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America and modern Christian persecution
« on: February 12, 2012, 07:06:05 PM »
So, I just wanted to say a few words about America’s recent track record concerning the conditions that our Christian brothers and sisters around the world are in right now.

Let’s start with our involvement into the Kosovo affair. We bombed the Kosovo Christians into submitting their ancestral Christian lands to the mohammed come lately Albanian muslims. Our weaponry has prevailed. By all appearances, the Kosovo is now a muslim land. We, the Americans, have to owe up to it.  Like it or not, this is our doing.
Pouring over the most recent Kosovo news, the best role we, the American Christians, can aspire to in Kosovo, is kidnapping the Kosovo Christians and send them to the operating rooms, where their organs are harvested against their will and sold on the European/Chinese markets, of which there is plenty of evidence.

Let’s move forward a few years to our misguided and much lied about Irag occupation.
Until recently, under Saddam Hussein, the religious minorities, including the Iraqi Christians, were fairly well protected from the religious terrorism done by the muslims, because of the secular nature of the Iraqi government. As if on (the anti-Christian) cue, the US military forces went in and destroyed that VERY delicate military/political balance in the land, resulting in the MANY thousands of Christians murdered and many more fleeing the country due to the violence that followed. Indeed, the violence was VERY easy to predict and was a no-brainer. We, the US Christians, continued to support our war machine throughout and cheer them on.

Not very different scenarios have happened in Egypt in Libya.
While we didn’t have the boots on the ground in those lands, like we did in Iraq, we certainly have been the deciding factor in the demise of the local Christian populations and evangelism there as result of our actions. Now the Muslims rule the day in those lands and are free to kill Christians with impunity, and we are largely responsible for that fact.

Now, if the same anti-Christian forces continue to dominate the US government, our Syrian Christian brothers and sisters will follow the same path as those we betrayed a short while earlier.

So, as we seat our wide behinds in our Sunday pews this morning, I want us to meditate on the fact that many many many Christians around the world have been murdered by/ with the help of our anti-Christian government and the US Christains apathy/involvement.

What is America’s standing the eyes of the Lord right now? Can we still chant ‘God Bless America’ and hope that He will still listen? Or do we have Christian blood on our hands and no immediate fellowship with God, until we repent of our evil deeds?
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 07:44:18 PM »
Hey jprg, welcome to Grace Centered.

Please visit our "Introductions" Forum and give a shout-out to all.............!  ::tippinghat::


In the meantime, I figure one of our Mods will pass by this thread and move it to the Christian Politics Forum, simply because it seems to me that it would be better suited there.  So don't be suprised if you find it has been moved.
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Now, as for the comments in your post, without doing some 'serious" research to assure that you have all your facts correctly stated, it would be hard to address the many issues you raised.

One point I would ask you to consider is that God's love and concern is for His people, not a Nation.  (paraphrased) He said "If you will repent and turn from your evil ways (speaking to His people), I will heal your Nation.

See, God's eyes are on us, His people.  He is concerned with our obedience to Him...............

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 08:05:24 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for the welcome.

I with this post could be moved into a 'Persecution' forum, rather than politics. Politics don't interest me very much.

It's because too many American Christians are defined by land/politics identity, rather than faith identity, that we have these problems in the first place. And Christians keep dying...

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2012, 06:37:32 PM »
Reports are coming in of the new criminal Lybian government we installed that tortures its own citizens. Job well done?
Meanwhile, the Syrian jihadists use local populations as a human shield for their rat warfare, and we applaud and arm them. Job well done?

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2012, 05:38:11 AM »
 ::pondering::, odd that none of this was reported on the National news...........do you have documented evidence of these events you speak of?

I checked in our News Forum (the guy who keeps it updated is really good at doing so), and I can't find any related news events posted there..............


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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 07:22:08 AM »
I believe every Arab nation that is throwing out a dictator will be replaced by a theocracy and a religious dictator.   
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 11:22:35 PM »
@p.rehbein
Your "national news" are custom written and compiled to make you feel good about your genocidal policies around the globe. I wouldn't give much credence to that.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/03/us-libya-torture-idUSTRE8120N920120203
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9042501/MSF-withdraws-staff-over-Libya-torture-cases.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/world/africa/groups-denounce-widespread-use-of-torture-in-libya.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16771372

There is plenty more. Just pull your head out of the sand and read some actual news. You may actually start making sense.

