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what wrong with mormons
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I have a good friends who Mormons what so bad about their religions, their Christan's to.

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« Reply #1 on: Sun Sep 04, 2011 - 20:35:18 »
I have a good friends who Mormons what so bad about their religions, their Christan's to.
I've no doubt that many Mormons strive to be true followers of Jesus Christ. That being said there are many aspects of Mormonism that are considered...unorthodox. Polygamy and child marriages, for example.

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Sep 04, 2011 - 20:40:37 »
I have a good friends who Mormons what so bad about their religions, their Christan's to.

What's wrong, basically, is that they incorrectly identify who Jesus is. Of they don't know who He is, then they cannot really know Him, nor can they introduce anyone to Him. It is a false religion, and that said, they are not Christians at all.

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Sep 08, 2011 - 13:53:33 »
That whole "men are going to be gods and rule their own planets" thing. And then the idea that women are supposed to produce children for these gods-to-be.

Then, there's the secrecy aspects of the whole thing.

Christianity - to be Christianity has to fit into what God has been after all along. Using the name of Jesus from time to time does not a Christian make.

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Sep 08, 2011 - 14:34:10 »
That whole "men are going to be gods and rule their own planets" thing.

In addition to sounding like a load of bunk, I'd hate to have a gig like that.  We have a 2700 ft house on about an acre and I want to downsize to a condo and someone's thinking about making me responsible for a whole planet throughout all eternity?  Sounds more like a punishment than a reward.

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What is wrong with them?   Glenn Beck!   That's what is wrong with them.

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« Reply #6 on: Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 10:28:34 »
I would encourage folk to learn about how the Mormon Church began.  If you still want to be with them after that, then there's not much left to be said.

Joseph Smith and his brother were con men, and to call them sex addicts might also be appropriate.  Joseph Smith's illustrious career began in the state of New York where he had built up a fortune-telling business with his magic rocks.  He conned people into believing that he could tell them their future which would be revealed to him by his magic rocks.  The state of New York finally locked him up, later released him, and told him to never again come to New York state.  Smith relocated to Ohio.  He landed in Kirkland, Ohio, where he met a man named Sidney Rigdon.  Sidney had been a Restoration Movement preacher who was an associate of Alexander Campbell, who is most associated with the Churches of Christ today.  Paul Conkin, in his book, "American Originals," tells about the beginnings of the Mormon Church.  Professor Conkin is of the opinion that Sidney Rigdon, who was a trained theologian, wrote most, or perhaps all, of the Book of Mormon.  Joseph's brother later raped Sidney Rigdon's young daughter.  Fast forward some years and another famous Mormon, Brigham Young, has climbed up through the power ranks and he and Joseph Smith are at odds.  Smith and his brother, Hyum, were in an Illinois jail.  There are two sides to this story. One is that the Smith brothers forcefully broke out of jail.  The other side is that Brigham Young wanted Joseph Smith gone and he arranged for the Smith brothers to easily escape jail.  As the two left they were shot down and it happened as though they were expected to be leaving and there were shooters waiting for them.  If rape and murder are your cup of tea then the Mormons are for you!  Also, think about whether or not you believe that the Mormons are the true Church, the elect, and think about whether or not you believe as they do that Jesus Christ is the brother of Lucifer.  If all of that is OK with you, then go for it.

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 11:17:25 »
I would encourage folk to learn about how the Mormon Church began.  If you still want to be with them after that, then there's not much left to be said.

Joseph Smith and his brother were con men, and to call them sex addicts might also be appropriate.  Joseph Smith's illustrious career began in the state of New York where he had built up a fortune-telling business with his magic rocks.  He conned people into believing that he could tell them their future which would be revealed to him by his magic rocks.  The state of New York finally locked him up, later released him, and told him to never again come to New York state.  Smith relocated to Ohio.  He landed in Kirkland, Ohio, where he met a man named Sidney Rigdon.  Sidney had been a Restoration Movement preacher who was an associate of Alexander Campbell, who is most associated with the Churches of Christ today.  Paul Conkin, in his book, "American Originals," tells about the beginnings of the Mormon Church.  Professor Conkin is of the opinion that Sidney Rigdon, who was a trained theologian, wrote most, or perhaps all, of the Book of Mormon.  Joseph's brother later raped Sidney Rigdon's young daughter.  Fast forward some years and another famous Mormon, Brigham Young, has climbed up through the power ranks and he and Joseph Smith are at odds.  Smith and his brother, Hyum, were in an Illinois jail.  There are two sides to this story. One is that the Smith brothers forcefully broke out of jail.  The other side is that Brigham Young wanted Joseph Smith gone and he arranged for the Smith brothers to easily escape jail.  As the two left they were shot down and it happened as though they were expected to be leaving and there were shooters waiting for them.  If rape and murder are your cup of tea then the Mormons are for you!  Also, think about whether or not you believe that the Mormons are the true Church, the elect, and think about whether or not you believe as they do that Jesus Christ is the brother of Lucifer.  If all of that is OK with you, then go for it.

