Ask a pentecostal

[bemark]

I have felt the wind and also fire     

You have to understand one thing    start to show up

When you are going into the spirit like that      Or the spirit is comming upon you like that         let them come     

Its great    but there is also a backlash   as the Devil try to shut it down

The blood and the cross will get you through    heaps of repentance

Light exposes darkness

Look

5 Now the LORD descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, 7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.”
8 So Moses made haste and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped. 9 Then he said, “If now I have found grace in Your sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray, go among us, even though we are a stiff-necked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us as Your inheritance.”


we are a  stiff-necked people


And
Isaiah 6 (New King James Version)


 

Isaiah 6
Isaiah Called to Be a Prophet
 1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. 2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one cried to another and said:

      “ Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts;
      The whole earth is full of His glory!”

 4 And the posts of the door were shaken by the voice of him who cried out, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 So I said:


      “ Woe is me, for I am undone!
      Because I am a man of unclean lips,
      And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips;
      For my eyes have seen the King,
      The LORD of hosts.”



Woe is me for I am undone

Start to experience God in his Power like that    and we will all be repenting

But left wanting more     Your love for him just explodes

Turn it up     Bring it on   The reality of his kingdom to earth

[bemark]

 Our Father in heaven,
      Hallowed be Your name.
       10 Your kingdom come.
      Your will be done
      On earth as it is in heaven.
       11 Give us this day our daily bread.
       12 And forgive us our debts,
      As we forgive our debtors.
       13 And do not lead us into temptation,
      But deliver us from the evil one.
      For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.[c]


7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write,
‘These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”:[c] 8 “I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it;[


His Kingdom is breaking through    Praise  the Lord

[kensington]

I would respond to this .... the word says,  That "quench not the spirit, for this is the will of God"..

But, it seems as time went by, and MEN became the authority in pious admiration of themselves, they needed not to seek the Holy Spirit and the gifts, for they believed they had all the answers. They had the robes, the hats and the religious pious answers to all they sought, so they did not seek to be filled or to walk in the gifts as so many seek to do today... today, to say you are part of a religion is not enough, people are seeking God Himself, and being filled, and speaking in tongues, receiving gifts and using them for the building up of the body of Christ.

That is why the Catholics were so quick to label Luther a heretic and to even put a price on his head to be murdered.  That confuses me also, the Pope at the time, ordered him killed. Very Christian.  Because he believed and wanted the church to get back to seeking the face of God, the Holy Spirit and His guiding and all that would come with that, including gifts and infilling. So... they sought to kill him.

But, I do not believe the story that the Church is that church at all, I believe that version that speaks of the SPLIT that came when the word Catholic came on the scene and the church was united with government in Rome. The true church, who still sought God and still walked in the gifts went underground, and has always been with us. 

[bemark]

I would respond to this .... the word says,  That "quench not the spirit, for this is the will of God"..

But, it seems as time went by, and MEN became the authority in pious admiration of themselves, they needed not to seek the Holy Spirit and the gifts, for they believed they had all the answers. They had the robes, the hats and the religious pious answers to all they sought, so they did not seek to be filled or to walk in the gifts as so many seek to do today... today, to say you are part of a religion is not enough, people are seeking God Himself, and being filled, and speaking in tongues, receiving gifts and using them for the building up of the body of Christ.

That is why the Catholics were so quick to label Luther a heretic and to even put a price on his head to be murdered.  That confuses me also, the Pope at the time, ordered him killed. Very Christian.  Because he believed and wanted the church to get back to seeking the face of God, the Holy Spirit and His guiding and all that would come with that, including gifts and infilling. So... they sought to kill him.

But, I do not believe the story that the Church is that church at all, I believe that version that speaks of the SPLIT that came when the word Catholic came on the scene and the church was united with government in Rome. The true church, who still sought God and still walked in the gifts went underground, and has always been with us. 

[Belinda]

I appreciate this thread and your patience.  What did it feel like to have the Holy Spirit baptism?  Is it like the wind moving into you?  Does the wind itself feel good? 

[bemark]

I appreciate this thread and your patience.  What did it feel like to have the Holy Spirit baptism?  Is it like the wind moving into you?  Does the wind itself feel good? 

The wind feels like wind  moving under my shirt  It can even feel like a invisible pillow pushing you    I normally feel it while praying or worshiping   I know at that time a release of his breath has just come into the room giving life

Fire    gets hot    hot on head    body       Not really sore hot    but burns 

no pain    but there has been many times when the crunching ( birthing ) has been so intense that for days my stomach muscles have been sore
Guys do birth    Elijah    You start to gasp and pant like a women in labour

There are even times when you start to release the wind through your mouth    The Holy Spirit just does it   You don't Think   I'm going to blow now

No no no   I have given myself to the Holy Spirit    and said to Him
use me any way that you feel like it    I don't care as much now to the manifestations that happen around my life   Because if I pull back then I don't encounter him as much     I would rather be a fool for him and encounter him than have my pride and miss out.I had to come to this decision a few years ago.

