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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #70 on: Fri Aug 31, 2012 - 13:23:59 »
To respond to tge OP, you won't find it at all in Canada.   Or anywhere near TBN types.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #71 on: Fri Aug 31, 2012 - 13:27:41 »

But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.
Very wise observation.  My wife and I attend a Friday Night Bible study that has in attendance, members from at least four or five different denominations.... and we do a Saturday morning homeless breakfast ministry with even two more denominations represented.
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #72 on: Fri Aug 31, 2012 - 13:29:29 »
To respond to tge OP, you won't find it at all in Canada.   Or anywhere near TBN types.
A fairly dumb blanket statement.

EDIT:  No, I've thought about it, and my remark was wrong.  That statement by Texass was just plain stupid.   
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #73 on: Fri Aug 31, 2012 - 13:56:04 »
To respond to tge OP, you won't find it at all in Canada.   Or anywhere near TBN types.
Can you explain that one?   ::headscratch::

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #74 on: Fri Aug 31, 2012 - 14:25:38 »
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life!

If everyone heard His voice, there would be no 'denominations'.

Amen?
Ah...... Did we leave out a few words?  "If everyone heard His voice, the same way I hear His voice, there would be no 'denominations'."

Not what I implied at all, but it is true that IF everyone heard HIS voice, there would be no denominations; they are the work of men, not God.

They divide, while Jesus Christ unites; and it is via the Holy Spirit, that always speaks the same word/truth.

You will find His true 'body', among all the denominations, and, they do not sit and wait to be taught by men, but, they do listen, and compare it with the word of God/truth.



I do not agree. The universal church existed, set up by Christ as a continuing teaching organization. Yes, the divide came about by men, started by those who left orthodoxy. The original church as as an organization still exists.
 
I do agree with one thing though, that all christians who believe that Jesus Christ is God Icarnate here on earth are of the "Body of Christ", but the historical universal christian church that at one time the great majority of the faithful in this world looked to for religious teaching cannot be ignored as if it never existed.
 
But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.

Well, it is ok to disagree................ ::smile::

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #75 on: Fri Aug 31, 2012 - 14:27:58 »
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life!

If everyone heard His voice, there would be no 'denominations'.

Amen?
Ah...... Did we leave out a few words?  "If everyone heard His voice, the same way I hear His voice, there would be no 'denominations'."

Not what I implied at all, but it is true that IF everyone heard HIS voice, there would be no denominations; they are the work of men, not God.

They divide, while Jesus Christ unites; and it is via the Holy Spirit, that always speaks the same word/truth.

You will find His true 'body', among all the denominations, and, they do not sit and wait to be taught by men, but, they do listen, and compare it with the word of God/truth.



I do not agree. The universal church existed, set up by Christ as a continuing teaching organization. Yes, the divide came about by men, started by those who left orthodoxy. The original church as as an organization still exists.
 
I do agree with one thing though, that all christians who believe that Jesus Christ is God Icarnate here on earth are of the "Body of Christ", but the historical universal christian church that at one time the great majority of the faithful in this world looked to for religious teaching cannot be ignored as if it never existed.
 
But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.

The body of Christ gets its teaching from the word of God---not some institutional body. Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. We as individuals teach each other according to our giftings, but there is no central church organization that is responsible for so-called 'religious' teaching.

Agreed, it is the Spirit that quickens, not men and their 'dogmas'.
Dogmas are good for itching the ear, however.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #76 on: Fri Aug 31, 2012 - 21:18:41 »

But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.
Very wise observation.  My wife and I attend a Friday Night Bible study that has in attendance, members from at least four or five different denominations.... and we do a Saturday morning homeless breakfast ministry with even two more denominations represented.

That's wonderful, the spirit of ecumenism is truly alive.  Due to the fact that our job entails a lot of travel and we can't get to our own faith tradition, my wife and I will find ourselves at Baptist services quite often. (Chaplins at truck stops).  We all have Christ who binds us together and any religious conversation is kept  at a general level.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #77 on: Fri Aug 31, 2012 - 21:24:32 »
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life!

If everyone heard His voice, there would be no 'denominations'.

Amen?
Ah...... Did we leave out a few words?  "If everyone heard His voice, the same way I hear His voice, there would be no 'denominations'."

Not what I implied at all, but it is true that IF everyone heard HIS voice, there would be no denominations; they are the work of men, not God.

They divide, while Jesus Christ unites; and it is via the Holy Spirit, that always speaks the same word/truth.

You will find His true 'body', among all the denominations, and, they do not sit and wait to be taught by men, but, they do listen, and compare it with the word of God/truth.



I do not agree. The universal church existed, set up by Christ as a continuing teaching organization. Yes, the divide came about by men, started by those who left orthodoxy. The original church as as an organization still exists.
 
