Baptism in the Spirit

[Jimmy]

 Born Again and I did an "altar call" and received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit on the SAME day!! Wild, huh?   We don't know each other...

Elaine and Born Again, good to hear you received the Holy Spirit.

Every person who has been saved under the New Covenant has received the Holy Spirit.  That is what Acts 2:38 is all about.

1Co 12:13  For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Rom 8:9  You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Rom 8:10  But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11  If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.


1Co 6:11  And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Gal 3:14  so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

And it has nothing to do with speaking in tngues, prophesying or any other gift of working miracles.

[fenton]

Jimmy
I believe they were speaking of being baptised in the Holly Spirit, of course every one recieves the Spirit of God in them when they ask Christ into there heart.

some times words get tuned around 

God Bless you Brother 

[Jimmy]

Jimmy
I believe they were speaking of being baptised in the Holly Spirit, of course every one recieves the Spirit of God in them when they ask Christ into there heart.

some times words get tuned around  

God Bless you Brother  

Yes they do, don't they?

That is what baptism in the Holy Spirit is; it is the giving of the indwelling Holy Spirit.  1 Corinthians 12 :13 could not be more clear.  From chapter 12, one may have this gift, another may have another gift,  but "we are all baptized into one body by the Holy Spirit."  The irony of ironies is that so many think that what happened to the apostles in Acts 2:4 is baptism in the Spirit.  It isn't.  Baptism in the Holy Spirit is what happened to all those who responded according to Acts 2:38.  There are no special powers endowed by the baptism in the Holy Spirit.  That also seems plain enough from reading 1 Corinthians 12.  But the baptism in the Holy Spirit brings something far more wonderful and marvelous. namely salvation.  

[Elaine]

I have no problem with that, Jim.  :)   

[fenton]

Jimmy

are you talking about the Holy Spirit the comforter or as Christ's Spirit dwelling in us when we ask Him into our heart upon salvation?

[Jimmy]

Jimmy

are you talking about the Holy Spirit the comforter or as Christ's Spirit dwelling in us when we ask Him into our heart upon salvation?

I am talking about the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, the third person of the Trinity.

[fenton]

My bad a play on words again…  baptism and filling!!!  Some times I get ahead of myself Jimmy I apologize.

 But… Jesus Christ is our salvation John 3:16.

The difference between the baptism of the Holy Spirit verses the filling of the Spirit?

                Baptism of The Spirit    --    Verses      --       Filling Of The Spirit
                                 Seals The Saved - Reveals The Savior
                           Converts The Sinner - Helps The Saved by Conviction
                           Instant At Salvation - Constant For Sanctification
                                     Gives New Life - Gives Renewed Living
                       Righteousness Imputed - Righteousness Imparted

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a work that is additional to the work of salvation... it is the very evidence of one's salvation. While the filling of the Spirit (Ephesians 5:18) is the evidence of one's sanctification.
As a Christian grows in their relationship with Christ, they find themselves increasingly compelled for the fullness of the Spirit. The key to realizing the fullness of the Spirit is a sound study of God's Word and prayer.

Joh 14:26  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Act 10:44  While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45  And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46  For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Act 19:6  And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

[Jimmy]

My bad a play on words again…  baptism and filling!!!  Some times I get ahead of myself Jimmy I apologize.

 But… Jesus Christ is our salvation John 3:16.

The difference between the baptism of the Holy Spirit verses the filling of the Spirit?

                Baptism of The Spirit    --    Verses      --       Filling Of The Spirit
                                 Seals The Saved - Reveals The Savior
                           Converts The Sinner - Helps The Saved by Conviction
                           Instant At Salvation - Constant For Sanctification
                                     Gives New Life - Gives Renewed Living
                       Righteousness Imputed - Righteousness Imparted

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a work that is additional to the work of salvation... it is the very evidence of one's salvation. While the filling of the Spirit (Ephesians 5:18) is the evidence of one's sanctification.
As a Christian grows in their relationship with Christ, they find themselves increasingly compelled for the fullness of the Spirit. The key to realizing the fullness of the Spirit is a sound study of God's Word and prayer.

Joh 14:26  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Act 10:44  While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45  And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46  For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Act 19:6  And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Both Acts 10:44 and Acts 19:6 record the giving of the Holy Spirit for supernatural empowering for the working of miracles, e.g, speaking in tongues and prophesying.  Such empowering is not uncommon in the OT or the NT.  But in neither the OT nor the NT does it relate to salvation and the indwelling (baptism) of the Holy Spirit.

