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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #35 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 12:02:20 »
Yeah, KB, it's a pecular "type" Lively Stones is.  She's a lot like me.  BTW, it's called "Christian".


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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #36 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 12:23:53 »
Yeah, KB, it's a pecular "type" Lively Stones is.  She's a lot like me.  BTW, it's called "Christian".


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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #37 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 12:27:11 »

My 'type', eh?

Don't even try to go there, Bubba.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #38 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 12:33:00 »
Yeah, KB, it's a pecular "type" Lively Stones is.  She's a lot like me.  BTW, it's called "Christian".

Yep. I'm a PP, alright.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #39 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 12:34:56 »

My 'type', eh?

Don't even try to go there, Bubba.

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Love ya Lively.  ::smile::

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #40 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 12:52:42 »
Good Afternoon LS!

Love you too, Carey, along with my friends chosenone, fenton, fishy, candy, gospel and MeMyself, and Willie, here! This place is blessed with you all!

Matthew 5:46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #41 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 13:18:36 »
Good Afternoon LS!

Love you too, Carey, along with my friends chosenone, fenton, fishy, candy, gospel and MeMyself, and Willie, here! This place is blessed with you all!

Matthew 5:46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


 So we arent even allowed friends now? I love my friends and my family, there's nothing wrong with that. Do you not love your family bittersweet? We can also love others because love isnt limitless. ::smile:: With Gods love we can love anyone.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #42 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 13:20:32 »
Good Afternoon LS!

Love you too, Carey, along with my friends chosenone, fenton, fishy, candy, gospel and MeMyself, and Willie, here! This place is blessed with you all!

Matthew 5:46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Good one, BS. In this instance I am OK saying what I did, because there is a bond between people of like mind and heart.

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Everyone will know that you are my disciples because of your love for each other.”

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #43 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 13:23:18 »
Good Afternoon LS!

Love you too, Carey, along with my friends chosenone, fenton, fishy, candy, gospel and MeMyself, and Willie, here! This place is blessed with you all!

Matthew 5:46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


 So we arent even allowed friends now? I love my friends and my family, there's nothing wrong with that. Do you not love your family bittersweet? We can also love others because love isnt limitless. ::smile:: With Gods love we can love anyone.

What are you asking me that for? All I did was post scripture, I didn't put in any opinion. Perhaps if you want to question scripture, take it up with God, not me, I didn't author it.

BTW I hope you have a wonderful day! Hopefully the weather won't be too bad, I saw that on the Olympics that some storm is heading your way.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #44 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 13:32:06 »
Good Afternoon LS!

Love you too, Carey, along with my friends chosenone, fenton, fishy, candy, gospel and MeMyself, and Willie, here! This place is blessed with you all!

Matthew 5:46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


 So we arent even allowed friends now? I love my friends and my family, there's nothing wrong with that. Do you not love your family bittersweet? We can also love others because love isnt limitless. ::smile:: With Gods love we can love anyone.

What are you asking me that for? All I did was post scripture, I didn't put in any opinion. Perhaps if you want to question scripture, take it up with God, not me, I didn't author it.

BTW I hope you have a wonderful day! Hopefully the weather won't be too bad, I saw that on the Olympics that some storm is heading your way.


 However the scripture you posted doesnt mean that we cant love our friends.It only means that we are to love others AS WELL. You posted it to make others here feel bad, and took it out of context. All scripture needs to be in context, or we may as well use it as the cults do to make it mean whatever we want it to. ::shrug::
I am LOVING the olympics. We won loads of medals today in cycling, rowing, canoeing and am SO proud. The sun is shining, and if rain comes, so what? We are used to it, and it will make no difference.   ::smile::
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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #45 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 14:01:00 »
However the scripture you posted doesnt mean that we cant love our friends.It only means that we are to love others AS WELL. You posted it to make others here feel bad, and took it out of context. All scripture needs to be in context, or we may as well use it as the cults do to make it mean whatever we want it to. ::shrug::
I am LOVING the olympics. We won loads of medals today in cycling, rowing, canoeing and am SO proud. The sun is shining, and if rain comes, so what? We are used to it, and it will make no difference.   ::smile::
Aw..... Did you do that, BS?  I feel so bad.  No I don't, not really... because I know you wouldn't do something like that after saying that you'd overlook the psychological disorders of a dottering old fool like me.  You're so understanding, of course you wouldn't.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #46 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 15:16:17 »
However the scripture you posted doesnt mean that we cant love our friends.It only means that we are to love others AS WELL. You posted it to make others here feel bad, and took it out of context. All scripture needs to be in context, or we may as well use it as the cults do to make it mean whatever we want it to. ::shrug::