I do agree with one thing though, that all christians who believe that Jesus Christ is God Icarnate here on earth are of the "Body of Christ", but the historical universal christian church that at one time the great majority of the faithful in this world looked to for religious teaching cannot be ignored as if it never existed.
 
But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.

The body of Christ gets its teaching from the word of God---not some institutional body. Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. We as individuals teach each other according to our giftings, but there is no central church organization that is responsible for so-called 'religious' teaching.

Agreed, it is the Spirit that quickens, not men and their 'dogmas'.
Dogmas are good for itching the ear, however.


Ah, but solid interpretation to me is needed as regards the Holy Scriptures, so I have absoulutely no problem with looking towards those (in the church) whom God has placed above me in this regard. That is where I disagree with you and our friend Lively Stone

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #78 on: Fri Aug 31, 2012 - 22:43:38 »

But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.
Very wise observation.  My wife and I attend a Friday Night Bible study that has in attendance, members from at least four or five different denominations.... and we do a Saturday morning homeless breakfast ministry with even two more denominations represented.

That's wonderful, the spirit of ecumenism is truly alive.  Due to the fact that our job entails a lot of travel and we can't get to our own faith tradition, my wife and I will find ourselves at Baptist services quite often. (Chaplins at truck stops).  We all have Christ who binds us together and any religious conversation is kept  at a general level.
I am not messing with you; this is a sincere question. Aren't you Catholic? Wouldn't you get in all kinds of trouble with your priest at home if he knew you had been to a Baptist service? I thought that was like a major sin for you people. Set me straight.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #79 on: Sat Sep 01, 2012 - 02:56:47 »
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life!

If everyone heard His voice, there would be no 'denominations'.

Amen?
Ah...... Did we leave out a few words?  "If everyone heard His voice, the same way I hear His voice, there would be no 'denominations'."

Not what I implied at all, but it is true that IF everyone heard HIS voice, there would be no denominations; they are the work of men, not God.

They divide, while Jesus Christ unites; and it is via the Holy Spirit, that always speaks the same word/truth.

You will find His true 'body', among all the denominations, and, they do not sit and wait to be taught by men, but, they do listen, and compare it with the word of God/truth.



I do not agree. The universal church existed, set up by Christ as a continuing teaching organization. Yes, the divide came about by men, started by those who left orthodoxy. The original church as as an organization still exists.
 
I do agree with one thing though, that all christians who believe that Jesus Christ is God Icarnate here on earth are of the "Body of Christ", but the historical universal christian church that at one time the great majority of the faithful in this world looked to for religious teaching cannot be ignored as if it never existed.
 
But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.

The body of Christ gets its teaching from the word of God---not some institutional body. Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. We as individuals teach each other according to our giftings, but there is no central church organization that is responsible for so-called 'religious' teaching.

Agreed, it is the Spirit that quickens, not men and their 'dogmas'.
Dogmas are good for itching the ear, however.


Ah, but solid interpretation to me is needed as regards the Holy Scriptures, so I have absoulutely no problem with looking towards those (in the church) whom God has placed above me in this regard. That is where I disagree with you and our friend Lively Stone

It isn't up to the church to teach, but it is up to the Church---we who are the Body of Christ---to teach each other. There is a problem with the idea that there is some central church governing body that is responsible for the handling of all truth. There is no such thing. It is the responsibility of each member of the Body of Christ to avail themselves of the truth and pass it on. that is why God gave us all gifts---that they work together as one Body (of Christ) in the world.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #80 on: Sat Sep 01, 2012 - 10:44:11 »

But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.
Very wise observation.  My wife and I attend a Friday Night Bible study that has in attendance, members from at least four or five different denominations.... and we do a Saturday morning homeless breakfast ministry with even two more denominations represented.

That's wonderful, the spirit of ecumenism is truly alive.  Due to the fact that our job entails a lot of travel and we can't get to our own faith tradition, my wife and I will find ourselves at Baptist services quite often. (Chaplins at truck stops).  We all have Christ who binds us together and any religious conversation is kept  at a general level.
I am not messing with you; this is a sincere question. Aren't you Catholic? Wouldn't you get in all kinds of trouble with your priest at home if he knew you had been to a Baptist service? I thought that was like a major sin for you people. Set me straight.

No, not a major sin. I have mentioned it to him and he has no problem with ecumenical prayer with other christians, which basically what a Baptist service is (some prayer and preaching). Now I can seperate what the chaplain is saying and what my faith tradition teaches. He knows that we are faithful adherants of the Latin Rite.  For example, I wouldn't take their "communion" of bread and grape juice and think it was the same that we have in the Holy Eucharist. That would be a no, no.
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #81 on: Sat Sep 01, 2012 - 10:53:03 »

But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.
Very wise observation.  My wife and I attend a Friday Night Bible study that has in attendance, members from at least four or five different denominations.... and we do a Saturday morning homeless breakfast ministry with even two more denominations represented.

