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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #105 on: Fri Sep 07, 2012 - 08:15:18 »
For those who want a man/priest, pastor, etc, to teach you...that is fine, as long as you 'test the spirits', to see if they are of God, and you can only do that by the scriptures themselves..not by taking any man's word for it.

When we are saved, we have no need for no man to teach us, that is the promise of the new covenant, that individually, we shall all KNOW Him, because when He resides in you, you can hear HIS VOICE.

Teachers, in the biblical perspective were to be teaching the gospel to the lost.



And the two different people in whom "He" resides look at the same Scriptures and come up with two different interpretation of the same passage then who is right? Who decides?
 
Oh, you will say that we can go to the Scriptures to decide. Ok,  but then whose determination of the new passage we have now gone to, to help decide the passage we are trying to decide is correct? Round and round we go!
 
No, I disagree. We all have the need for a competant religious authority to help decide such things. That's the problem with your argument. Jesus would have just written a book and left us alone with the Holy Spirit to figure things out. The fact is he didn't. Other humans were needed to help guide us. First the Apostles, their successors, and a church.

How do you interpret this?

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Putting it within the context of the passages immediately preceding it, it is the "annoiting" that is the truth, that Christ gives eternal life to us all. That we should abide in Him as He abides in us as our Savior.
 
Teaching us ALL things? No, not really. The eunech needed Phillip's help. There are seminaries where people go for more knowledge of the Holy Word.

Just so you know. I agree the Eunuch  needed Phillip's help, for he had not yet received the Holy Spirit. That is the purpose of 'teachers' in the new covenant, to aid those who have not yet been saved, to teach the gospel to the lost.

Act 8:15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 

 Act 8:16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 

You are not saved until you receive the Holy Spirit.

The Eunuch, was on his way to being saved, and Phillip taught him the gospel, by showing him the verses in the bible that would preach the good news of Jesus Christ.

Act 8:30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" 


 Act 8:31 And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him. 


 Act 8:32 The place in the Scripture which he read was this: "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He opened not His mouth. 


 Act 8:33 In His humiliation His justice was taken away, And who will declare His generation? For His life is taken from the earth." [fn] 


 Act 8:34 So the eunuch answered Philip and said, "I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?" 


 Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #106 on: Fri Sep 07, 2012 - 09:32:11 »
For those who want a man/priest, pastor, etc, to teach you...that is fine, as long as you 'test the spirits', to see if they are of God, and you can only do that by the scriptures themselves..not by taking any man's word for it.

When we are saved, we have no need for no man to teach us, that is the promise of the new covenant, that individually, we shall all KNOW Him, because when He resides in you, you can hear HIS VOICE.

Teachers, in the biblical perspective were to be teaching the gospel to the lost.



And the two different people in whom "He" resides look at the same Scriptures and come up with two different interpretation of the same passage then who is right? Who decides?
 
Oh, you will say that we can go to the Scriptures to decide. Ok,  but then whose determination of the new passage we have now gone to, to help decide the passage we are trying to decide is correct? Round and round we go!
 
No, I disagree. We all have the need for a competant religious authority to help decide such things. That's the problem with your argument. Jesus would have just written a book and left us alone with the Holy Spirit to figure things out. The fact is he didn't. Other humans were needed to help guide us. First the Apostles, their successors, and a church.

How do you interpret this?

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Putting it within the context of the passages immediately preceding it, it is the "annoiting" that is the truth, that Christ gives eternal life to us all. That we should abide in Him as He abides in us as our Savior.
 
Teaching us ALL things? No, not really. The eunech needed Phillip's help. There are seminaries where people go for more knowledge of the Holy Word.

Just so you know. I agree the Eunuch  needed Phillip's help, for he had not yet received the Holy Spirit. That is the purpose of 'teachers' in the new covenant, to aid those who have not yet been saved, to teach the gospel to the lost.

Act 8:15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 

 Act 8:16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 

You are not saved until you receive the Holy Spirit.

The Eunuch, was on his way to being saved, and Phillip taught him the gospel, by showing him the verses in the bible that would preach the good news of Jesus Christ.

Act 8:30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" 


 Act 8:31 And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him. 


 Act 8:32 The place in the Scripture which he read was this: "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He opened not His mouth. 


 Act 8:33 In His humiliation His justice was taken away, And who will declare His generation? For His life is taken from the earth." [fn] 


 Act 8:34 So the eunuch answered Philip and said, "I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?" 


 Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 

Ok, but  I believe that does not lesson the need for competant authority to continue helping him in his spiritual journey.
 
If it is as you say that all you need is to believe and immediately have the Holy Spirit, then why are there seminaries? Don't those who attend such institutions believe and therefore have the Holy Spirit within them?
 
