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Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 23:53:33 »


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Where is God’s True Church to Day?

Is there a true church in this world today? And if so, how can it be identified?
Thousands of different church denominations claim to be following Jesus Christ.
Yet they teach thousands of different “gospels

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« Reply #1 on: Thu Dec 17, 2009 - 23:24:01 »
You'll find it at my house.

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« Reply #2 on: Mon Dec 28, 2009 - 16:52:39 »
It's the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus, Himself, 2,000 years ago.  It's the one with all the marks...

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/Teachings/churb2.htm   ::priest::

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« Reply #3 on: Wed Jan 06, 2010 - 19:58:31 »
It's the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus, Himself, 2,000 years ago.  It's the one with all the marks...

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/Teachings/churb2.htm   ::priest::
...so this makes three of them, at least.

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Jan 07, 2010 - 08:15:56 »
It's the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus, Himself, 2,000 years ago.  It's the one with all the marks...

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/Teachings/churb2.htm   ::priest::
...so this makes three of them, at least.


Three?  Is your Church Apostolic?  Ordained by the the line of the Apostles?

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« Reply #5 on: Mon Jan 18, 2010 - 19:35:39 »
It's my understanding that the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Coptic Orthodox denominations claim to be the true Holy Apostolic Church.

Which one is it, exactly?

....and why does it matter?

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« Reply #6 on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 19:21:25 »
It's my understanding that the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Coptic Orthodox denominations claim to be the true Holy Apostolic Church.


True.   Also, the Assyrian Churches of the East.  That's all that I know of.    

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Which one is it, exactly?


Orthodox  ::smile::

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....and why does it matter?

I prefer to be in the church established by Jesus Christ.   The one in which the gates of hades won't prevail. (Matt 16:18).   Is there salvation outside of Christ's church?  I think so, but I would rather be in Jesus' church.   Wouldn't you?


 

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« Reply #7 on: Mon Jan 25, 2010 - 12:17:27 »
It's my understanding that the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Coptic Orthodox denominations claim to be the true Holy Apostolic Church.

Which one is it, exactly?

....and why does it matter?
Actually, we Catholics acknowledge their Apostolic Authority and Succession.  Our schism, separateness, with them is not the same as with Protestants.  Among Protestants, (hopefully the majority), are true Christians, but they are separated from the Church as individuals.  Their doctrinal views are so diverse it is impossible to say with certainty who among them are Christian and who have beliefs that fall far outside Christianity.   FYI, the Orthodox are not "denominations", they are the separated individual churches of the one true Church.  Their Bishops have true authority, their sacraments, true validity.  We pray and work tirelessly for our reunification.
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« Reply #8 on: Wed Mar 31, 2010 - 12:30:29 »
I wasn't addressing the "true church." Only that each of the factions claim to be the original and that the others are schismatics, not holding to the true tradition and practice of the original church.

Whether Protestant faith communities are to diverse to determine who are real Christians is debateable.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Apr 09, 2010 - 07:28:06 »
I wasn't addressing the "true church." Only that each of the factions claim to be the original and that the others are schismatics, not holding to the true tradition and practice of the original church.

Whether Protestant faith communities are to diverse to determine who are real Christians is debateable.

Each of the "factions" do not claim to be original, by any means.  That is what is tripping you up.  We Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox have disputes over some issues, but they do not have a different historic view of the Church than we do.  They think of the Roman Catholic Church in the west as part of the "true Church", from the begining, just as we do them.  That is not the nature of our dispute.  That is why I am saying that some of the posts here are presuming a conflict of competing claims where there is none.   We Catholics do not think that the Eastern Orthodox Churches were created in AD 1054.  They were created at Christ's founding just as we Catholics were.  We were all One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, but went into schism over a thousand years later.  That does not mean that anyone was started at a later date.  

Protestantism on the other hand is in a completely different category.  It is a literal invention with a clear genesis in it's creators like Luther, Calvin, etc.   It has no Apostolic Succession or authority and does not claim any as a major point of their doctrine, (Sola Scriptura).  It can't trace it's history before the 16th century and is so diverse in basic doctrine that "it", isn't even really an "it", but a mass collection of jumbled ideas across a wide spectrum.

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« Reply #10 on: Fri May 07, 2010 - 09:31:25 »
It's my understanding that the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Coptic Orthodox denominations claim to be the true Holy Apostolic Church.