That's wonderful, the spirit of ecumenism is truly alive.  Due to the fact that our job entails a lot of travel and we can't get to our own faith tradition, my wife and I will find ourselves at Baptist services quite often. (Chaplins at truck stops).  We all have Christ who binds us together and any religious conversation is kept  at a general level.
I am not messing with you; this is a sincere question. Aren't you Catholic? Wouldn't you get in all kinds of trouble with your priest at home if he knew you had been to a Baptist service? I thought that was like a major sin for you people. Set me straight.

No, not a major sin. I have mentioned it to him and he has no problem with ecumenical prayer with other christians, which basically what a Baptist service is (some prayer and preaching). Now I can seperate what the chaplain is saying and what my faith tradition teaches. He knows that we are faithful adherants of the Latin Rite.  For example, I wouldn't take their "communion" of bread and grape juice and think it was the same that we have in the Holy Eucharist. That would be a no, no.
I recently went to a Catholic funeral.  And I took (Jesus') communication.  (not a typo)  Not the Catholic Communion... not the Baptist Communion.  Just Jesus' communion as He requested me to do.
 
Several of the "Good" Christians there refused to honor Jesus' request, and would not participate.
 
I think that was a shame.  Communion is between Jesus and me, it's not any institution's rituals..... (Is that the correct term in a Catholic church?)
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #82 on: Sat Sep 01, 2012 - 11:02:02 »
Here's something my church Book Study Group did on The Misconceptions of Communion.  I think you'll like it.
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« Reply #83 on: Sat Sep 01, 2012 - 13:06:58 »
Ladonia, thanks for clearing that up. Too often we non-Catholics go on what we have heard instead of asking one of you directly.
 
Willie, I like the video. When I used your link the picture was faded out but when I got it from YouTube it looked fine. Good quality production.
I am coming around to thinking like you that we are communing with Christ and not just with the people sitting in the room with us. The Church of Christ has always taught that if we do anything with a church that isn't us we are saying we that we support all that they are doing. By that reasoning, if a crazed gunman shot up half the town we couldn't take part in a community prayer service because we would be saying we support the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and everyone else taking part. Just because I eat the Lords Supper surrounded by Presbyterians doesn't make me a Presbyterian.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #84 on: Sat Sep 01, 2012 - 14:22:46 »
Ladonia, thanks for clearing that up. Too often we non-Catholics go on what we have heard instead of asking one of you directly.
 
Willie, I like the video. When I used your link the picture was faded out but when I got it from YouTube it looked fine. Good quality production.
I am coming around to thinking like you that we are communing with Christ and not just with the people sitting in the room with us. The Church of Christ has always taught that if we do anything with a church that isn't us we are saying we that we support all that they are doing. By that reasoning, if a crazed gunman shot up half the town we couldn't take part in a community prayer service because we would be saying we support the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and everyone else taking part. Just because I eat the Lords Supper surrounded by Presbyterians doesn't make me a Presbyterian.
And then there is the reason Jesus asked us to share a meal whenever we got together.  (Yes, passover was not instituted that day.  It was not a somber, hangdog Jewish ritual meant to have us consider how horrible we are... in fact kids LOVE that meal!  They get to do a "Hide-and Seek" for money)  Jesus said to "remember Him" whenever we ate it.  All of Him. His whole life.  And He was a pretty cool dude who gave us all a fantastic gift.
 
We've honestly made it a pity party about us and our sins.  Is that the way you "remember" your relatives who are no longer with us...... an agonizing death on the highway... or a lingering bout with lung cancer... or the chalky make-up you last saw in that casket?
 
And forget not that what they saw and knew of Jesus did not end there.  He walked with, ate with, shared stories with them (hundreds of them) after He arose.
 
Think about what you, yourself have perhaps consigned the whole glorious life of Jesus to be in the few moments you nibble on a little flat wafer and swig some wine or juice.  (By the way,  It wasn't a pitiful skinny little "wafer" he shared with them at that supper.  It was a nice healthy hunk of bread that he pulled apart and passed around.)  We have even made THAT some sort of "sanctified" element of a churchy ritual.
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #85 on: Sat Sep 01, 2012 - 23:40:34 »

But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.
Very wise observation.  My wife and I attend a Friday Night Bible study that has in attendance, members from at least four or five different denominations.... and we do a Saturday morning homeless breakfast ministry with even two more denominations represented.

That's wonderful, the spirit of ecumenism is truly alive.  Due to the fact that our job entails a lot of travel and we can't get to our own faith tradition, my wife and I will find ourselves at Baptist services quite often. (Chaplins at truck stops).  We all have Christ who binds us together and any religious conversation is kept  at a general level.
I am not messing with you; this is a sincere question. Aren't you Catholic? Wouldn't you get in all kinds of trouble with your priest at home if he knew you had been to a Baptist service? I thought that was like a major sin for you people. Set me straight.

