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Re: I Used to be a Pentecostal....BUT, No More
« Reply #90 on: September 19, 2010, 11:49:06 PM »
Speaking of tongues made me remember something that happened in service.
Yes I also find it odd if all are speaking in tongues by one spirit in an entirely english congregation then why are they not all speaking the same thing?
Recorded in the book of Acts in a crowd of many languages those who spoke in tongues spoke in different languages because multiple languaged people were present and each heard the wonders of God in their own language.
I do speak in tongues myself but rarely. I find it occurs while in despair.
Now to a testimony while in service. The man standing beside me was repeating the same word over and over loudly and his tone was unsettling. I prayed briefly to the Lord. The mans voice quieted and suddenly I was flat on my back; as they call slain in the Spirit having a peace come over me when the mans voice stilled. I could not get up!!!! I could not move a muscle!!! In the presence of the Lord as recorded you are as a dead man. After some time I regained my strength and was able to rise.

Tongues is a gift.............  Isn't it a bit odd that they all have the same gift???

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« Reply #91 on: September 20, 2010, 12:03:06 AM »
Yes. That was kind of the point. God bless Frank. More often when I listen to those speaking tongues its more rambling than an intelligable language. This is one reason why myself dont do it often. Because without a translation its meaningless. However I have listened and to my amazement have found the language I was speaking or atleast to say recognized words receiving a translation.
I have also noticed answers to prayer or one might say a way was provided after praying in tongues.

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« Reply #92 on: September 20, 2010, 03:08:03 AM »
I agree and find it odd that almost every member of some church's have the same gift? There are even schools to teach people to speak in tongue's, which I find more preposterous yet. If it is a gift for today, which I do not believe it is why would you have to go to a school to learn how to do it, especially if it is a gift of the Spirit? There have been documented cases where the person speaking in tongue's was actually blaspheming God. Since most every person that does this does not know what they are saying nor the people around them, what good is it and how does it edify the church? I mentioned previously that I have yet to see an interpretor.

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« Reply #93 on: September 23, 2010, 10:07:22 PM »
The Gift of tongues is for the edification of the church and only to be done if there is an interperter present.

The tongue you receive when you receive the spirit, is a witness to you and those around you that you have received the HOly Spirit just as did the Jews. It is for building up your faith and praying to God where only he  understands what you are saying. You may not know exactly what you are saying but you do know that you are magnifying God. There are two manifestations of tongues and that is what leads many to be confused. Pual did not have the Gift of tongues yet he spoke in tongues more than all of them. He spoke to God and by so doing built up his own faith.

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« Reply #94 on: September 23, 2010, 11:11:03 PM »
What makes  you think Paul did not have the 'Gift of Tongues?

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« Reply #95 on: September 23, 2010, 11:22:26 PM »
The Gift of tongues is for the edification of the church and only to be done if there is an interperter present.

The tongue you receive when you receive the spirit, is a witness to you and those around you that you have received the HOly Spirit just as did the Jews. It is for building up your faith and praying to God where only he  understands what you are saying. You may not know exactly what you are saying but you do know that you are magnifying God. There are two manifestations of tongues and that is what leads many to be confused. Pual did not have the Gift of tongues yet he spoke in tongues more than all of them. He spoke to God and by so doing built up his own faith.

Let us refine this statement with the word of truth...1 Corinthians 14

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« Reply #96 on: September 23, 2010, 11:49:03 PM »
1 Cor 14 is speaking of the Gifts of the Spirt with the Gift of tongues being one of those Gifts.


This is from the Book of Acts Chapter ten....these people were not being given the Gift of tongues....they were receiving the Holy Ghost.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

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« Reply #97 on: September 24, 2010, 07:55:57 AM »
The Gift of tongues is for the edification of the church and only to be done if there is an interperter present.

The tongue you receive when you receive the spirit, is a witness to you and those around you that you have received the HOly Spirit just as did the Jews. It is for building up your faith and praying to God where only he  understands what you are saying. You may not know exactly what you are saying but you do know that you are magnifying God. There are two manifestations of tongues and that is what leads many to be confused. Pual did not have the Gift of tongues yet he spoke in tongues more than all of them. He spoke to God and by so doing built up his own faith.


What makes you believe Paul did not have the Gift of tongues?

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« Reply #98 on: September 24, 2010, 08:59:57 PM »
Sorry, wasn't ignoring your first question,,just forgot to get back to you. I base it on the fact that he mentioned praying to God in tongues but never Mentioned giving a message in chruch. I think he would have mentioned that if he had. Of course, it might not have seemed necessary to mention it since he never said he had that gift.


Verse 18: I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you [Corinthians].

Verse 19: Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Apparently he knew that the tongues he spoke would not edify the church.


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« Reply #99 on: September 24, 2010, 10:16:51 PM »
Eve thanks for the answer. 