Which one is it, exactly?

....and why does it matter?

There is only one Catholic Church.

All other Christian Churches came from this Church.


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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #11 on: Fri May 07, 2010 - 09:41:19 »
Where is God’s True Church to Day?

You will not find the true church as a building or a group of people.

You will find it in the heart of each believer; Jesus is our husband we are His bride (the church)...it is a relationship between the two.  Jesus and us (believers).

Jesus did not come to save a church; He came to save you and me...

If you claim your church is the one true church...then, others can be sure; that it is not. 

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #12 on: Fri May 07, 2010 - 19:27:01 »
It's my understanding that the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Coptic Orthodox denominations claim to be the true Holy Apostolic Church.

Which one is it, exactly?

....and why does it matter?

There is only one Catholic Church.

All other Christian Churches came from this Church.


Simplicity is not necessarily truth.  Desert's answer is quite good, actually.  Pretend that the GM is the true church.  Toyota, Honda, and Ford are Protestants.  They're all cars but don't have the same root.  Chevrolet, GMC, Buick, and Cadillac can all make the claim they are the original.  GMC may say, "yeah, but we have GM in our name."  This doesn't make it more legitimate than the other three.  Names aren't everything.   

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« Reply #13 on: Fri May 07, 2010 - 19:32:02 »
If you claim your church is the one true church...then, others can be sure; that it is not. 

Dad,

I was once fooled by this argument too.  It's a Protestant invention.  In the first 1500 years
of Christianity, everyone claimed they were the in only true church.  I can't think of one Christian (or pseudo-Christian) sect to claim they are only as good as the next church.

Why is it such a stretch to think that the one true religion (Christianity) would have one true church?   


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« Reply #14 on: Tue May 18, 2010 - 13:14:12 »
"Why is it such a stretch to think that the one true religion (Christianity) would have one true church? " 

Thanks!  That is a critical question, Trifecta.  I believe that expressing the truth of the "one body in Christ" (Rom.12 and 1 Cor. 12 and Eph. 4 and Phil. 2, etc.) is being ignored by most Christians in this sectarian world.

God doesn't call us to mergers or amalgamation.   I believe the site at www.biblecounsel.homestead.com seeks to show the need of unity according to the Word.  You might check it out.  Our preferences is not the mind of God (note Isa. 55:8).

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« Reply #15 on: Sun May 30, 2010 - 19:10:08 »
It's my understanding that the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Coptic Orthodox denominations claim to be the true Holy Apostolic Church.

Which one is it, exactly?

....and why does it matter?

There is only one Catholic Church.

All other Christian Churches came from this Church.


Simplicity is not necessarily truth.  Desert's answer is quite good, actually.  Pretend that the GM is the true church.  Toyota, Honda, and Ford are Protestants.  They're all cars but don't have the same root.  Chevrolet, GMC, Buick, and Cadillac can all make the claim they are the original.  GMC may say, "yeah, but we have GM in our name."  This doesn't make it more legitimate than the other three.  Names aren't everything.   


True, but it's not a matter of names, it's a matter of history and truth.

Jesus started a single Church.  The apostles were unified in doctrine, and the early Christians sought the rule of Church leaders to clarify disputes.


When did this first change?

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« Reply #16 on: Fri Jul 09, 2010 - 02:00:05 »
The Holy Spirit established the universal church as in Acts 2, and the apostles were ordained to teach it and propagate it.  After the apostles were removed it continued by the work of the Spirit in ordination of believers and elders in the various assemblies.  There is no such thing as "apostolic succession" as the RC religion and some others like to say.  We do not look to men, but to the Lord and His Spirit in the true church today.

If one is talking about where to find a scriptural expression of the true church, that is a different matter.  As a guide one might find a sound expression of the scriptural order through such as www.biblecounsel.homestead.com

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #17 on: Sat Jul 10, 2010 - 15:54:01 »


 ::announcment::

Where is God’s True Church to Day?

Is there a true church in this world today? And if so, how can it be identified?..............

But once I saw the accuracy of the Bible predictions, I realized God can not lie.
That is peoples interpretation of the Bible, that make God lies.