Why would they spend the time and money to attend such places and put themselves under the tutellege of religious scholars? Your line of thinking does not seem to make sense to me.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #107 on: Fri Sep 07, 2012 - 09:33:22 »
Many of you like to fill pages with cluttered text - most just copy/paste - with no explanation of any sort of understanding.

I see that as simply self satisfying.  Sort of like speaking in tongues in front of the congregation with no interpretation.

So I will address only one thing where I feel another's study and sharing helped me change my mind on a Biblical principle.

The woman at the well asked Jesus a question.  He answered that a time was coming, and was then, that worship would be done in Spirit and truth.  (Go look it up if you have to have your translation's literal wording.)

For a long time I believed (because I didn't think for myself enough) that this meant we would have to be spiritual and truthful in our worship.
This is not what He answered.

The woman asked WHERE worship should be done.  And He answered WHERE.  The meaning of spirit here is "pneuma" (sp?)... breath, wind... air... breeze.  Meaning God is everywhere, not confined to a temple or a mountain.  And we are to worship Him everywhere we are... wherever we go.  This takes the monstrous importance we have placed on our places of worship (church buildings) and puts it into somewhat of a position of question.  Now, you can decide the answer to that "question" for yourself.  I really don't care too much.  But for me, the study and assistance of another man opened my eyes wide to how Jesus said we should be viewing worship.

And a whole long line of Preachers, Priests, and Rabbis had all told me just the opposite all my life.  They each said, basically:  "Yeah, but TRUE worship of God, the way He instructed it, is to be done HERE.   Not only in one of our authorized buildings, but also through our sanctified denomination.

Thank God for other brothers (and SISTERS) teaching the rest of us.  Speaking of that, what did Priscilla and Aquila do... and with whom?  This was not an unbeliever.  He just had things screwed up in his mind.... as so many of us right here do.  And except for about a half dozen people Satan still has a solid grip on here, don't we all think we are Believers?

(And just to make it clear........ I believe Evangelists are for outreach to the unbelievers, and Teachers are to help keep the body (the congregation, if you will) from getting off line, and beginning to develop all sorts of laws and rules to live by and for worship.  Just like the Israelites, we will go hog-wild with that strange fire if not restrained a little by reason and logic.... (teaching)
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #108 on: Fri Sep 07, 2012 - 09:41:03 »
Many of you like to fill pages with cluttered text - most just copy/paste - with no explanation of any sort of understanding.

I see that as simply self satisfying.  Sort of like speaking in tongues in front of the congregation with no interpretation.

So I will address only one thing where I feel another's study and sharing helped me change my mind on a Biblical principle.

The woman at the well asked Jesus a question.  He answered that a time was coming, and was then, that worship would be done in Spirit and truth.  (Go look it up if you have to have your translation's literal wording.)

For a long time I believed (because I didn't think for myself enough) that this meant we would have to be spiritual and truthful in our worship.
This is not what He answered.

The woman asked WHERE worship should be done.  And He answered WHERE.  The meaning of spirit here is "pneuma" (sp?)... breath, wind... air... breeze.  Meaning God is everywhere, not confined to a temple or a mountain.  And we are to worship Him everywhere we are... wherever we go.  This takes the monstrous importance we have placed on our places of worship (church buildings) and puts it into somewhat of a position of question.  Now, you can decide the answer to that "question" for yourself.  I really don't care too much.  But for me, the study and assistance of another man opened my eyes wide to how Jesus said we should be viewing worship.

And a whole long line of Preachers, Priests, and Rabbis had all told me just the opposite all my life.  They each said, basically:  "Yeah, but TRUE worship of God, the way He instructed it, is to be done HERE.   Not only in one of our authorized buildings, but also through our sanctified denomination.

Thank God for other brothers (and SISTERS) teaching the rest of us.  Speaking of that, what did Priscilla and Aquila do... and with whom?  This was not an unbeliever.  He just had things screwed up in his mind.... as so many of us right here do.  And except for about a half dozen people Satan still has a solid grip on here, don't we all think we are Believers?
I agree with what you said! But didn't God also make it where we need each other!

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #109 on: Fri Sep 07, 2012 - 09:49:57 »
Many of you like to fill pages with cluttered text - most just copy/paste - with no explanation of any sort of understanding.

I see that as simply self satisfying.  Sort of like speaking in tongues in front of the congregation with no interpretation.

So I will address only one thing where I feel another's study and sharing helped me change my mind on a Biblical principle.

The woman at the well asked Jesus a question.  He answered that a time was coming, and was then, that worship would be done in Spirit and truth.  (Go look it up if you have to have your translation's literal wording.)

For a long time I believed (because I didn't think for myself enough) that this meant we would have to be spiritual and truthful in our worship.
This is not what He answered.

