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« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2009, 07:19:18 AM »

time flows in 2 directions:  from past to present and from future to present....

as far as time travel...if it were possible, then there could be people here on the earth that are from the future...
since the future has been here forever and ever also......

It is possible now to travel into someone else's future in the sense of using velocity to speed of their time relative to your own.  Thus if you took a trip in a space ship at speeds approaching that of light when you returned you would find that time had advanced faster relative to your own.  Those you left behind and returned to would have aged more than you had.  In that sense it is "possible" to travel into someone else's future.

However it is not possible to travel into someone else's past.  The mathematics are there.  If you pass through and exceed the speed of light, then time begins to go reverse.  But it is not possible now to travel at the speed of light let alone faster than the speed of light.
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« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2009, 10:41:35 PM »

Of course time travel is possible.  The bible proves it with all the prophecies. 
I don't follow this logic.

Think of how prophecies work.  If time only exist in the present moment, and can't flow forward or backwards, than how can prophecies work?  Inorder for prophecies to work, information from the future must be able to flow backwards in time to the recipient.   

If existence only exist in this moment that we are experiencing, than prophecies could not work because existence is no longer linear but is instead a dot, and only exist in the dot of present moment.  So how could anyone know what has not happen yet?

So since prophecies are real, with proof coming form the bible itself., ala: Revelations and more, than we know that existence is not a dot, but in fact a linear line of events, that events a-z is taking place all at once as I write this. 

Some might call what I am describing as a form of prophecy tree, where existence is not only linear, since trees have branches, but multi-linear, which results in infinite-existence. And mutiple-existence answers the time paradoxes problems, which was a tool used by anti-time travelers theorists to debunk the possibility of time travel.    Smile

so since prophecy shows informatin can travel from point b, back to point a, that shows that traveling on the linear line of existance is possible.

Don't forget, God is also a time traveler, he is both the Alpha and Omega, and he exist everywhere on the linear line at every moment.  Pondering
I suppose I conceive of prophecy as something God says He's gonna make happen, not that it already has in some linear time tree. God says, I'm going to strike Bill with lightening on July 23, and then it happens. It isn't because God saw it by traveling down the time tree, but because He made it happen when He wanted it to happen. That is not nearly the same as saying God prophecies because he's already been to next week, and comes back to report on it.

Further, since you bring it up, I'm not sure we grasp fully what "prophecy" means. Prophetic fulfillment in the NT do not seem to be of what the original hearers or speakers would have thought of as "prophecy" pointing to something in NT times. This is especially so when we realize that many NT fulfillments must be considered as secondary fulfillments of what we think are actual prophecies.

It is quite clear that Jewish use of earlier texts and events was characterized by the use of parallels, almost like one might use a proverb - to emphasize a point rather than to prove a prophetic fulfillment.

That would mean that God could not predict anything that He, himself, did not cause to happen.  That means that He could not predict anything bad that was going to happen.  He could not predict any event that resulted from evil intent.  That is a very severe limitation on what God can forsee.  It seems to me that God could not have predicted that man would sin and that He would need to have a plan in place to deal with it.  That means that the whole gospel plan was an afterthought to Adam's sin.  That is not what is the Bible says.
When I let my child out in the front yard, I know there's a pretty good chance that eventually they're going to be in the road. Did I make them? No. Did I know it was going to happen? Yup.
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« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2009, 09:58:36 AM »

Of course time travel is possible.  The bible proves it with all the prophecies. 
I don't follow this logic.

Think of how prophecies work.  If time only exist in the present moment, and can't flow forward or backwards, than how can prophecies work?  Inorder for prophecies to work, information from the future must be able to flow backwards in time to the recipient.   

If existence only exist in this moment that we are experiencing, than prophecies could not work because existence is no longer linear but is instead a dot, and only exist in the dot of present moment.  So how could anyone know what has not happen yet?

So since prophecies are real, with proof coming form the bible itself., ala: Revelations and more, than we know that existence is not a dot, but in fact a linear line of events, that events a-z is taking place all at once as I write this. 

Some might call what I am describing as a form of prophecy tree, where existence is not only linear, since trees have branches, but multi-linear, which results in infinite-existence. And mutiple-existence answers the time paradoxes problems, which was a tool used by anti-time travelers theorists to debunk the possibility of time travel.    Smile

so since prophecy shows informatin can travel from point b, back to point a, that shows that traveling on the linear line of existance is possible.

