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Title: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: SpiritualSon on Tue May 25, 2010 - 03:31:22
Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772) was a Swedish philosopher and scientist who, at 56, had a spiritual awakening and wrote numerous books on his theological views and related topics. He advocated a version of Christianity where works count as much as faith, with the trinity existing in Jesus, instead of three separate entities. Swedenborg derived inspiration from dreams and visions, and claimed to be able to visit heaven and hell at will. His works were widely read after his death and highly regarded by poets, writers and mystics such as Blake, Baudelaire, Strindberg, Balzac, Yeats, Jung, and William James.

The following electronic texts have been converted automatically for sacred-texts by a volunteer. Swedenborg's writings are indexed by paragraph number. Each of the texts have been arbitrarily separated into 50-paragraph files.

Harry ::smile::

Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: stevehut on Wed Aug 04, 2010 - 02:36:13
I've casually read Swedenborg's writings now and again.

Frankly, I can't see much of anything that marks it as particularly Christian.  Not that I think he's a dangerous cult leader, I just can't see a discernable Christian message.  He has a lot of good things to say, seeing as most religions do agree on a number of basic universal precepts (such as ethics).
Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: SpiritualSon on Wed Aug 04, 2010 - 15:22:06

You need to do more reading and deep thinking. Pray to the Lord for understanding.

Harry ::smile::
Love and charity to all.
Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: stevehut on Thu Aug 05, 2010 - 08:44:03
Harry, point me to something.  Got a link with more info?
Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: SpiritualSon on Thu Aug 05, 2010 - 22:07:05

Is there a God beside Me? I know no Rock (Isa. 44:8). (Thus said Jehovah thy Redeemer, and He that formed thee from the womb; I am Jehovah that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by Myself (Isa. 44:24).)

This same God had put on Human Form, under the name Jesus Christ. The Son of God was the Hunam Form that God the Creator had put on. When Jesus had said my Father and I are one, He meant that His Soul and Body are one. He also said "He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father."John 14:9

Harry ::smile::
Love and charity to all.

Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: marc on Fri Aug 06, 2010 - 00:21:32
Wasn't Swedenborg a big influence on the spiritualism movement of a century and a half ago?
Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: OldDad on Sun Aug 22, 2010 - 22:02:27
Here's what the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry have to say: "This is a dangerous mystical non-Christian religion.  Its denial of the Trinity and the Holy Spirit, the vicarious atonement, and rejection of Acts and the Pauline epistles clearly set it outside of Christian orthodoxy."

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Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: John T on Thu Nov 25, 2010 - 16:31:36
These Swedenborgian people are very interesting, and well-educated.

Several times I visited the beautiful grounds and the majestic Cathedral in Bryn Athen, Pennsylvania.

There, I learned that they teach their children to read Hebrew and Koine Greek in the schools thy have on the grounds there. Many of their people are captains of industry in Philadelphia, and nearby.
Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: SpiritualSon on Fri May 11, 2012 - 21:50:26

I am sorry  for being two year late in answering you. I lost my job
 Swedenborg had nothing to do with the spiritualism movement.  It was started  after his death. The second coming of Jesus Christ was through the writing of Swdenborg. The fundamentalist church is against Swedenborg  because he wrote that God is one Person, and that charity and good works with faith must be together in man. Faith alone does not save.

Harry ::smile::
Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: John T on Sat May 12, 2012 - 00:57:39
Hope that you found a new job by now.

That being said, you need to know that Britannica does not agree with your assertion. Here is a snip from a long article:

For the remainder of his long career, Swedenborg devoted his enormous energy to interpreting the Bible and to relating what he had seen and heard in the world of spirits and angels. From 1749 to 1771 he wrote some 30 volumes, all of them in Latin and the major part anonymously. Among these were Arcana Coelestia, 8 vol. (1749–56; Heavenly Arcana) and Apocalypsis Explicata, 4 vol. (1785–89; Apocalypse Explained), which contain his commentaries on the internal spiritual meaning of Genesis and Exodus and on the Book of Revelation, respectively. De Coelo et ejus Mirabilibus et de Inferno (1758; On Heaven and Its Wonders and on Hell) is perhaps his best-known theological work. He gave an admirably clear summary of his theological thinking in his last work, the Vera Christiana Religio (1771; True Christian Religion), which was written when he was 83.

from Swedenborg, Emanuel.  (2008). Encyclopædia Britannica. Deluxe Edition.  Chicago: Encyclopædia Britannica.
Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: SpiritualSon on Wed May 16, 2012 - 21:40:41

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Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: SpiritualSon on Wed May 16, 2012 - 22:04:51
Revelation 12 Verse 3. And another sigh was seen in heaven, signifies revelation from the Lord concerning those who are against the New Church and its doctrine. By "a sign" is signified revelation from the Lord, as in (n. 532). It is called "another sign" because it is a revelation concerning those who will be against the New Church.

