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« on: April 22, 2009, 10:39:44 AM »

What are ethics, in the Kingdom of God?
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 06:44:04 PM »

Ethics, in any system, are the ways in which your apply your morality or values. To behave ethically, is to act with integrity regarding your moral or value standard.

With that said, doing anything with a (true) caring and nurturing impetus is ethical in the Kingdom.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009, 10:07:09 AM »

HRoberson

thanks for the reply

The difficulty I have with your response is:

How can what ever some one truly cares about be of value in the Kingdom of God? Mankind can (truly care) about anything that is, or is not of value in the Kingdom of God.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 09:22:16 PM »

I didn't say "care about," I said "caring."

The implication is that you are caring about someone else.

If that's the case, then you will be acting ethically.

Why? Because God is other-centered, and we are made/called to live in His character.

So, if you are other-centered, if your behavior is caring and nurturing, you're ethical within the Kingdom.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 01:20:41 PM »

The wicked care about others as long as they are like them, for they love themselves and therefore love others like themselves, for they see themselves in the others they love, and despise those that are not like them. That’s not ethical in the Kingdom of God. It is? Just what kingdom are you talking about? The kingdom of man's love, where he justifies himself as God like proclaiming love is god and proclaims the right to define what love is, because the man can love, thus making up his own god according to his own love. Therefore teaching and insisting others serve his loves. Giving him self-proclaimed right to tolerate or condemn according to his loves.

Or the Kingdom of God where it is God’s Love that Justifies. For God is Love therefore no one defines God nor Love. And anything Justifiable before God is of God. Prov:16:11: A just weight and balance are the LORD's: all the weights of the bag are his work.  (Not the works of men).

Self fulfillment and justification in one’s acts toward others means nothing. It is the fulfillment of God’s Word which is an act of God that is Justified before God for it is of God.

The Kingdom of God is God centered only; for all those in the Kingdom of God look toward God the Father through the Son and in the Holy Spirit to Live, and Be, in the presence of Living God Almighty the most High.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2009, 11:53:39 PM »

We're gonna have to disagree on this one.

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 11:28:58 AM »

Simple.

What are the moral standards of the Kingdom?

Then any action which upholds those moral standards is ethical.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 01:06:30 PM »

Sorry if I seemed so unspecific on this. I am try to find where to start from. If you noticed the subject is treaded with disregard and insignificance, and yet when you look at a subjects like politics or what people think what other people ought to do or be, where are the ethics then, and why are they not considered important? The world sees the true moral content of the ones who say they believe.


Is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to condemn anything?
Is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to tolerate anything?
Or is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to forgive everything?

Is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to think to know good and evil? If so; then of what tree are the fruits one would be eating?

Or is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to eat of the Tree of Life? And share therein and of?

Thanks again for the replies.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 10:55:33 PM »

Is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to condemn anything?
Depends. If you mean, should I take it upon myself to consign someone to Hell, the answer is "no." If on the other hand, you mean that I should understand that some things are compatible with human (Christian) life, then "yes."
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Is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to tolerate anything?
It is ethical to tolerate the shortcomings of others, just as God tolerates mine.
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Or is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to forgive everything?
Yes.

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Is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to think to know good and evil? If so; then of what tree are the fruits one would be eating?
Yes. Paul encourages us to grow into the knowledge of God's will. He encourages us to be of like mind not only with others, but to actually have the mind of Christ. Apparently we are to know - and to know we know something.

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Or is it ethical in the Kingdom of God to eat of the Tree of Life? And share therein and of?
I'm assuming these last two questions are allegorical. Should we take hold of the life that is in Christ? I think the only answer can be "yes."
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 03:30:17 PM »

HRoberson

Thanks for the reply


I believe you may mean discernment in this answer which would be different then condemnation as I understand it to be so. Some thing like; There is no new root to the tree. There is only One Root of which all the tree and it’s branches and it leaves live and bear fruit. Therefore if it be not of the Root it be not of the tree, nor does it belong to the tree, nor should be nourished by the tree. Which is not a condemnation, but a discernment of what is the Light, or of the Light (so to speak) and what is not.

But in respect of what condemnation is:

Gen:1:31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

John:1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: The same was in the beginning with God.
3: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


I don’t believe this splitting hairs as some might think, reason being to condemn is to pronounce an adverse judgement on; to express strong disapproval of, censure, blame. Or said of witnesses and acts: To procure the condemnation of, to bring about the conviction of. And is this not what Adam did before the Voice of the Lord.

