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« on: May 04, 2009, 08:45:48 PM »

A prominent philosopher, who shall remain nameless for now, posited that the cause of all unhappiness in the world was this:

That people desired things which were incompatible with each other.

What say ye?  Does it pass the Biblical test?
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2009, 10:23:59 PM »

A prominent philosopher, who shall remain nameless for now, posited that the cause of all unhappiness in the world was this:

That people desired things which were incompatible with each other.

What say ye?  Does it pass the Biblical test?

Makes sense to me. I don't know what you mean by a "Biblical test," but it does pass a psychological one.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 08:08:24 PM »

The stuff of this world will never lead to happiness only emptiness.  Without God, one cannot truly be happy.  We would keep wanting more and more stuff to satisfy the emptiness that only God can satisfy.
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009, 11:37:19 PM »

A prominent philosopher, who shall remain nameless for now, posited that the cause of all unhappiness in the world was this:

That people desired things which were incompatible with each other.

What say ye?  Does it pass the Biblical test?

True and lasting happiness only comes from knowing Christ.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 10:11:20 PM »

I think I understand the biblical test ,ie> harnessing a horse and an ox together, or,weaving cotton and wool thread together.  But I don`t fully understand why this would be a source of unhappiness in this day and age. Will you please explain so that I can learn.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2009, 09:39:31 AM »

A prominent philosopher, who shall remain nameless for now, posited that the cause of all unhappiness in the world was this:

That people desired things which were incompatible with each other.

What say ye?  Does it pass the Biblical test?

A bit off topic:

This reminded me of Dr. Janov in The Primal Scream ---something along the lines of ---all wars and such individually or between nations were because of unfulfilled desires.    (I think it was in the context of when we were little ----needs not being met, as I recall...)

Separation from the Truth ----the Truth of God's existence and what and who He is - and our connection with our Creator, bla bla bla -----separation from all that Truth encompasses would be my take - just off the top of my head.

Yes, more exploration on desires and being incompatible would be fun to read  about.

Hmmm..If one desires an ice cream cone - and that person is in an African village ---they could be unhappy. (Possibly) 
If they live next to a store in the USA - that would be a "compatible desire". Is that what is meant?

So we must believe in the ability for the desire to be fulfilled.

Wish for what is within reach? 

If I desire to win the lottery - am I unhappy when I haven't in 6 months - or am I happily in expectation and trust ---hmmm ---we still are in control of our happiness whether our desire is seemingly achievable or not ----if we know it will be given ----at the right time -maybe not "right now".

Thus, if we follow Biblical teachings -believe and receive - all our desires are achievable - with trust and patience.   So, happiness is in the waiting and in the attaining.

My take and have to run. Parodoxes abound.

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2009, 11:24:03 AM »

Thank you Elaine.  I think I understand now.  From the explanation given its really relatively simple.  Just train oneself not to want what one knows one cannot have..  Do not aspire to the unattainable.  Thanks a lot. Tipping hat In other words forget about instant gratification!!
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2009, 02:34:12 PM »

The source of all unhappiness is man's sin and disobedience to God's commandments.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2009, 06:29:52 PM »

The source of all unhappiness is man's sin and disobedience to God's commandments.

I know alot of people that sin and disobey God's commandments ( say, they don't honor their parents or something) - and boy they are really happy people all the time.
 (They are not secretly putting a gun to their head when they are alone either.)

I dare say they may be happier than many here on this forum.

So, I probably disagree with the above statement, sorry.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2009, 01:19:00 AM »

Thank you Elaine.  Wanting what one cannot have is a part of it, but it's more than that.

Say one wants to be popular - well-liked - someone that people like to be around.  That's a normal desire.

But what if that person also desires privacy.  That's also a normal desire.

Now, while these two things won't always conflict, they often will.  And that, at least in this theory, is how unhappiness arises - when we want two different things that we can't have at the same time.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2009, 08:57:52 AM »

Thank you Elaine.  Wanting what one cannot have is a part of it, but it's more than that.

Say one wants to be popular - well-liked - someone that people like to be around.  That's a normal desire.

