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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #70 on: Tue Oct 09, 2007 - 18:39:36 »
I'm sorry, but when i first thought i was led to the charismatic church, i walked in and they were praising God..... i then felt entirely different... i had never raised my hands during an assembly and when this wind started swirling around my body, i was led to lift my hands....
i looked up to see if it was the air conditioner and low and behold it was blaring wind into the congregation....

now, what i may have felt may have not been anything but the air conditioner or perhaps it was the wind of the holy spirit....

but here's a question.... "is that how they invite the holy spirit in, by turning on the air conditioner?"  and then the helper comes tailing along?


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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #71 on: Tue Oct 09, 2007 - 18:58:17 »
I'm sorry, but when i first thought i was led to the charismatic church, i walked in and they were praising God..... i then felt entirely different... i had never raised my hands during an assembly and when this wind started swirling around my body, i was led to lift my hands....
i looked up to see if it was the air conditioner and low and behold it was blaring wind into the congregation....

now, what i may have felt may have not been anything but the air conditioner or perhaps it was the wind of the holy spirit....

but here's a question.... "is that how they invite the holy spirit in, by turning on the air conditioner?"  and then the helper comes tailing along?


Nope it is not. I have felt that wind and I was nowhere near the air conditioner. You welcome the Holy Spirit the same way you welcome a friend that comes to your house for a visit.

 Now I have a question why have an air conditioner in our homes?

Now the reason some churches are cold. Is because during the day you have to keep some places cold for it to be bearable in the evening.

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #72 on: Wed Oct 10, 2007 - 00:48:30 »
do you think the holy spirit would fall in a hot building?

it might but it might not be the spirit that slays people or calls people to speak in tongues?

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #73 on: Wed Oct 10, 2007 - 01:54:29 »
do you think the holy spirit would fall in a hot building?

it might but it might not be the spirit that slays people or calls people to speak in tongues?

Your mocking is not funny. Not in the least.  Not to me.

The reason our church is cooler than most places is due to the fact that our pastor has to stand under hot lights in a suit every Sunday to preach.  He is a lively preacher with much to say.

But, I've seen the Holy Spirit fall when we were outside on a nice sunny day for service in the park.  So... No its not the cool airconditioning that we use as a tool.

Why be a jerk about this?  It's plain you think its funny, and you don't believe, you think we work it  up and reject any idea God would visit any of us... but you have made your point three times now... Do you think we love cold air, but can't read? 

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #74 on: Wed Oct 10, 2007 - 10:09:49 »
do you think the holy spirit would fall in a hot building?

it might but it might not be the spirit that slays people or calls people to speak in tongues?
do You think people with health problems would drop in a hot building? I know they'd be callin an ambulence on me.

And apparently you know nothing of the way God works.

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #75 on: Wed Oct 10, 2007 - 11:57:23 »
i'm not mocking..... not in the least trying to be funny

i'm sorry you think i'm just having fun here...
i dealt with some real issues concerning this in times past:

for a complete reason why i'm asking all this, go to christianforums.com and
click on the charismatic, non word of faith forum

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #76 on: Wed Oct 10, 2007 - 12:37:59 »
i'm not mocking..... not in the least trying to be funny

i'm sorry you think i'm just having fun here...
i dealt with some real issues concerning this in times past:

for a complete reason why i'm asking all this, go to christianforums.com and
click on the charismatic, non word of faith forum

as you know I am on there as well. now what does that have to do with this

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #77 on: Wed Oct 10, 2007 - 13:54:02 »
I tried to search it out and could not get anything on Christian forums about charismatics.

FTL

But that does not change the fact you are accusing Pentecostal Churches of being disingenuous.

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« Reply #78 on: Thu Oct 11, 2007 - 03:17:15 »
No, i just had real issues with this....
i thought what was on me in these churches was the spirit, and looked around at some sort of wind on everyone... and it ended up being the air conditioner....

but.... i started experiencing wind coming on me in situations where there wasn't an air conditioner..... and i thought it was the holy spirit....

we started practicing something back then called, 'practicing the presence of God'...
in which we sat legs folded and palms up... and listening to spiritual music, we would wait until the holy spirit came on us.... each time, i would experience wind of some sort.. or at least a coolness

then to top things off..... i believed strongly that i had a presence of this wind...
i would walk into groups of believers with this coolness and they would all the sudden say, 'wow, why is it cold in here'...

people started getting sick too...

once when i was in a room, though, someone got healed of a back problem

i assumed it was miracles coming from my annointing...

anyway, got baptized one evening and then the wind left me,,,,

think i got possessed after that... then delivered, the wind then returned, for a brief period, until i got in trouble with the law and they put me in a mental hospital....then i got demon possessed in the hospital.... voices woke me up telling me i was an apostle, and i was to move to st. louis....

soooo. to make a long story short, i stay away from the charismatic church now....

too many things i don't understand....

not sure i ever figured out the wind thing... but i think i was more in to the wind (feelings) than God.....




