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The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).

 Question: Has anyone ever seen something come from nothing? If you have, your eyes are lying to you.
 Question: Do you believe something can come from nothing? If you do, you are lying to yourself.

 This hasn't stopped secularists - bent on denying their Creator - from making up fanciful and unscientific theories to sooth their consciences. Here are some quotes:


 "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing...Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." (Stephen Hawking: 'God did not create the Universe'; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493).

 "But the latest scientific consensus asserts that the universe sprang naturally from nothing because the total energy of the universe equals zero (thanks to negative energy). Nature abhors a void and fills it with quantum fluctuations." ('Is Everybody 100% Positive There is no God?', http://www.atheistnexus.org).

 Richard Dawkins: "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years AFTER THE UNIVERSE EVOLVED OUT OF LITERALLY NOTHING is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice." ('From tail to tale on the path of pilgrims in life', The Scotsman, April 9, 2005).

 "It is rather fantastic to realize that the laws of physics can describe how everything was created in a random quantum fluctuation out of nothing, and how over the course of 15 billion years, matter could organize in such complex ways that we have human beings sitting here, talking, doing things intentionally." (Alan Harvey Guth, theoretical physicist and cosmologist, Discover Magazine, April 1, 2002)

 "To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something." (Discover Magazine, 'Physics & Math/Cosmology').

 "To understand these facts we have to turn to science. Where did they all come from, and how did they get so darned outrageous? Well, it all started with nothing." ('Fifty Outrageous Animal Facts', Animal Planet).

 "Few people are aware of the fact that many modern physicists claim that things -- perhaps even the entire universe -- can indeed arise from nothing via natural processes." ('Creation ex nihilo -- Without God', 1997, Atheist, Mark I. Vuletic).

 "This initial paucity of information is consistent with the notion that the universe sprang from nothing." ( 'The Universe Sprang From Nothing', Seth Lloyd, Physicist).

 "Assuming the universe came from nothing, it is empty to begin with . . . Only by the constant action of an agent outside the universe, such as God, could a state of nothingness be maintained. The fact that we have something is just what we would expect if there is no God." (Victor J. Stenger, atheist, Prof. Physics, University of Hawaii. Author of, 'God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist').

 "Even if we don't have a precise idea of exactly what took place at the beginning, we can at least see that the origin of the universe from nothing need not be unlawful or unnatural or unscientific." (Paul Davies, physicist, Arizona State University).

 "Some physicists believe our universe was created by colliding with another, but Kaku [a theoretical physicist at City University of New York] says it also may have sprung from nothing . . . " (Scienceline.org)

 "Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the big bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this possibility. (Pagels, 1982, 247. 'How the Universe can come from Nothing').

 "The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere." (Discover magazine, April 2002).

 "Space and time both started at the Big Bang and therefore there was nothing before it." (Cornell University 'Ask an Astronomer').

 "It is now becoming clear that everything can -- and probably did -- come from nothing." (Robert A. J. Matthews, physicist, Ashton University, England).

 "Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know." (All About Science).

 "So now you have an idea of just what went on in the early Universe, and how we got from nothing to something. But if you want the really short version, it runs like this, 'First there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang, and energy cooled down into matter, and we're made of matter, so here we are." (Karl S. Kruszelnicki, News in Science).

 "If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity." (Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff, 'A Universe from Nothing').

 "It's no miracle, it requires no magic man in the sky, particle/anti-particle pairs just pop into existence constantly." (PZ Myers, Something Comes From Nothing; Pharyngula, February 3, 2011).

“The universe is flat. It has zero total energy and it could have begun from nothing ...
 If you have nothing in quantum mechanics, you'll always get something. It's that simple.”
(Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss, 'A Universe From Nothing', October 21, 2009, Atheist Alliance International event).

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.” (Professor Stephen Hawking, 'Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God', September 2, 2010, The Guardian Online).


 Question: Why do so many scientists with PhDs believe all matter in the universe came from nothing? That is, mega-tons of dirt and rock - from nothing! They know the standard laws of physics. So why?