Don't forget, God is also a time traveler, he is both the Alpha and Omega, and he exist everywhere on the linear line at every moment.  Pondering
I suppose I conceive of prophecy as something God says He's gonna make happen, not that it already has in some linear time tree. God says, I'm going to strike Bill with lightening on July 23, and then it happens. It isn't because God saw it by traveling down the time tree, but because He made it happen when He wanted it to happen. That is not nearly the same as saying God prophecies because he's already been to next week, and comes back to report on it.

Further, since you bring it up, I'm not sure we grasp fully what "prophecy" means. Prophetic fulfillment in the NT do not seem to be of what the original hearers or speakers would have thought of as "prophecy" pointing to something in NT times. This is especially so when we realize that many NT fulfillments must be considered as secondary fulfillments of what we think are actual prophecies.

It is quite clear that Jewish use of earlier texts and events was characterized by the use of parallels, almost like one might use a proverb - to emphasize a point rather than to prove a prophetic fulfillment.

That would mean that God could not predict anything that He, himself, did not cause to happen.  That means that He could not predict anything bad that was going to happen.  He could not predict any event that resulted from evil intent.  That is a very severe limitation on what God can forsee.  It seems to me that God could not have predicted that man would sin and that He would need to have a plan in place to deal with it.  That means that the whole gospel plan was an afterthought to Adam's sin.  That is not what is the Bible says.
When I let my child out in the front yard, I know there's a pretty good chance that eventually they're going to be in the road. Did I make them? No. Did I know it was going to happen? Yup.

I think you just made my point and conflicted with what you wrote earlier.
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« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2009, 11:28:11 PM »

Of course time travel is possible.  The bible proves it with all the prophecies. 
I don't follow this logic.

Think of how prophecies work.  If time only exist in the present moment, and can't flow forward or backwards, than how can prophecies work?  Inorder for prophecies to work, information from the future must be able to flow backwards in time to the recipient.   

If existence only exist in this moment that we are experiencing, than prophecies could not work because existence is no longer linear but is instead a dot, and only exist in the dot of present moment.  So how could anyone know what has not happen yet?

So since prophecies are real, with proof coming form the bible itself., ala: Revelations and more, than we know that existence is not a dot, but in fact a linear line of events, that events a-z is taking place all at once as I write this. 

Some might call what I am describing as a form of prophecy tree, where existence is not only linear, since trees have branches, but multi-linear, which results in infinite-existence. And mutiple-existence answers the time paradoxes problems, which was a tool used by anti-time travelers theorists to debunk the possibility of time travel.    Smile

so since prophecy shows informatin can travel from point b, back to point a, that shows that traveling on the linear line of existance is possible.

Don't forget, God is also a time traveler, he is both the Alpha and Omega, and he exist everywhere on the linear line at every moment.  Pondering
I suppose I conceive of prophecy as something God says He's gonna make happen, not that it already has in some linear time tree. God says, I'm going to strike Bill with lightening on July 23, and then it happens. It isn't because God saw it by traveling down the time tree, but because He made it happen when He wanted it to happen. That is not nearly the same as saying God prophecies because he's already been to next week, and comes back to report on it.

Further, since you bring it up, I'm not sure we grasp fully what "prophecy" means. Prophetic fulfillment in the NT do not seem to be of what the original hearers or speakers would have thought of as "prophecy" pointing to something in NT times. This is especially so when we realize that many NT fulfillments must be considered as secondary fulfillments of what we think are actual prophecies.

It is quite clear that Jewish use of earlier texts and events was characterized by the use of parallels, almost like one might use a proverb - to emphasize a point rather than to prove a prophetic fulfillment.

That would mean that God could not predict anything that He, himself, did not cause to happen.  That means that He could not predict anything bad that was going to happen.  He could not predict any event that resulted from evil intent.  That is a very severe limitation on what God can forsee.  It seems to me that God could not have predicted that man would sin and that He would need to have a plan in place to deal with it.  That means that the whole gospel plan was an afterthought to Adam's sin.  That is not what is the Bible says.
When I let my child out in the front yard, I know there's a pretty good chance that eventually they're going to be in the road. Did I make them? No. Did I know it was going to happen? Yup.