I guess you should probably ask your husband if you have any questions about what scripture means instead of me, I am not the head over you. That also prevents that cultish stuff that you worry about. ::smile::


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I am LOVING the olympics. We won loads of medals today in cycling, rowing, canoeing and am SO proud. The sun is shining, and if rain comes, so what? We are used to it, and it will make no difference.   ::smile::

Gymnastics is my favorite and swimming. I haven't gone out of my way to watch, just before bed I like to fall asleep watching it.  I did watch the rowing while my car was being serviced today. I think it was white water rafting, something like that.

Matthew 5:45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #47 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 16:13:33 »

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That also prevents that cultish stuff that you worry about.
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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #48 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 16:54:25 »
 Bittersweet said
"I guess you should probably ask your husband if you have any questions about what scripture means instead of me, I am not the head over you. That also prevents that cultish stuff that you worry about."

Why do I need to ask him something that I already know? That scripture means that we are not to JUST love those who love us back, but also those who dont love us back. It is not telling us that we CANT love those who love us, of course.


I am not worried about cultish stuff, except that cults prevent people from knowing the truth, which is  very sad, and they do use scripture out of context and twist it to support their wrong beliefs, such as the JW's.



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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #49 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 09:12:59 »
WILLIET The vineyard churches are the ones who bring holy laughter

and it is demonic....  My signature is great but to you who only know one side of the coin it's foolishness....


Holy laughter and slain in the spirit and drunk in the spirit are DEMONIC!


Vineyard churches are the ones who allow this - you guys have once again let your emotions rule....

I heard vineyard churches are great for that......

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« Reply #50 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 09:29:24 »
The pastor who was a lovely guy, said that nothing would be allowed to happen that wasnt in the Bible


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that's YOUR JOB! not the pastors.... Your responcible if it's biblical or not.... That's the problem people take their pastors word for it....


They searched the scriptures daily to see if what he said was true or NOT.



Your pastor goes and gets taught from a school who teaches what it feels the bible says and passes it on to the pastor.... Your getting hand me downs


Not to mention it's a 501c3 IRS church no doubt....

But Christians want good feelings and would never question the spirirt or the church


No one here can show scripture that shows holy laughter or drunk in the spirit is biblical, yet many vineyard churches approve or do holy laughter... 

I know you had a good time at the church with your feelings....

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #51 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 09:31:05 »
WILLIET The vineyard churches are the ones who bring holy laughter
and it is demonic....  My signature is great but to you who only know one side of the coin it's foolishness....
Holy laughter and slain in the spirit and drunk in the spirit are DEMONIC!
Vineyard churches are the ones who allow this - you guys have once again let your emotions rule....
I heard vineyard churches are great for that......
"I heard....."  Yeah, your entire premise.  You truly KNOW nothing of Vineyard churches.

And you just called all those believers present at the first Pentecost after the crucifixion DEMONIC.  Probably not the smartest move you ever made.

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« Reply #52 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 09:34:16 »
WILLIET The vineyard churches are the ones who bring holy laughter

and it is demonic....  My signature is great but to you who only know one side of the coin it's foolishness....


Holy laughter and slain in the spirit and drunk in the spirit are DEMONIC!

No, it isn't demonic. You are speaking out of ignorance and fear of what God is doing among His people.


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Vineyard churches are the ones who allow this - you guys have once again let your emotions rule....

Churches who do not hinder Holy Spirit experience His manifestations of His presence, and the work He does in people who love God and seek after Him.


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I heard vineyard churches are great for that......

The first giveaway that you speak errantly: "I heard..."


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« Reply #53 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 09:37:15 »
Is not saying something from the Holy Spirit is of demonic origin awefully close to the unforgivable sin of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit?



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« Reply #54 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 09:38:57 »
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I know you had a good time at the church with your feelings....

I'm sorry that you don't enjoy church.  Try a Vineyard. God's there.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #55 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 09:41:47 »
The pastor who was a lovely guy, said that nothing would be allowed to happen that wasnt in the Bible


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that's YOUR JOB! not the pastors.... Your responcible if it's biblical or not.... That's the problem people take their pastors word for it....