No, not a major sin. I have mentioned it to him and he has no problem with ecumenical prayer with other christians, which basically what a Baptist service is (some prayer and preaching). Now I can seperate what the chaplain is saying and what my faith tradition teaches. He knows that we are faithful adherants of the Latin Rite.  For example, I wouldn't take their "communion" of bread and grape juice and think it was the same that we have in the Holy Eucharist. That would be a no, no.
I recently went to a Catholic funeral.  And I took (Jesus') communication.  (not a typo)  Not the Catholic Communion... not the Baptist Communion.  Just Jesus' communion as He requested me to do.
 
Several of the "Good" Christians there refused to honor Jesus' request, and would not participate.
 
I think that was a shame.  Communion is between Jesus and me, it's not any institution's rituals..... (Is that the correct term in a Catholic church?)

You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #86 on: Sat Sep 01, 2012 - 23:52:49 »
Ladonia, thanks for clearing that up. Too often we non-Catholics go on what we have heard instead of asking one of you directly.
 
Willie, I like the video. When I used your link the picture was faded out but when I got it from YouTube it looked fine. Good quality production.
I am coming around to thinking like you that we are communing with Christ and not just with the people sitting in the room with us. The Church of Christ has always taught that if we do anything with a church that isn't us we are saying we that we support all that they are doing. By that reasoning, if a crazed gunman shot up half the town we couldn't take part in a community prayer service because we would be saying we support the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and everyone else taking part. Just because I eat the Lords Supper surrounded by Presbyterians doesn't make me a Presbyterian.
And then there is the reason Jesus asked us to share a meal whenever we got together.  (Yes, passover was not instituted that day.  It was not a somber, hangdog Jewish ritual meant to have us consider how horrible we are... in fact kids LOVE that meal!  They get to do a "Hide-and Seek" for money)  Jesus said to "remember Him" whenever we ate it.  All of Him. His whole life.  And He was a pretty cool dude who gave us all a fantastic gift.
 
We've honestly made it a pity party about us and our sins.  Is that the way you "remember" your relatives who are no longer with us...... an agonizing death on the highway... or a lingering bout with lung cancer... or the chalky make-up you last saw in that casket?
 
And forget not that what they saw and knew of Jesus did not end there.  He walked with, ate with, shared stories with them (hundreds of them) after He arose.
 
Think about what you, yourself have perhaps consigned the whole glorious life of Jesus to be in the few moments you nibble on a little flat wafer and swig some wine or juice.  (By the way,  It wasn't a pitiful skinny little "wafer" he shared with them at that supper.  It was a nice healthy hunk of bread that he pulled apart and passed around.)  We have even made THAT some sort of "sanctified" element of a churchy ritual.

I don't care for the way you have  put it my friend. The "pitiful, skinny little wafer" as you put it, through God's miracle we (Catholics) believe contains the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, proclaimed by the teachings of the Church. I see you seem to not like "rituals" either. I understand that you may not subscribe to this belief, but perhaps you could at least show a bit more respect concerning these things.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #87 on: Sun Sep 02, 2012 - 13:42:45 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."  I was given a skinny little wafer the size of a quarter that the local diocese purchased at some religious facility by the boxes of a thousand, or so.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think it was manufactured in Tampa.
 
As I ate it, I communicated with Jesus (my spirit with His spirit) and thanked Him for all He was and is, and all He sacrificed to give me life Eternal.  And at the risk of offending you, I imagine what I ate passed through my digestive tract and left my body some hours later as waste, along with the hamburger I ate later on that day.  Meaning.... It DID NOT "become" Jesus.

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« Reply #88 on: Sun Sep 02, 2012 - 19:58:04 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."  I was given a skinny little wafer the size of a quarter that the local diocese purchased at some religious facility by the boxes of a thousand, or so.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think it was manufactured in Tampa.
 
As I ate it, I communicated with Jesus (my spirit with His spirit) and thanked Him for all He was and is, and all He sacrificed to give me life Eternal.  And at the risk of offending you, I imagine what I ate passed through my digestive tract and left my body some hours later as waste, along with the hamburger I ate later on that day.  Meaning.... It DID NOT "become" Jesus.

I see now, no respect for Christ's teaching regarding the Holy Eucharist as per the Scriptures. And no respect either for another Christian person's faith tradition. 

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« Reply #89 on: Sun Sep 02, 2012 - 19:59:11 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."

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« Reply #90 on: Sun Sep 02, 2012 - 20:20:50 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."  I was given a skinny little wafer the size of a quarter that the local diocese purchased at some religious facility by the boxes of a thousand, or so.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think it was manufactured in Tampa.
 
