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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #35 on: Thu Feb 04, 2016 - 08:21:32 »
How can an evil sprit dwell where the Holy Spirit calls home? No sir, the born again cannot be possessed with an evil spirit. The believer can be oppressed by evil spirits but not possessed.

Again with the term "possession."   That implies ownership; and there is only one case of that in the bible which is acts 16.

The thought process behind that reasoning fails to take into account 2 facts: 1 - we are bought with a price (Messiah's blood) and 2 - we are dealing with spirits here which have no physical form or substance. It is almost like they exist in a separate dimension and can only interact with us thru being attached in some way. (demonized)

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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #36 on: Thu Feb 04, 2016 - 08:33:19 »
What was it like?

Casting out a demon?  It was not that big a deal.  They are NOT something to be feared. You just gotta know your authority in HIM.

That was a long time ago and I have learned a lot since then.  There are a few instances where now I would approach it differently. I would have not been so spur-of-the-moment; invested more time in prep before the deliverance and more time of support afterwards.

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« Reply #37 on: Thu Feb 04, 2016 - 08:41:21 »
I agree, they shouldn't be feared but in a way respected.

What was your first time like? How did it play out?

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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #38 on: Thu Feb 04, 2016 - 09:06:45 »
What was your first time like? How did it play out?

Sorry.  I don't really remember it.  It was either in jr high or high school. And that was over 40 years ago.

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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #39 on: Thu Feb 04, 2016 - 22:26:33 »
Pope Ben said that we are moving towards a Dictatorship of Relativism witch does not recognise anything as definitive and has as it's highest value one's own ego and one's own desires.
The Church needs to withstand the tides of trends and the latest novelties.

Is that because a people are being possessed, or just lead astray ?

A person said to be possessed ?
Now I know of two people who are Christians and are fine to talk about Christ but if one speaks on the subject too long, then they snap and start ranting, evil thoughts come out of them and then they do not want to talk about God anymore but, just be a twit.
It's just like a switch in their head goes off all of a sudden.

Now I would say I know nothing truly about mental illness but both are on the mental pension.
Possession how it takes a hold of a person could be many ways.
Maybe being lead into temptation is a doorway for temptation, TV media etc could work to lead one astray.

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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #40 on: Fri Feb 05, 2016 - 15:25:55 »
Question: Wasn't Saul possessed? When he fell by disobedience, the Scriptures says the Spirit of the LORD left him, and an evil spirit from the Lord came into him. Isn't that possession?

No - he was not owned by the demon.  It attached itself to him and left when David sang/played worship songs.

That is better described as "demonized."


Saul is an example of being possessed in the flesh, not full possession.

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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #41 on: Fri Feb 05, 2016 - 15:31:01 »
Pope Ben said that we are moving towards a Dictatorship of Relativism witch does not recognise anything as definitive and has as it's highest value one's own ego and one's own desires.
The Church needs to withstand the tides of trends and the latest novelties.

Is that because a people are being possessed, or just lead astray ?

A person said to be possessed ?
Now I know of two people who are Christians and are fine to talk about Christ but if one speaks on the subject too long, then they snap and start ranting, evil thoughts come out of them and then they do not want to talk about God anymore but, just be a twit.
It's just like a switch in their head goes off all of a sudden.

Now I would say I know nothing truly about mental illness but both are on the mental pension.
Possession how it takes a hold of a person could be many ways.
Maybe being lead into temptation is a doorway for temptation, TV media etc could work to lead one astray.


I used to work in law enforcement in a county jail, and it astonished me how many people were brought in on "odd" behavior that were "diagnosed" as having one form of mental illness or another, when in actuality it seemed like they were possessed, not mental. Yet we read in the Gospels where demon possession can cause symptoms like various diseases, such as epilepsy, blindness, and other seemingly physical ailments (the hunchback woman in the synagogue, for example).

Demon possession does NOT always show itself in people levitating and crawling up walls defying gravity...some theologians who are also physicians have even made a case for some cases of homosexuality being caused by demon possession...but not all, obviously.

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« Reply #42 on: Fri Feb 05, 2016 - 15:41:04 »
Swordmaster,could you explain what you mean by one being possessed in the flesh? Also, do you have any actual experience dealing with demons?

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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #43 on: Fri Feb 05, 2016 - 15:52:08 »
Swordmaster,could you explain what you mean by one being possessed in the flesh? Also, do you have any actual experience dealing with demons?


