Ask a pentecostal

[88]

Perhaps if it could be proved, it wouldn't be a miracle of faith but of sight?   Limbs growing back, spinal cords fused, Poked out eyes reappear.   Those would make the front page news and God would get some serious credit.  Maybe He isn't interested in getting any credit and leaves all that for the miracle workers?

I couldn't quite tell if you were being serious or sarastic.  But in case you were being serious, all I can say is that all the Biblical miracles were oustanding ones.  Miracles that were undeniable and obvious to all who observed them.  The seas parting, manna  appearring daily, water turning into wine, blind men seeing, lepers being healed, paralytics being healed, people with withered hands being straightened (hence why I asked about amputees and deformities), a fig tree withering and dying instantly  etc.  If God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow then I expect the miracles to be the same. Yet today, with all the hoo ha of the Pentecostal church and some others, it's always things like:

Bad back.

Migraine

Vague and  generalised non specific pain.

etc.

Things that cannot be seen or verified by anyone.

And here are some more questions for "Ask a Pentecostal".

Why do Pentecostal church leaders proclaim so many "prophecies" whilst offering a disclaimer that "prophets" in the NT do not have to be 100 % accurate (more like 5% of what I've observed) unlike the prophets in the OT?  Which of course has no Biblical basis whatsoever.

Why do Pentecostal  churches engage in wild and ridiculous behaviours such as "drunk in the spirit" and "holy laughter" and generally rolling around the floor, all on the basis of the scripture in the Book of Acts that some observers of the disciples at Pentecost mistook them for being "drunk?"

Why do Pentecostals blame such things as birth defects, deformities, homosexual/transgendered family members as resulting from "sin" from the parents or other family member, or some "generational curse?"

These are all valid questions I've asked in this  post and my previous one.  They are valid because they're all things I've seen, heard and experienced in Pentecostal churches over a decade.  And in many types of Pentecostal churches, from small ones to mega church ones.

My hit prediction.  You will be unable to answer my questions or be too embaressed to do so.

[bemark]

Whats so wrong with being drunk in the Holy Spirit and rolling around on the floor 88  ?

[88]

Whats so wrong with being drunk in the Holy Spirit and rolling around on the floor 88  ?

You are kidding, right?  Please tell me that's not a serious question.  In case it is, have a look at this and you tell me what's wrong with it?:

[bemark]

so if it wasn't the Holy Spirit then what spirit was it?

[88]

so if it wasn't the Holy Spirit then what spirit was it?

Who cares?  Firstly, this is not of God.  Secondly, who cares if it's mass hysteria or something else?  It's sheer stupidity. 

Do you really endorse this total nonsense and dismiss it as nothing?

[bemark]

By your remark    you do care  and  you don't really know    and then you say it isn't God


And then you call what you don't know sheer stupidity and a whole lot of nonsense



And you definitely got one of the most outrageous video's  to discredit all Holy Ghost laughter and manifestations
I have seen a whole lot of manifestations in my time and have experienced them as well 
The soul can react to the spirit    and Demons can rise to the surface and need to be cast out


The dog collar and howling like a wolf was just crazy in my opinion      I would feel uncomfortable in that meeting   as I saw it as a willfull choice to carry it out

   
One or more fake ones should not discredit what is from God            and you do get all sorts happening in a Holy Ghost service


  

[88]

By your remark    you do care  and  you don't really know    and then you say it isn't God


And then you call what you don't know sheer stupidity and a whole lot of nonsense



And you definitely got one of the most outrageous video's  to discredit all Holy Ghost laughter and manifestations
I have seen a whole lot of manifestations in my time and have experienced them as well 
The soul can react to the spirit    and Demons can rise to the surface and need to be cast out


The dog collar and howling like a wolf was just crazy in my opinion      I would feel uncomfortable in that meeting   as I saw it as a willfull choice to carry it out

   
One or more fake ones should not discredit what is from God            and you do get all sorts happening in a Holy Ghost service


  
That video wasn't "fake".  And when you say "...the soul  can rise to the spirit and demons can rise to the surface...."  Huh??  What on earth are you talking about?  This just sounds like typical super spiritual Pentecostal made up gibberish.  The same kind of gibberish as "busting the heavens" and "anointing fires" and all the other super creepy pseudo spiritual hoo ha that is so typical of  Pentecostal weirdos.