There is only one safe thing to do with truth - obey it! You cannot get over it, around it, or through it. It won't go away, and it will not change. We don't break God's law; it breaks us if we disobey it.
Thank you God for your blessings, for giving  and trusting me to be your Sanctuary Amen.
 ::amen!::   ::pray::



The potential true church of God is inside each one on us.  If you truely want to follow God in truth, speak to Him directly in your mind and He will guide you how you can do that.

There is not currently any organisation/religion/church on this planet that folloows the word of God completely.  If this is what you are looking for, you will be disappointed. Each one of the lacks something and if you have a close relationship with God (communicating with Him in your mind regularly), you will be able to know what is lacking.  Also read the bible daily.

When it comes to serving God truely, each person is on his/her own and each person is God's church - you can make yourself a true church or an untrue church, depending on how you follow/live God's words during your lifetime.

Lifesaver     ::announcment::

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« Reply #18 on: Tue Jul 13, 2010 - 11:05:06 »
Dear Lifesafer,

I admire the piety of Protestants, but most feel free to interpret Scripture anyway they want, without regard to context or history.

There is no way, when looking at history or Scripture, to say that the church is in your heart.  Yes, your body is your temple, but it is not the church.

Church, at its minimal definition from the Greek, is a gathering of believers. Religion in ancient times was never a personal philosophy but communal.

I am so pleased to be in community with fellow believers.  Church can be a beautiful thing as can being alone in prayer but they are not the same thing.

Thank you for reading.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Jul 16, 2010 - 07:43:28 »
1 Corinthians 6: 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?  20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

As the church is subjected to Christ, that applies to every individual believer as well.  The believers are not subjected to a church:  they are subjected to Christ.  If the church was persecuted and the building destroyed, the believers are still subjected to Christ.

One cannot avoid seeing the personal relationship that every believer has as they are to be the chaste bride to the Bridegroom.

Ephesians 5:23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;  26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,  27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.  28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.  29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:  30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.  31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.  32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

It is a work of iniquity when the church has leaders that sit in Moses seats to rule and not to serve as an example by seeking to serve and not be served.  Seems America has changed the service of the leaders as ones like politicians as in instead of being public servants, the public are serving them:  Seems being a preacher is a career choice as I had heard of a pastor of a church that did not believe in God, but was doing that as a career.  His wife and son believes and hopes that he will see the error of the evolution theory, but again, it goes to point that being a preacher these days as "qualified" by a college degree opens the field of pastoring a church to being a career choice:  not God's calling.

So one can see the importance of Jesus being the Good Shepherd and not a pastor nor a church because they may not be subjected to Christ Jesus in all things.  This is when believers that are subjected to Christ are to serve the church by setting the examples and correcting trespasses by the word of God so that every believer as well as the church are subjected to Christ in following Him. 

Colossians 1:18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Colossians 1:24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

As it is, routines and complacency is what causing alot of believers to be  ::sleepingsoundly::

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Jul 16, 2010 - 10:09:10 »
Greetings, Enow. 


As the church is subjected to Christ, that applies to every individual believer as well.  The believers are not subjected to a church:  they are subjected to Christ.  If the church was persecuted and the building destroyed, the believers are still subjected to Christ.
Actually we are supposed to submit to authorities, including church authorities. (Heb 13)

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It is a work of iniquity when the church has leaders that sit in Moses seats to rule and not to serve as an example by seeking to serve and not be served.

True, but Jesus encouraged people to listen to the guy in the Moses seat (Mat 23:2).  Under your calculation, if there is ever a bad leader you can dump the whole institution.
This is not what the Bible says.

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Seems America has changed the service of the leaders as ones like politicians as in instead of being public servants, the public are serving them:  Seems being a preacher is a career choice as I had heard of a pastor of a church that did not believe in God, but was doing that as a career.  His wife and son believes and hopes that he will see the error of the evolution theory, but again, it goes to point that being a preacher these days as "qualified" by a college degree opens the field of pastoring a church to being a career choice:  not God's calling.

True, this is a problem.  But this is what to expect when anyone can establish a church whenever he feels like it without approval of church authorities.

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So one can see the importance of Jesus being the Good Shepherd and not a pastor nor a church because they may not be subjected to Christ Jesus in all things.


Who of us is subjected to Christ in all things?  What is the alternative you propose?
Taking direction only from God.  This isn't scriptural and can (and often does) lead to meglomania.