As I ate it, I communicated with Jesus (my spirit with His spirit) and thanked Him for all He was and is, and all He sacrificed to give me life Eternal.  And at the risk of offending you, I imagine what I ate passed through my digestive tract and left my body some hours later as waste, along with the hamburger I ate later on that day.  Meaning.... It DID NOT "become" Jesus.

I see now, no respect for Christ's teaching regarding the Holy Eucharist as per the Scriptures. And no respect either for another Christian person's faith tradition. 
Christ spoke Latin?  Hey, you can go on beleiving anything you want.  I simply accepted a little wafer at a friend's mother's funeral.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #91 on: Sun Sep 02, 2012 - 20:39:46 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."  I was given a skinny little wafer the size of a quarter that the local diocese purchased at some religious facility by the boxes of a thousand, or so.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think it was manufactured in Tampa.
 
As I ate it, I communicated with Jesus (my spirit with His spirit) and thanked Him for all He was and is, and all He sacrificed to give me life Eternal.  And at the risk of offending you, I imagine what I ate passed through my digestive tract and left my body some hours later as waste, along with the hamburger I ate later on that day.  Meaning.... It DID NOT "become" Jesus.

I see now, no respect for Christ's teaching regarding the Holy Eucharist as per the Scriptures. And no respect either for another Christian person's faith tradition. 
Christ spoke Latin?  Hey, you can go on beleiving anything you want.  I simply accepted a little wafer at a friend's mother's funeral.

I once went to a Greek Orthodox service and explained to the priest that I was a Roman Catholic attending their service and asked if I could receive communion there. He said that since I was not a baptized Greek Orthodox person I could not. I RESPECTED his wishes and his Christian faith tradition as it relates to mine
 
You in your arrogance did not do this.  It's more than it being "just a little wafer" and whether Christ spoke "Latin". (I'm sure he could as he was God) I pray that in the future you would reconsider taking such an action. Like I said before, it's all about mutual respect.
 
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #92 on: Sun Sep 02, 2012 - 21:12:50 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."  I was given a skinny little wafer the size of a quarter that the local diocese purchased at some religious facility by the boxes of a thousand, or so.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think it was manufactured in Tampa.
 
As I ate it, I communicated with Jesus (my spirit with His spirit) and thanked Him for all He was and is, and all He sacrificed to give me life Eternal.  And at the risk of offending you, I imagine what I ate passed through my digestive tract and left my body some hours later as waste, along with the hamburger I ate later on that day.  Meaning.... It DID NOT "become" Jesus.

I see now, no respect for Christ's teaching regarding the Holy Eucharist as per the Scriptures. And no respect either for another Christian person's faith tradition. 
Christ spoke Latin?  Hey, you can go on beleiving anything you want.  I simply accepted a little wafer at a friend's mother's funeral.

I once went to a Greek Orthodox service and explained to the priest that I was a Roman Catholic attending their service and asked if I could receive communion there. He said that since I was not a baptized Greek Orthodox person I could not. I RESPECTED his wishes and his Christian faith tradition as it relates to mine
 
You in your arrogance did not do this.  It's more than it being "just a little wafer" and whether Christ spoke "Latin". (I'm sure he could as he was God) I pray that in the future you would reconsider taking such an action. Like I said before, it's all about mutual respect.
 
Silly man.  The priest actually stood in front of us and explained that we Protestants could take the wafer if we chose, but if we didn't want to, we should cross our hands across our chests as we walked by him.  Either way was fine by him.... or so he said.
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #93 on: Mon Sep 03, 2012 - 06:33:10 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."  I was given a skinny little wafer the size of a quarter that the local diocese purchased at some religious facility by the boxes of a thousand, or so.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think it was manufactured in Tampa.
 
As I ate it, I communicated with Jesus (my spirit with His spirit) and thanked Him for all He was and is, and all He sacrificed to give me life Eternal.  And at the risk of offending you, I imagine what I ate passed through my digestive tract and left my body some hours later as waste, along with the hamburger I ate later on that day.  Meaning.... It DID NOT "become" Jesus.

I see now, no respect for Christ's teaching regarding the Holy Eucharist as per the Scriptures. And no respect either for another Christian person's faith tradition. 
Christ spoke Latin?  Hey, you can go on beleiving anything you want.  I simply accepted a little wafer at a friend's mother's funeral.

I once went to a Greek Orthodox service and explained to the priest that I was a Roman Catholic attending their service and asked if I could receive communion there. He said that since I was not a baptized Greek Orthodox person I could not. I RESPECTED his wishes and his Christian faith tradition as it relates to mine
 
You in your arrogance did not do this.  It's more than it being "just a little wafer" and whether Christ spoke "Latin". (I'm sure he could as he was God) I pray that in the future you would reconsider taking such an action. Like I said before, it's all about mutual respect.
 
Silly man.  The priest actually stood in front of us and explained that we Protestants could take the wafer if we chose, but if we didn't want to, we should cross our hands across our chests as we walked by him.  Either way was fine by him.... or so he said.

