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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #175 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 15:44:54 »
Among the multifarious denominations that are established in this world, God's church is not to be found in any single one of them.

No denomination (Catholic, Jehovah Witnesses, Pentecostal etc) is actually part of His church, His body. No matter how much they claim to be!

Those who are called by God will have been called out and beckoned away from religious establishments (i.e. the denominational churches). They will have been called out of the whore that is Babylon the great (all religious systems, including false christian churches).

They will have been called to follow God outside the city gate, away from the city of Babylon:

'And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come.' (Hebrews 13:12-15).

If you are part of any denominational church, that means you are currently residing in the babylonian city of nominal Christianity.

Get out of that city, before it is engulfed in fire and destroyed:

' 'Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues, for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes... She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.'
(Revelation 18: 4-8)

I have an alternative for you - truth itself - to be found on the following website: www.thepathoftruth.com/

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« Reply #176 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 16:53:09 »

I have an alternative for you - truth itself - to be found on the following website: www.thepathoftruth.com/

Following a teaching, however pure you believe it to be is simply another denomination.

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« Reply #177 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 17:14:12 »
Among the multifarious denominations that are established in this world, God's church is not to be found in any single one of them.

No denomination (Catholic, Jehovah Witnesses, Pentecostal etc) is actually part of His church, His body. No matter how much they claim to be!

Those who are called by God will have been called out and beckoned away from religious establishments (i.e. the denominational churches). They will have been called out of the whore that is Babylon the great (all religious systems, including false christian churches).

They will have been called to follow God outside the city gate, away from the city of Babylon:

'And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come.' (Hebrews 13:12-15).

If you are part of any denominational church, that means you are currently residing in the babylonian city of nominal Christianity.

Get out of that city, before it is engulfed in fire and destroyed:

' 'Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues, for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes... She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.'
(Revelation 18: 4-8)

I have an alternative for you - truth itself - to be found on the following website: www.thepathoftruth.com/


Ahh, another church that claims they are the only 'true' one. 

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #178 on: Thu Jan 29, 2015 - 08:33:57 »
Alan, you say:

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Following a teaching, however pure you believe it to be is simply another denomination.

What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?

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Ahh, another church that claims they are the only 'true' one

I claim nothing. And I cannot prove what you think I claim, to you. It will simply have to be revealed to you - that whole truth is to be found on that website. Spiritual truth has to be revealed. It is not something that one can prove. So if proof is what you're looking for, I cannot give it. That's not the way it works. As I've said, it must be revealed. I cannot open your eyes to see truth. Only God can do that.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #179 on: Thu Jan 29, 2015 - 14:28:13 »
What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?

What makes your teaching truth, while others are false?

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #180 on: Thu Jan 29, 2015 - 15:24:58 »
Alan, you say:

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Following a teaching, however pure you believe it to be is simply another denomination.

What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?

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Ahh, another church that claims they are the only 'true' one

I claim nothing. And I cannot prove what you think I claim, to you. It will simply have to be revealed to you - that whole truth is to be found on that website. Spiritual truth has to be revealed. It is not something that one can prove. So if proof is what you're looking for, I cannot give it. That's not the way it works. As I've said, it must be revealed. I cannot open your eyes to see truth. Only God can do that.
 

I prefer to follow God and the spiritual truth that is in His word,  and not an organisation on a website that claims they are the only ones who have it right. Any group who does that needs to be avoided.
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #181 on: Thu Jan 29, 2015 - 18:49:09 »
Alan, you say:

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Following a teaching, however pure you believe it to be is simply another denomination.
What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?



It is to me (and probably others), since the truth is in the teachings I receive. Do you see the irony?

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« Reply #182 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 09:40:31 »
What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?


What makes your teaching truth, while others are false?


It's not my teaching. Nor does it belong to, or orignate from, any man. It is from God, and it is He who will have to enable you to see that the teachings are truth. There is no other way to know that the teachings on that site are truth. That site again is: www.thepathoftruth.com/

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #183 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 09:51:03 »
Alan, you say:

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Following a teaching, however pure you believe it to be is simply another denomination.

What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?

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Ahh, another church that claims they are the only 'true' one

I claim nothing. And I cannot prove what you think I claim, to you. It will simply have to be revealed to you - that whole truth is to be found on that website. Spiritual truth has to be revealed. It is not something that one can prove. So if proof is what you're looking for, I cannot give it. That's not the way it works. As I've said, it must be revealed. I cannot open your eyes to see truth. Only God can do that.
 

I prefer to follow God and the spiritual truth that is in His word,  and not an organisation on a website that claims they are the only ones who have it right. Any group who does that needs to be avoided.