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2012, 08:35:22 AM »
I believe every Arab nation that is throwing out a dictator will be replaced by a theocracy and a religious dictator.   

Yes, and some secular Muslim countries like Turkey are beginning to morph into theocracies and ultimately religious dictatorships. Egypt is well on its way.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 04:26:32 PM »
Ugh.

It always dismays me when I hear people who already live in the freest country in the history of the planet, complain that they're not free enough.

Give me a break.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2012, 04:37:46 PM »
The "freest country" is your imagination.
This country is increasingly oppressive, and not the freest by any means.
Give me a break.

Those who want to lobby for the Serb Christian organ capture would find this country one of the freest.
Unfortunately for you, God is watching.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2012, 12:03:04 AM »
jprg, can you name a country that offers greater religious freedom than USA? ???
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2012, 08:12:51 AM »
Germany, Brazil, Canada, Portugal. The list goes on.
But this is really off topic.
The topic of this post is how do we influence the lives of Christians around the world who are in more vulnerable positions than we are. And we have caused lots of Christians lots of grief and even had them killed.

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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2012, 09:50:26 PM »
jprg, I'm intrigued.  Tell me more, about how those countries offer more freedom to believers.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2012, 11:57:42 PM »
Wow...  I don't even know where to begin with this one.  I mean, saying that we took the wrong side in Kosovo simply because one side claimed to be of the same faith as us?  Really?  So all the ethnic cleansing (genocide), rape, and torture that went on at the hands of the "christians" is ok?  We may have sided against Christians, but we most absolutely took the right side.  We chose the side of peace.

Iraq is a different story. Mistakes were made. But removing Saddam from power before he could use the weapons he was actively claiming to have wasn't one of them.  Yeah, Christians died. Yeah, they fled. But the only thing that was different than before was that they were free to leave.  Under Saddam's rule they were a highly repressed minority who were subject to torture, rape, and death simply for practicing their religion in the open.  At least now they have the chance for peace.  Same with the Kurds in the north and the other religious minorities Saddam used for target practice every few years.  Iraq may not be as safe now, but the world in general is much safer without him in command of an army. 

Egypt and Libya? How are either of those things our fault?  We didn't start, nor did we participate in Egypt's overthrow. And yeah, it has turned into a problem with the Muslim Brotherhood taking majorities in many of the elections, but that's a problem that the people of Egypt freely chose of their own accord.  As far as Libya goes, you should probably be banned for trolling if you're suggesting that Kadaffi shouldn't have been overthrown.  The man was having his army blindly fire artillery into occupied towns.  He was open about sponsoring terrorism. He needed to go.  And yet again, we're allowing the citizens who fought to overthrow him decide the future of their country.  It is not our place to decide for them just as it is not their place to choose who our leaders are or what laws we live by.

"Syrian jihadists use local populations as a human shield for their rat warfare, and we applaud and arm them" 

Ahh, now I get it...  This was all a huge joke.  You didn't actually mean it.  I mean, how could you seriously call civilians who rick their lives to overthrow an oppressive government who again is shelling populated cities with indiscriminate artillery fire, simply for holding peaceful protests, rats and jihadists?  Do you even know what those words mean?  These people have been under the rule of one of the most corrupt governments in the world.  This is the government responsible for the Yom Kippur war, the murder of thousands of Christians in Lebanon, the VAST majority of fighters in Iraq during the Iraqi insurgency were trained, armed, and funded by these thugs, and they regularly send rockets and bombers into Israel.  We shouldn't be supporting the people who want to risk their lives to overthrow this dictatorship?

Seriously, stop listening to Rachel Maddow and MSNBC.  Read an actual history book about these areas.  They aren't these magical places that are easy to sum up in a single sound bite.  The middle east is about 50 different factions all competing for the same lands their fathers all ruled a hundred and fifty years ago, and other than Israel and maybe, MAYBE, the Kurds, they're all run by evil thugs.  Even the ones we side with.  They're just less evil than the ones we oppose.
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