I hope nobody here read this quoted post and formed any opinions on the Mormon faith from it.  I am not Mormon nor do I necessarily believe Mormonism to be the most righteous path to God but this post is deplorable.

It's filled with lies, half-truths, and very heavy opinionated wording that leaves it reading like a comic book.  Obviously if this were the accurate story, there would be no such sect.

I implore anyone wishing to know more about Mormon faith to do their own research.  The problem with asking anonymous message board posters is that you get ridiculous regurgitations of spiteful, scorned or self righteous propagandists like notreligus... who, by the way, as noted by his name, is not here to discuss but to openly debate and deny.  Hardly constructive.

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« Reply #8 on: Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 16:06:53 »
I would encourage folk to learn about how the Mormon Church began.  If you still want to be with them after that, then there's not much left to be said.

Joseph Smith and his brother were con men, and to call them sex addicts might also be appropriate.  Joseph Smith's illustrious career began in the state of New York where he had built up a fortune-telling business with his magic rocks.  He conned people into believing that he could tell them their future which would be revealed to him by his magic rocks.  The state of New York finally locked him up, later released him, and told him to never again come to New York state.  Smith relocated to Ohio.  He landed in Kirkland, Ohio, where he met a man named Sidney Rigdon.  Sidney had been a Restoration Movement preacher who was an associate of Alexander Campbell, who is most associated with the Churches of Christ today.  Paul Conkin, in his book, "American Originals," tells about the beginnings of the Mormon Church.  Professor Conkin is of the opinion that Sidney Rigdon, who was a trained theologian, wrote most, or perhaps all, of the Book of Mormon.  Joseph's brother later raped Sidney Rigdon's young daughter.  Fast forward some years and another famous Mormon, Brigham Young, has climbed up through the power ranks and he and Joseph Smith are at odds.  Smith and his brother, Hyum, were in an Illinois jail.  There are two sides to this story. One is that the Smith brothers forcefully broke out of jail.  The other side is that Brigham Young wanted Joseph Smith gone and he arranged for the Smith brothers to easily escape jail.  As the two left they were shot down and it happened as though they were expected to be leaving and there were shooters waiting for them.  If rape and murder are your cup of tea then the Mormons are for you!  Also, think about whether or not you believe that the Mormons are the true Church, the elect, and think about whether or not you believe as they do that Jesus Christ is the brother of Lucifer.  If all of that is OK with you, then go for it.


I hope nobody here read this quoted post and formed any opinions on the Mormon faith from it.  I am not Mormon nor do I necessarily believe Mormonism to be the most righteous path to God but this post is deplorable.

It's filled with lies, half-truths, and very heavy opinionated wording that leaves it reading like a comic book.  Obviously if this were the accurate story, there would be no such sect.

I implore anyone wishing to know more about Mormon faith to do their own research.  The problem with asking anonymous message board posters is that you get ridiculous regurgitations of spiteful, scorned or self righteous propagandists like notreligus... who, by the way, as noted by his name, is not here to discuss but to openly debate and deny.  Hardly constructive.


First of all, you would not stand toe-to-toe with me and call me a liar.  

Obviously???   Why are there so many Calvinists?  John Calvin had Michael Servetus arrested and subsequently Servetus was burned to the stake.  Servetus disagreed with Calvin on infant baptism and the Trinity.  Calvin discusses his disagreements with Servetus in his "Institutes of the Christian religion.  Is that also from a comic book?  Is not Calvin the most influential theologian of all time?  Do you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about?  Provide the unbiased proof from outside of the Mormon Church that I am wrong.    

I don't know where you maintain your existence but it is not in the real world.

Everything that I have stated about Joseph Smith is detailed in this book:



Professor Conkin is still a professor at Vanderbilt University.  I have communicated with him.

Also, if you don't believe the information about Sidney Rigdon, that is also covered in this book:



I believe that you are a Mormon and don't want this truth to be exposed.

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Re: what wrong with mormons
« Reply #9 on: Fri Sep 30, 2011 - 02:25:50 »
I would encourage folk to learn about how the Mormon Church began.  If you still want to be with them after that, then there's not much left to be said.