You do not realise that the site that I've offered is infact true! You do not realise that the site is of, and from, God Himself.

Are you amongst those who refuse to come to God to have life? (John 5:40)

If you knew the truth that is being offered to you, you would embrace it. But as of now you do not know.


I prefer to follow God and the spiritual truth that is in His word,  and not an organisation

Well, do you go to church? If so, you are indeed following an organisation. You are following men, not God. Also, do you intend to follow the bible and not God Himself? (Remember, the bible is not God):

'You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.' (John 5:39-40).
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #184 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 10:10:24 »
It's not my teaching. Nor does it belong to, or orignate from, any man. It is from God, and it is He who will have to enable you to see that the teachings are truth. There is no other way to know that the teachings on that site are truth. That site again is: www.thepathoftruth.com/


That is what every other teacher says. What makes you so confident YOU have truth and the rest are false?

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #185 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 10:11:10 »
'You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.' (John 5:39-40).


This is not a prophecy for all times sake, it was a statement aimed at those that chose to remain in the law that scripture provided, yet reject that Christ was the very one that was spoke of in the scriptures.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #186 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 10:15:06 »
Alan, you say:

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Following a teaching, however pure you believe it to be is simply another denomination.

What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?

Chosenone:
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Ahh, another church that claims they are the only 'true' one

I claim nothing. And I cannot prove what you think I claim, to you. It will simply have to be revealed to you - that whole truth is to be found on that website. Spiritual truth has to be revealed. It is not something that one can prove. So if proof is what you're looking for, I cannot give it. That's not the way it works. As I've said, it must be revealed. I cannot open your eyes to see truth. Only God can do that.
 

I prefer to follow God and the spiritual truth that is in His word,  and not an organisation on a website that claims they are the only ones who have it right. Any group who does that needs to be avoided.

You do not realise that the site that I've offered is infact true! You do not realise that the site is of, and from, God Himself.

Are you amongst those who refuse to come to God to have life? (John 5:40)

If you knew the truth that is being offered to you, you would embrace it. But as of now you do not know.


I prefer to follow God and the spiritual truth that is in His word,  and not an organisation

Well, do you go to church? If so, you are indeed following an organisation. You are following men, not God. Also, do you intend to follow the bible and not God Himself? (Remember, the bible is not God):

'You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.' (John 5:39-40).

You are following what the writers of your site are teaching...which is following man.

AND

The bible is our "safety net" to help us discern who is truly of God and who is not.  Anyone who tries and make others doubt the Word is suspect.  The Word is GOD'S Word and can be trusted far more than any teaching, no matter who claims it is GOD'S!  Following the Bible is following God.  If teaching does not line up with scripture... even though they claim they alone hold truth while condemning all others..it is a wolf and should be run from!
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #187 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 10:45:56 »
Alan, you say:

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Following a teaching, however pure you believe it to be is simply another denomination.

What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?




It is to me (and probably others), since the truth is in the teachings I receive. Do you see the irony?


I see what you mean. Truth cannot be relative and subjective. It is, and must be, objective.

Only one - not even two - of those who say they have the truth, actually possesses it. Many truth-claimers have bits of truth but only one has the whole truth.

Truth is whole and complete...indivisible; not split between denominations! The harlot church of this world is split between itself, and against itself. It's split into fragments of the same colour; but in numerous shades and hues. Each one purporting to have the truth.

Now, for one to be a denomination (i.e. a sect/part/component) one has to belong to the worldwide system of autonomous churches: https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=denomination. This system is part of an even bigger system called Religion.

The site (www.thepathoftruth.com) I showed is not at all a denomination. (What do you think defines a denomination? I have just provided an objective definition for you).

To be a denomination the Pathoftruth.com would have to be a 'branch' on the 'tree' that is the worldly system of churches. It would have to be a 'segment' of the 'circle' that is nominal Christianity. But it exists outside of that. The Pathoftruth.com is/part of the Church that is located outside the city gates; whilst the false church(es) are within the corrupt city of Babylon.

'So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood. Therefore let us go to him outside the camp and bear the reproach he endured. For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come.' (Hebrews 13:12-13)

This Church I speak of has no physical building, no physical meeting place, no vestry or pulpit, no offering plates or donation boxes, no registration with the government, no practice of religious, formal ordinances and pagan customs. The differences between this Church and all the other churches (i.e. denominations) are much greater than the similiarities it may share with them, such as gathering for fellowship.

