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'We are brothers,' Pope stresses in message to Pentecostals
« on: Tue Feb 25, 2014 - 10:56:22 »
'We are brothers,' Pope stresses in message to Pentecostals

Pope Francis sent a video message to a gathering of U.S. Pentecostal leaders, voicing his “yearning” that separation between Catholics and other Christians may end.

“We have a lot of cultural riches and religious riches. And we have diverse traditions,” he said. “But we have to encounter one another as brothers.”

“Let’s give each other a spiritual embrace and let God complete the work that He has begun,” he said, adding that “the miracle of unity has begun.”

The Pope quoted a character from Alessandro Manzoni’s novel “The Betrothed,” who says “I’ve never seen God begin a miracle without Him finishing it well.”

“He will complete this miracle of unity,” the Pope emphasized.

Pope Francis’ message was delivered to a meeting of the Fort Worth, Texas-based Kenneth Copeland Ministries by Pentecostal Bishop Tony Palmer, who had recorded it on an iPhone in a Jan. 14 meeting. Palmer knew the Pope from his time in Argentina when the pontiff was Archbishop of Buenos Aires. The video was later uploaded to YouTube.

The Pope described Palmer as “my brother,” saying the two have been “friends for years.”

His message began in English but then switched to Italian, telling his audience he would speak “heartfully” about “the language of the heart.”

This language has “a simple grammar” with two rules: “Love God above all, and love the other, because he is your brother and sister.”

“I am speaking to you as a brother... with joy and yearning,” the Pope continued.

“It gives me joy that you have come together to worship Jesus Christ the only Lord and to pray to the Father and to receive the Spirit,” he said. “This brings me joy because we can see that God is working all over the world.”

“We are kind of… permit me to say, separated,” the Pope lamented.

“It’s sin that has separated us, all our sins, the misunderstandings throughout history. It has been a long road of sins that we all shared in. Who is to blame?”

“We all share the blame,” he said. “We have all sinned. There is only one blameless, the Lord.”

He voiced his yearning that this separation ends and that communion be restored.

“Let us allow our yearning to grow. Because this will propel us to find each other, to embrace one another. And together to worship Jesus Christ as the only Lord of History.”

At one point, the Pope referenced the Old Testament story of Joseph, saying Christians must “cry together” as Joseph did with his brothers.

“These tears will unite us. The tears of Love.”

He asked the Pentecostals for their prayers and promised to pray for them.

“I ask you to bless me, and I bless you. From brother to brother, I embrace you. Thank you”

At the end of Pope Francis’ message, Pentecostal minister Kenneth Copeland encouraged the audience to respond to the Pope’s words.

“Come on, the man asked us to pray for him,” he said with enthusiasm.

“Oh Father…we answer his request,” Copeland prayed. “And since we know not how to pray for him as we ought other than to agree with him in his quest and his heart for the unity of the body of Christ… we come together in the unity of our faith, Halleluiah!”

He said the congregation prayed for the Pope “in the Spirit” and received “words that are not our own.”

Copeland and the congregation then began to speak in tongues.

Before the video, Bishop Palmer spoke of his relationship with the Catholic Church and with Pope Francis. He said he considered Pope Francis one of his three “spiritual fathers.” The two studied together and met often.

He recounted that Pope Francis called him just after Christmas 2013 and invited him to Rome.

“I said to him, ‘Pope Francis, I can’t believe that you’re phoning me. I don’t know how to react to you,” Palmer told the congregation. “I said, ‘You’re the Pope of the Universal Church… 1.2 billion people. And I’m just an everyday clergyman doing his bit for the kingdom.”

However, the Pope assured him, “We are brothers. Nothing will change our friendship.”

The two met Jan. 14 and “made a covenant to work for unity for the Church.”

Though Palmer was eager to have Pope Francis make a video, he did not voice the suggestion. Rather, the Pope suggested it.

“This is history that we’ve got a Pope that recognizes us as brothers and sisters, speaks to us as brothers and sisters, and has sent us a message,” Palmer said.

The Pentecostal bishop also discussed the need for Christian unity.

“I’ve come to understand that diversity is divine. It is division that is diabolic,” he said, saying Christian unity is “the basis of our credibility.”

Bishop Palmer cited the 1999 Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification between the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church, saying it “brought an end to the protest” of the Protestant Reformation.