Dude, you need some serious de-programming.

[bemark]

What am I talking about       stuff that you may not  have any experience with   


I know the video wasn't  "fake"        but like you I do doubt that it was the Holy Spirit in all of it  so what spirit was it  or was it just there soulish issues rising to the surface


They made a willful choice to put a dog collar on him    and a willfull choice to howl like a wolf

so lets leave that video out for the next few lines     

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Its all about when the Kingdom that comes upon  that people love or hate       That's when things get intresting

Busting the heavens is very simple    Its using the Kingdom within to release the Kingdom that comes upon     You have to tarry for that authority    This shifts the spiritual climate    where there is demonic resistance limiting the presence of God

You go into the spirit and take dominion and release the Kingdom of God that comes upon      First you have to do it around your own life before you can step into a coroperate setting and release it in there   

Its your authority in the spirit realm that is recognised when you step into that place


When you have that authority you can start to release what is in heaven to earth    The Joy or laughter is the provision from the Lord in heavenly places coming to earth to shift mindsets and break of depression   It is also a supernatural strength that is deposited into a believers life that they never had before   You have to get it in the spirit 

Our father who art in heaven   ........... They kingdom come thy will be done on earth  As It Is In HEAVEN


The devil hates it so discredits it by trying to cause problems     and demons do rise up to the surface that have to be dealt with      soulish issues have to be repented off as well

The religious spirit that doesn't go in and hinders those who are entering  is one of the most devastating ones out there limiting the power of God  flowing to earth     

[Tu Es Petrus]

so if it wasn't the Holy Spirit then what spirit was it?

Possibly self-delusion.

[bemark]

so if it wasn't the Holy Spirit then what spirit was it?

Possibly self-delusion.

From the soul   or a spirit of deception ?

[princessofgod]

That video wasn't "fake".  And when you say "...the soul  can rise to the spirit and demons can rise to the surface...."  Huh??  What on earth are you talking about?  This just sounds like typical super spiritual Pentecostal made up gibberish.  The same kind of gibberish as "busting the heavens" and "anointing fires" and all the other super creepy pseudo spiritual hoo ha that is so typical of  Pentecostal weirdos.

Dude, you need some serious de-programming.

I am new to this christian forum, but when I read something like this, with words like dude, than I get scared of it. So I see it, this is a thread where you have to be polite...I mean we are all christians, right!? I guess, we are....and we are all adults, i guess.....so we can talk about topics in a serious and polite way.

And with the things you tell here you affect not only one person, you affect lots of christians...your brothers and sisters i guess, right!?

So be nicer, please 

and I think that this discussion will lead to nothing...

[princessofgod]

Can anybody tell me what is the difference between pentecostal church and charismatic church? My homechurch is a charismatic church, but the church I was in the last year (I moved for one year) is a pentecostal church and the only difference I saw was, that the pentecostal church was more conservative...but I think it also depends on in what pentecostal church you are in,

 so finally: what is the difference?

[Tu Es Petrus]

Can anybody tell me what is the difference between pentecostal church and charismatic church? My homechurch is a charismatic church, but the church I was in the last year (I moved for one year) is a pentecostal church and the only difference I saw was, that the pentecostal church was more conservative...but I think it also depends on in what pentecostal church you are in,

 so finally: what is the difference?

I think "Pentacostal" is an actual denomination, whereas there are many denominations that have charismatic movements within them. There are Charismatic Catholics too.

[princessofgod]

Thanks I know.
Only for example my church is a charismatic church...not bpatist charismatic, cathlic charismatic or etc...
more like pentecostal...in there are a lot of churches which are "only" charismatic churches... maybe it is really kind of the same 

thanks for your answer 

[Charley]

I've attended a Pentecostal church in Central America.  The service was basically the same as a non-denominational type service here in the States.  A few songs, a message with an alter call (though not everytime), some prayer and a few more songs.  It was only when they had a special speaker that I saw someone put their hands on anothers head - then that someone sort of fell backwards.  They stood right back up and kept praying.  They didn't stay on the floor rolling around, etc.  I took it to be symbolic of dying with Christ.  They did have water baptism as well.