And when his weight started to come at the early stages    I was thinking  God I cant handle this force  He then slightly lifted it
You have to understand   you cant even talk at times like this
But when comming into a  place like this   I keep saying   more Holy Spirit   more Lord

He comes like the waves     set after set   the next stronger than the first
another low then bang  more and more

I have learnt that    the spiritual atmosphere rips and what is in heaven evades our earth      Strategic praying   etc   spiritual  Gates doors or portals opening    By staying in this place you can open up the realm even more

You allow youself to become the channel to release his kingdom to earth

I have felt it through my clothes    Different than when you feel his Holy Spirit moving through you like vibrations or waves of pure love and joy


His wind can physically moves you around    different than the weight of God that also comes upon     My be the weight and wind are very similar but with the weight     you just start to bow down under it     and if he keep comming you will end up on the floor    That feels like   The hand of God is pressing down on you    even feels like you are pushed into the carpet floor


I see it also as angels comming in   It could be angels moving me around   or there wings making the wind

Some of my friends see angels when this starts to happen in the spirit

I don't see the angels like they see them   but I can feel them

Still trying to figure it all out     no problems   I like it

I always feel the total love acceptance and joy of God while in these places and come out feeling so radically changed
There is also a place in intercession that when praying for people     you can actually feel there pain  and you pray to God that way   as well

A good place to pray from     Releasing     Praying for others    You come under the weight of it and then release it to Christ

 You ask God to then release healing into them

Also for spiritual warefare     Same thing

You then are the one who is standing in the gap for there behalf    going to Christ      They would probably have gone as well   but when two show up

They do put more to flight.

Its all good    I love It        And after encounters like the above

Revelation starts to unfold    You start to dream and see more in the spirit etc

A gatekeeper releasing His Kingdom to earth


Look most of this stuff is caught not taught

The more you go in the faster it gets

It all feels so cool

Its all in the word       hidden

Every dream etc will be in the word    above all get understanding


let it rip



Mark

[Belinda]

Thank you, Mark, for opening yourself up and sharing your experiences.  I think it helps us to understand.  Have you ever had the wind or spirit come to you when you were not praying or in worship?

[GloryB]

I've never understood why this was a controversial subject.   In the years I was an unbeliever....I was never slain in the spirit or spoke in tongues.  People Do admit this was in the early church.  So, we know at least at SOME point this was from God.

So, if someone goes to God and asked to be baptised in the Holy Spirit and they get evidence of this....whatever that evidence may be....then why would this even be remotely connected with the works of the devil or some heretic act?

I'm not suggesting people HAVE to do it.....I'm just saying they CAN. 

[bemark]

Thank you, Mark, for opening yourself up and sharing your experiences.  I think it helps us to understand.  Have you ever had the wind or spirit come to you when you were not praying or in worship?

No not the wind  nor the other ones like the fire  but thinking about him and you are off    It can become that quick   but I have felt his presence   You can pick up when there is someone praying for you     And maybe he just wants to be close   If you just stay pressed in   you can feel him all the time.

He has never freaked me out in that way    normally I can feel his presence fist        His presence is so nice    Sometimes he cloaks you just before something nasty comes your way    He knows and gives you extra supplies for the journey ahead     He never said this life would be easy   but he did say he will never leave us or forsake us.

The only thing is    after a prayer meeting or strong church meeting   I cant get to sleep until past midnight  and I have to get up at 4.00am

But I would rather have him and little sleep than be without   he knows that

I mean your entire body soul spirit is so alive   buzzing
I like those times when just lying in bed and being with him
One of the most enjoyable moments    just you and him
John 17    him in you you in him etc     weaving yourselves together as one

There are just so many angles levels or faces to him    I cant really put it into words    changes in the anointing    ?

GloryB   you are right

Many have been looking for a Devil in it

Many have found God in it   

And you are right    you don't have to enter up to your head   if you don't want to     He doesn't force his wine into your mouth    you choice to drink or not

He is always the  perfect gentleman   never goes where he is not wanted and meets us were we are     because he just so wants to be with us 

I think he is happy either way       meditating on him while reading the word
allowing gratitude to spring forth within us

To banging through you with realms of Glory

I like the two     And if I can know him in all    then I will

In my suffering      has been one of the closest that I have felt him
In the breaking        another side of him that he allows you to see and know him      and       you allow him to know you  ( allow him to enter the pain)      Lets be real   it is only a degree    when we think that it is over    There goes another onion peel
Oh God that one was deep    deeper than the last  The pain of knowing how bad we are while he surrounds us with his love and acceptance is really a humbling thing       we need these times     we are not to keen to judge each other after that       but stupid me     there goes another ring

I am releasing this to help others   knowing full well that I am putting myself out there for ridicule   

I can also deal with the spiritual backlash in the spirit realm as well

Thats another side      Thats why people get all uptight when arguing over posts etc     
Light pushes back darkness

Spiritual warefare is also  needed as those who try to pray stuff for you

especially those who have a religious spirit   

Ha ha ha   Oh lord     let him see     Bring him into truth    bla bla bla

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[c] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints—

Good to just get things off my chest     

Praise God    let it rip

The flesh needs to rip so the spirit can be free

anyway off to bed after a 12 hour nightshift

I will see you in a few more hours

Blessing of his presence on you guys and girls

Let angels be released around you today I ask in Jesus name

Angels of fire

Mark

[GloryB]

The true church, who still sought God and still walked in the gifts went underground, and has always been with us. 