The woman asked WHERE worship should be done.  And He answered WHERE.  The meaning of spirit here is "pneuma" (sp?)... breath, wind... air... breeze.  Meaning God is everywhere, not confined to a temple or a mountain.  And we are to worship Him everywhere we are... wherever we go.  This takes the monstrous importance we have placed on our places of worship (church buildings) and puts it into somewhat of a position of question.  Now, you can decide the answer to that "question" for yourself.  I really don't care too much.  But for me, the study and assistance of another man opened my eyes wide to how Jesus said we should be viewing worship.

And a whole long line of Preachers, Priests, and Rabbis had all told me just the opposite all my life.  They each said, basically:  "Yeah, but TRUE worship of God, the way He instructed it, is to be done HERE.   Not only in one of our authorized buildings, but also through our sanctified denomination.

Thank God for other brothers (and SISTERS) teaching the rest of us.  Speaking of that, what did Priscilla and Aquila do... and with whom?  This was not an unbeliever.  He just had things screwed up in his mind.... as so many of us right here do.  And except for about a half dozen people Satan still has a solid grip on here, don't we all think we are Believers?
I agree with what you said! But didn't God also make it where we need each other!
Isn't that exactly what I said?

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #110 on: Fri Sep 07, 2012 - 09:52:45 »
Many of you like to fill pages with cluttered text - most just copy/paste - with no explanation of any sort of understanding.

I see that as simply self satisfying.  Sort of like speaking in tongues in front of the congregation with no interpretation.

So I will address only one thing where I feel another's study and sharing helped me change my mind on a Biblical principle.

The woman at the well asked Jesus a question.  He answered that a time was coming, and was then, that worship would be done in Spirit and truth.  (Go look it up if you have to have your translation's literal wording.)

For a long time I believed (because I didn't think for myself enough) that this meant we would have to be spiritual and truthful in our worship.
This is not what He answered.

The woman asked WHERE worship should be done.  And He answered WHERE.  The meaning of spirit here is "pneuma" (sp?)... breath, wind... air... breeze.  Meaning God is everywhere, not confined to a temple or a mountain.  And we are to worship Him everywhere we are... wherever we go.  This takes the monstrous importance we have placed on our places of worship (church buildings) and puts it into somewhat of a position of question.  Now, you can decide the answer to that "question" for yourself.  I really don't care too much.  But for me, the study and assistance of another man opened my eyes wide to how Jesus said we should be viewing worship.

And a whole long line of Preachers, Priests, and Rabbis had all told me just the opposite all my life.  They each said, basically:  "Yeah, but TRUE worship of God, the way He instructed it, is to be done HERE.   Not only in one of our authorized buildings, but also through our sanctified denomination.

Thank God for other brothers (and SISTERS) teaching the rest of us.  Speaking of that, what did Priscilla and Aquila do... and with whom?  This was not an unbeliever.  He just had things screwed up in his mind.... as so many of us right here do.  And except for about a half dozen people Satan still has a solid grip on here, don't we all think we are Believers?
I agree with what you said! But didn't God also make it where we need each other!
Isn't that exactly what I said?
sorry..I must have read it wrong..

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #111 on: Fri Sep 07, 2012 - 09:54:40 »
Many of you like to fill pages with cluttered text - most just copy/paste - with no explanation of any sort of understanding.

I see that as simply self satisfying.  Sort of like speaking in tongues in front of the congregation with no interpretation.

So I will address only one thing where I feel another's study and sharing helped me change my mind on a Biblical principle.

The woman at the well asked Jesus a question.  He answered that a time was coming, and was then, that worship would be done in Spirit and truth.  (Go look it up if you have to have your translation's literal wording.)

For a long time I believed (because I didn't think for myself enough) that this meant we would have to be spiritual and truthful in our worship.
This is not what He answered.

The woman asked WHERE worship should be done.  And He answered WHERE.  The meaning of spirit here is "pneuma" (sp?)... breath, wind... air... breeze.  Meaning God is everywhere, not confined to a temple or a mountain.  And we are to worship Him everywhere we are... wherever we go.  This takes the monstrous importance we have placed on our places of worship (church buildings) and puts it into somewhat of a position of question.  Now, you can decide the answer to that "question" for yourself.  I really don't care too much.  But for me, the study and assistance of another man opened my eyes wide to how Jesus said we should be viewing worship.

And a whole long line of Preachers, Priests, and Rabbis had all told me just the opposite all my life.  They each said, basically:  "Yeah, but TRUE worship of God, the way He instructed it, is to be done HERE.   Not only in one of our authorized buildings, but also through our sanctified denomination.