I see -  a renegade priest. Believe me, if he did what you said he was totally wrong. But then you only listened to his instructions and my argument against you here has been off base.
 
In situations which you describe, it has always my experience that the priest says  non-Catholics may come to the altar with their hands across their chests for a blessing only.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #94 on: Mon Sep 03, 2012 - 08:56:55 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."  I was given a skinny little wafer the size of a quarter that the local diocese purchased at some religious facility by the boxes of a thousand, or so.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think it was manufactured in Tampa.
 
As I ate it, I communicated with Jesus (my spirit with His spirit) and thanked Him for all He was and is, and all He sacrificed to give me life Eternal.  And at the risk of offending you, I imagine what I ate passed through my digestive tract and left my body some hours later as waste, along with the hamburger I ate later on that day.  Meaning.... It DID NOT "become" Jesus.

I see now, no respect for Christ's teaching regarding the Holy Eucharist as per the Scriptures. And no respect either for another Christian person's faith tradition. 
Christ spoke Latin?  Hey, you can go on beleiving anything you want.  I simply accepted a little wafer at a friend's mother's funeral.

I once went to a Greek Orthodox service and explained to the priest that I was a Roman Catholic attending their service and asked if I could receive communion there. He said that since I was not a baptized Greek Orthodox person I could not. I RESPECTED his wishes and his Christian faith tradition as it relates to mine
 
You in your arrogance did not do this.  It's more than it being "just a little wafer" and whether Christ spoke "Latin". (I'm sure he could as he was God) I pray that in the future you would reconsider taking such an action. Like I said before, it's all about mutual respect.
 
Silly man.  The priest actually stood in front of us and explained that we Protestants could take the wafer if we chose, but if we didn't want to, we should cross our hands across our chests as we walked by him.  Either way was fine by him.... or so he said.

I see -  a renegade priest. Believe me, if he did what you said he was totally wrong. But then you only listened to his instructions and my argument against you here has been off base.
 
In situations which you describe, it has always my experience that the priest says  non-Catholics may come to the altar with their hands across their chests for a blessing only.

That's disgusting and exactly what religion does---divides. That is why Jesus hates religion.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
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Amen, Lively!

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« Reply #96 on: Mon Sep 03, 2012 - 10:50:12 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."  I was given a skinny little wafer the size of a quarter that the local diocese purchased at some religious facility by the boxes of a thousand, or so.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think it was manufactured in Tampa.
 
As I ate it, I communicated with Jesus (my spirit with His spirit) and thanked Him for all He was and is, and all He sacrificed to give me life Eternal.  And at the risk of offending you, I imagine what I ate passed through my digestive tract and left my body some hours later as waste, along with the hamburger I ate later on that day.  Meaning.... It DID NOT "become" Jesus.

I see now, no respect for Christ's teaching regarding the Holy Eucharist as per the Scriptures. And no respect either for another Christian person's faith tradition. 
Christ spoke Latin?  Hey, you can go on beleiving anything you want.  I simply accepted a little wafer at a friend's mother's funeral.

I once went to a Greek Orthodox service and explained to the priest that I was a Roman Catholic attending their service and asked if I could receive communion there. He said that since I was not a baptized Greek Orthodox person I could not. I RESPECTED his wishes and his Christian faith tradition as it relates to mine
 
You in your arrogance did not do this.  It's more than it being "just a little wafer" and whether Christ spoke "Latin". (I'm sure he could as he was God) I pray that in the future you would reconsider taking such an action. Like I said before, it's all about mutual respect.
 
Silly man.  The priest actually stood in front of us and explained that we Protestants could take the wafer if we chose, but if we didn't want to, we should cross our hands across our chests as we walked by him.  Either way was fine by him.... or so he said.

I see -  a renegade priest. Believe me, if he did what you said he was totally wrong. But then you only listened to his instructions and my argument against you here has been off base.
 
In situations which you describe, it has always my experience that the priest says  non-Catholics may come to the altar with their hands across their chests for a blessing only.

That's disgusting and exactly what religion does---divides. That is why Jesus hates religion.

You are correct, people who don't believe in the orthodox version of Christanity, who have removed themselves from the sacramental life, who have rejected so much that was handed down from the early days of Christianity, have participated in the division. 

As far as "religion" goes, do you  also ignore the accepted definition of the word too?
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #97 on: Wed Sep 05, 2012 - 09:47:57 »
For those who want a man/priest, pastor, etc, to teach you...that is fine, as long as you 'test the spirits', to see if they are of God, and you can only do that by the scriptures themselves..not by taking any man's word for it.

When we are saved, we have no need for no man to teach us, that is the promise of the new covenant, that individually, we shall all KNOW Him, because when He resides in you, you can hear HIS VOICE.

