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Ibin Al Nur
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2009, 11:32:35 PM »
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as we all agree god the almighty created everything. from the grain of sand to the mightest star in the sky. so as god created all it must include evil to. nothing is pure good or pure evil. remember when jesus was asked GOOD TEACHER jesus replied WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD THERE'S ONLY ONE WHO IS GOOD { GOD HIMSELF }. like alcohol it does have some good. used as an anthetic to lightin pain and things like that but it has it's bad side to. and the bad out ways the good so we refrain from it's use.
 as for people we all have the same copairison within us. both the good and the evil. only though faith in god ,prayer, fasting and contimplation then repentence can we bring forth the good so that it out ways the bad and gain gods forgiveness. so even though god distroyed vile and "evil" peoples in the past and today the good which is hidden behind the evil is distroyed along with it. the evil out wighed the good.

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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2009, 07:54:22 PM »

Dear Ibin Al Nur, there was the knowledge of good and evil, but God says in
James 1:13-15: And to me God did not create iniquity; it was found in man.
 
13   Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14   But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15   Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
 
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2009, 11:27:54 PM »
Quote from: larry2 on July 03, 2009, 07:54:22 PM

Dear Ibin Al Nur, there was the knowledge of good and evil, but God says in
James 1:13-15: And to me God did not create iniquity; it was found in man.
 
13   Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14   But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15   Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
  
In Jesus' name - larry2


I agree. gods creation is perfect with out flaw. the only evil in the world comes forth from man. My wording was flawed.
  In a non cononical text they say to jesus " lord you have explained everything in detail to us but one thing. What is the evil in this world. jesus replied " there is no evil in this world. the only evil that exsists is that which comes from the hearts of man. " basicly the same teaching you have shared .
may god keep your eyes and ears open. to help and correct me. and also to always keep your mind clear and open to truths
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2009, 02:25:39 PM »
Quote from: Ibin Al Nur on July 03, 2009, 11:27:54 PM
Quote from: larry2 on July 03, 2009, 07:54:22 PM

Dear Ibin Al Nur, there was the knowledge of good and evil, but God says in
James 1:13-15: And to me God did not create iniquity; it was found in man.
 
13   Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14   But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15   Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
 
In Jesus' name - larry2


I agree. gods creation is perfect with out flaw. the only evil in the world comes forth from man. My wording was flawed.
  In a non cononical text they say to jesus " lord you have explained everything in detail to us but one thing. What is the evil in this world. jesus replied " there is no evil in this world. the only evil that exsists is that which comes from the hearts of man. " basicly the same teaching you have shared .
may god keep your eyes and ears open. to help and correct me. and also to always keep your mind clear and open to truths
thank you
al nur

The Bible clearly reveals that " God's creation was without flaw " but is no longer so (see Rom. 8:19-23).

Since the Fall, the entire creation, though ordered in perfection by Divine design, is out of sync with God's blueprint. There is no longer the perfection that God ordained when He proclaimed in Gen. 1:31, " And God saw that everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good..."

God has extended His goodness out of mercy and for the fulfillment of his covenant with His elect people, to ensure that the world is not destroyed until the day that He has purposed to fully consummate His plan for mankind (as per 2 Peter 3:10-13). 

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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2009, 12:29:47 AM »
Quote from: B-man on June 19, 2009, 04:14:07 PM
Seems to me that because from God only goods proceed that it would be wholly against God's nature to destroy any type of good.  Am interested in hearing opinions.

While I truly enjoyed the quesiton of ethics and meta ethics and whose ethics are we discussing they, by and large, skidded by the point.  Be that as it may the answer is simple.  Can light destroy light?  Does abolition of the grey clouding shadow covering a thing destroy the light that still illuminated it?  Of course not. 

Counter arguments attempt to justify that the world is grey and that to abolish the grey is to diminish or abolish what is innately "man" whithout considering that what is "man" is still man when the grey is abolished as surely as a prisoner released is still the same man once the shackles have fallen from them.
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2009, 12:48:52 AM »
God is god.
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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2009, 09:25:58 AM »
Quote from: B-man on June 19, 2009, 04:14:07 PM
Seems to me that because from God only goods proceed that it would be wholly against God's nature to destroy any type of good.  Am interested in hearing opinions.

As "God is Love" he cannot destroy good; that is good from his view, which may not be the same in a human mind!
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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2009, 10:01:01 AM »
Quote from: B-man on June 19, 2009, 04:14:07 PM
Seems to me that because from God only goods proceed that it would be wholly against God's nature to destroy any type of good.  Am interested in hearing opinions.
God's 10 Commandments as found in Exodus 20:3-17 is a good example of the Christian world trying to do away with some of God's Laws....which God had pronounced as good, just and Holy.