I believe this statement is very true.  I don't think any of the 'gifts' ever died out or were done away with.  They just couldn't be done openly due to divisions or bad unions between church and state.

My old 91 year old grandmother told me of a few of her personal religious experiences that she never understood.  I asked her why she never attended a Pentecostal church or Church of God. She said 'Because I'm a Baptist'.  So, she really didn't know WHY she experienced what she did....but she did experience it.

So, I think the Holy Spirit moves a whole lot.....sometimes people just don't or can't talk about it.

[Bocephus]

The true church, who still sought God and still walked in the gifts went underground, and has always been with us. 

I believe this statement is very true.  I don't think any of the 'gifts' ever died out or were done away with.  They just couldn't be done openly due to divisions or bad unions between church and state.

My old 91 year old grandmother told me of a few of her personal religious experiences that she never understood.  I asked her why she never attended a Pentecostal church or Church of God. She said 'Because I'm a Baptist'.  So, she really didn't know WHY she experienced what she did....but she did experience it.

So, I think the Holy Spirit moves a whole lot.....sometimes people just don't or can't talk about it.

I am a skeptical non-cessationist.  I don't believe the gifts died out.  I don't believe tongues are incoherent blather either. I don't believe in Holy Spirit:  ON DEMAND from Comcast Cable and I don't believe God is trapped in a box unable to use His power.

The gift of prophecy is more than being a fortune teller, it is about teaching and preaching.

The gift of tongues was to not be used in the corporate assembly unless there was an interpreter.  That prohibition is in God's Word, not the words of the State.

The true church is all those who are Christians, not just a select few that understand correctly about spiritual gifts.

[GloryB]

The gift of tongues was to not be used in the corporate assembly unless there was an interpreter.  That prohibition is in God's Word, not the words of the State.

The true church is all those who are Christians, not just a select few that understand correctly about spiritual gifts.

But if there IS an interpreter....then you feel it can be used in the church today?

I'm just asking....I'm not trying to be controversial.

I personally think ALL Christians have individual spiritual gifts.  They may not use them or be aware of them....but they have them.
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I also don't think spiritual gifts over-ride the fruit of the spirit.  We are to be known for our fruits....not our gifts.   It's when people get all high and mighty over their spiritual gifts that their fruit can rot will quick. There has to be an order and a balance in using spiritual gifts.

[Bocephus]

The gift of tongues was to not be used in the corporate assembly unless there was an interpreter.  That prohibition is in God's Word, not the words of the State.

The true church is all those who are Christians, not just a select few that understand correctly about spiritual gifts.

But if there IS an interpreter....then you feel it can be used in the church today?

I'm just asking....I'm not trying to be controversial.

I personally think ALL Christians have individual spiritual gifts.  They may not use them or be aware of them....but they have them.
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I also don't think spiritual gifts over-ride the fruit of the spirit.  We are to be known for our fruits....not our gifts.   It's when people get all high and mighty over their spiritual gifts that their fruit can rot will quick. There has to be an order and a balance in using spiritual gifts.

I don't buy that the gifts have ceased because I don't believe "that which is perfect" is the canonization of the bible.  So I have to go with what the bible says.

[yogi bear]

I agree with your statement "I don't believe "that which is perfect" is the canonization of the bible." I don't know whether the gifts has ceased though but thin it possible because Paul is on record saying that they would it could be he meant that they would when we get to heaven but I just think he meant something else because it seems to me that if they were to continue until heaven they would have been no need to say they would cease.I know that there are gifts today but not necessarily the ones in question it seems to me they are few and far between and could likely have been set aside. There is good thoughts on both sides of the fence and I have no set in stone theory. One thing that I do know is that God can and will do as he sees fit.

[GloryB]

The gift of tongues was to not be used in the corporate assembly unless there was an interpreter.  That prohibition is in God's Word, not the words of the State.

The true church is all those who are Christians, not just a select few that understand correctly about spiritual gifts.

But if there IS an interpreter....then you feel it can be used in the church today?

I'm just asking....I'm not trying to be controversial.

I personally think ALL Christians have individual spiritual gifts.  They may not use them or be aware of them....but they have them.
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I also don't think spiritual gifts over-ride the fruit of the spirit.  We are to be known for our fruits....not our gifts.   It's when people get all high and mighty over their spiritual gifts that their fruit can rot will quick. There has to be an order and a balance in using spiritual gifts.

I don't buy that the gifts have ceased because I don't believe "that which is perfect" is the canonization of the bible.  So I have to go with what the bible says.

I don't think the canonization of the Bible has anything to do with it either.  What man has chosen or not chosen to canonize certainly has no effect on what God does period.  Man could have only one page of Malachi left over and  God will still do what He wants to do and what He always does.