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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #79 on: Thu Oct 11, 2007 - 09:58:32 »
Do something. Put on some good christian music get alone with God Seek God not some wind.

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« Reply #80 on: Thu Oct 11, 2007 - 11:41:22 »
The Spirit came like the Wind, but was a consuming fire, a purifying of the soul, and complete submission to God.

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #81 on: Thu Oct 11, 2007 - 23:07:41 »
l.a. providence... your remarks were not as in seeking. They were as in accusing.  You are saying because your life went off balance, then the whole thing of the Holy Spirit moving on people must be fake. Or those believing it must be faking it.

Were you faking all of that you participated in? Or do you deem it really did happen that way?  If you believe that all to be real, and stand by it, saying you were posessed, then it stands to reason, that the move of the Holy Spirit must be real also.

For if that can be, that satan can posess, then GOD surely can move upon his people and cause them to faint, or speak in tongues or to prophecy.  You can't have one without the other, you cannot say that things of satan are real, and things of God are not.

Unless you were faking all of that which came upon your life, then those of us who profess that God has touched us, must be sincere.


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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #82 on: Fri Oct 12, 2007 - 00:08:13 »
Just a comment about unbelief of the move of the Holy Spirit.

When someone has recieved Christ as there savior and someone comes along and says that they do not believe it is real. Does that make you not a child of God?

There is nothing that can be said from others that change the fact. You know in your heart that it is real. Well for those that believe in the move of the Holy Spirit manifested by the gifts. Those that have experienced it. Nothing anyone can say can change what you have experinced. This I have rested in, God has confirmed and has given me peace and I do not debate it but I will share it.
May God give us all peace!!!

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #83 on: Fri Oct 12, 2007 - 02:09:48 »
Well said indeed!   ::tippinghat::

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #84 on: Fri Oct 12, 2007 - 09:02:57 »
I was sincere also....
but sincerity and truth are two different things.....

balaam was sincere in beating his donkey, but the donkey had to turn around and tell him he was going the wrong way....

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« Reply #85 on: Fri Oct 12, 2007 - 12:57:55 »
Just a comment about unbelief of the move of the Holy Spirit.

When someone has recieved Christ as there savior and someone comes along and says that they do not believe it is real. Does that make you not a child of God?

There is nothing that can be said from others that change the fact. You know in your heart that it is real. Well for those that believe in the move of the Holy Spirit manifested by the gifts. Those that have experienced it. Nothing anyone can say can change what you have experinced. This I have rested in, God has confirmed and has given me peace and I do not debate it but I will share it.
May God give us all peace!!!
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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #86 on: Fri Oct 12, 2007 - 13:04:48 »
I was sincere also....
but sincerity and truth are two different things.....

balaam was sincere in beating his donkey, but the donkey had to turn around and tell him he was going the wrong way....
So let me get this straight.

The presence of God is sincere but not true?

And you are the donkey here to tell us that we are going the wrong way?

So then in other words you are not here inquisitively only accusatory?

Hmm Then please in the words of my 2 year old.

buh bye.

In other words this is a place to honestly ask honest questions not tell me and others that we are wrong for believing there is more to God than any of us truly realizes.

Now if you can not do that I ask you nicely to leave this thread.

Now if you honestly want to know then stay and ask.

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« Reply #87 on: Fri Oct 12, 2007 - 13:13:07 »
I was sincere also....
but sincerity and truth are two different things.....

balaam was sincere in beating his donkey, but the donkey had to turn around and tell him he was going the wrong way....
So let me get this straight.

The presence of God is sincere but not true?

And you are the donkey here to tell us that we are going the wrong way?

So then in other words you are not here inquisitively only accusatory?

Hmm Then please in the words of my 2 year old.

buh bye.

