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Ask a pentecostal
« on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 18:54:25 »
I just can't help it. Specially seeing as not many actually know what we believe.

So if you wanna know ask.

Other Pentecostal's are welcome to answer if they desire.

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« Reply #1 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 18:56:51 »
Great thread!

Does the doctrine of the 2nd baptism of the HS set up a class system within the church?  Those who speak in tongue receive greater sanctification. etc?  Are people who do not speak in tongues looked down upon?

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« Reply #2 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 18:57:34 »
Here's another one: Why do some Pentecostal churches hold classes on how to speak in tongues?

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 19:05:15 »
Great thread!

Does the doctrine of the 2nd baptism of the HS set up a class system within the church?  Those who speak in tongue receive greater sanctification. etc?  Are people who do not speak in tongues looked down upon?

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No not at all. Tongues is a gift. The giver is God. I am filled with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. My husband is not. I am no better than my husband. No more sanctified no holier or not more righteous.

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« Reply #4 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 19:05:55 »
Here's another one: Why do some Pentecostal churches hold classes on how to speak in tongues?
Not all do. And the few that do are very wrong.

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« Reply #5 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 19:17:12 »
Here's another: Do you believe, as some Pentecostals do, that the words "in the name of Jesus", or "in Jesus' name" must be said while you are being baptized in water, in order for your baptism to be valid?

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 19:24:48 »
Here's another: Do you believe, as some Pentecostals do, that the words "in the name of Jesus", or "in Jesus' name" must be said while you are being baptized in water, in order for your baptism to be valid?
No I don't.

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 19:37:45 »
The History of your beginning? Just what movement did your church come from. What set your church at difference than others?

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 20:06:09 »
The History of your beginning? Just what movement did your church come from. What set your church at difference than others?
That is very difficult to answer. I am originally Assemblies of God. But due to some problems with our church we have begun to attend a Pentecostal Church of God. The Assemblies as most know started as a result of the Asuza Street Revival. PCOG I am not sure.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 20:14:36 »
Ok I have never been to an assembly of this type so this question comes from hear say and is not intended to be offensive but just wondering if true.
I'm have heard that when the Holy Ghost comes on some that that go to talking in tongues and roll on floor as in a seizure is this so?

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« Reply #10 on: Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 20:19:19 »
Ok I have never been to an assembly of this type so this question comes from hear say and is not intended to be offensive but just wondering if true.
I'm have heard that when the Holy Ghost comes on some that that go to talking in tongues and roll on floor as in a seizure is this so?
Tongues is the initial evidence of the Holy Spirit. Years ago the Pentecostal church was nick named holy rollers. In other words some do. It all depends on the individual. Everyone reacts differently to the Holy Spirit.

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« Reply #11 on: Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 14:24:53 »
The Assembly of God Pentecostals Baptize in the Mat 28:19 formula. That would include most of the TBN Pentecostals. T.D. Jakes would be Jesus name only.

Apostolic Pentecostals Baptize in the name of Jesus only. Acts 2:38, and 4:12.

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:24:47 »
Here's another: Do you believe, as some Pentecostals do, that the words "in the name of Jesus", or "in Jesus' name" must be said while you are being baptized in water, in order for your baptism to be valid?
No I don't.

Thanks for answering. Do you believe in the practice of being "slain in the spirit"? If so, what Scriptures, if any, would you use to support such a practice?

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #13 on: Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 18:15:06 »
Here's another: Do you believe, as some Pentecostals do, that the words "in the name of Jesus", or "in Jesus' name" must be said while you are being baptized in water, in order for your baptism to be valid?
No I don't.

Thanks for answering. Do you believe in the practice of being "slain in the spirit"? If so, what Scriptures, if any, would you use to support such a practice?
I would have to search for the scriptures. I will do that. But I have personally experience being slain in the spirit.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 23:11:05 »
Here's another: Do you believe, as some Pentecostals do, that the words "in the name of Jesus", or "in Jesus' name" must be said while you are being baptized in water, in order for your baptism to be valid?
No I don't.

Thanks for answering. Do you believe in the practice of being "slain in the spirit"? If so, what Scriptures, if any, would you use to support such a practice?
I would have to search for the scriptures. I will do that. But I have personally experience being slain in the spirit.

Please do search the Scriptures. And when you respond, along with any Scriptural support, please describe your experience, and what your church teaches and practices regarding this subject...

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Sep 18, 2007 - 14:29:12 »
Here are some verses used to explin the term slain in the spirit.

Mt 17:6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified.
Mt 17:7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Sep 18, 2007 - 20:35:30 »
Here are some verses used to explin the term slain in the spirit.

Mt 17:6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified.
Mt 17:7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,

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« Reply #17 on: Tue Sep 18, 2007 - 23:00:22 »
Hmm.  Those Scriptures just seem to describe people in different situations where they were overcome with shock in reaction to incredible events.  It was simply their emotional responses to what happened.