One of the things I love about my church is its rich tradition which clergy must agree to uphold.  This tradition includes great saints, martyrs, and, yes, preachers. 
Want to know the truth?  The church is the "pillar and foundation" of the truth. (I Tim 3:15)

The question to answer is which church.

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  As it is, routines and complacency is what causing alot of believers to be  ::sleepingsoundly::

Maybe so, but creative worship is not necessarily virtue.  The unfortunate thing about it: you can do it only once before it becomes a routine.

There is a name when we really examine something we have read many times before.  It is called meditation and that's not a bad thing.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #21 on: Fri Jul 16, 2010 - 14:03:16 »
Greetings, Enow. 


Greetings, trifecta.

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As the church is subjected to Christ, that applies to every individual believer as well.  The believers are not subjected to a church:  they are subjected to Christ.  If the church was persecuted and the building destroyed, the believers are still subjected to Christ.

Actually we are supposed to submit to authorities, including church authorities. (Heb 13)


Elders, deacons, and the pastors are the only immediate church authority that any assembly are to have as they are to be examples as well as subjective to Christ, and no one else above the church.  It is explained that the meaning of the name, The Nicolaitanes, mean a heirarchy that is established over the laity.

http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/why-does-god-hate-practices-of-the-nicolaitans.html

So while some may contest between the meaning of the deeds of the Nicolaitans and the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, the meaning of the name should decalre what they are about.

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It is a work of iniquity when the church has leaders that sit in Moses seats to rule and not to serve as an example by seeking to serve and not be served.


True, but Jesus encouraged people to listen to the guy in the Moses seat (Mat 23:2).  Under your calculation, if there is ever a bad leader you can dump the whole institution.
This is not what the Bible says.


Actually, it is when a house or an assembly does not hear you, then you are to depart.  If one can correct within the assembly or excommunicate those contrary, then you have an assembly of likeminded believers contending for the faith and showing love for one another in their walks with Jesus.

Matthew 10: 12And when ye come into an house, salute it.  13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.  14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

We are not to forsake the assembly:

Hebrews 10: 24And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:  25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

And yet we are not to have fellowship with works of darkness but rather reprove them.

Ephesians 5:10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

But when a church does not heed and patronize, leave.

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Seems America has changed the service of the leaders as ones like politicians as in instead of being public servants, the public are serving them:  Seems being a preacher is a career choice as I had heard of a pastor of a church that did not believe in God, but was doing that as a career.  His wife and son believes and hopes that he will see the error of the evolution theory, but again, it goes to point that being a preacher these days as "qualified" by a college degree opens the field of pastoring a church to being a career choice:  not God's calling.


True, this is a problem.  But this is what to expect when anyone can establish a church whenever he feels like it without approval of church authorities.


"Church authorities" or not, you can only correct error by the scriptures.  God is able to call fishermen into the ministries:  no college degree needs be the qualification for anyone when if God is leading them.

2 Corinthians 3: 5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

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So one can see the importance of Jesus being the Good Shepherd and not a pastor nor a church because they may not be subjected to Christ Jesus in all things.



Who of us is subjected to Christ in all things?  What is the alternative you propose?
Taking direction only from God.  This isn't scriptural and can (and often does) lead to meglomania.


The problem here is when a church believes they can do no wrong.

Did you have the Promise Keepers' program in your church?  Did your church experienced the "holy laughter" movement?  These two plumblines was sent out in 1994, permitted by God, to see who would depart from faith to resorting to their own power and/or chase after other gods.  The two movements were ecumenical in nature in gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles and although the banner waved is no longer highlighted presently, it proves that the church is asleep.

How could such a thing occur in these churches.  When they had a little leaven that allowed it to leaven into a whole lump.  From the commitment to follow Christ for the assurance of salvation presented at the altar call by a famous preacher and by the Nicene creed that broadened the way in the worship place to include the Holy Spirit as a sole worship even from the hymnals, thus allowed man to resort to more bondages in living the christian life in the Pormise Keepers program and allow spirits to steal the spotlight in the worship place when the real indwelling Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself so that He may testify of the Son in seeking the glory of the Son.