In other words this is a place to honestly ask honest questions not tell me and others that we are wrong for believing there is more to God than any of us truly realizes.

Now if you can not do that I ask you nicely to leave this thread.

Now if you honestly want to know then stay and ask.




Sometimes we do tend to think of a different word for donkey.  But I don't think there is a equis species present on this thread.

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« Reply #88 on: Fri Oct 12, 2007 - 15:46:03 »
No one named Jack that I know, but.......well that may be up for interpretation.

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #89 on: Wed Mar 12, 2008 - 23:11:30 »
Question: With all do respect, isn't the interpretation of the Book of Acts, in particular, "speculative" exegesis. The interpretation of Acts 2 assumes that "New Tongues" means that the Spirit caused many to speak in an utterance. Then this belief is applied throughout the entirety of the book. Such as Peter anointing an individual, this individual recieved the Spirit (and presumably) spoke in tongues as a result. Now, after doing some research, I believe that the individuals at the time of Pentecost were at the Temple in Jerusalem. The reason for my belief is that Pentecost was also known as the Feast of Weeks. This feast was a time when individuals came from all over the Roman Empire to celebrate their crops that had grow, make sacrifices to God, and so forth. Now this would account for the multiple individuals that would have been there at this time. Further, when a man states that those there were filled with "New wine" Peter rebuttals by saying that it is to early for this to be so. Sacrifices were made at 9 am, 3 pm, and later on in the day during this feast. Additionally, this day was a day before the Jewish Sabbath, but it was still celebrated as sabbath day because of the feast. Now, this would account for the believers not being drunk and it being the result of the Spirit. Finally, I think the miracle was in the speaking. There were multiple nations that would have all known each others language. Would this not make more logical sense? (This is my first question)

Secondly, speaking in tongues is not something that is seen through history until Quakers, Azuza Street, and so forth. How can this be Orthodox if the Holy Spirit guides the truth through history? This seems to have been a lost practice for many centuries if this is the case. How would you respond to this?

Thanks for your willingness to answer questions. I would note that I ask because I am genuinely interested in knowing the truth! God bless brother.

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« Reply #90 on: Wed Mar 12, 2008 - 23:50:26 »
I have felt the wind and also fire     

You have to understand one thing    ::angel:: start to show up

When you are going into the spirit like that      Or the spirit is comming upon you like that         let them come      ::angel::

Its great    but there is also a backlash   as the Devil try to shut it down

The blood and the cross will get you through    heaps of repentance

Light exposes darkness

Look

5 Now the LORD descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, 7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.

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« Reply #91 on: Thu Mar 13, 2008 - 00:13:39 »
 Our Father in heaven,
      Hallowed be Your name.
       10 Your kingdom come.
      Your will be done
      On earth as it is in heaven.
       11 Give us this day our daily bread.
       12 And forgive us our debts,
      As we forgive our debtors.
       13 And do not lead us into temptation,
      But deliver us from the evil one.
      For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.[c]


7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write,
‘These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens

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« Reply #92 on: Thu Mar 13, 2008 - 01:11:23 »
I would respond to this .... the word says,  That "quench not the spirit, for this is the will of God"..

But, it seems as time went by, and MEN became the authority in pious admiration of themselves, they needed not to seek the Holy Spirit and the gifts, for they believed they had all the answers. They had the robes, the hats and the religious pious answers to all they sought, so they did not seek to be filled or to walk in the gifts as so many seek to do today... today, to say you are part of a religion is not enough, people are seeking God Himself, and being filled, and speaking in tongues, receiving gifts and using them for the building up of the body of Christ.

That is why the Catholics were so quick to label Luther a heretic and to even put a price on his head to be murdered.  That confuses me also, the Pope at the time, ordered him killed. Very Christian.  Because he believed and wanted the church to get back to seeking the face of God, the Holy Spirit and His guiding and all that would come with that, including gifts and infilling. So... they sought to kill him.

But, I do not believe the story that the Church is that church at all, I believe that version that speaks of the SPLIT that came when the word Catholic came on the scene and the church was united with government in Rome. The true church, who still sought God and still walked in the gifts went underground, and has always been with us. 

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« Reply #93 on: Thu Mar 13, 2008 - 03:43:15 »
I would respond to this .... the word says,  That "quench not the spirit, for this is the will of God"..