Joseph Smith and his brother were con men, and to call them sex addicts might also be appropriate.  Joseph Smith's illustrious career began in the state of New York where he had built up a fortune-telling business with his magic rocks.  He conned people into believing that he could tell them their future which would be revealed to him by his magic rocks.  The state of New York finally locked him up, later released him, and told him to never again come to New York state.  Smith relocated to Ohio.  He landed in Kirkland, Ohio, where he met a man named Sidney Rigdon.  Sidney had been a Restoration Movement preacher who was an associate of Alexander Campbell, who is most associated with the Churches of Christ today.  Paul Conkin, in his book, "American Originals," tells about the beginnings of the Mormon Church.  Professor Conkin is of the opinion that Sidney Rigdon, who was a trained theologian, wrote most, or perhaps all, of the Book of Mormon.  Joseph's brother later raped Sidney Rigdon's young daughter.  Fast forward some years and another famous Mormon, Brigham Young, has climbed up through the power ranks and he and Joseph Smith are at odds.  Smith and his brother, Hyum, were in an Illinois jail.  There are two sides to this story. One is that the Smith brothers forcefully broke out of jail.  The other side is that Brigham Young wanted Joseph Smith gone and he arranged for the Smith brothers to easily escape jail.  As the two left they were shot down and it happened as though they were expected to be leaving and there were shooters waiting for them.  If rape and murder are your cup of tea then the Mormons are for you!  Also, think about whether or not you believe that the Mormons are the true Church, the elect, and think about whether or not you believe as they do that Jesus Christ is the brother of Lucifer.  If all of that is OK with you, then go for it.


I hope nobody here read this quoted post and formed any opinions on the Mormon faith from it.  I am not Mormon nor do I necessarily believe Mormonism to be the most righteous path to God but this post is deplorable.

It's filled with lies, half-truths, and very heavy opinionated wording that leaves it reading like a comic book.  Obviously if this were the accurate story, there would be no such sect.

I implore anyone wishing to know more about Mormon faith to do their own research.  The problem with asking anonymous message board posters is that you get ridiculous regurgitations of spiteful, scorned or self righteous propagandists like notreligus... who, by the way, as noted by his name, is not here to discuss but to openly debate and deny.  Hardly constructive.


First of all, you would not stand toe-to-toe with me and call me a liar.  

Obviously???   Why are there so many Calvinists?  John Calvin had Michael Servetus arrested and subsequently Servetus was burned to the stake.  Servetus disagreed with Calvin on infant baptism and the Trinity.  Calvin discusses his disagreements with Servetus in his "Institutes of the Christian religion.  Is that also from a comic book?  Is not Calvin the most influential theologian of all time?  Do you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about?  Provide the unbiased proof from outside of the Mormon Church that I am wrong.    

I don't know where you maintain your existence but it is not in the real world.

Everything that I have stated about Joseph Smith is detailed in this book:



Professor Conkin is still a professor at Vanderbilt University.  I have communicated with him.

Also, if you don't believe the information about Sidney Rigdon, that is also covered in this book:



I believe that you are a Mormon and don't want this truth to be exposed.


1. You will not make statements that seek to intimidate anyone on this site and in this community. I will not be repeating that.

2. In regards to your comments about Joseph Smith and Mormonism, to make the accusations you have made you must first provide evidence. If you don't its considered flaming.

3. I must be frank in saying you have lost all credibility with me, when you implied that John Calvin, a protestant theologian who showed nearly 1600 late in the manner of Christianity, was the most influential theologian of all time. That was a most ignorant statement in and of itself.

One of the most influential theologians would be pushing it but calling him the influential theologian is to be ignorant of the respected minds of Christianity.

I'm a Catholic and I'd place Luther and Weasely over Calvin in accuracy and influence.

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Re: what wrong with mormons
« Reply #10 on: Sun Oct 09, 2011 - 22:42:44 »
Note: the above history about Smith in Jail is very mixed up; he was in jail because he had had a newspaper press destroyed by his militia for printing the truth abut him. He died at the jail when a mob attacked.  He wasn't inocent he had a gun and shot back..

Here are some key Mormon teachings:

God had a father and mother; there are an infinite number of gods.

"You have got to learn to becom gods yourselves and to be kings and priests to God the same as all gods have done before you."

"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret...I am going to tell you how God came to be God.  W have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity.  I will refute that idea and take away the veil...

"It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the charachter of God...and that He was once a man like us..." History of the Church 6:305--Joseph Smith

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Oct 13, 2011 - 10:54:09 »
Judaism and Christianity are Monotheistic belief systems.

Mormonism is not monotheisic by any stretch.

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« Reply #12 on: Mon Oct 17, 2011 - 23:48:25 »
Reading the book of Mormon, I have noted that its teaching on baptism is very similiar to Restoration Movement doctrine. It sounds as if whoever wrote it was tired of arguing about the subject, and just flat out declared that all who were not baptized by immersion were not going to heaven. No beating around the bush the way the NT does. I suspect Rigdon did have some influence in its writing.

 

     
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