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Does God bless his children financially?
« on: December 21, 2011, 01:16:45 PM »
I believe God does bless Christians financially, if the person's motivates for the use/uses of the blessing are right.

Meaning that we are blessed to be a blessing, not blessed to hoard the money or use it on sin.


Deuteronomy 8:18
You shall remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth, that he may confirm his covenant that he swore to your fathers, as it is this day.


Of course people gain wealth by evil means, such as fraud or being in an evil industry such as porn.

That kind of wealth is wrapped in problems and hardships.

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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 02:23:48 PM »
1 Corinthians 11:1 Paul said, "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." Let's see how he fared below. 

Philippians 3:8  ". . I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

1 Timothy 5:5  ". .  men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
 
1 Timothy 5:7  For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

1 Timothy 5:8  And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

3 John 1:2  "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." What does this mean? 1 Tim 4:10. For, therefore, we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, specially of those that believe. (2 Cor 11:30) using the NIV > Paul says, if I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness - It seems the sufferings he endured were counted by him as prosperous to his soul and life. He considered himself to be prospering and healthy only in the context of how his life was prospering in things pertaining to winning Christ. Surely it has to be evident by now that Paul at this time did not possess material wealth or bodily health, which many preachers today profess will be the normal result of a life lived for Christ.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 02:59:46 PM »
1 Corinthians 11:1 Paul said, "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." Let's see how he fared below. 

Philippians 3:8  ". . I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

1 Timothy 5:5  ". .  men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
 
1 Timothy 5:7  For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

1 Timothy 5:8  And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

3 John 1:2  "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." What does this mean? 1 Tim 4:10. For, therefore, we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, specially of those that believe. (2 Cor 11:30) using the NIV > Paul says, if I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness - It seems the sufferings he endured were counted by him as prosperous to his soul and life. He considered himself to be prospering and healthy only in the context of how his life was prospering in things pertaining to winning Christ. Surely it has to be evident by now that Paul at this time did not possess material wealth or bodily health, which many preachers today profess will be the normal result of a life lived for Christ.


Paul also said that he was poor, but they are rich.

In James it says that Christians don't have things because they don't ask and when they do ask they ask to use the things they ask for on their pleasures/sins.

I believe there is a huge difference between revenue and using the money for evil.

I believe that God wants to bless Christians financially, so that they can be a blessing to others.

What the extent of God's financial blessing for each believer is I don't know.




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Re: Does God bless his children financially?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 08:22:27 AM »
If you believe that God has a plan for all his children, then he will give each one what they need to be successful in that plan. It's not always about finances.

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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2011, 10:01:39 PM »
If you believe that God has a plan for all his children, then he will give each one what they need to be successful in that plan. It's not always about finances.

In reality it was NOTHING to do with finances.

Seek God first.  That is the point and always will be.


I want CHRISTIANS TO make big money to GIVE IT ALL AWAY, other than what is needed for neccesities.



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Re: Does God bless his children financially?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 05:58:47 PM »
Does God bless His children financially?

Yes - IF you are abiding in the New Covenant relationship with Him, and IF you are walking in love towards people, especially financially when you are able.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 07:08:57 PM »
Does God bless His children financially?

Yes - IF you are abiding in the New Covenant relationship with Him, and IF you are walking in love towards people, especially financially when you are able.

This seems to discount the faith of millions of people, many of whom are poor yet of stronger faith and sacrifice than their wealthy brethren.

Does God bless His children financially?  Sometimes, as mentioned above, He blesses us with what we need to do His will, not what we may want.  Ones financial standing has little to do with their faith, worth, or standing with God.

What cannot be ignored is that wealth is often more of a curse than a blessing, camel and eye of a needle and all that.  Prosperity is just as likely of the devil, perhaps more so than of God.

In my humble, and financially challenged opinion, and therein perhaps a bias.

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2013, 09:13:31 PM »
Does God bless His children financially?

Yes - IF you are abiding in the New Covenant relationship with Him, and IF you are walking in love towards people, especially financially when you are able.

This seems to discount the faith of millions of people, many of whom are poor yet of stronger faith and sacrifice than their wealthy brethren.

Does God bless His children financially?  Sometimes, as mentioned above, He blesses us with what we need to do His will, not what we may want.  Ones financial standing has little to do with their faith, worth, or standing with God.

What cannot be ignored is that wealth is often more of a curse than a blessing, camel and eye of a needle and all that.  Prosperity is just as likely of the devil, perhaps more so than of God.

In my humble, and financially challenged opinion, and therein perhaps a bias.


Yes, but do we take God at His Word, or not? God says...

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.

As I stated earlier, God does bless His children financially - those who meet His qualifications.

First - are we in the Covenant with God? If not, forget it. The promises of God are all bound up within the New Covenant, and if one is not walking in covenant relationship with God, the promise is not applicable to them.
Second - are we proven good stewards of God's money (because it isn't ours in the first place)? I know people who had money but never gave to God...and little by little their money was lost. Now they struggle but still don't give God money, so they blame God for not meeting their needs.
Third - yes, some people cannot handle money, so I believe that God will not give it to them in excess. Enough to help others, but then again, if one does not help another when they have the financial means to, who are they to expect anything from God?

When we turn to the Scriptures and look at what God has to say about finances, we learn all we need to know about it - the next step is taking action on what we know. I am not rich, but we give to God and help people out financially when we can...and sometimes when it is my last $20...but you know what...God always comes through. We are not hungry, the car doesn't break down, no one throws a rock through our windows...we are always able to pay our bills and get gas. I say these things because I know church folk who don't give God money, who don't help the less fortunate but instead by themselves things they don't need. When bill-paying time comes, they have no money...their car breaks down...someone throws a rock through one of their windows............

I had a preacher one time say this: "If you don't give God what is His, He will take it one way or another, and don't expect to be blessed by Him either!"

I am not saying that is your lot...but perhaps your symptoms demonstrate the underlying problem...Are you in covenant relationship with God? If you have no idea what I am talking about, or what I mean, that is your first clue. Do you give to God? Do you help the less fortunate when you can...and maybe even when it is your last dollar?

I hope this helps!

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2013, 12:45:06 PM »
Sure my wife and I drive older vehicles, live in a modest home, don't get to travel to exotic locations, and rarely dine out, but we are content, and richly blessed and there is not a person on this earth with whom I would change places.  I am also quite comfortable with what we give.  But this really isn't about me.

There are many ways His children can serve, and to imply the poor own their poverty through a lack of giving enough cash is distasteful to me.  For many the loose change they put in the collection plate and their time given, is a far greater sacrifice than some who write a big cheque once a month and gather their tax receipts.

IMO, the sufficiency spoken of in Corinthians, does not translate to material wealth, rather that our needs our met.  We should give til it hurts, but not expect we will be rewarded with financial prosperity.

Being "financially challenged" or poor, is not an indication of one's spiritual health, and unfortunately many use the prosperity message not to serve God, but rather themselves.  To be clear, I am not referring to you here, but many preach this message in their ministries to manipulate donations from the poor, donations on which they take a generous cut and live lavishly upon.

There is some truth to what you say, but it is a message that has to be broached with great caution.  For those that hear it can easily be led astray. 










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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2013, 03:00:44 AM »
Sure my wife and I drive older vehicles, live in a modest home, don't get to travel to exotic locations, and rarely dine out, but we are content, and richly blessed and there is not a person on this earth with whom I would change places.  I am also quite comfortable with what we give.  But this really isn't about me.

There are many ways His children can serve, and to imply the poor own their poverty through a lack of giving enough cash is distasteful to me.  For many the loose change they put in the collection plate and their time given, is a far greater sacrifice than some who write a big cheque once a month and gather their tax receipts.

IMO, the sufficiency spoken of in Corinthians, does not translate to material wealth, rather that our needs our met.  We should give til it hurts, but not expect we will be rewarded with financial prosperity.

Being "financially challenged" or poor, is not an indication of one's spiritual health, and unfortunately many use the prosperity message not to serve God, but rather themselves.  To be clear, I am not referring to you here, but many preach this message in their ministries to manipulate donations from the poor, donations on which they take a generous cut and live lavishly upon.

There is some truth to what you say, but it is a message that has to be broached with great caution.  For those that hear it can easily be led astray.


I agree, and the "wealth and prosperity gospel" is a problem, but we have to (as you point out) realize that it is a subject addressed in Scripture, and some take it and twist it out of context. God does make promises to those who are walking and abiding in covenant relationship with Him, but as I said before, so many in Western culture do not understand this because we do not live in a covenantal society like the ancient near east cultures were. Most in this country do not understand how to enter the covenant, much less how to remain in it, and that is a sad fact especially when it comes to our spiritual leaders who should be spending enough time with God to receive such revelation.

I have been attending church since.....over 30 years now, and the only way I received understanding about the New Covenant and the principles by which it operates, was by (going out on a limb here) Divine revelation. In other words, I asked God to show me what I was missing, because what I had been taught growing up wasn't working, and the pat answer was always, "you don't have enough faith." So knowing the difference between what I knew about my faith, and that 2 and 2 was not matching up, I went to the source...and what I learned changed my life.

If you are interested there is a book out that addresses the situation.

Blessings!

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2013, 06:24:35 AM »
The issue is not whether God adds to our finances; but rather why we want Him to.

Is it to spend it on our own lusts?
Is it so we can squirrel away resources for a disaster?
Is it to feed our own self-esteem?
Is it to show off to others how much we have?

I would submit if it is any of those, we want it for the wrong reason, and ultimately God will have to withhold resources.

OTOH, if it is so we can generously help those who are in need, I believe God will bless that attitude and effort.

From a UMJC based Mussar school article on Generosity:

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On an everyday basis, most people in public are bombarded with homeless beggars offering to work for food, and on television we see pictures of hungry children in third world countries. Most of these appeals are touching at first, but wind up being no more than an annoyance after the third or fourth time you see them. The desire to help others degenerates into giving to appease a guilty conscience because we have and they don't.  Eventually, we become numb to the whole thing.

Generosity is more than simply writing a check, or digging into your pocket to give to the needy. Generosity is an attitude, and and should translate into all our interactions with others. When you give someone the benefit of the doubt, that is generosity.  When you are kind to someone who really doesn't deserve it, that too is generosity.  The way we treat other people is the most accurate reflection of generosity.

For me, generosity comes from my gratitude toward God for all He has done for me.  Every blessing in my life is a reminder of the abundance of God's goodness.  Because I have been so blessed, I can afford to be generous with people.  I can give to the needy, I can spare the time to listen to a person's problems and give them comfort, I can take someone who has fallen, and help them get on their own two feet.  We can afford to be generous because God has been so good to us.
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The parables of Yeshua [Jesus] are all about the generosity of God, but also about how we need to be generous toward others.  Because Man was created in the image of God, the way we treat others is a true reflection of how we feel toward God.  True godliness can not exist apart from human decency.


The whole article by Rabbi Shiffman can be found here:
http://rivertonmussar.org/middot-character-traits/generosity/item/585-generosity-as-an-attitude