Sure...I have known people who were saved, but had "something" going on inside them that they just couldn't control and that nothing they did (such as spending a good deal of time in prayer) seemed to help. I remember this one girl I had known for years had come to Christ and was part of a good church, but then went off and strayed and began having sex outside of marriage. One reason why God says not to do this is because when two people have sex they become one (spiritually or however you might want to describe it) just as the Scriptures teach..."the two shall become one."

When a person unites with another person, if that person is possessed it gives the demon access to both of them, for they are now one flesh. We should hold out for the person God sends to us and spend enough time with that person to get to really know them, so that these kinds of things don't happen. Anyway, I think she got something from this guy she had been with, because after that point any time someone around her would begin speaking about God or Jesus, suddenly this uncontrollable anger would come flooding over her that she couldn't control, she even growled one time. She almost couldn't stand to remain in worship service most of the time and she couldn't figure out why.

To answer your second question, yes. I have had numerous encounters with demons and demonic activity, and actually cast the demon out of the girl I described above. My experience began with my mother re-marrying a man whose daughter was dabbling in witchcraft. Because of that, we had regular instances of doors opening by themselves (apparently), shoes flying out of the closet, apparitions appearing...and more. It was actually because of demonic activity in the house that I cried out to God and got saved, now I have learned that they are not to be feared by the person who is abiding in Christ, who spends time with Him in prayer, and who knows his authority over them.

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« Reply #44 on: Fri Feb 05, 2016 - 16:17:36 »
Excellent! I was just curious because of your terminology.

I would explain it like this:

Demons seek to inhabit flesh and blood bodies for many different reasons. One is to fulfill their hateful desires, but another is to temporarily and in a diminished sort of fashion replace the lost presence of God, which they can't feel anymore since they have been banished from His very presence.

When a person sins, it opens a type of doorway inside of a person. As one sins more and more, that doorway opens wider and wider. Demons can recognize it, as well as some who have the gift. But even when a demon enters this doorway and resides within a person, it can't just do what it wants. It or they still needs help. The stronger or more numerous a demon they are, the less help they need.

For instance, they'll create or take advantage of situations which result in great emotional distress or outbursts. Or when a person is highly medicated or on illicit drugs is another way. It's during these times that a person loses control of themselves and the demon can take over and function through the individual. Eventually the person regains control, but each time it happens it gets worse and worse.

When it comes to sex, you're right on there. The only thing I'd add is that the scenario your describing is what can happen between unbelievers, or more accurately those who aren't born again.

As for those who are genuinely born again and Spirit filled, they can't be demonized internally unless the Spirit has departed from them. This is the added step in a believer being demonized, which does happen.

When using the terminology 'the flesh', which is typically a religious term, that could mean many things according to one's religious upbringing. Whenever people use that type of speech, it sounds like it's simply theory coming from some book or teacher who may not have any actual experience themselves. You'll be able to reach a wider audience and be more precise of you let go of religious terminology ya know?

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« Reply #45 on: Fri Feb 05, 2016 - 22:08:32 »
Excellent! I was just curious because of your terminology.

I would explain it like this:

Demons seek to inhabit flesh and blood bodies for many different reasons. One is to fulfill their hateful desires, but another is to temporarily and in a diminished sort of fashion replace the lost presence of God, which they can't feel anymore since they have been banished from His very presence.

When a person sins, it opens a type of doorway inside of a person. As one sins more and more, that doorway opens wider and wider. Demons can recognize it, as well as some who have the gift. But even when a demon enters this doorway and resides within a person, it can't just do what it wants. It or they still needs help. The stronger or more numerous a demon they are, the less help they need.

For instance, they'll create or take advantage of situations which result in great emotional distress or outbursts. Or when a person is highly medicated or on illicit drugs is another way. It's during these times that a person loses control of themselves and the demon can take over and function through the individual. Eventually the person regains control, but each time it happens it gets worse and worse.

When it comes to sex, you're right on there. The only thing I'd add is that the scenario your describing is what can happen between unbelievers, or more accurately those who aren't born again.

As for those who are genuinely born again and Spirit filled, they can't be demonized internally unless the Spirit has departed from them. This is the added step in a believer being demonized, which does happen.

When using the terminology 'the flesh', which is typically a religious term, that could mean many things according to one's religious upbringing. Whenever people use that type of speech, it sounds like it's simply theory coming from some book or teacher who may not have any actual experience themselves. You'll be able to reach a wider audience and be more precise of you let go of religious terminology ya know?