Thank God for other brothers (and SISTERS) teaching the rest of us.  Speaking of that, what did Priscilla and Aquila do... and with whom?  This was not an unbeliever.  He just had things screwed up in his mind.... as so many of us right here do.  And except for about a half dozen people Satan still has a solid grip on here, don't we all think we are Believers?
I agree with what you said! But didn't God also make it where we need each other!
Isn't that exactly what I said?
sorry..I must have read it wrong..
This was from some talks with another brother, a friend, in his Living Room. 

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #112 on: Fri Sep 07, 2012 - 13:09:11 »
For those who want a man/priest, pastor, etc, to teach you...that is fine, as long as you 'test the spirits', to see if they are of God, and you can only do that by the scriptures themselves..not by taking any man's word for it.

When we are saved, we have no need for no man to teach us, that is the promise of the new covenant, that individually, we shall all KNOW Him, because when He resides in you, you can hear HIS VOICE.

Teachers, in the biblical perspective were to be teaching the gospel to the lost.



And the two different people in whom "He" resides look at the same Scriptures and come up with two different interpretation of the same passage then who is right? Who decides?
 
Oh, you will say that we can go to the Scriptures to decide. Ok,  but then whose determination of the new passage we have now gone to, to help decide the passage we are trying to decide is correct? Round and round we go!
 
No, I disagree. We all have the need for a competant religious authority to help decide such things. That's the problem with your argument. Jesus would have just written a book and left us alone with the Holy Spirit to figure things out. The fact is he didn't. Other humans were needed to help guide us. First the Apostles, their successors, and a church.

How do you interpret this?

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Putting it within the context of the passages immediately preceding it, it is the "annoiting" that is the truth, that Christ gives eternal life to us all. That we should abide in Him as He abides in us as our Savior.
 
Teaching us ALL things? No, not really. The eunech needed Phillip's help. There are seminaries where people go for more knowledge of the Holy Word.

Just so you know. I agree the Eunuch  needed Phillip's help, for he had not yet received the Holy Spirit. That is the purpose of 'teachers' in the new covenant, to aid those who have not yet been saved, to teach the gospel to the lost.

Act 8:15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 

 Act 8:16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 

You are not saved until you receive the Holy Spirit.

The Eunuch, was on his way to being saved, and Phillip taught him the gospel, by showing him the verses in the bible that would preach the good news of Jesus Christ.

Act 8:30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" 


 Act 8:31 And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him. 


 Act 8:32 The place in the Scripture which he read was this: "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He opened not His mouth. 


 Act 8:33 In His humiliation His justice was taken away, And who will declare His generation? For His life is taken from the earth." [fn] 


 Act 8:34 So the eunuch answered Philip and said, "I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?" 


 Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 

Ok, but  I believe that does not lesson the need for competant authority to continue helping him in his spiritual journey.
 
If it is as you say that all you need is to believe and immediately have the Holy Spirit, then why are there seminaries? Don't those who attend such institutions believe and therefore have the Holy Spirit within them?
 
Why would they spend the time and money to attend such places and put themselves under the tutellege of religious scholars? Your line of thinking does not seem to make sense to me.

I am NOT saying they do not have the Holy Spirit.

I am saying that IF they did not quench it in this area, there would be NO divisions.

Don't you realise it is men who divide/ Not God Himself?

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #113 on: Fri Sep 07, 2012 - 14:31:54 »
For those who want a man/priest, pastor, etc, to teach you...that is fine, as long as you 'test the spirits', to see if they are of God, and you can only do that by the scriptures themselves..not by taking any man's word for it.

When we are saved, we have no need for no man to teach us, that is the promise of the new covenant, that individually, we shall all KNOW Him, because when He resides in you, you can hear HIS VOICE.

Teachers, in the biblical perspective were to be teaching the gospel to the lost.



And the two different people in whom "He" resides look at the same Scriptures and come up with two different interpretation of the same passage then who is right? Who decides?
 
Oh, you will say that we can go to the Scriptures to decide. Ok,  but then whose determination of the new passage we have now gone to, to help decide the passage we are trying to decide is correct? Round and round we go!
 
No, I disagree. We all have the need for a competant religious authority to help decide such things. That's the problem with your argument. Jesus would have just written a book and left us alone with the Holy Spirit to figure things out. The fact is he didn't. Other humans were needed to help guide us. First the Apostles, their successors, and a church.

How do you interpret this?

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Putting it within the context of the passages immediately preceding it, it is the "annoiting" that is the truth, that Christ gives eternal life to us all. That we should abide in Him as He abides in us as our Savior.
 
Teaching us ALL things? No, not really. The eunech needed Phillip's help. There are seminaries where people go for more knowledge of the Holy Word.

Just so you know. I agree the Eunuch  needed Phillip's help, for he had not yet received the Holy Spirit. That is the purpose of 'teachers' in the new covenant, to aid those who have not yet been saved, to teach the gospel to the lost.

