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I did not lie
« on: May 09, 2011, 07:24:33 AM »
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 Dear grams, it was not your posts that got the thread shut down. It had turned into everything we don't want on a Christian forum; everyone seems to need their pound of flesh.

I will attempt to keep a closer eye on the new thread you start. Thanks. 

I was told in my Question about the Pop being  ?  given a Saint position ,  why we are all ready Saints !

I was told I was not really  telling the truth.

and one thing lead to another.   I had mentioned I was a Catholic for some
50 years.
Did not want to hurt any one and was just telling why and how I left.

And then mentioned what went on in my Catholic Church.
To begin with in those day's you did not question a adult !
they were correct and that was that.
The parish  Priest ? Reverend ?  Owner ?
 
Was prejudice  !   He had  friends or what ever you want to call it in places that helped him.
He kept out of his neighbor hood  , who ever he did not want !
The nuns were not very nice, only a few.
I felt sorry for the boys, they were getting their hair pulled all the time.
The nuns had rulers and yard stick they used every day !

We were never told to use or get a bible !
We had prayer books and rosaries !
We had mass to attend every day but Sat.
And mass was in Latin and other speaking in Polish.
Which I did not know either......
Sunday they had us attend the one service in the morning which was in those
Languages.   But the later mass was in Latin , but the speaking of other things was in English which we could not attend.

How can a child learn any thing like that ?
And in school  I missed a lot being not able to go to the dentist, I had ear aches and  bad teeth.
I was made fun of and the nun did not care !
The nuns had their favorite, those who had money of course and we were poor that is why I did not go to the dentist or doctor .   
But all through that , I still stayed Catholic.
You were not allowed to go to any church but the Catholic Church.
One of the children asked if they could go to a wedding or funeral and the nun told them , you have to have permission.
Now this is only part of what I had to live with.
After , our children were born and in there teens, they started to go to other churches.  And finally got us to go.
All those years being a good Catholic girls , I felt I was going to hell !
And was afraid of death and dying.

We went to a church with no religion, just a bible church.
And I became saved.   Oh !  How wonderful that was to know the truth.
And it is there in the bible for me to see .

I do know the Catholic church has now changed !
But I could not go back after all of that .

If I had at least been saved , and not afraid of dying all those 50 some years.
I could go back even after all of the things I suffered through.

But not knowing the wonderful GOD we have and how HE sent HIS SON to the cross for all of the sins of the world , in who would believe is so GREAT  !
I never once heard of this back then.

Again I am not here to hurt any one , but to know how things were  back then !
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

:longitude: EXPOSURE TO THE SON MAY PREVENT BURNING:   

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I did not lie
« on: May 09, 2011, 07:24:33 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 08:00:36 AM »

Well, if you were lying, my wife must have been doing the same because she went through very similar things in Parochial Schools until her parents took her out of them after the eighth grade.

I always attended public schools so I missed out on the fun you had. I too really knew little of the bible in the Catholic Church, and of course we were told what to believe and what not to. Salvation? We had no clue to what that really was, and probably 99% involved there today still have no real peace or joy they could know if they would believe scripture.

I do not agree with many that don't think most Catholics are not saved, because most love the Lord and they just never learn what security they have in Christ, and just how much God loves them as to keeping them. The day all this finally sunk in to me was the greatest awakening of my spiritual life. What a Savior and loving God that has come to save that which was lost, and we are the recipients of that wonderful provision that paid the price we owed for us.

God bless you grams for your testimony and thanks in Jesus' name.

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Re: I did not lie
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2011, 05:46:37 PM »
Then you still don't understand it seems. We weren't calling you a liar. We said what you believed based on ignorance concerning Catholicism was false. Your belief was a lie.

If I say grams believes hell is the place where all non arians go out of ignorance isn't that still a lie?

We were simply trying to correct your misconception based on the lies contrary to Catholic teaching that you were taught.


The thread only went south because agitators simply refuse to let us even clarify misconceptions concerning our Faith without rudely attacking it first.

Go back and reread the thread grams. You will see who started the aggression and hostility in our conversation and who was trying to relay information.

"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2011, 06:22:35 PM »
Thanks, grams, for sharing openly your experience. I have heard several people say the exact same things. They grew up with fear until they were introduced to Jesus Christ and given the truth that they are free of all encumbrances that they grew up trying to adhere to and maintain.

Jesus died to give you an abundant and free life! Praise God you have found Him!