 Jesus gave us the answer: The Narrow and Wide Gates (Matthew 7):

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

 We will notice that Jesus made no mention of educational status. This is because, whether we on the broad road running away from God or on the narrow road running to God, our education and intellect is not the key - instead, the key is our motives and attitudes.

Matthew 5: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

 Question: What is the condition of your heart? Are you prejudiced against God?

 Instead of entertaining fairy tales (which violate the laws of physics) about how everything came from nothing, we all need to heed these words:

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." (Matthew 7)

 "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29).

 Do this experiment: Pray God would open you eyes, then read the Bible daily with an open mind. I suggest starting at Matthew.


 What do you think?
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The Big Bang is non-science.  But, if you want a relevant position at a university, you can't have it if you object to the Big Bang.

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It is tragically ironic that scientists against creation and the existence/pre-existence of God base that theory on the idea that "God cannot have existed out of nothing, because 'something,' can not simply manifest from nothing. " Yet the "big bang," can somehow happen out of nothing...the unintentional creation of the universe can happen out of nothing. By their own primary logic they both invalidate their own position while supporting the biblical claims of Godly/divine/intelligent creation.

Furthermore let us look at some of science's arguments in relation to scripture.

1) Science claims that the world could not be created in 6-7 days but had to be over millions of years; however, Genesis claims otherwise.

    We must look at things in context and from a "heavenly," perspective here, and they are outlined in this article: Question: Doesn’t 2 Peter 3:8 indicate that the days of creation might not be literal, but thousands of years long?

Answer: 2 Peter 3:8–9 reads:

‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
The first thing to note that the context has nothing to do with the days of creation. Also, it is not defining a day because it doesn’t say ‘a day is a thousand years’. The correct understanding is derived from the context—the Apostle Peter’s readers should not lose heart because God seems slow at fulfilling His promises because He is patient, and also because He is not bound by time as we are.

The text says ‘one day is like [or as] a thousand years’—the word ‘like’ (or ‘as’) shows that it is a figure of speech, called a simile, to teach that God is outside of time (because He is the Creator of time itself). In fact, the figure of speech is so effective in its intended aim precisely because the day is literal and contrasts so vividly with 1000 years—to the eternal Creator of time, a short period of time and a long period of time may as well be the same.

The fact that the passage is actually contrasting a short and long period can be shown by the fact that Peter is quoting Psalm 90:4 (Peter’s statement ‘do not forget’ implies that his readers were expected to recall something, and this passage has this very teaching). This reads:

‘For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.’
This is synonymous parallelism, where a long period of a thousand years is contrasted with two short periods: a day, and a night watch. But those who try to use this verse to teach that the days of Genesis might be 1000 years long forget the additional part in bold. For if they were consistent, they would have to say that a watch in the night here also means 1000 years. It’s difficult to imagine that a Psalmist (Psalm 63:6) is thinking on his bed for thousands of years or that his eyes stay open for thousands of years (Psalm 119:148).

The immediate context of the Psalm is the frailty of mere mortal man in comparison to God. This verse amplifies the teaching, saying that no matter how long a time interval is from man’s time-bound perspective, it’s like a twinkling of an eye from God’s eternal perspective.

In any case, the meaning of ‘day’ in Genesis 1 is defined by the context there—the Hebrew word for day, yôm יום , is used with the words ‘evening’ and ‘morning’, and the days are numbered (first day, second day, etc.). Whenever yôm is used in such a context, it is always an ordinary day, never a long period of time. The meaning of the days of creation as ordinary days is also affirmed by Exodus 20:8–11, where God told the Israelites to work for six days and rest on the seventh because God had made all things in six days and rested on the seventh.

  In essence science and scripture may actually be saying the same thing; there is just an imperfect translation of the numerative property here in relation to the time frame and how it equates to time in the Spirit...6 days in God's eyes may well be hundreds of millions of years to man...

2) Scientists proclaim we were not created but evolved slowly from originating organisms in the very muck of the earth. Well does scripture not say we were formed from the very earth itself?? Given the time correlation alluded to above could it be that these two are also in agreement on principle but not in terminology??LOL!