But what if that person also desires privacy.  That's also a normal desire.

Now, while these two things won't always conflict, they often will.  And that, at least in this theory, is how unhappiness arises - when we want two different things that we can't have at the same time.

You know I believe you can indeed have many things at the same time -solitude and popularity, revenge and peace, wealth and trouble, love and anger --- but, I'm into paradoxes ---agony and ecstasy, pain and contentment.  Happiness being in the body of the ocean - not effected by the superficial waves.   

You know it is actually hard for me to talk about unhappiness --I am consistently a happy person - ask my friends of over 30 years - they know. But they esp. would say - since I've been studying the Bible -though they won't get into it themselves ---they see the change.

One time, I remember now, a wise man said ---"You know what happiness is----confidence."

Since that time many years ago, that sentence has rung true over and over. Confidence in yourself, confidence in what you can manifest, confidence in your experience, confidence that the Lord is guiding your way, you know the list is endless.

Jarrod, would you venture over to Gen Disc -there are some interesting threads there - maybe they should have been posted in Theology or Phil.

Always a pleasure,
:)Elaine
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2009, 08:03:19 AM »

It seems to me true happiness can only come when one decides with the Lord's help to be happy in all situations.  Look at Paul, happy in chains for Jesus.  This shows me it's our decision, not someone elses. I also enjoyed reading about the paradoxes that Elaine wrote.  It shows us how the same situation can effect different responses according to how we choose.
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2009, 08:48:55 AM »

It seems to me true happiness can only come when one decides with the Lord's help to be happy in all situations.  Look at Paul, happy in chains for Jesus.  This shows me it's our decision, not someone elses. I also enjoyed reading about the paradoxes that Elaine wrote.  It shows us how the same situation can effect different responses according to how we choose.

That is IT in a nutshell, Candy.   Yes, Paul in the dungeons in chains probably in sewage, I'm told ---and look at him ----what must he have been experiencing!! To be singing the praises of God!!!

Doesn't it give what he said profound insight???:

Col 3:2   Focus on the things above and not on the things on earth.

Talk about meditating on what is written everyday....
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2009, 07:45:34 AM »

The source of all unhappiness is man's sin and disobedience to God's commandments.

I know alot of people that sin and disobey God's commandments ( say, they don't honor their parents or something) - and boy they are really happy people all the time.
 (They are not secretly putting a gun to their head when they are alone either.)

I dare say they may be happier than many here on this forum.

So, I probably disagree with the above statement, sorry.

Hmm. I think I do agree with the above statement  I agree - but I would add 'the ultimate' in there. Because all unhappiness ultimatly comes because of sin. Other peoples as well as our own. For example if in the above example, the person is running down their parents and disrespecting them, it's quite likely that their kids will do the same to them in the long term. It will also impact their views on authority, loyalty, family, relationship and honour over time.  It will impact their character. Will this make them 'unhappy' in the short term. Probably not. But the more we compromise love, and the principles that stem from it - the more we compromise our ability to give and receive love. That affects our happiness.

So in the short term our character choices affect us everyday - yet someone could still be incredibly selfish, do drugs, sleep around, the whole gamut and have the time of their lives before the consequences of their actions begin to come back on them - and then die in a car accident. On the surface it looks like they got away with it. The babies that got aborted or ended up fatherless, the STD's someone else might have to live with (and perhaps birth defects in a child because of it) the relationship strain in other marriages from past partners. The stuff stolen to pay for his drug habit, the younger brother or cousin he encouraged by example to follow a simlilar lifestyle, etc didn't get away with it.

Yet all his sin has caused unhappiness. Perhaps not in himself, because he was too selfish - but the ripple affects impacted many lives. That's a good overall picture of sin. If there was no sin in the world then there would be no unhappiness. So I think as an absolute, the first statement is true. But it's only through 'the ultimate' picture that we see that.

However then said person faces Gods judgment. And the bible says we reap what we sow. So it all works out overall.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2009, 10:05:56 PM »

Well, yes, ultimately - Jon-marc's sentence is correct.
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