But, it seems as time went by, and MEN became the authority in pious admiration of themselves, they needed not to seek the Holy Spirit and the gifts, for they believed they had all the answers. They had the robes, the hats and the religious pious answers to all they sought, so they did not seek to be filled or to walk in the gifts as so many seek to do today... today, to say you are part of a religion is not enough, people are seeking God Himself, and being filled, and speaking in tongues, receiving gifts and using them for the building up of the body of Christ.

That is why the Catholics were so quick to label Luther a heretic and to even put a price on his head to be murdered.  That confuses me also, the Pope at the time, ordered him killed. Very Christian.  Because he believed and wanted the church to get back to seeking the face of God, the Holy Spirit and His guiding and all that would come with that, including gifts and infilling. So... they sought to kill him.

But, I do not believe the story that the Church is that church at all, I believe that version that speaks of the SPLIT that came when the word Catholic came on the scene and the church was united with government in Rome. The true church, who still sought God and still walked in the gifts went underground, and has always been with us. 

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #94 on: Sat Mar 15, 2008 - 11:50:30 »
I appreciate this thread and your patience.  What did it feel like to have the Holy Spirit baptism?  Is it like the wind moving into you?  Does the wind itself feel good? 

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« Reply #95 on: Sat Mar 15, 2008 - 20:57:00 »
I appreciate this thread and your patience.  What did it feel like to have the Holy Spirit baptism?  Is it like the wind moving into you?  Does the wind itself feel good? 
The wind feels like wind  moving under my shirt  It can even feel like a invisible pillow pushing you    I normally feel it while praying or worshiping   I know at that time a release of his breath has just come into the room giving life

Fire    gets hot    hot on head    body       Not really sore hot    but burns 

no pain    but there has been many times when the crunching ( birthing ) has been so intense that for days my stomach muscles have been sore
Guys do birth    Elijah    You start to gasp and pant like a women in labour

There are even times when you start to release the wind through your mouth    The Holy Spirit just does it   You don't Think   I'm going to blow now

No no no   I have given myself to the Holy Spirit    and said to Him
use me any way that you feel like it    I don't care as much now to the manifestations that happen around my life   Because if I pull back then I don't encounter him as much     I would rather be a fool for him and encounter him than have my pride and miss out.I had to come to this decision a few years ago.

And when his weight started to come at the early stages    I was thinking  God I cant handle this force  He then slightly lifted it
You have to understand   you cant even talk at times like this
But when comming into a  place like this   I keep saying   more Holy Spirit   more Lord

He comes like the waves     set after set   the next stronger than the first
another low then bang  more and more

I have learnt that    the spiritual atmosphere rips and what is in heaven evades our earth      Strategic praying   etc   spiritual  Gates doors or portals opening    By staying in this place you can open up the realm even more

You allow youself to become the channel to release his kingdom to earth

I have felt it through my clothes    Different than when you feel his Holy Spirit moving through you like vibrations or waves of pure love and joy


His wind can physically moves you around    different than the weight of God that also comes upon     My be the weight and wind are very similar but with the weight     you just start to bow down under it     and if he keep comming you will end up on the floor    That feels like   The hand of God is pressing down on you    even feels like you are pushed into the carpet floor


I see it also as angels comming in   It could be angels moving me around   or there wings making the wind

Some of my friends see angels when this starts to happen in the spirit

I don't see the angels like they see them   but I can feel them

Still trying to figure it all out     no problems   I like it

I always feel the total love acceptance and joy of God while in these places and come out feeling so radically changed
There is also a place in intercession that when praying for people     you can actually feel there pain  and you pray to God that way   as well

A good place to pray from     Releasing     Praying for others    You come under the weight of it and then release it to Christ

 You ask God to then release healing into them

Also for spiritual warefare     Same thing

You then are the one who is standing in the gap for there behalf    going to Christ      They would probably have gone as well   but when two show up

They do put more to flight.

Its all good    I love It        And after encounters like the above

Revelation starts to unfold    You start to dream and see more in the spirit etc

A gatekeeper releasing His Kingdom to earth


Look most of this stuff is caught not taught

The more you go in the faster it gets

It all feels so cool

Its all in the word       hidden

Every dream etc will be in the word    above all get understanding


let it rip



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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #96 on: Sun Mar 16, 2008 - 15:35:23 »
Thank you, Mark, for opening yourself up and sharing your experiences.  I think it helps us to understand.  Have you ever had the wind or spirit come to you when you were not praying or in worship?