Here is the Church that it is:

"...you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect...' (Hebrews 12:22-23)

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #188 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 11:15:59 »
Alan, you say:

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Following a teaching, however pure you believe it to be is simply another denomination.

What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?

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Ahh, another church that claims they are the only 'true' one

I claim nothing. And I cannot prove what you think I claim, to you. It will simply have to be revealed to you - that whole truth is to be found on that website. Spiritual truth has to be revealed. It is not something that one can prove. So if proof is what you're looking for, I cannot give it. That's not the way it works. As I've said, it must be revealed. I cannot open your eyes to see truth. Only God can do that.
 

I prefer to follow God and the spiritual truth that is in His word,  and not an organisation on a website that claims they are the only ones who have it right. Any group who does that needs to be avoided.

You do not realise that the site that I've offered is infact true! You do not realise that the site is of, and from, God Himself.

Are you amongst those who refuse to come to God to have life? (John 5:40)

If you knew the truth that is being offered to you, you would embrace it. But as of now you do not know.


I prefer to follow God and the spiritual truth that is in His word,  and not an organisation

Well, do you go to church? If so, you are indeed following an organisation. You are following men, not God. Also, do you intend to follow the bible and not God Himself? (Remember, the bible is not God):

'You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.' (John 5:39-40).

I dont follow man, I never have. The Bible is Gods word to us, powerful and active, and anyone who tries to deny that isnt it be trusted. God is not to be found on a website. He is in us through His Holy Spirit.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #189 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 11:16:38 »
I see your teaching and the teaching you propose to others is already in err by the post I made above concerning John 5:39-40, I'll just leave it at that and offer you sincere blessings on your journey to walk with the truth.

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« Reply #190 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 11:18:14 »
Alan, you say:

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Following a teaching, however pure you believe it to be is simply another denomination.

What if the teaching is true, is it still 'another denomination'?




It is to me (and probably others), since the truth is in the teachings I receive. Do you see the irony?


I see what you mean. Truth cannot be relative and subjective. It is, and must be, objective.

Only one - not even two - of those who say they have the truth, actually possesses it. Many truth-claimers have bits of truth but only one has the whole truth.

Truth is whole and complete...indivisible; not split between denominations! The harlot church of this world is split between itself, and against itself. It's split into fragments of the same colour; but in numerous shades and hues. Each one purporting to have the truth.

Now, for one to be a denomination (i.e. a sect/part/component) one has to belong to the worldwide system of autonomous churches: https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=denomination. This system is part of an even bigger system called Religion.

The site (www.thepathoftruth.com) I showed is not at all a denomination. (What do you think defines a denomination? I have just provided an objective definition for you).

To be a denomination the Pathoftruth.com would have to be a 'branch' on the 'tree' that is the worldly system of churches. It would have to be a 'segment' of the 'circle' that is nominal Christianity. But it exists outside of that. The Pathoftruth.com is/part of the Church that is located outside the city gates; whilst the false church(es) are within the corrupt city of Babylon.

'So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood. Therefore let us go to him outside the camp and bear the reproach he endured. For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come.' (Hebrews 13:12-13)

This Church I speak of has no physical building, no physical meeting place, no vestry or pulpit, no offering plates or donation boxes, no registration with the government, no practice of religious, formal ordinances and pagan customs. The differences between this Church and all the other churches (i.e. denominations) are much greater than the similiarities it may share with them, such as gathering for fellowship.

Here is the Church that it is:

"...you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect...' (Hebrews 12:22-23)
 

Ah so your group is the church of the first born. I have heard of that before. 

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« Reply #191 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 11:43:02 »
It's not my teaching. Nor does it belong to, or orignate from, any man. It is from God, and it is He who will have to enable you to see that the teachings are truth. There is no other way to know that the teachings on that site are truth. That site again is: www.thepathoftruth.com/


That is what every other teacher says. What makes you so confident YOU have truth and the rest are false?



MeMyself, I tell you again, plain and simply, that the only way I know is because God has personally revealed it to me. And not just to me, but to others aswell.

Do join us, if you wish, for our usual Sabbath chat this Saturday (tomorrow). You can grill us and ask any question. I'm inviting you and anyone else who wishes to attend. The time that it starts is 12.00pm (Mountain time). You're all welcome: www.thepathoftruth.com/chat.htm. Also, here's an email address, if there's anything you may want to ask: ask@thepathoftruth.com


The bible is our "safety net" to help us discern who is truly of God and who is not.  Anyone who tries and make others doubt the Word is suspect.  The Word is GOD'S Word and can be trusted far more than any teaching, no matter who claims it is GOD'S!  Following the Bible is following God.  If teaching does not line up with scripture...which SO many are that claim they alone hold truth while condemning all others..it is a wolf and should be run from!