I think you just made my point and conflicted with what you wrote earlier.
No, I didn't. In no place did I suggest that I could see the future as though it was real time for me. I simply said that the behavior is predictable - to an almost certain degree.
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« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2009, 04:44:18 AM »

Of course time travel is possible.  The bible proves it with all the prophecies. 
I don't follow this logic.

Think of how prophecies work.  If time only exist in the present moment, and can't flow forward or backwards, than how can prophecies work?  Inorder for prophecies to work, information from the future must be able to flow backwards in time to the recipient.   

If existence only exist in this moment that we are experiencing, than prophecies could not work because existence is no longer linear but is instead a dot, and only exist in the dot of present moment.  So how could anyone know what has not happen yet?

So since prophecies are real, with proof coming form the bible itself., ala: Revelations and more, than we know that existence is not a dot, but in fact a linear line of events, that events a-z is taking place all at once as I write this. 

Some might call what I am describing as a form of prophecy tree, where existence is not only linear, since trees have branches, but multi-linear, which results in infinite-existence. And mutiple-existence answers the time paradoxes problems, which was a tool used by anti-time travelers theorists to debunk the possibility of time travel.    Smile

so since prophecy shows informatin can travel from point b, back to point a, that shows that traveling on the linear line of existance is possible.

Don't forget, God is also a time traveler, he is both the Alpha and Omega, and he exist everywhere on the linear line at every moment.  Pondering
I suppose I conceive of prophecy as something God says He's gonna make happen, not that it already has in some linear time tree. God says, I'm going to strike Bill with lightening on July 23, and then it happens. It isn't because God saw it by traveling down the time tree, but because He made it happen when He wanted it to happen. That is not nearly the same as saying God prophecies because he's already been to next week, and comes back to report on it.

Further, since you bring it up, I'm not sure we grasp fully what "prophecy" means. Prophetic fulfillment in the NT do not seem to be of what the original hearers or speakers would have thought of as "prophecy" pointing to something in NT times. This is especially so when we realize that many NT fulfillments must be considered as secondary fulfillments of what we think are actual prophecies.

It is quite clear that Jewish use of earlier texts and events was characterized by the use of parallels, almost like one might use a proverb - to emphasize a point rather than to prove a prophetic fulfillment.

That would mean that God could not predict anything that He, himself, did not cause to happen.  That means that He could not predict anything bad that was going to happen.  He could not predict any event that resulted from evil intent.  That is a very severe limitation on what God can forsee.  It seems to me that God could not have predicted that man would sin and that He would need to have a plan in place to deal with it.  That means that the whole gospel plan was an afterthought to Adam's sin.  That is not what is the Bible says.
When I let my child out in the front yard, I know there's a pretty good chance that eventually they're going to be in the road. Did I make them? No. Did I know it was going to happen? Yup.

I think you just made my point and conflicted with what you wrote earlier.
No, I didn't. In no place did I suggest that I could see the future as though it was real time for me. I simply said that the behavior is predictable - to an almost certain degree.

God knows exactly what will happen and when it will happen, because God simultaneously occupies every single point on the time continuum.  Thus proofing time travel is possible.

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« Reply #81 on: August 08, 2009, 02:30:22 PM »

Of course time travel is possible.  The bible proves it with all the prophecies. 
I don't follow this logic.

Think of how prophecies work.  If time only exist in the present moment, and can't flow forward or backwards, than how can prophecies work?  Inorder for prophecies to work, information from the future must be able to flow backwards in time to the recipient.   

If existence only exist in this moment that we are experiencing, than prophecies could not work because existence is no longer linear but is instead a dot, and only exist in the dot of present moment.  So how could anyone know what has not happen yet?

So since prophecies are real, with proof coming form the bible itself., ala: Revelations and more, than we know that existence is not a dot, but in fact a linear line of events, that events a-z is taking place all at once as I write this. 

Some might call what I am describing as a form of prophecy tree, where existence is not only linear, since trees have branches, but multi-linear, which results in infinite-existence. And mutiple-existence answers the time paradoxes problems, which was a tool used by anti-time travelers theorists to debunk the possibility of time travel.    Smile

so since prophecy shows informatin can travel from point b, back to point a, that shows that traveling on the linear line of existance is possible.

Don't forget, God is also a time traveler, he is both the Alpha and Omega, and he exist everywhere on the linear line at every moment.  Pondering
I suppose I conceive of prophecy as something God says He's gonna make happen, not that it already has in some linear time tree. God says, I'm going to strike Bill with lightening on July 23, and then it happens. It isn't because God saw it by traveling down the time tree, but because He made it happen when He wanted it to happen. That is not nearly the same as saying God prophecies because he's already been to next week, and comes back to report on it.