Indeed, a faithful witness as led by the Holy Spirit would only testify of the Son in seeking His glory which is the mind of Christ to be having in fellwoship and worship as God the Father cannot be honoured nor glorified except through the Son... and that is what the Holy Spirit Whom is God also, is leading believers to do so that they serve nothing else in His name nor glorify anything else in His name as the name of Jesus is above every other name.

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One of the things I love about my church is its rich tradition which clergy must agree to uphold.  This tradition includes great saints, martyrs, and, yes, preachers. 
Want to know the truth?  The church is the "pillar and foundation" of the truth. (I Tim 3:15)

The question to answer is which church.


That is the question when Jesus cryptically prophesied that because of false prophets, only a few will find the faith because the way has been broadened in how we approach God the Father other than by way of the Son.

Pride cometh before the fall.  If the falling away of the faith is prophesied to occur, and I dare say that it has, maybe the church should stop trying to save face and instead, defend the faith by pruninbg away words and practises that are not representative of that faith.  Little things that have been picked up along the way, adding more as time goes by, is nothing short but a lobster in a slowly boiling kettle.

Time to go to Jesus in prayers for some serious prunings.

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  As it is, routines and complacency is what causing alot of believers to be  ::sleepingsoundly::


Maybe so, but creative worship is not necessarily virtue.  The unfortunate thing about it: you can do it only once before it becomes a routine.

There is a name when we really examine something we have read many times before.  It is called meditation and that's not a bad thing.


Actually, creative worship is what is getting the church in trouble in the first place.  They were creative about the Nicene creed and still no one saw the small leaven in it.  The Holy Spirit Whom will not speak of himself, is not seeking to be worshipped nor glorified with the Father and the Son.  John 5:22-23 & John 13:31-32 leaves the Third Person of the Trinity out of this mind of Christ we are to have since we are led by the Spirit to testify of the Son to glorify the Son to the glory of God the Father. 

And the fact that the Holy Spirit is NOT the Giver of Life, but Jesus Christ is, proves how the creativity of man.. which the Nicene creed was done in ecumenical format to draw all churches together in agreement with the RCC, proves it is an agreement non-Catholics christians should not be making.

John 6: 32Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.  33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.  34Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.  35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 11: 25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

So the Holy Spirit is not the Giver of Life.

Semantics?  That is the cop out excuse used by churches that do not seek to have their words and deeds reproved to be found abiding in Him.  Either we bear a faithful witness, or we are lost in the creativity that has been crept into the churches not supported by the scriptures from the early secular history of the churches.

2 Corinthians 6: 14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?  15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?  16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.  17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.  18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #22 on: Wed Jul 21, 2010 - 14:46:12 »
Good question

We find the true church by knowing its characteristics, which are revealed in the New Testament.  Then, man tries to either model or match those same characteristics as closely as possible in whatever time frame he lives in.  We know God's blessing and authority were present in the Ist Century.  If we practice, teach, or build on the same foundation it's the same building.  Now everyone gets afraid and runs away because basically that's pattern theology.  Which IMO is alot better ground to stand on than "maybe, maybe not."  That being said, I don't think we have to agree on every point.


Personally, if I were looking for a "True church today" why would I start anywhere else except the New Testament.


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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #23 on: Sat Jul 24, 2010 - 11:27:20 »
Dear Lifesafer,

I admire the piety of Protestants, but most feel free to interpret Scripture anyway they want, without regard to context or history.

There is no way, when looking at history or Scripture, to say that the church is in your heart.  Yes, your body is your temple, but it is not the church.

Church, at its minimal definition from the Greek, is a gathering of believers. Religion in ancient times was never a personal philosophy but communal.

I am so pleased to be in community with fellow believers.  Church can be a beautiful thing as can being alone in prayer but they are not the same thing.

Thank you for reading.



"I am so pleased to be in community with fellow believers.  Church can be a beautiful thing as can being alone in prayer but they are not the same thing."

Do not misunderstand me.  Of course, as God said "... when two or more meet together in my name I will be present ..,"  Christians of the same faith need to meet together to keep their faith alive and socialise.

The point I am making is that even within any one congretation in any church at any one time, each individual is answerable to God directly.  If you as an individual is a true serant to God, then you are part of God's 'church'.  If you are not a true servant to God then you are not part of His 'church'.  As simple as that.  It does not matter  where you are in a big congregation of people all cl[b][/b]aimng to 'worship/serve' God ...