 And behold, a great red dragon, signifies those in the Fundamentlist Church who make God three, and the Lord two, and separate charity from faith, and who make faith saving but not charity together with it.

 These are here meant, and in what follows, by "the dragon"; for they are against the two essentials of the New Church, which are, that God is one in Essence and in Person, in whom there is a Trinity, and that the Lord is that God; also that charity and faith are one like an essence and its form; and that no others have charity and faith, but they who live according to the commandments of the Decalogue, which are that evils are not be done; and so far as anyone does not do evils, shunning them as sins against God, in the same proportion he does the goods which are of charity, and believes the truths which are of faith.

That they who make God three, and the Lord two, and who separate charity from faith, and make faith saving, and not charity, are against those two essentials of the New Church, may be seen by anyone who considers the matter.

 It is said, they who make God three, and the Lord two, by whom are meant those who think of three Persons as three Gods, and separate the Lord’s Human from His Divine. And who thinks otherwise, or can think otherwise, whilst, according to a formula of faith, be prays, "That God the Father for the sake of the Son would send the Holy Spirit?" Does he not pray to God the Father as to one God, and for the sake of the Son as another, and concerning the Holy Spirit as a third? From which it is evident that although in thought he makes three Persons one God, still he divides them, that is, divides his idea into three gods when he so prays. The same formula of faith also makes the Lord two, since he thinks only of the Lord‘s Human, and not at the same time of His Divine; "for the sake of the Son" means for the sake of His Human which suffered the cross. From what has now been said, it may appear who they are that are meant by the dragon, who would devour the woman’s offspring, and afterwards "pursued the woman into the wilderness on account of her offspring." The reason why the dragon is called "great," is because all the Fundamentlist Churches distinguish God into three Persons, and make faith alone saving, except some here and there, who do not think alike concerning the Trinity, and concerning faith. They who divide God into three Persons, and adhere to these words of the Athanasian doctrine, "There is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit"; and also to these, "The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God"; these, I say, cannot make one God out of three; they may indeed say that they are one God, but they cannot think so. In like manner they who think concerning the Lord‘s Divine from eternity as concerning the second Person of the Divinity, and concerning His Human in time as concerning the human of another man, cannot do otherwise than make the Lord two, although it is said in the Athanasian doctrine that His Divine and Human are one Person, united as the soul and the body. The dragon is called "red" because "
red" signifies falsity from the evils of lusts,
which is infernal falsity. Now because these two essentials of the doctrine in the Churches of Reformed are falsities, and as falsities devastate the church, since they take away its truths and goods, therefore they were represented by "a dragon." The reason is, because by "a dragon," in the Word, is signified the devastation of the church.

I will make Jerusalem heaps, a habitation of dragons, and I will reduce the cities of Judah to a waste (Jer. 9:11).

Behold, a great tumult out of the land of the north, to reduce the cities of Judah to a waste, a habitation of dragons (Jer. 10:22).

Hazor shall become a habitation of dragons, a desolation forever (Jer. 49:13).

That it may be a habitation of dragons, a court for the daughters of the owl (Isa. 34:13).

In the habitation of dragons is his couch (Isa. 35:7).

I will go despoiled and naked, I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning like the daughters of the owl (Micah 1:8).

I cried, I am become a brother to dragons, and a companion to the daughters of the screech owl (Job 30:28, 29).

The ijim shall answer in his palaces, and dragons in temples (Isa. 13:22).

Babylon shall become heaps, a habitation of dragons, a hissing and an astonishment (Jer. 51:37).

Thou hast broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death (Ps. 44:19).

I have laid the mountains of Esau and his heritage a waste for the dragons of the wilderness (Mal. 1:3; Isa. 43:20; Jer. 14:6; Ps. 91:13, 14; Deut. 32:33).

That by "the dragon"  meant those who are in faith alone, and reject the works of the law as not saving, has sometimes been testified to me in the spiritual world by living experience. I have seen several thousands of them assembled together, when from a distance they have appeared like a dragon with a long tail, that seemed set with spines like thorns, which signified falsities. Once, also, there was seen a dragon still larger, which raising his back and lifting up his tail towards heaven, endeavored to draw down the stars from thence. Thus it was made manifest before my eyes that no others are meant by "the dragon."


Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: Seriousseeker on Mon May 21, 2012 - 20:50:47
Until the Lord Jesus returns there will continue to be such heresies by religious apostates, so we need to discern that and hold only to the clear Word of God.
Title: Re: New Church (Swedenborg)
Post by: SpiritualSon on Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 21:00:50
If you wish to learn more about what Swedenborg had wrote, go here. (