   In the end, truth will remain truth whether one sees it, accepts it or not. However if we stop looking for fault in others maybe we will see clearly to grasp that we are two sides fighting over the same truth in misguided misappropriation of the terminology used!

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I will clarify however here, as the articles author backtracks and promotes a deceptive ideology at the end. After thoroughly expounding the inaccurate numerative translation, and asserting that "one day is not merely as 1000," years but an illustration comparative to the concept of a distinct separation of time's relevance to God's eternal nature and man's measure of time. This is merely a symbolism; not an exact equation giving a specific formula to equate time's passing in the spiritual realm. Ie, "one day" can mean "one day," "one thousand days," "one year," "one thousand years," and so on. Ironically his closing statements would invalidate his entire foundation for the first 85% of the article..LOL. In the end we must at least consider the possibility that time to an endless and beginningless being such as God may in fact be as far separated from ourunderstanding of time that "one day," to us can indeed be millions of years to God. just food for thought

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There is no principle of physics that says matter cannot be created.   

There are many observable physical phenomena that arise in interactions involving virtual particles. For bosonic particles that exhibit rest mass when they are free and actual, virtual interactions are characterized by the relatively short range of the force interaction produced by particle exchange. Examples of such short-range interactions are the strong and weak forces, and their associated field bosons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle

The irony here is that the big bang theory was first proposed by a devout Christian,(Georges Lemaître) and was assailed by a strict atheist (Fred Hoyle).    If God produced the universe from nothing, why would that be an issue?

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The Big Bang is non-science.  But, if you want a relevant position at a university, you can't have it if you object to the Big Bang.

Scientists who have university positions frequently question the big bang.  The alternative is that the universe has always existed.   This is why atheists assailed the big bang theory.  It proposed a moment of creation.

The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

The widely accepted age of the universe, as estimated by general relativity, is 13.8 billion years. In the beginning, everything in existence is thought to have occupied a single infinitely dense point, or singularity. Only after this point began to expand in a "Big Bang" did the universe officially begin.

Although the Big Bang singularity arises directly and unavoidably from the mathematics of general relativity, some scientists see it as problematic because the math can explain only what happened immediately after—not at or before—the singularity.

"The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there," Ahmed Farag Ali at Benha University and the Zewail City of Science and Technology, both in Egypt, told Phys.org.

Ali and coauthor Saurya Das at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada, have shown in a paper published in Physics Letters B that the Big Bang singularity can be resolved by their new model in which the universe has no beginning and no end.

https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html#jCp

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Something coming from nothing is exactly what Genesis claims.


It is impossible for Science to test any hypothesis of what caused the Big Bang.  God Created and Multiverses are pretty much equally religious explanations as they cannot be tested by scientific method.


Matter is actually little discrete packets of energy existing in quantum fields.  IOW everything that exists is actually energy.  Matter is just a form of energy that's collected into compact form and has mass.


But you still have to ask, where did the energy come from?  We know it came from the Singularity.  We can look back in time and see things through our telescopes.  But that doesn't explain why or how the Big Bang happened.


Ultimately, we still come back to "In the beginning God created."

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Ultimately, we still come back to "In the beginning God created."


Exactly! We just have to accept that God did it in His way.

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The big bang is not an atheistic theory.  There may be atheists who believe the big bang; but that doesn't make the theory atheistic.

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The big bang is not an atheistic theory.  There may be atheists who believe the big bang; but that doesn't make the theory atheistic.


Interestingly enough, you won't find any atheists that believe the world is 6000 years old, there just isn't any evidence to support it.

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But you still have to ask, where did the energy come from?  We know it came from the Singularity.  We can look back in time and see things through our telescopes.  But that doesn't explain why or how the Big Bang happened.

If the Zero Energy people are right, the universe has a net energy of zero, but divided into equal positive and negative energies.    We observe pair of particles and antiparticles spontaneously appearing out of nothing, and then coming together and becoming nothing again.

So creation ex nihilo seems to be completely consistent with what we see in His universe.