Act 8:15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 

 Act 8:16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 

You are not saved until you receive the Holy Spirit.

The Eunuch, was on his way to being saved, and Phillip taught him the gospel, by showing him the verses in the bible that would preach the good news of Jesus Christ.

Act 8:30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" 


 Act 8:31 And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him. 


 Act 8:32 The place in the Scripture which he read was this: "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He opened not His mouth. 


 Act 8:33 In His humiliation His justice was taken away, And who will declare His generation? For His life is taken from the earth." [fn] 


 Act 8:34 So the eunuch answered Philip and said, "I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?" 


 Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 

Ok, but  I believe that does not lesson the need for competant authority to continue helping him in his spiritual journey.
 
If it is as you say that all you need is to believe and immediately have the Holy Spirit, then why are there seminaries? Don't those who attend such institutions believe and therefore have the Holy Spirit within them?
 
Why would they spend the time and money to attend such places and put themselves under the tutellege of religious scholars? Your line of thinking does not seem to make sense to me.

I am NOT saying they do not have the Holy Spirit.

I am saying that IF they did not quench it in this area, there would be NO divisions.

Don't you realise it is men who divide/ Not God Himself?

Yes, I realise that - you are correct. At one time there was but one universal (catholic) church, then it was torn asunder by men who thought they knew better than the one which was established.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #114 on: Mon Sep 10, 2012 - 08:22:27 »
For those who want a man/priest, pastor, etc, to teach you...that is fine, as long as you 'test the spirits', to see if they are of God, and you can only do that by the scriptures themselves..not by taking any man's word for it.

When we are saved, we have no need for no man to teach us, that is the promise of the new covenant, that individually, we shall all KNOW Him, because when He resides in you, you can hear HIS VOICE.

Teachers, in the biblical perspective were to be teaching the gospel to the lost.



And the two different people in whom "He" resides look at the same Scriptures and come up with two different interpretation of the same passage then who is right? Who decides?
 
Oh, you will say that we can go to the Scriptures to decide. Ok,  but then whose determination of the new passage we have now gone to, to help decide the passage we are trying to decide is correct? Round and round we go!
 
No, I disagree. We all have the need for a competant religious authority to help decide such things. That's the problem with your argument. Jesus would have just written a book and left us alone with the Holy Spirit to figure things out. The fact is he didn't. Other humans were needed to help guide us. First the Apostles, their successors, and a church.

How do you interpret this?

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Putting it within the context of the passages immediately preceding it, it is the "annoiting" that is the truth, that Christ gives eternal life to us all. That we should abide in Him as He abides in us as our Savior.
 
Teaching us ALL things? No, not really. The eunech needed Phillip's help. There are seminaries where people go for more knowledge of the Holy Word.

Just so you know. I agree the Eunuch  needed Phillip's help, for he had not yet received the Holy Spirit. That is the purpose of 'teachers' in the new covenant, to aid those who have not yet been saved, to teach the gospel to the lost.

Act 8:15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 

 Act 8:16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 

You are not saved until you receive the Holy Spirit.

The Eunuch, was on his way to being saved, and Phillip taught him the gospel, by showing him the verses in the bible that would preach the good news of Jesus Christ.

Act 8:30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" 


 Act 8:31 And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him. 


 Act 8:32 The place in the Scripture which he read was this: "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He opened not His mouth. 


 Act 8:33 In His humiliation His justice was taken away, And who will declare His generation? For His life is taken from the earth." [fn] 


 Act 8:34 So the eunuch answered Philip and said, "I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?" 


 Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 

Ok, but  I believe that does not lesson the need for competant authority to continue helping him in his spiritual journey.
 
If it is as you say that all you need is to believe and immediately have the Holy Spirit, then why are there seminaries? Don't those who attend such institutions believe and therefore have the Holy Spirit within them?
 
Why would they spend the time and money to attend such places and put themselves under the tutellege of religious scholars? Your line of thinking does not seem to make sense to me.

I am NOT saying they do not have the Holy Spirit.

I am saying that IF they did not quench it in this area, there would be NO divisions.

Don't you realise it is men who divide/ Not God Himself?

Yes, I realise that - you are correct. At one time there was but one universal (catholic) church, then it was torn asunder by men who thought they knew better than the one which was established.

You have it all wrong, if you think the Catholic Denomination is the 'church', from the beginning.

God's church is not a man made denomination.

It began way back with the first man of faith.

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« Reply #115 on: Sun Sep 16, 2012 - 08:00:26 »
I am saying that IF they did not quench it in this area, there would be NO divisions.