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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #24 on: Wed Aug 04, 2010 - 02:17:16 »
There is no such thing as "apostolic succession" as the RC religion and some others like to say.  


Can you demonstrate this from Bible or from history?

A lot of Protestant denom's require their preachers to have a demonstrable lineage in their own group.  That is, a preacher in one denom generally won't be accepted as a preacher in a church of a different denom, because he doesn't have the right sectarian "credentials."  Not saying it's right or wrong, but it does seem very similar.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #25 on: Wed Aug 04, 2010 - 02:25:59 »
There is only one Catholic Church.  All other Christian Churches came from this Church.


Are you sure?   ::shrug::

Celtic churches (England) and Coptic churches (Egypt) can trace their beginnings to the 1-2 centuries.  Nothing I've seen in any historical record, implies that either of them operated under the authority of any mother church.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #26 on: Wed Aug 04, 2010 - 04:49:30 »
The Church is the body of Christ made up of every believer in Christ regardless of their spirituality or carnal organization they have attached themselves to. 1 Corinthians 3:4  "For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?" Brag on your affiliation and Paul called it carnal or fleshy.
  
Revelation 2:1    Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus.
Revelation 2:8    And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna.
Revelation 2:12  And to the angel of the church in Pergamos.
Revelation 2:18  And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira.
Revelation 3:1    And unto the angel of the church in Sardis.
Revelation 3:7    And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia.
Revelation 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans.

Yes, all of the above are the Church despite their condition. Five are told to rtepent and two are given crowns and commended. The Church is an organism; not an organization. Christ is the head and we are members of His body. To answer the question "Where will I find God's true Church to day?" It is anyone that has called upon the name of the Lord and their state or spiritual condition is described in Revelation Chapters Two and Three. Their standing in the body is based on one thing; are they washed in the blood of the Lamb?        
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #27 on: Sun Oct 03, 2010 - 22:34:16 »
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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #28 on: Wed Oct 13, 2010 - 11:18:49 »
It's my understanding that the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Coptic Orthodox denominations claim to be the true Holy Apostolic Church.

Which one is it, exactly?

....and why does it matter?

Which one is built upon Peter?

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #29 on: Wed Oct 13, 2010 - 13:58:05 »

Which Church is built upon the ROCK Jesus. Read of its qualities and lack thereof in Revelation Chapters Two and Three. Read of that to be praised and rewarded, and that portion needing to repent and deserving of chastisement.

Jesus is the Rock of our salvation and a stumblingstone to those who do not believe. Where is God's true Church today? It consists of everyone that has called upon the name of the Lord.

Romans 10:13-14  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #30 on: Wed Oct 13, 2010 - 14:08:21 »

Which Church is built upon the ROCK Jesus. Read of its qualities and lack thereof in Revelation Chapters Two and Three. Read of that to be praised and rewarded, and that portion needing to repent and deserving of chastisement.

Jesus is the Rock of our salvation and a stumblingstone to those who do not believe. Where is God's true Church today? It consists of everyone that has called upon the name of the Lord.

Romans 10:13-14  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?


Gods church today as everyday because God does not change are those to whom Christ has been revealed by the Father.

Luke 10:22

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #31 on: Wed Oct 13, 2010 - 15:30:39 »
To answer the OP, out in the world, doing the work of the body of Christ.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #32 on: Wed Oct 13, 2010 - 15:31:56 »
It's the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus, Himself, 2,000 years ago.  It's the one with all the marks...

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/Teachings/churb2.htm   ::priest::
...so this makes three of them, at least.


Three?  Is your Church Apostolic?  Ordained by the the line of the Apostles?


Yep.

We do have trouble with the marks (love and unity, according to scripture) at times, though.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #33 on: Wed Oct 13, 2010 - 15:33:23 »
It's my understanding that the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Coptic Orthodox denominations claim to be the true Holy Apostolic Church.

Which one is it, exactly?

....and why does it matter?

I met a guy on another board the other day who said he could prove the Baptists were the One True Church that could be traced back to the apostles. And I've known those in another church that some here might have heard of that have said the same.

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Re: Where will I find God's true Church to day ?
« Reply #34 on: Wed Oct 13, 2010 - 16:29:19 »
Marks...Exodus 13:9

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