They searched the scriptures daily to see if what he said was true or NOT.



Your pastor goes and gets taught from a school who teaches what it feels the bible says and passes it on to the pastor.... Your getting hand me downs


Not to mention it's a 501c3 IRS church no doubt....

But Christians want good feelings and would never question the spirirt or the church


No one here can show scripture that shows holy laughter or drunk in the spirit is biblical, yet many vineyard churches approve or do holy laughter... 

I know you had a good time at the church with your feelings....

I suspect that you have never been to a vineyard church. I have and nothing happend there that wasnt as described by Paul in the Bible. The gifts of the spirit were used as described by Paul.  I am the last person to go along with anything that the pastor says that isnt right or biblical. I  question a lot. 

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« Reply #56 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 09:43:10 »
Is not saying something from the Holy Spirit is of demonic origin awefully close to the unforgivable sin of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit?
 

Yes very very close I would say.

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« Reply #57 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 10:31:47 »
They were NOT ACTING DRUNK! They were speaking foreign languages!(acts 2:6-8)

They were NOT LAUGHING OUT OF CONTROL! they were speaking foreign languages!

Holy laughter is a vineyard based demonic indwellment of the believer!

It is NOT backed in anyway by scripture
and in fact as you've been shown here it falsely uses scripture

yet Christians accept it from God yet can't show anywhere in the word to back their belief


Those who laugh are indwelled by a devil!

But still some foolish people on here will argue against me over this even when their wrong!

If it's not based on scripture it's demonic!


Twist the word from foreign language to laughter and pay no mind to the scripture that codemns you!

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« Reply #58 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 10:35:39 »
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Is not saying something from the Holy Spirit is of demonic origin awefully close to the unforgivable sin of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit?
 

Yes very very close I would say.



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Exactly what I'm talking about... Christians having no idea about holy laughter and thinking it's close to blashphmey of the spirit!

Find out before you speak in error. 

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« Reply #59 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 10:40:34 »
Is not saying something from the Holy Spirit is of demonic origin awefully close to the unforgivable sin of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit?
 

Yes very very close I would say.



Here again you speak of things you know not about..


If holy laughter WAS from God then I WOULD HAVE BLASHPHEMED THE HOLY SPIRIT

saying I'm very close Shows you don't know what it entails.

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« Reply #60 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 10:48:20 »
Exactly what I'm talking about... Christians having no idea about holy laughter and thinking it's close to blashphmey of the spirit!

Find out before you speak in error.
I am not calling holy laugher close to blaspheming the Spirit.  I am saying attributing it to the devil MIGHT be.

Luke 6.21 “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied.
“Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

Laughing is a blessing from the Lord.  It is a form of rejoicing which is COMMANDED.

Rejoice in the Lord always.  I say it again: Rejoice.   That can take the form of laughter.

As to drunken appearance, just talking a different language does not get people thinking you are drunk. In Eph 5, Paul contrasts being drunk with being filled with the spirit.  IOW, he is playing to their outward similarity but inner difference.

Even Jesus was accused of being a "winebibber" i.e. a drunkard.

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« Reply #61 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 10:52:51 »
If holy laughter WAS from God then I WOULD HAVE BLASHPHEMED THE HOLY SPIRIT

saying I'm very close Shows you don't know what it entails.
Blaspheming the HS is attributing his supernatural works to the devil when you know it is actually from God.

The reason I say "close" is I think you do not know it is from God.

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« Reply #62 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 10:56:56 »
They were NOT ACTING DRUNK! They were speaking foreign languages!(acts 2:6-8)

They were NOT LAUGHING OUT OF CONTROL! they were speaking foreign languages!

Holy laughter is a vineyard based demonic indwellment of the believer!

It is NOT backed in anyway by scripture
and in fact as you've been shown here it falsely uses scripture

yet Christians accept it from God yet can't show anywhere in the word to back their belief


Those who laugh are indwelled by a devil!

But still some foolish people on here will argue against me over this even when their wrong!

If it's not based on scripture it's demonic!


Twist the word from foreign language to laughter and pay no mind to the scripture that codemns you!

When a person under the presence of Holy spirit laughs, it is the joy of the Lord. I have had this experience two or three times in my life with the laying on of hands. It is not evil, but of God. You may think it is not of God, but that is only your unlearned and inexperienced  opinion. I happen to know otherwise.