Don't you realise it is men who divide/ Not God Himself?
Yes, I realise that - you are correct. At one time there was but one universal (catholic) church, then it was torn asunder by men who thought they knew better than the one which was established.

It was started by the ECFs systematicly excluding the early Jewish believers.  By ad 300 they were declared heretics and not invited to the table at the 325 First Nicean conference.

That put division and sectarianism into the spiritual "dna" of the church and the various splits were inevitable. They cannot be fixed until that first error is corrected.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #117 on: Fri Oct 19, 2012 - 06:06:12 »
It's the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus, Himself, 2,000 years ago.  It's the one with all the marks...

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/Teachings/churb2.htm   ::priest::

 
Caine had a mark  that all may recognise him and not slay him.
All those false religios of the world is of Caine.
Who by the sweat of his  brow and the work of his own hands he sought to establish his own rightousness before God.
His offerign God had no respect for./
Able on the other hand ofered the sacrafice of a lamb .Folowing the pattern God laid down in the garden .
His offering God had respect of.
It was not Able who was in decietfull diologue with Caine .
It was Caine who was in a subtle and deceitfull diologue with Able.
it was not Able that rose up and slew Caine.
But it was Caine who rose up and slew Able.
When Jesus was ministering in Jerusalem and beyond. Pilate and Herod never spoke to each other they were enemies.
But when it came to the judgign,condemnation and oppostion to  of Jesus they became freinds.
So it is with the Rcc.
She is even now joining with all those so called world faiths beign the perfection of idolitory.
and given the liberty all  those who are in diologue with her in some deceitfull ecumenical fashion will find out what sort she is and for many it will be too late.
My bible tells me that even the religion of Babylon and Jezzebel will remain into the last days.
and it will be in the church as well (rev 2)
and in these forums as well as many others  the drip drip drip of her deciets  is beign planted
and she openly upholds all those doctrins  that were found and proved to be wrong at the reformation and the bible today still so proves and she dares to judge and condemn the errors of what she calles the 'protestant' religion.
While she herself holds to such gross errors .
But as you said by thier fruist ye shall know them.
The church which is the true church Jesus said I will build .
If the tabernacle in the wildernes mad e with hands was of such exactitude .
Do you realy think that the  church not made with hands will be any less?
Do you realy think that the tabernacle made with hands that had no graven images in it for the people to worship and venerate .and with Gods express command thou shalt NOT make any graven image .....
Will be any less certain in the church not made with hands?
Is it not written that the true church has as its head Jesus who has been given to the church by God to be head over all things to the church?
How is it then that this you call the church has  a head that is not Christ?
How is it then that Jesus said as to the blood and the wine do this in remeberence of me .
for jesus died ONCE and for all.
That the blasphamy that is the mass seeks to crucyfy the Lord every time it is said?
How is it that by the scriptures there are only two lawfull and acceptable preisthoods?
If of the flesh .The you ahve to be of the tribe of levi. and to attempt the offices of that preisthood and not to be so even a king of Isreal found to hsi great cost it cannot be so.
Then why then do we have such preists as what you call THE church  not of Levi?
The only other acceptable preisthood to God .Is the order of Melchesidech.
The letter to the Hebrew s covers this ground better than I ever can.
But if jesus is the TRUE high preist of an everlastign covenant.Who ministers not in the temple made with hands  but in the true tabernacle made by God.
Then it is a spiritual preisthood.
that beign the case. ALL true BORN children of God are as the scriptures tell it "made kings and preists unto God"
How is it then that the rcc who you say is the true church  denies both the scripture the office of the true preisthood  and does so by all her rituals and traditions.
Truly it is written ye by your traditions make the Word of God of none effect.
By what mark then do you say what ytou say?
For I see substitutes for reality.
Candles  for the Holy ghost.
Incense for prayers.
Vestments  for the robes of rightoiusness.
Rituals for reality.
Idols for God.
In very truth  the flesh is fed.
By the eye. the ear, the nose . and the mind distracted .
Image for substance .
Tradition  for the Word of God.
Corruption  for Holyness.
Compromise for unity.
Jesus said I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
I dont quite understand what it all means. But the true church will be givign hell a hard time.Not the other way around.
Moreover .
You do not build an eternal church upon the weakness and frailty of a man of Adam.
But5 you do build an eternal church  upon the eternal Word of God .
If any man heareth my words and doeth them I will liken unto him as a wise man who built their house upon a rock,
DEutronomy clearly and irefutably says who the rock is .It is God.
If you want to build an eternal church you build it on the eternal GOD.
The marks of the rcc prove exactly what it is.
In Christ
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #118 on: Fri Oct 19, 2012 - 07:07:43 »
While this thread has brought about much controversy I believe there lies an answer within.