Elsewhere in the Bible God said HIS Law is the truth.

Why then do some so-called Christians try to ignore, or reject what God wants people to do ?

God says: Eccl.  12:13   Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.  [/b]

Yet, the vast majority of the Christian world fights against what God says here ....WHY ?
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2009, 12:09:05 PM »
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Quote from: B-man on June 19, 2009, 04:14:07 PM
Seems to me that because from God only goods proceed that it would be wholly against God's nature to destroy any type of good.  Am interested in hearing opinions.
God's 10 Commandments as found in Exodus 20:3-17 is a good example of the Christian world trying to do away with some of God's Laws....which God had pronounced as good, just and Holy.

Elsewhere in the Bible God said HIS Law is the truth.

Why then do some so-called Christians try to ignore, or reject what God wants people to do ?

God says: Eccl.  12:13   Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.  [/b]

Yet, the vast majority of the Christian world fights against what God says here ....WHY ?
I don't see that this response has anything to do with the question asked.  You are making arguments for doctrine.  The question is metaphysical.  In order to properly answer it, we have to set aside doctrine and concentrate only on the question asked: Can God logically destroy good?
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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2009, 12:43:03 PM »
Quote from: B-man on October 25, 2009, 12:09:05 PM
In order to properly answer it, we have to set aside doctrine and concentrate only on the question asked: Can God logically destroy good?
The answer is.... no.

And God explains why, in the Bible.
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2009, 06:38:10 PM »
"Can God logically destroy good?"

In my opinion. If He is God than the logicall thinking can not handle Him, I mean if He would be under "power" of logic than He is no God. I believe that He can work in our life by the logic but it is not definitive, because He is not definitive He simply "Is".

Question also is :What is "good"? Confused 
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2009, 08:08:44 PM »
Quote from: mordechai on October 25, 2009, 06:38:10 PM
"Can God logically destroy good?"

In my opinion. If He is God than the logicall thinking can not handle Him, I mean if He would be under "power" of logic than He is no God. I believe that He can work in our life by the logic but it is not definitive, because He is not definitive He simply "Is".
It was not claimed in the OP that human reason can "handle" God, nor that God is under the power of logic.

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Question also is :What is "good"? Confused 
Good is the name we give things derived from the true.  Jesus stated He is Truth.  I think truth is the purest quality or state of being possible, and that anything that contains some degree of truth will be found to be "good" to that same degree.  This would not apply directly to inorganic matter, but applies by degree in organic or life-bearing entities and in intuited value like the moral law.
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2009, 04:23:07 PM »
"Good is the name we give things derived from the true.  Jesus stated He is Truth.  I think truth is the purest quality or state of being possible, and that anything that contains some degree of truth will be found to be "good" to that same degree.  This would not apply directly to inorganic matter, but applies by degree in organic or life-bearing entities and in intuited value like the moral law."


I agree, than the “good” can be named only by examining of the true. I see just one problem. Jesus said “I am the Truth”, and I believe so. But He also said when He was asked “Why do you call me good, only God is good!”. I think that one of the reason why He said this was to simply show the real and only source of meaning “good”. Because otherwise what is good for you doesn´t need to be good for me. I see the “truth” with two faces. One is like “information” coming to me. As true can became only if I put my trust into it. The other is when I taste it and name it as “good” or not and put it into practise or not. Than the “truth” is becoming real for me. I think more than the ”truth” is important the source of the truth, who is saying “I am the truth”. For me Jesus as truth is by his words, by his deeds, by his life and message. But I can experience this only by examine him as source of the “Truth”.  And that is possible only by the way of faith...

I know that I am going little aside from the main question, so sorry about that

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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2009, 06:51:57 AM »
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I see the “truth” with two faces. One is like “information” coming to me. As true can became only if I put my trust into it. The other is when I taste it and name it as “good” or not and put it into practise or not. Than the “truth” is becoming real for me.
This is an interesting take on truth, Mordechai, thanks for your thoughts.  To my thinking, truth in material things exists only in the mind, as when truth is in a work of art to the extent it represents what the artist intended, or in a building to the degree it serves the purpose it was designed for by the builder.  To me the subjective element in truth is tied to inorganic matter in just this way.  Truth in organic matter or life-bearing entities is truth of another sort, and this form of truth, as Aristotle seems to have noticed, differs in that it is objective.  This is absolute truth which governs moral laws.  I believe it's this latter kind of truth Jesus identified Himself with.
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2009, 08:14:27 PM »
 What's with the stupid question ?

Can God destroy Himself...as HE is the essence of everything that is good ?
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