[janine]

I'll believe it's the actual manifesting action of the indwelling Third Person of the Triune God, when I hear an intelligible language.  Even a "tongue" of angels -- and I wish we'd stop with this "tongue" business, the average Western English-speaker needs to translate that "languages", that's all it is -- anyway, even a language of angels is a language.

Until then, it's simply glossolalia, which ecstatic Hindus and Muslims and Buddhists all also do at times.

I'm not trying to put God in a box or predict what He will do.  He is God.

I'm just saying, "speaking in tongues" is super-easy to fake, whether on purpose or because an ectstatic excited person gets up from the keyboard of his own mind and allows something else to sit down there.  I guess you have to hope it's God taking over when you throw away the mastery of your own mind.

Maybe in a context like this one, I might understand a modern-day manifestation of an outpouring of the Spirit of God.  I guess it would depend on whether or not Leonard was finger-spelling and signing actual words   But, anyway, as I said, I'd never be so egotistical as to think the Creator has to flow in some way that pleases me.

I kinda like the way Mark Lowry puts it, especially about minute 3 of that link. 

But, I have to say, some unmistakable pointed impossible-to-fake successful prophecies, or a few thoroughly dead people getting up and bringing their own funerals to a screeching halt, would be more useful than glossolalia, as an unmistakable unshakable witness.

Unless the practitioner esteems the tongue-speaking merely only simply for how it makes him feel, rather than for its witness-of-God to the outsider.

[fenton]

janine
I guess being raised reading  the word tongues in the Bible I never would have thought to call it language!

1Co 14:18  I thank my God, I speak with tongues (language) more than ye all:

1Co 13:1  Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

1Co 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Jud 1:20  But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

I have no problem praying in the Spirit.

[walker starr]

janine,

I'm curious - so do you not pray in tongues?

GOD Bless,
Walker

[fenton]

janine

when God gave me the gift of speaking in tongues I was in a discipleship camp scared to death with stuff going all around me that I new nothing about. I prayed for protection while I was praying for His guidance.

When I was filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in tongues I new it was from God. It was the most peace I had felt in a long time, the life I was living I new little peace.

If you believe it is letting someone or something taking over my mind I don't know what to tell you.

For my faith is in my Lord Jesus Christ that His Word says that He has given me a gift to communicate directly with Him.

[Lifesaver]

Every person who has been saved under the New Covenant has received the Holy Spirit.  That is what Acts 2:38 is all about.

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Jimmy

If everyone had to be saved first before they received the Holy Spirit, how do they become eligible to first be 'saved', without first having the Holy Spirin.  Which comes first  - the chicken or the egg?

I believe it would be impossible to be saved without the Spiriit of God in you.  As God said " If you do not have my Spirit in you, you are none of mine ..".  Otherwise the whole of sinning mankind would be condemned with no hope of ever getting near God ... and that is not what God wants.

From my experience I can say the Holy Spirit is accessible to anyone who  "activates" his/her communication line with the Holy Spirit.  Like your credit card, if you do not first activate it you cannot use the card to purchase goods.  So if you do not activate your communication line with the Holy Spirit you cannot enjoy His fruits.

Lifesaver

[Elaine]

Excellent post, Lifesaver, I'm glad you're around. :)

[janine]

Lord Jesus redeemed all mankind in that little rescue He pulled off between Golgotha and that garden tomb.  There's no need for any more or different working of the Spirit to make people any more eligible than the blood-price, already paid, makes them.

I can see that obvious manifestations of the power of God's Spirit -- doing something fantastic to get His message across and grab the unbeliever's attention -- I can see how y'all would not equate that with the process or mechanism or state of "being saved".  Neither do I.  Because, after all, if someone accurately prophesying or perhaps speaking a language they never could before -- if that equals being saved, then Balaam's ass will be in Heaven with us.

I have "spoken in tongues" before, too --  Lovely for y'all if it thrills you, but I have to say no one has ever done it in my presence and had it actually fit what Paul was talking to the Corinthians about.  It's interesting that the one manifestation of the Spirit that most people perform with abandon is the one most easily faked or done through human will and self-persuasion.  If there's some corpses come back to rosy life and some withered limbs and born-blind eyes being restored, that's the ticket.  There you have some stuff that the blazing fire of the Spirit will accomplish with no ambiguity.