I have also seen people under the presence of Holy Spirit behave in a way that looks drunken, but that is also another manifestation of joy.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #63 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 11:05:07 »
Luke 6.21 “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied.
“Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

Laughing is a blessing from the Lord.  It is a form of rejoicing which is COMMANDED.

Rejoice in the Lord always.  I say it again: Rejoice.   That can take the form of laughter.

It goes on to say that people that laugh will be mourning and weeping.  ::pondering::

Luke 6:24 “But woe to you who are rich,
    for you have already received your comfort.
25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
    for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
    for you will mourn and weep.

26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you,
    for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #64 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 11:14:43 »
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When a person under the presence of Holy spirit laughs, it is the joy of the Lord. I have had this experience two or three times in my life with the laying on of hands. It is not evil, but of God. You may think it is not of God, but that is only your unlearned and inexperienced  opinion. I happen to know otherwise.

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Do you hear yourself? Have you ever seen holy laughter in action? 


Even when you show them it's not backed and falsely uses scipture, we can count on lively stone to stand up for it..... Can you show scripture to back holy laughter


Or do you wanna use Acts like they do?  Your a foolish girl!

Do you have a husband you can learn from..... Lol 

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #65 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 11:21:01 »
Davew said:

Luke 6.21 “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied.
“Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.


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but this laughing is when Jesus is ruling and Not talking about our life now.

We are weeping now!  Were suppose to be sober not act all out of control (for what's about to prove the world)

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no where does scripture show the holy spirit coming on people and making them laugh...

That's not a job of the HS

it's job is to lead in truth and Help us become like Jesus.


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« Reply #66 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 11:26:14 »
Livelystone said

When a person under the presence of Holy spirit laughs, it is the joy of the Lord. I have had this experience two or three times in my life with the laying on of hands. It is not evil, but of God. You may think it is not of God, but that is only your unlearned and inexperienced  opinion. I happen to know otherwise.

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Do you hear yourself? Have you ever seen holy laughter in action? 

Do you not read? I have experienced it. I have also seen it.


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Even when you show them it's not backed and falsely uses scipture, we can count on lively stone to stand up for it..... Can you show scripture to back holy laughter


Or do you wanna use Acts like they do?  Your a foolish girl!

No, you are the foolish one, here, strutting in here and insulting people on things you know nothing about.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #67 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 11:33:09 »
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that is only your unlearned and inexperienced  opinion. I happen to know otherwise.

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I base it on the scripture THEY USE - falsely
what do you base it on?


So I guess you don't have scripture to back your foolish claims?


What's worst is after showing what verse they base it on as being false

you TEACH OTHERS to do as you do....

You've been indwelled by a devil if you've did holy laughter


The holy spirit leaves those who laugh the holy laughter


Now I know why yoU fight me so..... With nothing but feeling to back your claims!


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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #68 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 11:38:26 »
Lively stone said

that is only your unlearned and inexperienced  opinion. I happen to know otherwise.

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I base it on the scripture THEY USE - falsely
what do you base it on?


So I guess you don't have scripture to back your foolish claims?


What's worst is after showing what verse they base it on as being false

you TEACH OTHERS to do as you do....

You've been indwelled by a devil if you've did holy laughter


The holy spirit leaves those who laugh the holy laughter


Now I know why yoU fight me so..... With nothing but feeling to back your claims!

I don't have to defend Holy Spirit and how He works in His people. You attack Him and He will deal with you.

Scripture is rife with expressions about the joy of the Lord. Sometimes the joy comes in a huge dose and as a manifestation of the heavy presence of God. I have the anointing of joy on my life, and the manifestation of joy in laughter was the anointing I received.

You can poo-poo that all you like. It doesn't hurt me, because I know what I know. But it does grieve Holy Spirit. so, you need to curb your accusations and your condemnation. You speak of things you know nothing of.

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Re: Vineyard churches (Some questions)
« Reply #69 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 11:48:25 »
Lively stone said:

Yes, and he learns from me.

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a mans NOT suppose to get his learning from a woman!



1Cor 14:34 let your women keep silent in the churches
14:35 and if they will learn ANYTHING let them ask their husbands at home.


1Tim 2:12 but I suffer NOT a woman to TEACH - NOR to upsurp authority over a man
(your teaching on grace forums - would God go against himself and bless your teaching?

No ofcourse not... That's why you and I disagree on many things...... Woman



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