How can one follow a book, or follow teachings? Jesus said 'Come, follow Me!' (Matthew 4:19), not 'Come, Follow my teachings'. If you only follow the bible - and go no further, towards Who the bible points to - then the bible is your god.

The Israelites in the wilderness, who did they follow? The old testament?

Who did the Corinthians follow? The new testament?

Neither of them followed books, they followed men of God.

Which brings me to this:

You are following what the writers of your site are teaching...which is following man.


Yes I am indeed following men... men of God.

'Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ' (1 Corithians 11:1)

But if i follow men who are following God I am also by extension, following God. And there is a difference, you see, between following carnal men and spiritual men (e.g. Paul). How do you know if you're following a man of God, like Paul, or a carnal, false teacher?

The same question could be asked of me. And to that question I answer, "I believe - through divine faith - that these men speak what is true, and are really sent by God". You could also say the same of your teachers; of your men (or women) that you follow. But if we both believe to follow the truth, one of must be deceived. Is it you or I? God knows.

I believe that the POT site and the men who teach on it, are from God Himself. I believe it through the gift of Divine Faith that I also believe has been given to me - through the hearing of His true Word and message (Romans 10:17).

You too can believe - through your own man-made faith - that the people you follow are from God.

But just like there's two types of teachers - the false and the true - there's two types of faith - the divine and the man-made/self-produced. Which one is yours?

MeMyself, I'm here to ask you to make a different choice, to consider different teachings. To come to what is true instead of sticking with what is false. That is why i've been referring you to that site. I'm here to advise you to choose Life, not death, as Moses advised the Israelites (Deuteronomy 30:9-20). Hopefully by this Word that I speak to you, you will be roused and awoken from the death that you are already in - and be resurrected to life... if it is your time.


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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #192 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 11:52:47 »
MeMyself, I tell you again, plain and simply, that the only way I know is because God has personally revealed it to me. And not just to me, but to others aswell.

But, that's no different than me saying He has revealed to me that I AM right with Him and that I AM not in a false church.  ::shrug::  Why is what He shared with you, (that YOU are right and all others doomed) in contradiction to what He has revealed to others?

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Yes I am indeed following men... men of God.

As are all followers of Christ.  Those God has called are men of God..not just those you happen to agree with.



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But if i follow men who are following God I am also following God. And there is a difference, you see, between following carnal men and spiritual men (e.g. Paul). How do you know if you're following a man of God, like Paul, or a carnal, false teacher?

The same question could be asked of me. And to that question I answer, "I believe - through divine faith - that these men speak what is true, and are really sent by God". You could also say the same of your teachers; of your men (or women) that you follow. But if we both say the same, one of must be deceived. Is it you or I? God knows.

Yes, thankfully He does and thankfully He will have mercy on the confused who wish to divide and convince others, that *are* truly serving Him and following His calling, that they are not.

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I believe that the POT site and the men who teach on it, are from God Himself. I believe it through the gift of Divine Faith that has been given to me, through the hearing of His true Word and message (Romans 10:17).

You too can believe - through your own man-made faith - that the people you follow are from God.

Tut-tut! Careful, Manny...the above reveals MUCH about your heart.  That you think you've a right to assign my faith as man made! Father, forgive him...
I will remind you that we are admonished not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought.  Those that do, reek of pride and God is in fact against the proud.



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MeMyself, I'm here to ask you to make a different choice, to consider different teachings. To come to what is true instead of sticking with what is false. That is why i've been referring you to that site. I'm here to advise you to choose Life, not death, as Moses advised the Israelites (Deuteronomy 30:9-20). Hopefully by this Word that I speak to you, you will be roused and awoken from the death that you are already in - and be resurrected to life... if it is your time.

Thanks ever so, but I am already resurrected to life, I follow Christ, have been adopted into the family of God and call Him Father.  In Him, I find my rest.
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This is why Paul came in demonstration of power and not words alone.

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« Reply #194 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 14:19:36 »
This is why Paul came in demonstration of power and not words alone.
Aye.

The path of truth dot com... Victor and Paul right?

I had an internet experience in which  our paths crossed. They even wrote a small piece inspired by our meeting. I was mocked by them for believing Adonai YHWH is Jesus Christ but not Our Father The Most High.

I took the account very seriously. Afterwards YHWH led witnesses into my path to verify what i was thinking, because i had taken it so seriously.

Although i didn't discuss it with them, YHWH gave us the instructions for the calendar. Sabbath does not always fall on Friday afternoon.