He called on Protestant Evangelical leaders to sign the agreement, also reciting Jesus’ prayer that his disciples “may be one.”

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« Reply #1 on: Tue Feb 25, 2014 - 16:46:04 »

“I’ve come to understand that diversity is divine. It is division that is diabolic,” he said, saying Christian unity is “the basis of our credibility

Bishop Palmer and I agree. This is what Catholics and non Catholics have been debating over here. He puts it very nicely.



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« Reply #2 on: Sun Dec 28, 2014 - 11:19:43 »
I know its an older topic , but it brought tears to my eyes . such a beautiful moment , one love manifested in the flesh of men's hearts .
kudos  gentlemen "i am my brother's keeper " .
AMEN!

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Dec 28, 2014 - 11:44:39 »
Brings tears to my eyes too. But not for the same reasons. This pope is the first Jesuit ever elected to the office of pope in the RCC.

An antichrist faith and an antichrist pope. It is surely scripture coming to pass as relates to the end of days. God help us all.

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« Reply #4 on: Sun Dec 28, 2014 - 12:18:17 »
there comes a time when we must turn things over to god .
love thy neighbor even thy enemy as yourself .
all things work together for them that love the lord .
nothing is beyond god's power , nor can I condemn an act of unity among faiths with the oppositions to belief in Christ as a whole on the rise .
charity covers a multitude of sins .
you can only control yourself , with the world raging worse and worse we may eventually find ourselves as Christians as a whole facing violent eradication , we may decide that we need band together against a common foe .
if Christ is with us , whom shall we fear ?
blessed are the peacemakers ...
just my thoughts , I love you anyway , one love , god bless.

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Re: 'We are brothers,' Pope stresses in message to Pentecostals
« Reply #5 on: Mon Jan 05, 2015 - 13:14:00 »
It's amazing the tide of apostasy and ecumenism that's occurring in the community today. We are not brothers with the pope. Their doctrine, even their Bible, is decidedly different from that of the Protestant.
Christians do not give praise or worship to the mother of Jesus, dead people, which is necromancy, be they appointed as idols or otherwise, asking them to intercede on our behalf with Jesus.

We are not brothers. In fact, the last pope, Benedict,  made it very clear that was the case when he said Vatican II council in the 60's had become far too liberal. And that Jesus formed only one church and the Roman Catholic faith is the only true path to salvation. The Catholic Church is the only real church.

I don't hear Francis repealing that declaration.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon Jan 05, 2015 - 13:15:57 »
It's amazing the tide of apostasy and ecumenism that's occurring in the community today. We are not brothers with the pope. Their doctrine, even their Bible, is decidedly different from that of the Protestant.
Christians do not give praise or worship to the mother of Jesus, dead people, which is necromancy, be they appointed as idols or otherwise, asking them to intercede on our behalf with Jesus.

We are not brothers. In fact, the last pope, Benedict,  made it very clear that was the case when he said Vatican II council in the 60's had become far too liberal. And that Jesus formed only one church and the Roman Catholic faith is the only true path to salvation. The Catholic Church is the only real church.

I don't hear Francis repealing that declaration.

My brothers and sisters in Christ is anyone who believes in Christ as Lord and Savior, no matter what church they worship in, or what differences we have over disputable matters. 

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« Reply #7 on: Mon Jan 05, 2015 - 23:12:37 »
my brothers in adam , if not in Christ ... I am my brother's keeper .

1. we find common ground and peace "blessed are the peacemakers "
or
2. we are an example to those "lost " in a floundering faith .

I cant see how trying to make peace is ungodly .nor do I think its beyond god to heal the minds of men .

frankly , we have enough battles ahead of us ....

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« Reply #8 on: Mon Jan 05, 2015 - 23:19:43 »
considering we live in a world where Christians are still beheaded , burned , tortured , violated ... BECAUSE OF A DIFFERENCE OF BELIEFS ... fostering kindness and understanding , longsuffering , agape , charity for Catholics  willing to extend a hand in friendship would be to our benefit .
I don't mind dying for my faith , but im not in a hurry to throw life away , I have work yet to do.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Jan 09, 2015 - 06:42:14 »
A daughter deserves its mother.. let them have each other.. two divisions meshed doesn't undivide..only One Jesus that saves yet many-Jesus abundant.