Author Topic: did dinosaurs really exist? (Read 15778 times)

mrivera118 · « **on:** March 27, 2011, 08:46:16 PM »

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fcadcock · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2011, 02:05:34 AM »

This is spam, but I'll bite. Yes, they existed and the bones sitting on my desk can prove it...

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2011, 02:05:34 AM »

daq · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:35:24 AM »

Genesis 1:1
1. In the beginning 'Elohiym created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:27-31
27. So 'Elohiym created man in his own image, in the image of 'Elohiym created he him; male and female created he them.
28. And 'Elohiym blessed them, and 'Elohiym said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29. And 'Elohiym said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31. And 'Elohiym saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

In the beginning all of the beasts of the earth, every fowl of the air, and every living thing that creeped upon the earth, wherein there was life; these ate the green herb for meat. Then mankind fell when the man Adam and his wife Eve disobeyed the commandment of YHWH 'Elohiym. Then later those fallen beings, 200 Watchers, fell from heaven and came down to earth; and they went in unto the daughters of men; taking wives of whomsoever they desired. These gave birth to monsters, the Giants, and those Giants had to EAT. So they corrupted every species and genetically altered them, perverting what YHWH 'Elohiym had created and made, destroying the perfect order of the creation so that they might feed their bastard monstrous offspring. Some of those mighty ones, monsters, and Giants, were said to be three hundred cubits or "ells" in stature; and to feed such massive Titans would necessitate a very large quantity and higher quality of a food source, (meat and flesh) so they apparently turned to the animals and creeping things. Ever notice that reptiles are a rare breed as a species in that they are one of the few species that NEVER stop growing throughout their entire lifespan? According to the Scripture they also did not eat meat in the beginning but rather the green herbs and plants. Suppose for a moment the possibility of an evil fallen race of angelic-spirit beings coming down to earth and altering the genetic code of the living creation of YHWH 'Elohiym until they finally discovered that reptiles never stop growing? or that perhaps even their own alterations caused this anomaly? They apparently altered reptiles for their own purposes: to feed their own Titan-Giant offspring which 1-Enoch states that they had hoped would live five hundred years or more. Apparently one of the adverse side affects of the genetic manipulation was that some of the reptiles like T-Rex also began eating flesh instead of herbs. The Scripture states that ALL FLESH was corrupted.

Genesis 6:1-12
1. And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2. That the sons of ha-'Elohiym saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3. And said YHWH, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4. Ha-Npiliym were in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of ha-'Elohiym came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty ones which were of `owlam, [eternity] the men of the-[those] named.
5. And YHWH saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6. And it repented YHWH that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7. And said YHWH, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8. But Noah found grace in the eyes of YHWH.
9. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with ha-'Elohiym.
10. And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11. The earth also was corrupt before ha-'Elohiym, and the earth was filled with violence.
12. And 'Elohiym looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Enoch VII
1. It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.
2. And when the Watchers, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.
3. Then their leader Semyâzâ said to them; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise;
4. And that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime.
5. But they answered him and said; We all swear;
6. And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that we will not change our intention, but execute our projected undertaking.
7. Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations. Their whole number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, which is the top of mount Armon.
8. That mountain therefore was called Armon, (Hermon) because they had sworn upon it, and bound themselves by mutual execrations.
9. These are the names of their chiefs: Semyâzâ who was their leader, Urâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tâmîêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These were the prefects (chiefs of tens) of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them.
10. Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants,
12. Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
13. When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
14. And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
15. Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.

Enoch VIII
1. Moreover `Azâzêl taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and of all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
2. Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
3. Semyâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings,
4. Armârôs the resolving of enchantments,
5. Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology,
6. Kôkabîêl the constellations,
7. Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds,
8. Tâmîêl the signs of the earth,
9. Samsâpêêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon.
10. And men, being destroyed, cried out; and their voice reached to heaven.
Enoch and the Book of Giants

Imagine this cute little guy living 1000 years in a pre-diluvian paradise:
And suddenly his genetic code tells him he wants to eat MEAT!!
And for that 1000-year lifespan he never stops growing …
And what about a 1000-year old reptile Bat?
I think we call em Pterodactyls ...

Boskelev · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:06:39 PM »

Is this a serious question? Check out Ken Ham, Dr Dino & Answers in Genesis- all online. I've seen evidence that not only did they exist, they're not extinct!

However, with all do respect, in answer to the 1000 year old reptiles, Dinosaurs are not reptiles. They are more closely related to birds. Specifically, reptiles have no shoulders or hips. Their appendages grow directly from the spine. It is also thought that dinosaurs were warmblooded, though I can't recall at the moment what the exact reasoning was.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:06:39 PM »

mwds120 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2011, 07:57:05 AM »

If they didn't exist then all those dinosaur bones are a mystery indeed.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2011, 07:57:05 AM »

SolitaryDisciple · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2011, 05:08:16 PM »

Yes, absolutely, the dinosaurs did exist once, and may still exist now. The closest living relative of the Tyrannosaurus is the chicken. Yes, I said the chicken. But dinosaurs weren't cold blooded. Birds are very likely to be related to the dinosaurs.

daq · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2011, 05:38:27 PM »

Perhaps "creep crawly" things such as spiders and centipedes were not the intent of the original Hebrew found in the Genesis account of the creation:

Genesis 1:24 KJV
24. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, (HSN#7431 remes) and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Original Strong's Ref. #7431
Romanized remes
Pronounced reh'-mes
from HSN7430; a reptile or any other rapidly moving animal:
KJV--that creepeth, creeping (moving) thing.

Original Strong's Ref. #7430
Romanized ramas
Pronounced raw-mas'
a primitive root; properly, to glide swiftly, i.e. to crawl or move with short steps; by analogy to swarm:
KJV--creep, move.

Yep … A 1000 year old Bat oughtta be able to glide puuurdy swiftly …

homan34 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2012, 11:13:01 PM »

Quote from: SolitaryDisciple on November 25, 2011, 05:08:16 PM

Yes, absolutely, the dinosaurs did exist once, and may still exist now. The closest living relative of the Tyrannosaurus is the chicken. Yes, I said the chicken. But dinosaurs weren't cold blooded. Birds are very likely to be related to the dinosaurs.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Dinosaurs did exist once but not now.

Victor08 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2012, 12:10:22 AM »

Quote from: Boskelev on September 15, 2011, 10:06:39 PM

Is this a serious question? Check out Ken Ham, Dr Dino & Answers in Genesis- all online. I've seen evidence that not only did they exist, they're not extinct!

However, with all do respect, in answer to the 1000 year old reptiles, Dinosaurs are not reptiles. They are more closely related to birds. Specifically, reptiles have no shoulders or hips. Their appendages grow directly from the spine. It is also thought that dinosaurs were warmblooded, though I can't recall at the moment what the exact reasoning was.

http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/dinosaurcontroversies/i/warmblooded_2.htm
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Where It Stands

So, what can we conclude from the above arguments for and against warm-blooded dinosaurs? Many scientists (who are unaffiliated with either camp) believe that this debate is based on false premises--that is, it’s not the case that dinosaurs needed to be either warm-blooded or cold-blooded, with no third alternative.

The fact is, we don’t know enough yet about how metabolism works, or how it can potentially evolve, to draw any definite conclusions about dinosaurs. It’s possible that dinosaurs were neither warm-blooded nor cold-blooded, but had an “intermediate

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