God's true Church is the Church where God is moving, where his glory can be felt, and where his unmistakable presence confirms you are in HIS house.


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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #119 on: Fri Oct 19, 2012 - 07:41:21 »
While this thread has brought about much controversy I believe there lies an answer within.

God's true Church is the Church where God is moving, where his glory can be felt, and where his unmistakable presence confirms you are in HIS house.



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You can usually tell quite quickly if that is happening as well.

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« Reply #120 on: Fri Oct 19, 2012 - 07:49:32 »
While this thread has brought about much controversy I believe there lies an answer within.

God's true Church is the Church where God is moving, where his glory can be felt, and where his unmistakable presence confirms you are in HIS house.

Yes, but don't forget that we ARE His house. See my signature!  ::smile::



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1 Peter 2:5
And you are living stones that God is building into his spiritual temple. What’s more, you are his holy priests. Through the mediation of Jesus Christ, you offer spiritual sacrifices that please God.
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #121 on: Wed Jan 16, 2013 - 16:59:04 »
I asked myself this question 2 years ago while attending a "non- denominational" church


The bible and historical facts are very clear Jesus Christ started one visible church that is not a denomination

He founded the Roman Catholic Church.

As the nicene creed says which we all agree on this forum

"one holy catholic and apostolic church"

Go to catholic.com to learn more

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« Reply #122 on: Wed Jan 16, 2013 - 21:02:44 »
As the nicene creed says which we all agree on this forum

There is an old Restoration Movement saying, "No creed but the Bible." I have never heard the Nicene Creed recited in church and most of the people I go to church with have never heard of it.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #123 on: Thu Jan 17, 2013 - 07:07:12 »
The Lord Jesus says that His church has no walls,
And no other name, except the name The Father has given Him...
All its members are of one mind, one spirit and one love,
Worked in obedience, in His name.
The body of Christ is where you dwell,
Along with those who are His, given Him from The Father...
Who are now being prepared, as His bride, in gowns of white.
Woe to those churches of men, who say they are His remnant and true children... Woe, He says. Again, you have placed yourself in the seat of The Father, and have fallen under judgment of yourselves, because none live by that which they claim they know and teach to others.
Only those, who The Father draws to Him, have become His body and church...
The Truth is within them and shown by their works.
Yes, even these stumble...
But He is He, who searches the hearts and minds of His beloved,
And know who is true in steadfast love and faith for Him.
This is the true church you search for...
For it is not found outwardly in the world, but inwardly in the temple of God.

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« Reply #124 on: Wed Feb 20, 2013 - 05:06:23 »
As the nicene creed says which we all agree on this forum

There is an old Restoration Movement saying, "No creed but the Bible." I have never heard the Nicene Creed recited in church and most of the people I go to church with have never heard of it.

There is so much to be missed for those that reject orthodoxy.

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« Reply #125 on: Wed Feb 20, 2013 - 06:08:37 »

There is so much to be missed for those that reject orthodoxy.

Interesting.  ::pondering:: Many others believe (myself included) that there is so much more to be missed by being bound to the limitations of religion and their inherit false misrepresentations.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #126 on: Fri Mar 01, 2013 - 11:59:27 »
Where is God’s True Church to Day?

You will not find the true church as a building or a group of people.

You will find it in the heart of each believer; Jesus is our husband we are His bride (the church)...it is a relationship between the two.  Jesus and us (believers).

Jesus did not come to save a church; He came to save you and me...

If you claim your church is the one true church...then, others can be sure; that it is not.

   I agree with this !!! ::clappingoverhead:: ::clappingoverhead::

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« Reply #127 on: Mon Mar 25, 2013 - 18:07:25 »
You'll find it at my house.

In the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg, you will find the truth.

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« Reply #128 on: Fri Apr 05, 2013 - 14:20:39 »
You'll find it at my house.

In the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg, you will find the truth.
Swedenborg isn't overly impressive to me. But the real church can in fact be found at my house.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #129 on: Sun Apr 07, 2013 - 08:47:31 »
Truthlady5, you wrote:"Jesus did not come to save a church; He came to save you and me..."

Maybe you should read your bible again, because you will see where Jesus did indeed leave us with a Church,not a completed Holy Bible. In Matt.16:18 Jesus said I will build "my church" ,not a bible. Albeit later His bishops of His Apostolic [ Universal/Catholic ] Church did compile the correct canonical Books of the Holy Bible.
Jesus left us His Apostolic [ Catholic ] Teaching  Church [ Matt.28:18-20 and Luke 10:16, John 20:21]

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« Reply #130 on: Sun Apr 07, 2013 - 11:44:14 »
Truthlady5, you wrote:"Jesus did not come to save a church; He came to save you and me..."

