it do you when your problem doesn't go away? Even if you were the victum of rogues within my Church what good does it do for your to wallow in sadness over that? Pick yourself and strive for everything they deprived you of. Don't wallow in pathetic tears over it. If you do they win. Those corrupt men and women in your past win.

She's not wallowing in anything negative. She has found Jesus Christ outside of Catholicism. It's all good!

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I never ever said your tesimony was false. All I ever tried to do was help you see that what you were taught was not what the Catholic Church upholds. You did not want to hear that. Your friend Lively Stone starting throwing stones and you followed behind her because it felt good.

That is a lie. I didn't throw stones, but upheld her testimony as I have heard MANY just like it. I gather you are very young and are ignorant of the ways of the Catholic Church in the first half or more of the 20th century.

Quote
Now you guys want to trun your little crying circle into a mob that makes me seem like the bad guy because I was trying to defend my Faith and promote its ACTUAL teachings.

You don't defend your faith. You defend your Church. If you were born again, you would do as Scripture says:

Romans 12:15
Be happy with those who are happy, and weep with those who weep.

Quote
Sorry if I am not quick to embrace you for such but you are all delusional if you do not see it. Like I said I have been through "The Saints" thread over five times and I never once wronged you. I never once tried to mock your testimony. All I tried to do was show you what Catholics really believe.

Go drown yourself in tears because you equate that to an "attack".


P.S.

Just stay away from me if you're going to cry when I try to correct any misconceptions you have about my Church. You have gathered all these memebers who are doing this whole woe is me routine and all I tried to was help you and give you true information. It kind of makes me upset that I'm getting all this static and I never even mentioned your testimony in any negative light. Just stop addressing me if this is how you and your little tem are going to act.

She wasn't requiring correction. She had no misconceptions. She was sharing HER EXPERIENCE. There is a time for correction, and this was not one such a time.
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: Joyfullee on Thu May 12, 2011 - 23:57:05
Its rather a lot of doctrine to address with depth. Grams has a track record with misunderstanding my posts. She addressed me and I will deal with her how I see fit and that is not crumbling doctrines and beliefs of a complex theological position into a crash course which I am positive she will not understand and misrepresent.

I will explain everyone in detail in the Catholic Forum. What I will not do is subjugate my reason and methods to those who hold no genuine desire to understand Catholicism anyway. I told you to stop addressing me if all you had to say to me was stuff of this nature.

I will show you how easy it truly is.   I will answer as me though, not you.   ::smile::

Quote Grams:


Hello  LightHammer

I think before this gets closed down again   I will add to it since I started it !
With out being  a                ---  
OK, fine now tell me how many pictures of God and Jesus and saints, does your church have ? (There might be one of Jesus in the children's room.)

Does not the bible say not to do that.  (Yes)

Do you still use the rosary ?  (No)
Does the bible tell you not to  repeat ?  (Yes)

Why do you bow and kneel to the Alter ? (I don't)

Why do you bless yourself coming into church ?  (I don't)
How does man make the water holey  ?  (I don't know)

And again about the Pope ?    Man cant make him any better then we are !  (That is true Grams)
Only God can do that !  (Right again!)

Blessings
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Fri May 13, 2011 - 04:28:15
You want to discuss Catholicism then buck up the courage and go back to the Catholic Forum. However know that if you wish to deal with me, your sob story won't serve as a valid justification for refusing to understanding my Faith.

Relay that message to your friends.


See you in the War Room.

Sure , but what is wrong  with this post ?
Title: Re: I did not lie
Post by: grams on Fri May 13, 2011 - 07:18:31
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      I will explain everyone in detail in the Catholic Forum       



Sure   go ahead