I like this post. It has substance. Truth. Thank you for taking the time reaching out to these folks on this subject.

Swordmaster, i agree with his_will_i_ am's reproof. I personally believe you'll be strengthened by appropriately responding to his wisdom.

So be it.

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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #46 on: Tue Feb 09, 2016 - 13:11:13 »
Excellent! I was just curious because of your terminology.

I would explain it like this:

Demons seek to inhabit flesh and blood bodies for many different reasons. One is to fulfill their hateful desires, but another is to temporarily and in a diminished sort of fashion replace the lost presence of God, which they can't feel anymore since they have been banished from His very presence.

When a person sins, it opens a type of doorway inside of a person. As one sins more and more, that doorway opens wider and wider. Demons can recognize it, as well as some who have the gift. But even when a demon enters this doorway and resides within a person, it can't just do what it wants. It or they still needs help. The stronger or more numerous a demon they are, the less help they need.

For instance, they'll create or take advantage of situations which result in great emotional distress or outbursts. Or when a person is highly medicated or on illicit drugs is another way. It's during these times that a person loses control of themselves and the demon can take over and function through the individual. Eventually the person regains control, but each time it happens it gets worse and worse.

When it comes to sex, you're right on there. The only thing I'd add is that the scenario your describing is what can happen between unbelievers, or more accurately those who aren't born again.

As for those who are genuinely born again and Spirit filled, they can't be demonized internally unless the Spirit has departed from them. This is the added step in a believer being demonized, which does happen.

When using the terminology 'the flesh', which is typically a religious term, that could mean many things according to one's religious upbringing. Whenever people use that type of speech, it sounds like it's simply theory coming from some book or teacher who may not have any actual experience themselves. You'll be able to reach a wider audience and be more precise of you let go of religious terminology ya know?


The only thing that I would add is that sometimes people get saved, but fail to be taught accurately (because of false teachings sometimes, or other times its the pastor's fault who probably really was never called to that position by God, but instead was "self-appointed") how to remain in covenant with God, and so have fallen away from Christ without even realizing it. These same people still believe they are filled with the Spirit but are not...because when they cease to abide in the covenant, they cease to have the indwelling Spirit, since He is a covenant gifting.

So, such a "christian" who is now one only in name, can be possessed. They and those around them believe they are Christians because of false doctrine, when they really aren't. This is a scenario that is not admitted to by many in the church today.

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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #47 on: Mon Mar 07, 2016 - 14:32:52 »
Well spoken my brother in Christ.But also can a  christian be held by a spirit of infirmity?.If it is possible of which there are many cases around us,then it could said ''YES'',a christian can possessed.Being Possessed here is in vaious dimentions and ramifications.
Why i'm trying stress this fact is because,there is a generalized belief that once you are saved,then you are saved forever.
Salvation of the soul is the first Phase of Salvation,then Second Phase is the continued victory in your christian journey,both physically and spiritually.And finally the Third Phase is when you make it to Heaven. 

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Re: CAN A CHRISTIAN BE POSSESSED?
« Reply #48 on: Mon Mar 07, 2016 - 15:48:40 »
Well spoken my brother in Christ.But also can a  christian be held by a spirit of infirmity?.If it is possible of which there are many cases around us,then it could said ''YES'',a christian can possessed.Being Possessed here is in vaious dimentions and ramifications.
Why i'm trying stress this fact is because,there is a generalized belief that once you are saved,then you are saved forever.
Salvation of the soul is the first Phase of Salvation,then Second Phase is the continued victory in your christian journey,both physically and spiritually.And finally the Third Phase is when you make it to Heaven.


Fearnot...that is not such an easy answer.

We do have an example in the Scriptures of a woman in a synagogue, who was definitely a worshiper of God (Jesus called her a daughter of Abraham, insinuating that she was a woman of faith, and therefore saved under the Old Covenant), and she was bound by a spirit of infirmity...but under the Old Covenant people didn't have the indwelling Spirit within them.

This could be either a partial possession (just the flesh, not the entire person, such as the demoniac in Ghedera), and I do believe that a person with the indwelling Spirit can have their flesh possessed...but not a person who has the Spirit of God both on the inside (the indwelling) and the outside (the baptism in the Spirit)...unless such a person is ignoring the gifting of the baptism and is living in sin.




 

     
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