I would never have thought it was anything beyond that.  ::shrug::
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« Reply #18 on: Tue Sep 18, 2007 - 23:50:27 »
Here are some verses used to explin the term slain in the spirit.

Mt 17:6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified.
Mt 17:7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,

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« Reply #19 on: Wed Sep 19, 2007 - 00:02:38 »
Well I also found some in the ot if you would like them posted as well James.

I would like to see something, Renee. In my experience, when dealing with the subject of being "slain in the spirit", when Scriptural support is requested, a patchwork of proof-texts are cited, which really do not prove anything at all.

There have been times when I felt so light I just fell. Some times I felt a heaviness. Some I just went down on my own. But all the time I had control over it. I could've refused and stayed on my feet. Consider the scripture The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet.

Honestly, I don't see what you're describing as being "slain in the spirit".

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« Reply #20 on: Wed Sep 19, 2007 - 11:36:04 »
22And the hand of the LORD was there upon me; and he said unto me, Arise, go forth into the plain, and I will there talk with thee.
23Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the LORD stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar: and I fell on my face.
24Then the spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet, and spake with me, and said unto me, Go, shut thyself within thine house.
Ezekiel 3:22-24 (King James Version)

2And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
3And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.
4And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.
Ezekiel 43:2-4 (King James Version)

18And I fell down before the LORD, as at the first, forty days and forty nights: I did neither eat bread, nor drink water, because of all your sins which ye sinned, in doing wickedly in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
Deuteronomy 9 (King James Version)

28As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.
Ezekiel 1 (King James Version)

17So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Daniel 8 (King James Version)

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Honestly, I don't see what you're describing as being "slain in the spirit".
then apparently it is not what you thought. Different people are affected differently

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« Reply #21 on: Wed Sep 19, 2007 - 12:16:31 »
22And the hand of the LORD was there upon me; and he said unto me, Arise, go forth into the plain, and I will there talk with thee.
23Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the LORD stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar: and I fell on my face.
24Then the spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet, and spake with me, and said unto me, Go, shut thyself within thine house.
Ezekiel 3:22-24 (King James Version)

2And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
3And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.
4And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.
Ezekiel 43:2-4 (King James Version)

18And I fell down before the LORD, as at the first, forty days and forty nights: I did neither eat bread, nor drink water, because of all your sins which ye sinned, in doing wickedly in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
Deuteronomy 9 (King James Version)

28As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.
Ezekiel 1 (King James Version)

17So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Daniel 8 (King James Version)

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Honestly, I don't see what you're describing as being "slain in the spirit".
then apparently it is not what you thought. Different people are affected differently

I am not questioning anyone's salvation or anything, but I consider the passages I've seen to explain the "slain in the spirit" doctrine as beyond a stretch.

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« Reply #22 on: Wed Sep 19, 2007 - 16:10:39 »
Most people think of being slain in the spirit like a movie depiction. There are many who poke fun at Pentecostals, and just have not had the experience for yourself.

What would you call the experience given in the verses?

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« Reply #23 on: Thu Sep 20, 2007 - 02:01:16 »
practice of being "slain in the spirit"?

HUH? How would one practice this?  If the Holy Spirit touches you and knocks you down or flat, as John in Revelation... How would you practice for that?

If God want to interfere with the normal way of life for you, as he did with Zechariah (Luke 1:5-23, 59-79) which kept him from ministering in the temple, unable to speak, He will. There is no practice.


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« Reply #24 on: Thu Sep 20, 2007 - 02:05:46 »
Here's another: Do you believe, as some Pentecostals do, that the words "in the name of Jesus", or "in Jesus' name" must be said while you are being baptized in water, in order for your baptism to be valid?
No I don't.

Thanks for answering. Do you believe in the practice of being "slain in the spirit"? If so, what Scriptures, if any, would you use to support such a practice?



1Ki 8:10  And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy [place], that the cloud filled the house of the LORD,


 1Ki 8:11  So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD


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« Reply #25 on: Thu Sep 20, 2007 - 03:01:21 »
Yeah... It could be very diffacult to stand, let alone minister to others when the GLORY of the LORD comes down on you...

Sometimes, it's just like a wee short nap... in the Holy Presence of the LIVING GOD.  ::sleepingsoundly::

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« Reply #26 on: Thu Sep 20, 2007 - 07:33:02 »
Here's another: Do you believe, as some Pentecostals do, that the words "in the name of Jesus", or "in Jesus' name" must be said while you are being baptized in water, in order for your baptism to be valid?
No I don't.

Thanks for answering. Do you believe in the practice of being "slain in the spirit"? If so, what Scriptures, if any, would you use to support such a practice?



