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Re: Can a Christian support evolution?
« Reply #385 on: Sun Jun 09, 2019 - 14:16:20 »
I don't see much of that.   At present, the calls for restricting the Bill of rights is coming from the right.
If I didn't think you were serious about that, it would be funny. Progressives, beginning officially with Woodrow Wilson, have been trying to get rid of the Constitution. The Constitution, since it protects the individual from intrusion by the State, is anathema to the Left.  Orwell's 1984 is on the verge of being played out big time by the Left.  If Trump fails to win in 2020, I truly believe that the US will become just one more Leftist controlled nation taken to destruction.  Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Progressivism and Naziism all stand in defiance of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

That you think otherwise puts you right smack dab in the heart of the Left.  You might think of yourself as a Libertarian, but so much of what you post here stands in stark contrast to that. And I find that very sad.

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Re: Can a Christian support evolution?
« Reply #386 on: Mon Jun 10, 2019 - 10:28:36 »
If I didn't think you were serious about that, it would be funny. Progressives, beginning officially with Woodrow Wilson, have been trying to get rid of the Constitution. The Constitution, since it protects the individual from intrusion by the State, is anathema to the Left.

It doesn't appear so.   Joe McCarthy was brought down by the left, not the right.   Civil Rights was pretty much the left working to make the Constitution apply to all.   The right was focused on "States Rights" which they said were more important than individual rights.   The biggest exception I know of, is Antifa, which echoes the people they hate, in declaring that some people don't deserve the right of free speech.

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Orwell's 1984 is on the verge of being played out big time by the Left.  If Trump fails to win in 2020, I truly believe that the US will become just one more Leftist controlled nation taken to destruction.

From my perspective, the fact that we are so divided at this time, would prevent that from happening.   If Trump makes good on his ""I like taking guns away early, take the guns first, go through due process second" plan, make no mistake about it.   That won't be the last rights you lose.   But he'll never manage it.   If he were to do something like that, the rest of the government would step in and stop him.   And if they didn't, the people would take to the streets and do it themselves.

Likewise, if there was a democrat inclined to take away guns, it would never happen.   People are too divided to ever let someone do it.

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That you think otherwise puts you right smack dab in the heart of the Left.  You might think of yourself as a Libertarian, but so much of what you post here stands in stark contrast to that.

Pretty much every one of those 'where do you stand politically' quizzes puts me more libertarian than anything else.    So there is that.   

 

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Re: Can a Christian support evolution?
« Reply #387 on: Mon Jun 10, 2019 - 12:57:16 »
It doesn't appear so.   Joe McCarthy was brought down by the left, not the right. 
You can criticize the Joe McCarthy in his approach to the problem of Communists in our midst, some with governmental authority, but you really can't ignore the fact that he was right in his assessment of the real threat of communist subversion. 
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Civil Rights was pretty much the left working to make the Constitution apply to all.
Had it not been for the Republicans, President Johnson would have never been able to get his Civil Rights Act of 1964 to his desk to sign.  Democrats split their vote 152 (61%) to 96 (39%) while Republicans split theirs 138 (80%) to 34 (20%). The no vote consisted of 74% Democrats. Interestingly it is the Democrats who in the past have always been in favor of segregation until just very recently.  If you read any decent history on the subject at all you will see that. 
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The right was focused on "States Rights" which they said were more important than individual rights.
In the context of the Constitution of the United States, the issue of "States Rights" is and always have been the issue grounded in individual rights. This goes back at least to Woodrow Wilson who spoke out against the Constitution both as a university president and as President of the United States.
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The biggest exception I know of, is Antifa, which echoes the people they hate, in declaring that some people don't deserve the right of free speech.
Antifa, Black Lives Matter, MoveOn.Org, most college and university administrators, etc. etc.  The irony gets even worse when you understand that Antifa, which means Anti Fascist, are themselves the Fascists.

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Re: Can a Christian support evolution?
« Reply #388 on: Mon Jun 10, 2019 - 18:03:34 »
You can criticize the Joe McCarthy in his approach to the problem of Communists in our midst, some with governmental authority, but you really can't ignore the fact that he was right in his assessment of the real threat of communist subversion.

Wasn't just his approach; he went after thousands of innocent people, and (perhaps inadvertently) in the Fort Monmouth "investigation" helped some real Soviet spies escape when he went after innocent people, giving the real spies cover long enough for them to safely flee.   In once case, he attacked a scientist working there as a communist, because the scientist's brother had decades ago, attended a meeting where Paul Robson had spoken, and the scientist knew his brother.

McCarthy made his critical error in claiming the U.S. Army was riddled with communists, when the Army resisted his efforts to give G. David Schine (a "close friend" of McCarthy's aid Roy Cohn) special privileges as an enlisted man.   At the hearings, Joseph Welch, the lawyer for the Army dismantled McCarthy in a notable exchange:

"Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild ... Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator; you've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

Exposed on national television, McCarthy was eventually censured and died in well-earned disgrace. 

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Had it not been for the Republicans, President Johnson would have never been able to get his Civil Rights Act of 1964 to his desk to sign.

Had it not been for the liberals and moderates.   Every liberal and moderate voted for it, regardless of party.    Nearly every conservative voted against it, regardless of party.   Barry Goldwater at least took a principled stand, refusing to support it on Constitutional grounds.   He was wrong, but he wasn't a racist.

It was a confrontation between liberals and conservatives, and the liberals won.   It is, ultimately why conservatives left the democrat party and became republicans.

Until the 1960s, the democrats were the party of segregation.  It wasn't until Nixon's southern strategy that racists left the democrat party en masse.   Today, the republicans have that vote secured, and their base of power is in the old south formerly held by democrats. 

Things change.    What didn't change was the difference between liberals and conservatives regarding civil rights.   


 

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Re: Can a Christian support evolution?
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