For their (Adam and Eve) state of being was Gen:2:25: And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

To Gen:3:9: And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10: And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11: And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked?  Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12: And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Notice that Adam ashamed blamed not only the woman but also implied blame to God for it was  God that gave him the woman. In his own condemnation (shame) seeking the condemnation of the others involved. Completely the opposite of what Jesus did. Jesus toke the blame and punishment for what He did not do, for the sake of those who did. Which condemns no one, and gives Life to all who believe and receive. Since Jesus has no condemnation for anything that God has made, and considering that all God made declared by God to be “very good”; what is there of creation that has the right to condemn anything that God has made? Since the Creator has declared it good.

We are not the judges of the Lord’s domain for He even has the keys to the gates of hell. Be careful here, for Jesus came in the flesh and restored the domain given to man to the Right Hand of the Father. But by discernment which is a gift of His Spirit therefore of Him it is to be understood for the sake of the brethren what is of Light, and is not.

But I would consider my friend in Christ Jesus, that condemnation of anything God has made before God, would be unwise. Reason being that in Jesus is redemption and restoration of which is condemned of it’s own condemnation (judged according it’s own judgement), which would not make sense that it could be done through condemnation of anything.



To tolerate is to endure, sustain (pain or hardship) and pain causes anger and therefore why would it be required to become angry? Should one be reliant on one’s own strength to endure, sustain (pain or hardship)? If one think oneself strong enough sooner or later he will be angry and condemn in his heart. Why? Because he is owed for the offence and therefore judge when it is the Lord that teaches to forgive. Hold on to nothing, but the Word of God.

Hence you agree it is ethical to forgive everything. And why it is taught by the Lord Jesus? One, to be forgiven one must forgive “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”. This is required; consider what the Lord had to forgive of those around Him when He walked with men in the flesh, for anything not like Him would be offensive to Him, and rightly so. And also consider what He forgives you every day, that you may be in His presence by the power of His Holy Spirit. Therefore what is it that one would have the right to not forgive? Needless to say this is a process and is not a walked accomplished overnight (so to speak). So it is ethical to forgive everything. Therefore nothing need be tolerated, nor condemned, for all offensiveness should be forgiven. Respecting the Lord’s Right to Judge all things.




Knowledge of Good and Evil/ Tree of Life.................... .....





It is to know Christ of which there is no evil in, just as there is no darkness in the Light. Therefore as John has said in 1st John 1:3: That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4: And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5: This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6: If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:


So, in Him is no darkness so the knowledge of darkness does not belong where the Knowledge of Light belongs. That is what fooled Adam and Eve that they should judge what is good and what is evil, rather then the eating of the fruit of the Tree if Life which is Light the of men, the Word of God our Lord Jesus Christ who is Life to all who believe. So to have the mind of Christ would require no evil or darkness in the mind. This is not to say that we shouldn’t be skilled in the competition with the enemy. But to be in the Light, the darkness has no strength against, and requires no darkness. The warrior should be skilled with his bow, that the arrow will hit true.

My concern warranted or not is that the world sees the believer as one who thinks he has the right to judge others and what they ought to be. Of which I do not believe is the duty of those in the Kingdom of God.

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 01:10:05 AM »

What are ethics, in the Kingdom of God?


There are none.  Primarily because ethics involves a personal moral choice between good and evil.  The kingdom of God contains no evil.  An evil act of any kind removes the perpetrator from the kingdom.  Since there is no evil in the kingdom, there is no moral choice.  And hence no need for ethics.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2009, 07:20:24 PM »

I disagree that an evil act  {immediately, automatically} removes one from the Kingdom.

Else it would be an empty Kingdom.
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2009, 10:11:42 AM »

janine:
   Why would it be an empty kingdom?  To believe that would imply that every single thing in creation acts in an evil manner.  That's nonsensical.  The kingdom is full of many things.  I suspect you mean that heaven may be a little sparse on people.  Which is fine by God.  Remember he unceremoniously booted two of the possible three tenants he ever had for commiting an evil act.

Are you saying that God must come to grips with man never figuring out how to act correctly?  If so, I think you need to go back and check the Bible again.  It's replete with warnings about what happens when bad people think they will go to heaven, even at the end of days.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2009, 10:23:21 AM »

What are ethics, in the Kingdom of God?

Love your neighbour as yourself. Love your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind. For on this hang all of the law and the prophets. Matt 22

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