Yeah... well, I have a sister who NEVER spanked her child when he was growing up, they reasoned with him, and talked to him, and gave him time outs... they did all the right things according to your rule book... and He is doing 16 years in the Tennesee State Pen. So.... Blah, Blah, Blah...
I raised 7 kids... I used spanking as a form (one form) of discipline for deliberate disobedience... I spanked all of my kids, and My son has his masters in Med. Technology and runs a lab in a Hospital. My Girl is a marketing exec for a large company... my other son is a hard working dad of 3 boys who will be spanked if they don't mind, my next son is a Marine honorable serving His country, my next son is away at his first year of College... doing very well after playing 4 years of Football, (Ranked 1st in the region and 6th Longsnapper in the country) and being a Christian leader in his school government. and the team, respected and missed by peers and teachers.... studying Criminal law. My next son is a Junior in high school who who also is a leader in STUCO and took 3rd as MR PHS.. excels at his job and is beloved by his friends and their parents for his quick wit and good manners. My next son, is an outspoken evangelist for His school and friends at the age of 15, and he tested in the top 1% of kids across the US last year...
So.... I think I'll land my vote on the side of "flog em daily, whether they need it or not!"
The thing is about your stories and experiences... you are always going to run into someone has experienced more, seen more and has just as good or better evidence than you. Like me! Peace.
Well done with your children, but of course you dont know if they would have turned out as well if you hadnt spanked them.
Cant agree that you have seen more, experienced more etc than me however. Believe me, I have seen A LOT and experienced A LOT!
My kids are also doing really well and I wasnt even a christian when they were very small, but firm and loving discipline and clear boundaries is what is needed in my opinion, it doesnt need to be physical.
Also I will ask you as well, why do you smack and not use the rod if that is what you all say the Bible says? I cant understand that.
I was not saved when my kids were small either... Not at all... and I don't "SMACK" my kids... I spanked them. I used a belt, or a paddle. You use terms like "abuse"... "smack" ... to make it sound like abuse when it is and was not. I didn't just hit my kids or whale on them at a whim... We talked to them, we explained to them why we believed what we believed, our responsibility to God as their parent, how serious we took that role and then we spanked them for deliberate disobedience...
Why DO YOU try to make those who consider spanking... "NOT SMACKING" or "BEATING" or Abusing suitable for training a child in the way he should go.... appear as abusers? Is it to excuse your lazy attitude towards your own responsibility in raising your own children? Don't accuse me of smacking my child again... or abuse.
You have turned discussing into verbal attacking and false accusations.... You implied Gary lied when He said his dad did him no harm by spanking. It often happens this way... some one thinks the way the do it is the ONLY way to do it, so the rest of us must be jacked up. PS.... I would use a switch also if I did not have a belt or a paddle, I'm not hurting my hand trying to spank the bottom of a disobedient child by hitting his jeans...
You say your way is the way... but I gave an example of someone who used your way, and her son is in prison... and then you say my kids are OK in your opinion BUT I don't know if it was due to discipline... Which leads me to believe, if your kids are OK as you portray.... you do not know that it is solely because you omitted spanking either... You can't. Your claim is just that... a claim, you have no proof.
I'm sorry of I annoyed you, but in my opinion using a belt, stick or anything to repeatedly hit their children is just plain wrong.You call hitting/beating them in this way spanking so as to make it sound more palatable.
It isnt me who has always said how lovely and well behaved my kids are. it was always other people. You also accuse me of having a lazy attitude towards bring my children up, which is totally and utterly wrong, They had a loving firm upbringing and they had plenty of love and knew and were taught right from wrong. I was quite strict with them in many ways such as what I allowed them to watch on tele or on films. They are polite and well behaved to others and friendly young adults.
This isnt because they has the very occasional smack, my youngest for example probably got smacked no more than 4 or 5 times in her entire life, no it was discilpine done consistently day to day,and they didnt need to be spanked, smacked or hit or whatever else you like to call it.
Its a good job that you dont live in the uk, you would may well have been arrested and charged for what you did to your children. Smacking isnt against the law here but hitting with belts, canes would be seen as abuse, and in my opinion rightly so. In my opinion it just isnt neccessary, so why do some continue to do it? Think about it, there are so many other ways that dont involve physical violence.