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« Reply #97 on: Mon Mar 17, 2008 - 10:15:42 »
I've never understood why this was a controversial subject.   In the years I was an unbeliever....I was never slain in the spirit or spoke in tongues.  People Do admit this was in the early church.  So, we know at least at SOME point this was from God.

So, if someone goes to God and asked to be baptised in the Holy Spirit and they get evidence of this....whatever that evidence may be....then why would this even be remotely connected with the works of the devil or some heretic act?

I'm not suggesting people HAVE to do it.....I'm just saying they CAN. 


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« Reply #98 on: Mon Mar 17, 2008 - 12:23:05 »
Thank you, Mark, for opening yourself up and sharing your experiences.  I think it helps us to understand.  Have you ever had the wind or spirit come to you when you were not praying or in worship?
No not the wind  nor the other ones like the fire  but thinking about him and you are off    It can become that quick   but I have felt his presence   You can pick up when there is someone praying for you     And maybe he just wants to be close   If you just stay pressed in   you can feel him all the time.

He has never freaked me out in that way    normally I can feel his presence fist        His presence is so nice    Sometimes he cloaks you just before something nasty comes your way    He knows and gives you extra supplies for the journey ahead     He never said this life would be easy   but he did say he will never leave us or forsake us.

The only thing is    after a prayer meeting or strong church meeting   I cant get to sleep until past midnight  and I have to get up at 4.00am

But I would rather have him and little sleep than be without   he knows that

I mean your entire body soul spirit is so alive   buzzing
I like those times when just lying in bed and being with him
One of the most enjoyable moments    just you and him
John 17    him in you you in him etc     weaving yourselves together as one

There are just so many angles levels or faces to him    I cant really put it into words    changes in the anointing    ?

GloryB   you are right

Many have been looking for a Devil in it

Many have found God in it   

And you are right    you don't have to enter up to your head   if you don't want to     He doesn't force his wine into your mouth    you choice to drink or not

He is always the  perfect gentleman   never goes where he is not wanted and meets us were we are     because he just so wants to be with us 

I think he is happy either way       meditating on him while reading the word
allowing gratitude to spring forth within us

To banging through you with realms of Glory

I like the two     And if I can know him in all    then I will

In my suffering      has been one of the closest that I have felt him
In the breaking        another side of him that he allows you to see and know him      and       you allow him to know you  ( allow him to enter the pain)      Lets be real   it is only a degree    when we think that it is over    There goes another onion peel
Oh God that one was deep    deeper than the last  The pain of knowing how bad we are while he surrounds us with his love and acceptance is really a humbling thing       we need these times     we are not to keen to judge each other after that       but stupid me     there goes another ring

I am releasing this to help others   knowing full well that I am putting myself out there for ridicule   

I can also deal with the spiritual backlash in the spirit realm as well

Thats another side      Thats why people get all uptight when arguing over posts etc     
Light pushes back darkness

Spiritual warefare is also  needed as those who try to pray stuff for you

especially those who have a religious spirit   

Ha ha ha   Oh lord     let him see     Bring him into truth    bla bla bla

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[c] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints—

Good to just get things off my chest     

Praise God    let it rip

The flesh needs to rip so the spirit can be free

anyway off to bed after a 12 hour nightshift

I will see you in a few more hours

Blessing of his presence on you guys and girls

Let angels be released around you today I ask in Jesus name

Angels of fire

Mark

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #99 on: Fri Mar 21, 2008 - 11:19:15 »
The true church, who still sought God and still walked in the gifts went underground, and has always been with us. 


I believe this statement is very true.  I don't think any of the 'gifts' ever died out or were done away with.  They just couldn't be done openly due to divisions or bad unions between church and state.

My old 91 year old grandmother told me of a few of her personal religious experiences that she never understood.  I asked her why she never attended a Pentecostal church or Church of God. She said 'Because I'm a Baptist'.  So, she really didn't know WHY she experienced what she did....but she did experience it.

So, I think the Holy Spirit moves a whole lot.....sometimes people just don't or can't talk about it.

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« Reply #100 on: Fri Mar 21, 2008 - 11:23:55 »
The true church, who still sought God and still walked in the gifts went underground, and has always been with us. 