1Ki 8:10  And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy [place], that the cloud filled the house of the LORD,


 1Ki 8:11  So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD



All that says is that the priests were unable to fulfill their duties simply because the cloud disrupted things in the temple.  If something like that happened in a service at our church today, I doubt we would be able to go on with "business as usual" either.  It doesn't mean that anyone was "slain in the spirit" (whatever is really meant by that) though.

Again, most of these scriptures just appear to describe the natural reaction of individuals to extraordinary events.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Sep 20, 2007 - 07:39:35 »
Concerning what I have seen on here on being "slain in the Spirit":  It seems to me that these passages are being used to justify a pre-conceived doctrine, rather than to get doctrine from the scriptures. 

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« Reply #28 on: Fri Sep 21, 2007 - 12:43:40 »
Concerning what I have seen on here on being "slain in the Spirit":  It seems to me that these passages are being used to justify a pre-conceived doctrine, rather than to get doctrine from the scriptures. 

When, after the out pouring of the Spirit, people fell down or swooned, the name given was slain in the spirit. There was the event, then they looked up the event in scripture, and found that others had experienced the same, or similar manifestations.

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« Reply #29 on: Sat Sep 22, 2007 - 17:31:36 »
Concerning what I have seen on here on being "slain in the Spirit":  It seems to me that these passages are being used to justify a pre-conceived doctrine, rather than to get doctrine from the scriptures. 
What these people in the bible experienced is now called Slain in the Spirit.

Just like from these scriptures we get the word rapture

1Co 15:51  Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

The words themselves are not in there but the idea is.

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« Reply #30 on: Sat Sep 22, 2007 - 17:37:16 »
At the moment, I would settle for being papercut by the Spirit.     Just a glimpse and move beyond the rhetoric.

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« Reply #31 on: Sat Sep 22, 2007 - 20:24:41 »
At the moment, I would settle for being papercut by the Spirit.

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« Reply #32 on: Sat Sep 22, 2007 - 20:28:41 »
At the moment, I would settle for being papercut by the Spirit.     Just a glimpse and move beyond the rhetoric.
Not me. There is so much more to God that little box that mankind has put Him in. I want all I can get of Him. God is so vast. We have not yet seen His vastness.

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« Reply #33 on: Sat Sep 22, 2007 - 21:05:25 »
Hi Renee,  Did you ever see the movie "Jesus Camp"?   If you did - did you think it was a fair portrayal of penticostal evangelicals?

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« Reply #34 on: Sun Sep 23, 2007 - 01:52:50 »
umm.... I'm going to say no to this question.  Based on a movie trailer I saw of this movie. I do not send my kids out into the world to fight for life or to save souls, I am training them up in the way they should go and when it is time, if they are to be preachers, teachers or missionaries... God will call them.

I am not laying hands on them to be slain or speak in tongues.... but I lay hands on them for their daily needs and for God's hand to be on them. My kids go to "kids camp" where they have fun and fellowship, they have chapel at evening fireside and they swim and play. I teach them the ways of the LORD, in their coming in, and their goings out. In their rising up, and their laying down.

They are children... I am called to go into the world and preach the gospel, and I am called to try to reach a sick and dying world. They are not the tools God gave me to use to do that. They are the children He entrusted me with and to "suffer them not to come unto Him".  If they want to speak of faith or speak the name of jesus to someone, or Help them in any way.. I support that and I will help. But, I am not putting them in the ministry. That is a calling from God.

And NO we are not like Ted Haggart. We are in prayer daily, we are fighting the good fight, we are raising our hands in worship and praise unto the LORD OF LORDS...  We are striving against sin in our own lives, and praying for those who need it to do the same. We are waiting on Jesus to return to take us home.

We are willing to meet the call to witness, preach, teach or love someone who needs the LORD.  And... we believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, we believe they are in action in the body of Christ today. We believe in the laying on of hands.  We speak the word of God in our daily lives, and we believe it.

We teach one another, we disciple. We forgive and we lift one another up in prayer. I do not teach my children the souls of the world are on their shoulders... I teach my children that they are on HIS. 

We are not dolts who just fall down because some man who stands in the pulpit lays hands on us and gives a push. But, if the Spirit of God decides to lay us out on the floor, we go.  There is a difference.  It's happened to me once... ONCE in 27 years of being saved.  And I did not roll, or toss and turn.  I was not unconscious or unaware of my surroundings. I was in a "BLESSED" state and very aware.  It lasted moments. But, I know what it was. 

We do not spend Sunday jumping up and down and shouting. Every service is not a service where any one would be slain, or speak in tongues or even get excited.  We spend time in worship on our knees, we glean from the word of God, we spend time at the altar.  And we go home and keep our hands clean.  We LOVE the LORD.

I hope this in someway answers your question.  ::tippinghat::