Teachers, in the biblical perspective were to be teaching the gospel to the lost.

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« Reply #98 on: Wed Sep 05, 2012 - 09:50:37 »
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life!

If everyone heard His voice, there would be no 'denominations'.

Amen?
Ah...... Did we leave out a few words?  "If everyone heard His voice, the same way I hear His voice, there would be no 'denominations'."

Not what I implied at all, but it is true that IF everyone heard HIS voice, there would be no denominations; they are the work of men, not God.

They divide, while Jesus Christ unites; and it is via the Holy Spirit, that always speaks the same word/truth.

You will find His true 'body', among all the denominations, and, they do not sit and wait to be taught by men, but, they do listen, and compare it with the word of God/truth.



I do not agree. The universal church existed, set up by Christ as a continuing teaching organization. Yes, the divide came about by men, started by those who left orthodoxy. The original church as as an organization still exists.
 
I do agree with one thing though, that all christians who believe that Jesus Christ is God Icarnate here on earth are of the "Body of Christ", but the historical universal christian church that at one time the great majority of the faithful in this world looked to for religious teaching cannot be ignored as if it never existed.
 
But in the end, we all have the free will to choose which christian sect we will look to for help in our spiritual walk. Maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.

The body of Christ gets its teaching from the word of God---not some institutional body. Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. We as individuals teach each other according to our giftings, but there is no central church organization that is responsible for so-called 'religious' teaching.

Agreed, it is the Spirit that quickens, not men and their 'dogmas'.
Dogmas are good for itching the ear, however.


Ah, but solid interpretation to me is needed as regards the Holy Scriptures, so I have absoulutely no problem with looking towards those (in the church) whom God has placed above me in this regard. That is where I disagree with you and our friend Lively Stone

It isn't up to the church to teach, but it is up to the Church---we who are the Body of Christ---to teach each other. There is a problem with the idea that there is some central church governing body that is responsible for the handling of all truth. There is no such thing. It is the responsibility of each member of the Body of Christ to avail themselves of the truth and pass it on. that is why God gave us all gifts---that they work together as one Body (of Christ) in the world.

Yes, I agree.


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« Reply #99 on: Wed Sep 05, 2012 - 09:57:09 »
You might have to clear this up for me here. Communication? Communion? Did you or did you not receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist at a Latin Rite Mass?
"No, I did not."  I was given a skinny little wafer the size of a quarter that the local diocese purchased at some religious facility by the boxes of a thousand, or so.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think it was manufactured in Tampa.
 
As I ate it, I communicated with Jesus (my spirit with His spirit) and thanked Him for all He was and is, and all He sacrificed to give me life Eternal.  And at the risk of offending you, I imagine what I ate passed through my digestive tract and left my body some hours later as waste, along with the hamburger I ate later on that day.  Meaning.... It DID NOT "become" Jesus.

I see now, no respect for Christ's teaching regarding the Holy Eucharist as per the Scriptures. And no respect either for another Christian person's faith tradition. 
Christ spoke Latin?  Hey, you can go on beleiving anything you want.  I simply accepted a little wafer at a friend's mother's funeral.

I once went to a Greek Orthodox service and explained to the priest that I was a Roman Catholic attending their service and asked if I could receive communion there. He said that since I was not a baptized Greek Orthodox person I could not. I RESPECTED his wishes and his Christian faith tradition as it relates to mine
 
You in your arrogance did not do this.  It's more than it being "just a little wafer" and whether Christ spoke "Latin". (I'm sure he could as he was God) I pray that in the future you would reconsider taking such an action. Like I said before, it's all about mutual respect.
 
Silly man.  The priest actually stood in front of us and explained that we Protestants could take the wafer if we chose, but if we didn't want to, we should cross our hands across our chests as we walked by him.  Either way was fine by him.... or so he said.

I see -  a renegade priest. Believe me, if he did what you said he was totally wrong. But then you only listened to his instructions and my argument against you here has been off base.
 
In situations which you describe, it has always my experience that the priest says  non-Catholics may come to the altar with their hands across their chests for a blessing only.

That's disgusting and exactly what religion does---divides. That is why Jesus hates religion.

I agree.

I do attend a baptist church, and when we have communion, the Pastor is very clear to explains that 'this is not my table', it belongs to the Lord, so 'anyone who has faith, can partake'.

I love that he speaks it this way.


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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #100 on: Wed Sep 05, 2012 - 10:32:16 »
For those who want a man/priest, pastor, etc, to teach you...that is fine, as long as you 'test the spirits', to see if they are of God, and you can only do that by the scriptures themselves..not by taking any man's word for it.

When we are saved, we have no need for no man to teach us, that is the promise of the new covenant, that individually, we shall all KNOW Him, because when He resides in you, you can hear HIS VOICE.

Teachers, in the biblical perspective were to be teaching the gospel to the lost.