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2011, 07:15:13 PM »
Thank you all !

I am so glad our children were listening when some one talked to them !

I never did, I was told not to.

It was such a Beautiful feeling to become saved after so many years of
knowing I was going to hell ! 

I had never been so scared in my life time like that !

Thank you again for understanding.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2011, 07:40:47 PM »
Thank you all !

I am so glad our children were listening when some one talked to them !

I never did, I was told not to.

It was such a Beautiful feeling to become saved after so many years of
knowing I was going to hell ! 

I had never been so scared in my life time like that !

Thank you again for understanding.


If you don't mind I'd like to know the name and location of your former parish and you can remember its pastor as well.

I'll let you guys hug each other and cry tears of joy for being freed from a Church that has no intention of keeping you separated from Christ.

I want the parish and leader who has forever crippled you from God's Truth and His Catholic Church.
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2011, 07:50:39 PM »

Is this how a Christian acts ?    You have no idea what so ever, what I had gone through..........

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  I'll let you guys hug each other and cry tears of joy for being freed from a Church that has no intention of keeping you separated from Christ.

   
I do not know if it is still there !  I know the priest is dead.

The church was Transfiguration  It was in Detroit.   
And if you read the news you know how bad that is now !

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2011, 08:13:06 PM »
A Christian ma'am should not be dominated by experiences. If you are that weak that you can't see the Truth that Satan seeks to mask with hardship and persecution than go wallow in your tears. The simple fact is that the Catholic Church houses only a perfect doctrine in all things concerning Faith and Morals. Not perfect people, buildings, or even perfect experiences.

Satan will take advantage of that. He will try to place a black hood over that Light.

You praise God for your children's insight and you condemn my Church because it chained you down in childhood and baptized you in the fear of damnation. Let me ask you, what about when you reached an age above childhood? Why did you not take the time and study for yourself and see that our doctrine is nothing about fear and everything about the love of Christ? Why grams? Why did you have to ride the coat tails of your children's research?   
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2011, 09:53:06 PM »
A Christian ma'am should not be dominated by experiences. If you are that weak that you can't see the Truth that Satan seeks to mask with hardship and persecution than go wallow in your tears. The simple fact is that the Catholic Church houses only a perfect doctrine in all things concerning Faith and Morals. Not perfect people, buildings, or even perfect experiences.

Satan will take advantage of that. He will try to place a black hood over that Light.

You praise God for your children's insight and you condemn my Church because it chained you down in childhood and baptized you in the fear of damnation. Let me ask you, what about when you reached an age above childhood? Why did you not take the time and study for yourself and see that our doctrine is nothing about fear and everything about the love of Christ? Why grams? Why did you have to ride the coat tails of your children's research?  

Here you go again with your insolence!

grams is not condemning anything. She was sharing her experience which is shared by millions, by the way. I also praise God for her children. Often it is the children who lead parents to Christ by their experiences with Jesus Christ---and often it is in other churches.

People who are caught up in religion don't know enough to search out a matter for themselves because back then, years ago, the Bible was off limits. I can attest to that fact by my experiences with Catholic children in my childhood from the 50's and 60's.

Instead of helping her by hearing her and trying to understand her, you want to heap blame on her. That's like telling a rape victim that she asked for it.

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2011, 10:10:09 PM »
I don't know what you're reading but save the bogus misrepresentations for Maury or Jerry Springer.
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2011, 10:51:46 PM »

I don't know what you're reading but save the bogus misrepresentations for Maury or Jerry Springer.


Which ones?

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2011, 10:54:08 PM »
I don't know what you're reading but save the bogus misrepresentations for Maury or Jerry Springer.

There's nothing bogus in what I have said.

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2011, 11:10:13 PM »
I don't know what you're reading but save the bogus misrepresentations for Maury or Jerry Springer.

There's nothing bogus in what I have said.

No pretty much everything you say is bogus when concerning my Faith.
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2011, 11:28:01 PM »

Why grams? Why did you have to ride the coat tails of your children's research? 
  

Thank God she did LightHammer, or she may have turned out like you. At least she knows now that she is saved, while few Roman Catholics ever learn that even if they are saved.

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2011, 11:31:52 PM »
If I cared about the opinions of men I may have blinked twice at that petty remark.

Go ahead and join on the team larry that would explain why you keep locking our threads instead of mandating honesty and decency from those non catholics speaking about Catholicism. 

"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria