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I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« on: Sun Jan 18, 2009 - 16:18:44 »
I was in a Pentecostal church for 3 years during my later High School years.

I believe God put me there, to learn things I can share with others....to warn them of the dangers there.

I saw laying on of hands, to heal people (supposedly).

I heard many people speaking in tongues, (And I thank God, I never did).

I heard prophetic predictions, which never occured.

I heard about the Rapture theory for the first time in that church, and I believed it UNTIL......I read everything that the Bibel say, about Christ's 2nd Coming, again.

Pentecostals tend to rely upon the Holy Spirit(?)....instead of believing what the Bible really has to say.

The Bible verse which really opened my eyes was:

Revelation  16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 
  16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 

QUESTION: How do 'frogs catch their prey "

ANSWER: With their tongues !

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #1 on: Wed Jan 21, 2009 - 10:21:21 »
I was in a Pentecostal church for 3 years during my later High School years.

I believe God put me there, to learn things I can share with others....to warn them of the dangers there.

I saw laying on of hands, to heal people (supposedly).

I heard many people speaking in tongues, (And I thank God, I never did).

I heard prophetic predictions, which never occured.

I heard about the Rapture theory for the first time in that church, and I believed it UNTIL......I read everything that the Bibel say, about Christ's 2nd Coming, again.

Pentecostals tend to rely upon the Holy Spirit(?)....instead of believing what the Bible really has to say.

The Bible verse which really opened my eyes was:

Revelation  16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 
  16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 

QUESTION: How do 'frogs catch their prey "

ANSWER: With their tongues !

If this were true you would be in heaven because your scripture choice refers to after the first rapture of the church. My personal opinion would be maybe you were in a church that was not lead by my Lord Jesus Christ. And then to the laying of hand to heal. Did Jesus apostles not do the same thing after Christ was risen and ascended? I believe in miracles as the Bible supports them

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« Reply #1 on: Wed Jan 21, 2009 - 10:21:21 »

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« Reply #2 on: Wed Jan 28, 2009 - 19:12:49 »
What did you see wrong with speaking in tongues? Read 1 corinthians 12 which talks about the gifts of the spirit.

What do you mean by relying on the holy spirit and ignoring what the bible really says? Tell me what is wrong with relying on the holy spirit.


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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #3 on: Wed Jan 28, 2009 - 19:26:47 »
So... what are you now?  Since you stopped believing in Pentecost?

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« Reply #4 on: Mon Feb 16, 2009 - 10:12:04 »
3am, You sound a little confused. First, The Rapture and the Second coming of Christ are two different events, They are not the same thing.

While you are glad you never spoke in tongues, I am so glad that I do. This experience refreshes my Spirit, Through the Gift of tongues I am able to communicate with God.

I have seen People healed by the laying on of hands, I myself have been healed by this Practise, I have been healed simply by asking God to heal me.

I am sorry that you had a bad experience in a Pentecostal Church, But don't give up, try another, You may like it.

Where do you attend Church now.? I hope you are going some place.

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« Reply #5 on: Sat Feb 28, 2009 - 23:18:04 »
Uhuh. I've heard all this before, and I'm still a pentecostal because there are misrepresentations, inuendos, and Scripture taken out of context.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed May 06, 2009 - 05:34:54 »
Which of the above scriptures have been taken out of context?

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« Reply #7 on: Wed May 06, 2009 - 18:20:28 »
warn them from? What?

Tongues? I thank God I do speak in tongues. Yes tongues will cease the bible says when all is perfected when will that be when the children of God reach heaven.

they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. Mark 16:18

If you would read your bible you will se that prophecy is very biblical.

The holy Spirit was sent by God to us when His son Jesus was taken up to heaven. The main purpose of the Holy Spirit is to teach us Jesus.

uh yeah ok dude. You do realize that scripture is talking about the tib don't you? We are NOT in the trib.

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« Reply #8 on: Sat May 30, 2009 - 17:22:22 »
I was in a Pentecostal church for 3 years during my later High School years.

I believe God put me there, to learn things I can share with others....to warn them of the dangers there.

I saw laying on of hands, to heal people (supposedly).

I heard many people speaking in tongues, (And I thank God, I never did).

I heard prophetic predictions, which never occured.

I heard about the Rapture theory for the first time in that church, and I believed it UNTIL......I read everything that the Bibel say, about Christ's 2nd Coming, again.

Pentecostals tend to rely upon the Holy Spirit(?)....instead of believing what the Bible really has to say.

The Bible verse which really opened my eyes was:

Revelation  16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 
  16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 

QUESTION: How do 'frogs catch their prey "

ANSWER: With their tongues !


3AM, I believe you should start seeking the Holy Spirit.  To do so, just talk to Him directly in your mind in a quiet place and He will speak back to you.  Do not speak aloud as the devil can hear what you say and misguide you.  The devil cannot read your mind, this is why you have to speak in your mind.  Whilst you are communicating with tht Holy Spirit, He will put you right on everything you are currently confused about.

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« Reply #9 on: Sat May 30, 2009 - 17:25:28 »
I was in a Pentecostal church for 3 years during my later High School years.

I believe God put me there, to learn things I can share with others....to warn them of the dangers there.

I saw laying on of hands, to heal people (supposedly).

I heard many people speaking in tongues, (And I thank God, I never did).

I heard prophetic predictions, which never occured.

I heard about the Rapture theory for the first time in that church, and I believed it UNTIL......I read everything that the Bibel say, about Christ's 2nd Coming, again.

Pentecostals tend to rely upon the Holy Spirit(?)....instead of believing what the Bible really has to say.

The Bible verse which really opened my eyes was:

Revelation  16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 
  16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 

QUESTION: How do 'frogs catch their prey "

ANSWER: With their tongues !


3AM, I believe you should start seeking the Holy Spirit.  To do so, just talk to Him directly in your mind in a quiet place and He will speak back to you.  Do not speak aloud as the devil can hear what you say and misguide you.  The devil cannot read your mind, this is why you have to speak in your mind.  Whilst you are communicating with tht Holy Spirit, He will put you right on everything you are currently confused about.


Because the Holy Spirit is a pentecostal too?

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« Reply #10 on: Sat May 30, 2009 - 23:29:57 »

3AM - I heard many people speaking in tongues, (And I thank God, I never did).

larry2 -  Acts 19:2  Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?

By your own words here, your confession of having not received the Holy Spirit may be the reason you do not understand the things of God's grace and mercy afforded you in His word. According to some of your other posts you scarcely seem to really know that you have eternal life, and seemingly must work your way to heaven by keeping every jot and tittle of the law.

Dear 3AM, God loves you, and has offered His Son to ensure your righteousness in His sight, and according to Titus 3:5  it is "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost." How are you ever going to improve upon what Christ did for us? Please wake up man. Galatians 3:3 says: "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?"

May God show you the truth of His grace in the precious name of Jesus - larry2

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« Reply #11 on: Sun May 31, 2009 - 00:16:08 »
I was in a Pentecostal church for 3 years during my later High School years.

I believe God put me there, to learn things I can share with others....to warn them of the dangers there.

I saw laying on of hands, to heal people (supposedly).

I heard many people speaking in tongues, (And I thank God, I never did).

I heard prophetic predictions, which never occured.

I heard about the Rapture theory for the first time in that church, and I believed it UNTIL......I read everything that the Bibel say, about Christ's 2nd Coming, again.

Pentecostals tend to rely upon the Holy Spirit(?)....instead of believing what the Bible really has to say.

The Bible verse which really opened my eyes was:

Revelation  16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  
  16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.  

QUESTION: How do 'frogs catch their prey "

ANSWER: With their tongues !


3AM, I believe you should start seeking the Holy Spirit.  To do so, just talk to Him directly in your mind in a quiet place and He will speak back to you.  Do not speak aloud as the devil can hear what you say and misguide you.  The devil cannot read your mind, this is why you have to speak in your mind.  Whilst you are communicating with tht Holy Spirit, He will put you right on everything you are currently confused about.
HUH? I was always taught to not be ashamed and pray aloud. I'm not chastising just confused about your directions to NOT pray out loud...  ::pondering::
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« Reply #12 on: Sun May 31, 2009 - 00:25:16 »
I was in a Pentecostal church for 3 years during my later High School years.

I believe God put me there, to learn things I can share with others....to warn them of the dangers there.

I saw laying on of hands, to heal people (supposedly).

I heard many people speaking in tongues, (And I thank God, I never did).

I heard prophetic predictions, which never occured.

I heard about the Rapture theory for the first time in that church, and I believed it UNTIL......I read everything that the Bibel say, about Christ's 2nd Coming, again.

Pentecostals tend to rely upon the Holy Spirit(?)....instead of believing what the Bible really has to say.

The Bible verse which really opened my eyes was:

Revelation  16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 
  16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 

QUESTION: How do 'frogs catch their prey "

ANSWER: With their tongues !

Tongues could refer to the false prophets misleading people with their preaching of false doctrines. Not speaking in tongues. I never have and am kinda turned off by it. It is still interesting to me, though.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Jun 13, 2009 - 17:49:53 »
What did you see wrong with speaking in tongues? Read 1 corinthians 12 which talks about the gifts of the spirit.

What do you mean by relying on the holy spirit and ignoring what the bible really says? Tell me what is wrong with relying on the holy spirit.


When the Bible speaks about tongues it means languages.  I have been in pentecostal churches where all they do is babel and cry out any weird sound that the tongue can produce.   And they do this all in the name of the Holy Spirit. The purpose of the gift of tongues is to bring people together in a common understanding of the spoken word.  When God confused the languages by the tower of Babel He did it to confused people and drive them away from the tower.  The purpose of the gift of tongues is to do the opposite.  Bring people together when people can't understand each other because of the language barrier.  God bless.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Jun 13, 2009 - 19:06:38 »

Davidandme - The purpose of the gift of tongues is to bring people together in a common understanding of the spoken word.  When God confused the languages by the tower of Babel He did it to confused people and drive them away from the tower.  The purpose of the gift of tongues is to do the opposite.  Bring people together when people can't understand each other because of the language barrier.
 
larry2 - I have no idea where you get that. 1 Corinthians 14:22  Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not.

Dear Davidandme, have you ever spoken in tongues? Has God used you to bring other peoples that can't understand together by speaking in tongues?   

John 14:17  "Even the Spirit of truth; - - ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." Is He in you Davidandme? How do you know? The apostles all spoke in tongues; are you different? Thus the question in Acts 19:2: - -  He (Paul) said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

In Jesus' name - larry2 


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« Reply #15 on: Sun Jun 14, 2009 - 00:20:37 »

Davidandme - The purpose of the gift of tongues is to bring people together in a common understanding of the spoken word.  When God confused the languages by the tower of Babel He did it to confused people and drive them away from the tower.  The purpose of the gift of tongues is to do the opposite.  Bring people together when people can't understand each other because of the language barrier.
 
larry2 - I have no idea where you get that. 1 Corinthians 14:22  Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not.

Dear Davidandme, have you ever spoken in tongues? Has God used you to bring other peoples that can't understand together by speaking in tongues?   

John 14:17  "Even the Spirit of truth; - - ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." Is He in you Davidandme? How do you know? The apostles all spoke in tongues; are you different? Thus the question in Acts 19:2: - -  He (Paul) said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

In Jesus' name - larry2 


Pentecostals claim that without evidence of tongues the Holy Spirit is not in you.  The Bible says Mat 7:20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

But Pentecostals claimed that you shall know them by a gift. (speaking in tongues)  Sorry pentecostal brothers but when most of you think that you are speaking in tongues you are really not.  Most of it are emotional outbursts.  And Larry the tongues are languages and yes they can be a sign.  But they are not a sign in themselves.  Any one can mimic them. I have seen them do it.  God bless us as we continue to find the truth that is in His word.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun Jun 14, 2009 - 01:59:31 »

Davidandme - Pentecostals claimed that you shall know them by a gift

larry2 - I do not know of any that say that, as it is not a gift one is known by, but fruit (righteous works). Are you saying we shall know who has received the Holy Spirit by their fruit? To me Jesus was talking of false prophets there. Even the apostles had to receive the Holy Spirit.

You can make every accusation, draw upon every unrelated scripture you want, but until you receive the Holy Spirit, He remains with you, but not in you. Even Paul asked: do all speak in tongues? 1 Corinthians 14:39 "Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues." Perhaps you think this means to learn Spanish.  Dear Davidandme, you make sport of something you absolutely know nothing of.

In Jesus' name - larry2

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« Reply #17 on: Sun Jun 14, 2009 - 02:16:02 »
I was in a Pentecostal church for 3 years during my later High School years.

I believe God put me there, to learn things I can share with others....to warn them of the dangers there.

I saw laying on of hands, to heal people (supposedly).

I heard many people speaking in tongues, (And I thank God, I never did).

I heard prophetic predictions, which never occured.

I heard about the Rapture theory for the first time in that church, and I believed it UNTIL......I read everything that the Bibel say, about Christ's 2nd Coming, again.

Pentecostals tend to rely upon the Holy Spirit(?)....instead of believing what the Bible really has to say.

The Bible verse which really opened my eyes was:

Revelation  16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  
  16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.  

QUESTION: How do 'frogs catch their prey "

ANSWER: With their tongues !


your right

Any Spirit apart from scriptures is of the devil.

THE Holy Spirit does not come apart from scriptures  as some  Schwärmerei  wills him to.



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« Reply #18 on: Sun Jun 14, 2009 - 16:02:15 »

Davidandme - Pentecostals claimed that you shall know them by a gift

larry2 - I do not know of any that say that, as it is not a gift one is known by, but fruit (righteous works). Are you saying we shall know who has received the Holy Spirit by their fruit? To me Jesus was talking of false prophets there. Even the apostles had to receive the Holy Spirit.

You can make every accusation, draw upon every unrelated scripture you want, but until you receive the Holy Spirit, He remains with you, but not in you. Even Paul asked: do all speak in tongues? 1 Corinthians 14:39 "Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues." Perhaps you think this means to learn Spanish.  Dear Davidandme, you make sport of something you absolutely know nothing of.

In Jesus' name - larry2

Larry Paul is saying in this very text that the gift of prophesy is more important than the gift of tongues.   Check the Greek and you will see it.  Paul did not forbid anybody to speak in a different language if it was necessary.  You should read the following verse. (v.40)  It talks about doing these things in an orderly fashion.  I am sorry but I don't see that in the pentecostal churches specially when they are all  jumping and shouting.  One day somebody invited me to a Pentecostal church and I had to leave in the middle of the service because I thought that my head was going to explode with all that noise.  I was listening to the preacher and he all of the sudden started to bable and the whole congregation began to do the same thing.  I couldn't stand the noise and I had to step out for a while.  I must admit that I do like Pentecostal music.  God bless.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun Jun 14, 2009 - 20:08:40 »

Dear Davidandme - I have no argument with the fact that Paul put emphasis on prophesy being better than speaking in tongues because prophesy edifies others, but the fact remains that speaking in tongues is a fact.

Is there a benefit to speaking in tongues? 1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." Here no man understanding them is made known as you say; you didn't understand. I have not attended meetings where such disorder was prevalent as you did as there may have been at Corinth, though I have experienced and participated in much oral praise of the Lord.

David, even though you do not know in experience, or in scripture what tongues is all about, you have not done as 3AM has done and attributed what God has told us in His word about tongues being a gift, or a sign and comparing that with being spirits of devils To me, that is dangerous if just not disrespectful to God.

As for the sound being too much for you, you might just prepare for the future when you will be confronted with Revelation 19:6  "And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." I've heard that when in the presence of Niagara's mighty waters you cannot hear someone next to you hollering.
 
In Jesus' name - larry2


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« Reply #20 on: Sun Jun 14, 2009 - 21:28:57 »

Dear Davidandme - I have no argument with the fact that Paul put emphasis on prophesy being better than speaking in tongues because prophesy edifies others, but the fact remains that speaking in tongues is a fact.

Is there a benefit to speaking in tongues? 1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." Here no man understanding them is made known as you say; you didn't understand. I have not attended meetings where such disorder was prevalent as you did as there may have been at Corinth, though I have experienced and participated in much oral praise of the Lord.

David, even though you do not know in experience, or in scripture what tongues is all about, you have not done as 3AM has done and attributed what God has told us in His word about tongues being a gift, or a sign and comparing that with being spirits of devils To me, that is dangerous if just not disrespectful to God.

As for the sound being too much for you, you might just prepare for the future when you will be confronted with Revelation 19:6  "And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." I've heard that when in the presence of Niagara's mighty waters you cannot hear someone next to you hollering.
 
In Jesus' name - larry2


In Cor 14:2 Paul is talking about certain people that were praying outloud in their own language.  Corinth was a city that had people that spoke many languages.  Some people in their own language were praying out loud not realizing that their prayers  were disturbing their brothers with a language that they did not understand.   A person might be praying to God in their own language or tongue but they might disturb somebody near that does not understand the prayer.  So bottom line is that if you are in public and you are the only English speaking person in the room, please do not pray out loud so you don't disrespect the people around you that can't understand you.  If very body in the same room (specially in a church) would start praying in their own language out loud, wouldn't that cause a confusion, even if they were all praying to God? I love my pentecostal brothers because they are very sincere and I like their music but they base their christian experience in emotions to much.  God bless.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun Jun 14, 2009 - 22:34:54 »

OK my dear brother in the Lord. God bless you too in Jesus' precious name - larry2


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« Reply #22 on: Mon Jun 15, 2009 - 18:49:39 »

OK my dear brother in the Lord. God bless you too in Jesus' precious name - larry2


Thank you Larry.

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« Reply #23 on: Sat Jun 20, 2009 - 12:16:04 »
I was in a Pentecostal church for 3 years during my later High School years.

I believe God put me there, to learn things I can share with others....to warn them of the dangers there.

I saw laying on of hands, to heal people (supposedly).

I heard many people speaking in tongues, (And I thank God, I never did).

I heard prophetic predictions, which never occured.


QUESTION: How do 'frogs catch their prey "

ANSWER: With their tongues !


your right

Any Spirit apart from scriptures is of the devil.

THE Holy Spirit does not come apart from scriptures  as some  Schwärmerei  wills him to.





Excathedra, you are right.  If anyone is speaking in tongues and they do not bear the other fruits of the Holy Spitit,(self-control, good health, understanding etc. then you can be sure that the 'tongue' they are speacking in is the tongue of a deceiving evil spirit 
Don't forget the devil is an ex angel, efore God threw him out of heaven, so he knows very well how to speak in tongues, the language of the angels ...

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #24 on: Fri Jul 10, 2009 - 23:55:18 »
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did you tell him about the tongues of self edification?

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #25 on: Sat Jul 25, 2009 - 14:07:10 »

Davidandme - The purpose of the gift of tongues is to bring people together in a common understanding of the spoken word.  When God confused the languages by the tower of Babel He did it to confused people and drive them away from the tower.  The purpose of the gift of tongues is to do the opposite.  Bring people together when people can't understand each other because of the language barrier.
 


Larry 2, since this thread is about speaking in tongues, I have copy and pasted my post in the other section about my insight of speaking in tongues.  I hope it is helpful to all readers:

"I believe the Holy Spirit is around everyone, but those who actually receive him inside themselves are those who firstly believe this is possible, and not some fairy tale. As He says "Signs will follow those who believe."

I attended the Catholic Church for many years and did not know anything about receiving the Holy Spirit. However at various occasions during that time, I used to communicate with 'spirits'.  It was only after I started attending a pentecostal church that I learnt that good and bad spirits can communicate with you.  From that pentecostal church I was able to differentiate between evil spirits and good spirits, as evil spirits cannot read your mind.

When I look back I realise that the Holy Spirit had been in my life for decades
but because some churches preach that hearing voices and other communications are from evil spirits, I had rejected all communications of that nature.  On discovering that evil spirits cannot read your mind, I then began to communicate in my mind with God directly in June 2007.  To my surprise, He would reply back to me directly, in my mind.  This has been happening upon demand now till today. 

I feel the sessions with God/The Holy Spirit is very fulfilling.  I can ask Him any question, I mean any question on any matter and 90% of the time He would give me an answer.  On the occasions He did not give me an answer are when, on reflection, I already new the answer.

Receiving the Holy Spirit and utilizing resourse to its fullest extent is extremely powerful and beneficial for those who are strong.  Yes, those who are strong - because if you get to communicate with Him to the level I do, He will remold you, as He points out home truths about yourself that you thought was unimportant and OK with Him and which needs to be changed.  The Holy Spirit is my No. 1 adviser on every aspect of life.  My life will not be complete with Him

Just one point.  All my children know about my very close relationship/ communicatin with God.  They also know about the connection of speaking in tongues and the Holy Spirit.  One day my daughter asked me  very intelligently.  "Why don't you speak in tongues, since you quite clearly have the Holy Spirit?"  I considered this was a very good point.  The next day I did not hesitate to put it to God in one of our communicating sessions.  The answer was more or less "To speak in tongues you do not understand what you say, but as you are communicating with God directly, you are closer to God, since you are understanding what He is saying to you..."

So I conclude that speaking in tongues has its place in the bible somewhere and in life generally, but to really experience God in your life, you need to start to speak to Him directly, whoever you are, holy or unholy - whether or not you  currently speak in tongues.  If you do not communicate with God directly, you are missing out big time ... 

Just shut yourself in your bathroom, bedroom, toilet etc., turn off all music/noise, zip your lips open your mind and connect with the Holy Spirit.  Do this regulary, whether or not you receive any response; but be persistent.   Eventually He will respond - when He knows you are serious."


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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #26 on: Tue Oct 06, 2009 - 16:39:05 »
Does one HAVE to speak in tongues to be filled with the Holy Spirit?

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #27 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 12:39:30 »
Does one HAVE to speak in tongues to be filled with the Holy Spirit?
Eagle, as you can read from my post above, from my experience, no, you do not need to speak in the tongues of the angels to be filled with the Holy Spirit.  I am filled with the Holy Spirit and I do not speak in  the tongue, as we expect. But I understand the 'tongue' of God Himself.

If you want to be filled with the Holy Spirit, just follow the instructions above and get talking to God Himself and take it from there.

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #28 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 12:46:35 »
enjoyed your post Lifesaver   ::smile::

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #29 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:02:10 »
enjoyed your post Lifesaver   ::smile::

Thank God you enjoyed His message through me.  Keep in the Spirit of God always ...

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #30 on: Sun Mar 21, 2010 - 19:06:06 »
3am, You sound a little confused. First, The Rapture and the Second coming of Christ are two different events, They are not the same thing.

While you are glad you never spoke in tongues, I am so glad that I do. This experience refreshes my Spirit, Through the Gift of tongues I am able to communicate with God.

I have seen People healed by the laying on of hands, I myself have been healed by this Practise, I have been healed simply by asking God to heal me.

I am sorry that you had a bad experience in a Pentecostal Church, But don't give up, try another, You may like it.

Where do you attend Church now.? I hope you are going some place.

I DONT SPEAK IN TONGUES and i have never asked God for that gift! I still can speak to my GOD without opening my lips!! or make a noise from my mouth!! my GOD can here ME  BEFORE I EVEN THINK OF WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY TO HIM!!

ANY COMMENTS PLEASE?

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #31 on: Mon Mar 22, 2010 - 14:15:48 »
While I'm not sure I would say speaking in tongues is a "gift", it was something that I received when I was baptized in the Holy Spirit. It is, for me, a prayer language that I use when I am at a loss to find words to express myself before God. It is my spirit speaking and bypassing a brain that too often is incapable of expressing the thoughts I want to express. It's not meant to be a replacement for speaking in the natural but an enhancement to one's prayer life. While tongues and interpretation is a part of our church, the use of tongues in my personal prayer life is much more of a blessing.

I don't ever want to seem critical, but effective prayer should come from the heart and spoken with the lips.

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #32 on: Tue Mar 23, 2010 - 01:00:48 »
amen  ---third day

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #33 on: Sun Apr 25, 2010 - 21:30:41 »


<< Acts 2 >>
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1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 

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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #34 on: Sun Jun 13, 2010 - 15:56:16 »
Came across written by a christian monk 35years ago about Pentecostal groups..

This article was written by a protestant turned atheist turned zen Buddhist turned Taoist turned Orthodox Christian. Finally he became an monk, selecting to live a secluded life in California.

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In the above article, the author to speaks about good and bad spirit... and how the Devil counterfeits everything that comes from the God...

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St Paul said 1 Corinthians 14:22

“Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.
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