Further, since you bring it up, I'm not sure we grasp fully what "prophecy" means. Prophetic fulfillment in the NT do not seem to be of what the original hearers or speakers would have thought of as "prophecy" pointing to something in NT times. This is especially so when we realize that many NT fulfillments must be considered as secondary fulfillments of what we think are actual prophecies.

It is quite clear that Jewish use of earlier texts and events was characterized by the use of parallels, almost like one might use a proverb - to emphasize a point rather than to prove a prophetic fulfillment.

That would mean that God could not predict anything that He, himself, did not cause to happen.  That means that He could not predict anything bad that was going to happen.  He could not predict any event that resulted from evil intent.  That is a very severe limitation on what God can forsee.  It seems to me that God could not have predicted that man would sin and that He would need to have a plan in place to deal with it.  That means that the whole gospel plan was an afterthought to Adam's sin.  That is not what is the Bible says.
When I let my child out in the front yard, I know there's a pretty good chance that eventually they're going to be in the road. Did I make them? No. Did I know it was going to happen? Yup.

I think you just made my point and conflicted with what you wrote earlier.
No, I didn't. In no place did I suggest that I could see the future as though it was real time for me. I simply said that the behavior is predictable - to an almost certain degree.

God knows exactly what will happen and when it will happen, because God simultaneously occupies every single point on the time continuum.  Thus proofing time travel is possible.


Unfortunately, this conclusion isn't quite so plain in Scripture. It remains a conclusion that is seemingly supported by some passages (and our psychological desires to make God all-knowing), and seemingly refuted by other passages.
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« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2009, 06:33:56 PM »

With God all things are possible.

But I don't think God would allow us to know how to do it.  Our potential for screwing things up is unfathomable.  Aside from the obvious - go back in time and make a change, suddenly so-and-so isn't born.  But think how many would want to go back to Eve and tell her NOT to take that apple..... and mess with Christ's death and resurrection..... motivations good and bad, whether traveling past or future, would have dire consequences.

God knows we can't even make the right decisions with even our own lives because of our sinful nature.  I can't see Him letting us have the ability to time travel.

Unless maybe if we could only do it as observers, without interaction....


What if time-travel is actually "sideways" travel, ie. to an infinity of parallel dimensions?



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« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2009, 06:59:03 PM »

time flows in 2 directions:  from past to present and from future to present....

as far as time travel...if it were possible, then there could be people here on the earth that are from the future...
since the future has been here forever and ever also......

It is possible now to travel into someone else's future in the sense of using velocity to speed of their time relative to your own.  Thus if you took a trip in a space ship at speeds approaching that of light when you returned you would find that time had advanced faster relative to your own.  Those you left behind and returned to would have aged more than you had.  In that sense it is "possible" to travel into someone else's future.

However it is not possible to travel into someone else's past.  The mathematics are there.  If you pass through and exceed the speed of light, then time begins to go reverse.  But it is not possible now to travel at the speed of light let alone faster than the speed of light.

I believe you're right.  I agree

To propel matter at anything approaching light-speed requires infinite power. If I'm not mistaken, light itself is the only thing capable of light-speed (c)  But what if were actually possible to convert matter to energy and then back again? Or to travel by way of tesseract?  And what if light-speed is not actually the highest speed there is?  Pondering   

I know what travels faster than light ... prayer! Tipping hat  Praying hard   Praying
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« Reply #84 on: September 13, 2009, 07:12:46 PM »

Of course time travel is possible.  The bible proves it with all the prophecies. 
I don't follow this logic.

Think of how prophecies work.  If time only exist in the present moment, and can't flow forward or backwards, than how can prophecies work?  Inorder for prophecies to work, information from the future must be able to flow backwards in time to the recipient.   

If existence only exist in this moment that we are experiencing, than prophecies could not work because existence is no longer linear but is instead a dot, and only exist in the dot of present moment.  So how could anyone know what has not happen yet?

So since prophecies are real, with proof coming form the bible itself., ala: Revelations and more, than we know that existence is not a dot, but in fact a linear line of events, that events a-z is taking place all at once as I write this. 