And the two different people in whom "He" resides look at the same Scriptures and come up with two different interpretation of the same passage then who is right? Who decides?
 
Oh, you will say that we can go to the Scriptures to decide. Ok,  but then whose determination of the new passage we have now gone to, to help decide the passage we are trying to decide is correct? Round and round we go!
 
No, I disagree. We all have the need for a competant religious authority to help decide such things. That's the problem with your argument. Jesus would have just written a book and left us alone with the Holy Spirit to figure things out. The fact is he didn't. Other humans were needed to help guide us. First the Apostles, their successors, and a church.
 
 
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #101 on: Wed Sep 05, 2012 - 12:29:03 »
Ladonia, I agree with your logic that we need counsel from other saints to gain a fuller understanding of the scriptures, but therein is a problem too.  No man should be THE authority for the Word of God.
 
In our fellowship we try to be careful to not assert our understanding as THE final word or RIGHT interpretation in a Bible study, but set it forth as our view, and may also set forth what esteemed Bible Teachers down through history have shown about the verses before us.  Usually, the elders among us will affirm the understanding from scholars and what other verses or Versions of the Bible show.
 
The assembly as a whole, should distinguish between conscience and essential truth, and those things the Church must hold should be discerned and approved by the whole assembly with the approval of God's elders (not man's appointed leaders).  Everyone may have conscience, but the church universal ought to hold essential truth ---and essential truth is a whole other discussion.
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #102 on: Wed Sep 05, 2012 - 13:21:11 »
Ladonia, I agree with your logic that we need counsel from other saints to gain a fuller understanding of the scriptures, but therein is a problem too.  No man should be THE authority for the Word of God.
 
In our fellowship we try to be careful to not assert our understanding as THE final word or RIGHT interpretation in a Bible study, but set it forth as our view, and may also set forth what esteemed Bible Teachers down through history have shown about the verses before us.  Usually, the elders among us will affirm the understanding from scholars and what other verses or Versions of the Bible show.
 
The assembly as a whole, should distinguish between conscience and essential truth, and those things the Church must hold should be discerned and approved by the whole assembly with the approval of God's elders (not man's appointed leaders).  Everyone may have conscience, but the church universal ought to hold essential truth ---and essential truth is a whole other discussion.

No argument from me on what you said there. Especially the words "God's elders".

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« Reply #103 on: Thu Sep 06, 2012 - 07:46:29 »
For those who want a man/priest, pastor, etc, to teach you...that is fine, as long as you 'test the spirits', to see if they are of God, and you can only do that by the scriptures themselves..not by taking any man's word for it.

When we are saved, we have no need for no man to teach us, that is the promise of the new covenant, that individually, we shall all KNOW Him, because when He resides in you, you can hear HIS VOICE.

Teachers, in the biblical perspective were to be teaching the gospel to the lost.



And the two different people in whom "He" resides look at the same Scriptures and come up with two different interpretation of the same passage then who is right? Who decides?
 
Oh, you will say that we can go to the Scriptures to decide. Ok,  but then whose determination of the new passage we have now gone to, to help decide the passage we are trying to decide is correct? Round and round we go!
 
No, I disagree. We all have the need for a competant religious authority to help decide such things. That's the problem with your argument. Jesus would have just written a book and left us alone with the Holy Spirit to figure things out. The fact is he didn't. Other humans were needed to help guide us. First the Apostles, their successors, and a church.

How do you interpret this?

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #104 on: Thu Sep 06, 2012 - 12:08:16 »
For those who want a man/priest, pastor, etc, to teach you...that is fine, as long as you 'test the spirits', to see if they are of God, and you can only do that by the scriptures themselves..not by taking any man's word for it.

When we are saved, we have no need for no man to teach us, that is the promise of the new covenant, that individually, we shall all KNOW Him, because when He resides in you, you can hear HIS VOICE.

Teachers, in the biblical perspective were to be teaching the gospel to the lost.



And the two different people in whom "He" resides look at the same Scriptures and come up with two different interpretation of the same passage then who is right? Who decides?
 
Oh, you will say that we can go to the Scriptures to decide. Ok,  but then whose determination of the new passage we have now gone to, to help decide the passage we are trying to decide is correct? Round and round we go!
 
No, I disagree. We all have the need for a competant religious authority to help decide such things. That's the problem with your argument. Jesus would have just written a book and left us alone with the Holy Spirit to figure things out. The fact is he didn't. Other humans were needed to help guide us. First the Apostles, their successors, and a church.

How do you interpret this?

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Putting it within the context of the passages immediately preceding it, it is the "annoiting" that is the truth, that Christ gives eternal life to us all. That we should abide in Him as He abides in us as our Savior.
 
Teaching us ALL things? No, not really. The eunech needed Phillip's help. There are seminaries where people go for more knowledge of the Holy Word.
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