I believe this statement is very true.  I don't think any of the 'gifts' ever died out or were done away with.  They just couldn't be done openly due to divisions or bad unions between church and state.

My old 91 year old grandmother told me of a few of her personal religious experiences that she never understood.  I asked her why she never attended a Pentecostal church or Church of God. She said 'Because I'm a Baptist'.  So, she really didn't know WHY she experienced what she did....but she did experience it.

So, I think the Holy Spirit moves a whole lot.....sometimes people just don't or can't talk about it.

I am a skeptical non-cessationist.  I don't believe the gifts died out.  I don't believe tongues are incoherent blather either. I don't believe in Holy Spirit:  ON DEMAND from Comcast Cable and I don't believe God is trapped in a box unable to use His power.

The gift of prophecy is more than being a fortune teller, it is about teaching and preaching.

The gift of tongues was to not be used in the corporate assembly unless there was an interpreter.  That prohibition is in God's Word, not the words of the State.

The true church is all those who are Christians, not just a select few that understand correctly about spiritual gifts.

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #101 on: Fri Mar 21, 2008 - 22:03:44 »

The gift of tongues was to not be used in the corporate assembly unless there was an interpreter.  That prohibition is in God's Word, not the words of the State.

The true church is all those who are Christians, not just a select few that understand correctly about spiritual gifts.

But if there IS an interpreter....then you feel it can be used in the church today?

I'm just asking....I'm not trying to be controversial.

I personally think ALL Christians have individual spiritual gifts.  They may not use them or be aware of them....but they have them.
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I also don't think spiritual gifts over-ride the fruit of the spirit.  We are to be known for our fruits....not our gifts.   It's when people get all high and mighty over their spiritual gifts that their fruit can rot will quick. There has to be an order and a balance in using spiritual gifts.

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #102 on: Fri Mar 21, 2008 - 22:44:40 »

The gift of tongues was to not be used in the corporate assembly unless there was an interpreter.  That prohibition is in God's Word, not the words of the State.

The true church is all those who are Christians, not just a select few that understand correctly about spiritual gifts.

But if there IS an interpreter....then you feel it can be used in the church today?

I'm just asking....I'm not trying to be controversial.

I personally think ALL Christians have individual spiritual gifts.  They may not use them or be aware of them....but they have them.
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I also don't think spiritual gifts over-ride the fruit of the spirit.  We are to be known for our fruits....not our gifts.   It's when people get all high and mighty over their spiritual gifts that their fruit can rot will quick. There has to be an order and a balance in using spiritual gifts.

I don't buy that the gifts have ceased because I don't believe "that which is perfect" is the canonization of the bible.  So I have to go with what the bible says.

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Re: Ask a pentecostal
« Reply #103 on: Fri Mar 21, 2008 - 23:39:59 »
I agree with your statement "I don't believe "that which is perfect" is the canonization of the bible." I don't know whether the gifts has ceased though but thin it possible because Paul is on record saying that they would it could be he meant that they would when we get to heaven but I just think he meant something else because it seems to me that if they were to continue until heaven they would have been no need to say they would cease.I know that there are gifts today but not necessarily the ones in question it seems to me they are few and far between and could likely have been set aside. There is good thoughts on both sides of the fence and I have no set in stone theory. One thing that I do know is that God can and will do as he sees fit.

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« Reply #104 on: Sat Mar 22, 2008 - 10:47:05 »

The gift of tongues was to not be used in the corporate assembly unless there was an interpreter.  That prohibition is in God's Word, not the words of the State.

The true church is all those who are Christians, not just a select few that understand correctly about spiritual gifts.

But if there IS an interpreter....then you feel it can be used in the church today?

I'm just asking....I'm not trying to be controversial.

I personally think ALL Christians have individual spiritual gifts.  They may not use them or be aware of them....but they have them.
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I also don't think spiritual gifts over-ride the fruit of the spirit.  We are to be known for our fruits....not our gifts.   It's when people get all high and mighty over their spiritual gifts that their fruit can rot will quick. There has to be an order and a balance in using spiritual gifts.

I don't buy that the gifts have ceased because I don't believe "that which is perfect" is the canonization of the bible.  So I have to go with what the bible says.

I don't think the canonization of the Bible has anything to do with it either.  What man has chosen or not chosen to canonize certainly has no effect on what God does period.  Man could have only one page of Malachi left over and  God will still do what He wants to do and what He always does.