Some might call what I am describing as a form of prophecy tree, where existence is not only linear, since trees have branches, but multi-linear, which results in infinite-existence. And mutiple-existence answers the time paradoxes problems, which was a tool used by anti-time travelers theorists to debunk the possibility of time travel.    Smile

so since prophecy shows informatin can travel from point b, back to point a, that shows that traveling on the linear line of existance is possible.

Don't forget, God is also a time traveler, he is both the Alpha and Omega, and he exist everywhere on the linear line at every moment.  Pondering
I suppose I conceive of prophecy as something God says He's gonna make happen, not that it already has in some linear time tree. God says, I'm going to strike Bill with lightening on July 23, and then it happens. It isn't because God saw it by traveling down the time tree, but because He made it happen when He wanted it to happen. That is not nearly the same as saying God prophecies because he's already been to next week, and comes back to report on it.

Further, since you bring it up, I'm not sure we grasp fully what "prophecy" means. Prophetic fulfillment in the NT do not seem to be of what the original hearers or speakers would have thought of as "prophecy" pointing to something in NT times. This is especially so when we realize that many NT fulfillments must be considered as secondary fulfillments of what we think are actual prophecies.

It is quite clear that Jewish use of earlier texts and events was characterized by the use of parallels, almost like one might use a proverb - to emphasize a point rather than to prove a prophetic fulfillment.

That would mean that God could not predict anything that He, himself, did not cause to happen.  That means that He could not predict anything bad that was going to happen.  He could not predict any event that resulted from evil intent.  That is a very severe limitation on what God can forsee.  It seems to me that God could not have predicted that man would sin and that He would need to have a plan in place to deal with it.  That means that the whole gospel plan was an afterthought to Adam's sin.  That is not what is the Bible says.
When I let my child out in the front yard, I know there's a pretty good chance that eventually they're going to be in the road. Did I make them? No. Did I know it was going to happen? Yup.

I think you just made my point and conflicted with what you wrote earlier.
No, I didn't. In no place did I suggest that I could see the future as though it was real time for me. I simply said that the behavior is predictable - to an almost certain degree.

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« Reply #85 on: September 14, 2009, 02:07:56 PM »

Look up LaPlaces Demon, it speaks to time travel, if only for a mere instant of time
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« Reply #86 on: September 14, 2009, 03:04:30 PM »

Actually, time travel to the future is in fact possible in the sense of traveling to someone else's future.  Astronauts who go into space and return have in fact travelled into our future.  The time that elapsed for them is less than the time that elapsed for those of us back on earth.  The difference, in practical terms, is insignificant.  But it is a fact and it is measureable.  If those astronauts were able to travel through space at speeds approaching that of the speed of light, when they returned to earth, a much greater time would have elapsed on earth, the amount of elapsed time depending upon at what speeds and how long they had travelled.

There is no known way of similarly traveling back in time however.
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« Reply #87 on: September 15, 2009, 03:58:20 PM »

Hope Time Travel works better than Time Share.
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« Reply #88 on: September 15, 2009, 04:16:20 PM »

Hope Time Travel works better than Time Share.

Some that I have talked too seem to imply that the first is necessary to take advantage of the second.
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« Reply #89 on: September 26, 2009, 12:02:48 PM »

time flows in 2 directions:  from past to present and from future to present....

as far as time travel...if it were possible, then there could be people here on the earth that are from the future...
since the future has been here forever and ever also......

It is possible now to travel into someone else's future in the sense of using velocity to speed of their time relative to your own.  Thus if you took a trip in a space ship at speeds approaching that of light when you returned you would find that time had advanced faster relative to your own.  Those you left behind and returned to would have aged more than you had.  In that sense it is "possible" to travel into someone else's future.

However it is not possible to travel into someone else's past.  The mathematics are there.  If you pass through and exceed the speed of light, then time begins to go reverse.  But it is not possible now to travel at the speed of light let alone faster than the speed of light.

I believe you're right.  I agree

To propel matter at anything approaching light-speed requires infinite power. If I'm not mistaken, light itself is the only thing capable of light-speed (c)  But what if were actually possible to convert matter to energy and then back again? Or to travel by way of tesseract?  And what if light-speed is not actually the highest speed there is?  Pondering   

I know what travels faster than light ... prayer! Tipping hat  Praying hard   Praying

Sounds like you have read more Madeleine L'Engle than Robert Heinlein.
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