Maybe you should read your bible again, because you will see where Jesus did indeed leave us with a Church,not a completed Holy Bible. In Matt.16:18 Jesus said I will build "my church" ,not a bible. Albeit later His bishops of His Apostolic [ Universal/Catholic ] Church did compile the correct canonical Books of the Holy Bible.
Jesus left us His Apostolic [ Catholic ] Teaching  Church [ Matt.28:18-20 and Luke 10:16, John 20:21]



 Jesus came to save all who come to Him. We are ALL part of the body of Christ if we are His children. What denom we belong to doesnt even matter. I have been to churches of 4 or 5 different denominations, and God was there in all of them!!!!

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« Reply #131 on: Sun Apr 07, 2013 - 14:22:53 »
chosenone, maybe even Heavens Gate or how about Jim Jones Christian church or David Karesh out in Waco, Texas, all Bible believing Christians.
The Bible doesn't contain the whole of Jesus' teaching, or Christianity, as many of you non-Catholics believe [ Mk 4:33; 6:34; Lk. 24:15-16; Jn. 16:12; 20:30; 21:25; Acts 1:2-3 ]

One of your ilks foundational principles is sola Scriptura, which is neither biblical, historical[ nonexistent until the 16th century ] nor logical[ it's self-defeating idea.

Sola Scriptura is an abuse of the Holy Bible, since it is a use of the Bible contrary to its explicit and implicit testimony about itself and Tradition [ God's Tradition, not mans ] An objective reading of the Bible leads one to Tradition and the Catholic Church, rather than the opposite. The Bible is, in fact , undeniably a Christian Tradition itself.

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« Reply #132 on: Sun Apr 07, 2013 - 14:49:18 »
chosenone, maybe even Heavens Gate or how about Jim Jones Christian church or David Karesh out in Waco, Texas, all Bible believing Christians.
The Bible doesn't contain the whole of Jesus' teaching, or Christianity, as many of you non-Catholics believe [ Mk 4:33; 6:34; Lk. 24:15-16; Jn. 16:12; 20:30; 21:25; Acts 1:2-3 ]

One of your ilks foundational principles is sola Scriptura, which is neither biblical, historical[ nonexistent until the 16th century ] nor logical[ it's self-defeating idea.

Sola Scriptura is an abuse of the Holy Bible, since it is a use of the Bible contrary to its explicit and implicit testimony about itself and Tradition [ God's Tradition, not mans ] An objective reading of the Bible leads one to Tradition and the Catholic Church, rather than the opposite. The Bible is, in fact , undeniably a Christian Tradition itself.


 These are your opinions but not mine. The longer that I have been a believer the more I recognise the many errors in the RC church. If you are happy there that fine, but its not a place where I would go. The church is all of us as His children. I seek a body of believers who follow God and the Bible the most closely.

Member of cults, such as you mentioned, are not Christians.

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« Reply #133 on: Sun Apr 07, 2013 - 17:05:21 »
Truthlady5, you wrote:"Jesus did not come to save a church; He came to save you and me..."

Maybe you should read your bible again, because you will see where Jesus did indeed leave us with a Church,not a completed Holy Bible.

 


  I do study the Scripture. We are to gather together with other believers, because the Bible teaches, Fail not to assemble ourself together.  But we are to have a personal relationship with Jesus. This is  not referring to what Church building we are attending.  ::disco::
















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« Reply #134 on: Sun Apr 07, 2013 - 17:13:16 »
You'll find it at my house.

In the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg, you will find the truth.

Actually, you won't.

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« Reply #135 on: Mon Apr 08, 2013 - 07:27:45 »
Just because you read Holy Scripture does not mean that you interpret Holy Scripture as it was intended to be understood.

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« Reply #136 on: Mon Apr 08, 2013 - 11:36:25 »
Just because you read Holy Scripture does not mean that you interpret Holy Scripture as it was intended to be understood.
This is quite obvious on these boards.

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« Reply #137 on: Mon Apr 08, 2013 - 20:03:01 »
After reading God's Word, the "Holy Spirit" helps us to understand the Scripture. If a person is not lead by the "Holy Spirit" then Yes, he may not understand correctly. But I am  filled and lead by the "Holy Spirit" .

It is Wise not to talk about one of God's children. It is better that a millstone be hung around one's neck.  God watches over those who are his.   

It is our responsibility to search out Truth. If we are sincere, God will lead Us to Truth.
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« Reply #138 on: Mon Apr 08, 2013 - 20:13:05 »
Of course.

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« Reply #139 on: Wed Apr 17, 2013 - 06:20:36 »
In this day and age, you will find the true church were they
"RightlyDividing the Word of Truth"  ll Tim. 2:15

Gods word is all true.
But there is a time past , but now , and ages to come.

You need to know who is talking and to whom!
 
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