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« Reply #100 on: November 13, 2010, 04:42:21 PM »
Rom 1:21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

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« Reply #101 on: July 20, 2012, 11:22:37 AM »

Pentecostals claim that without evidence of tongues the Holy Spirit is not in you.  The Bible says Mat 7:20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

But Pentecostals claimed that you shall know them by a gift. (speaking in tongues)  Sorry pentecostal brothers but when most of you think that you are speaking in tongues you are really not.  Most of it are emotional outbursts.  And Larry the tongues are languages and yes they can be a sign.  But they are not a sign in themselves.  Any one can mimic them. I have seen them do it.  God bless us as we continue to find the truth that is in His word.

A big generalization with no visible means of support.  That is not what the majority of Pentecostal denominations 'claim' so you might want to dip your size 12 brush in a different can of paint.

As for your claims about tongues, I wouldn't know where to start.  I see many people who harbor disdain for anyone or anything labeled 'pentecostal' use the same bogus argument over and over, that tongues are just different languages and it is simply another claim with no visible means of support.  Nothing like dumping everyone in the same tarnished basket and saying if they speak in tongues, they must be faking it.  I could say the same thing about anyone who claims to be a Christian, because there are plenty of fakes.  How about if I made this statement:

"Anyone can mimic Christianity.  I have seen them do it."

Does that then mean that everyone who claims to be a Christian is a fake?  Zero validity.  Some fake it = All fake it is circular logic.

Should I pidgeon-hole you into a certain negative slot because you seem to like to go around criticizing Pentecostals?  Does everyone get to play the blame game?


 ::amen!:: ::clappingoverhead:: I know that its been awhile since anyone has posted here, but I couldn't help it. I am amazed at some of the things I read in these threads. It saddens me to see us at each others throats. It is important for us to remember that we should not be comparing ourselves to another, we are individuals, all delt with indivdualy by our Father. He has no favorits. To bash one church for their gift is not right. We all have gifts that God planed for us before the foundations of the world, so telling someone that speaks in tounges that they must be faking it is horrible. We also need to know that by speaking badly or against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin.1Jn 5:16  If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. This refers back to Matt 12;31,32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Not saying that anyoe here has done that just a warning to tread lightly when speaking of The Spirit of God. The Word of God says that
1Co 12:1  Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
1Co 12:2  Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
1Co 12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:4  Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5  And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6  And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9  To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10  To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
1Co 12:12  For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Co 12:13  For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Co 12:14  For the body is not one member, but many.
These gifts are given to us as God planned. Wedo not all have the same gifts. I have been blessed with the Git of healing and teaching, but I also speak in tounges. The gifts are given to us as God sees fit.
These gifts where given to us by Christ JesusEph 4:1  I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2  With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3  Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4  There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6  One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7  But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8  Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9  (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10  He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15  But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16  From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

We must stop the spirit of pride from creaping in. My way may not be your way but who am I to ever tell you that you are wrong and vis versa. I we could concentrate more on Gods will for our life so that we may prove what is that good,and acceptable, and perfect will of God, we wouldn't be worried  if someone agrees with the way you beleive or not. Becoming distracted from your personal walk is a dieception of our common enemy. I am not at all telling anyone not to preach or teachthe Gospel I am saying that we should all have our own understanding of Gods word and not depend on others for understanding. Anyway I could go on forever and I don't know if anyone is even going to read this. I was led to say something so I did. God bless you all.

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« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2012, 01:21:13 AM »
Hi, Hartofgold - I read your post and thank you for it.  I also read some of the other posts and it is so sad that there is so much misunderstanding about tongues.  People have it so tangled up because of things they hear others say that I just let out a big sigh and wish  that I could sit down with them for a while and to talk it over.  It's such a beautiful gift, as they all are, that it's a shame it's being treated the way it is.


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« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2012, 04:28:08 AM »
The Gift of tongues is for the edification of the church and only to be done if there is an interperter present.

The tongue you receive when you receive the spirit, is a witness to you and those around you that you have received the HOly Spirit just as did the Jews. It is for building up your faith and praying to God where only he  understands what you are saying. You may not know exactly what you are saying but you do know that you are magnifying God. There are two manifestations of tongues and that is what leads many to be confused. Pual did not have the Gift of tongues yet he spoke in tongues more than all of them. He spoke to God and by so doing built up his own faith.


 Yup you have got it right here. The gift of tongues is different from the language that God gives us to use in private just to Him. The gift is it be used in church where God gives a word through a person using that gift. There will then be an interpretation. The prayer language that we have is for our own edification and for praying to God with.  ::smile::

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« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2012, 04:34:17 AM »
Lavender I so agree. Anything given to us by God is to be treasured and valued.
This always happens when this gift is mentioned though and I think its because it is a powerful gift.