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Christianity Today
« on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 09:16:51 »
Christianity Today, the Evangelical magazine founded by the late Rev. Billy Graham, on Thursday called for President Donald Trump's impeachment in a rare political statement, calling his phone call to the Ukrainian president "profoundly immoral."

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/billy-graham-evangelical-christianity-today-articles-of-impeachment/2019/12/19/id/946702/?ns_mail_uid=757368bd-09df-443c-a7aa-51552a6f0a81&ns_mail_job=DM76103_12202019&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010104v636vi

Wonder where Franklin now stands on this?

More importantly ... did they even understand what had happened that had him ask a simple question?


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« on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 09:16:51 »

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« Reply #1 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 09:20:46 »
"Christianity Today released an editorial stating that President Trump should be removed from office—and they invoked my father's name (I suppose to try to bring legitimacy to their statements), so I feel it is important for me to respond. Yes, my father Billy Graham founded Christianity Today; but no, he would not agree with their opinion piece. In fact, he would be very disappointed. I have not previously shared who my father voted for in the past election, but because of this article, I feel it is necessary to share it now. My father knew Donald Trump, he believed in Donald Trump, and he voted for Donald Trump. He believed that Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation." - Franklin Graham

Read the story here:

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2019/december/my-father-would-have-been-disappointed-rsquo-franklin-graham-fires-back-at-christianity-todays-lsquo-elitist-liberal-rsquo-call-for-president-trumps-removal


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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #2 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 09:25:01 »

Wonder where Franklin now stands on this?


This is a portion of Franklin's response to the CT article. You can read the entire response on Franklin's facebook page-

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Christianity Today released an editorial stating that President Trump should be removed from office—and they invoked my father’s name (I suppose to try to bring legitimacy to their statements), so I feel it is important for me to respond. Yes, my father Billy Graham founded Christianity Today; but no, he would not agree with their opinion piece. In fact, he would be very disappointed. I have not previously shared who my father voted for in the past election, but because of this article, I feel it is necessary to share it now. My father knew Donald Trump, he believed in Donald Trump, and he voted for Donald Trump. He believed that Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #3 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 09:37:09 »
And I’m sure Billy Graham knew what a scoundrel Hillary was as any thinking human should.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #4 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 09:39:43 »
And I’m sure Billy Graham knew what a scoundrel Hillary was as any thinking human should.

And yet the followers of Molech want to lecture us on morality.

The Donald is a narcissist.  He is mean, he is brash, and in many ways immoral.

But I am still picking Samson against the Philistines.  I am still picking David over Goliath.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #5 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 10:34:32 »
"Christianity Today released an editorial stating that President Trump should be removed from office—and they invoked my father's name (I suppose to try to bring legitimacy to their statements), so I feel it is important for me to respond. Yes, my father Billy Graham founded Christianity Today; but no, he would not agree with their opinion piece. In fact, he would be very disappointed. I have not previously shared who my father voted for in the past election, but because of this article, I feel it is necessary to share it now. My father knew Donald Trump, he believed in Donald Trump, and he voted for Donald Trump. He believed that Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation." - Franklin Graham

Read the story here:

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2019/december/my-father-would-have-been-disappointed-rsquo-franklin-graham-fires-back-at-christianity-todays-lsquo-elitist-liberal-rsquo-call-for-president-trumps-removal

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #6 on: Sat Dec 21, 2019 - 04:14:20 »
Another response.  I found the part where CT honcho Galli explicitly considers himself an "elite" evangelical revealing.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #7 on: Sat Dec 21, 2019 - 07:16:39 »
Another response.  I found the part where CT honcho Galli explicitly considers himself an "elite" evangelical revealing.

Elite evangelical.  Hmmmm.  Judgmental is more to the point.

What I find disturbing about this is the newsoutlets who will hone in on what this magazine says,and will not counterbalance with what the Franklin Grahams said in reply.

There will be those evangelicals... how many is anyone's guess... that will simply now vote against POTUS in Nov simply because they would assume "another"evangelical.... more intelligent... has an inward track on what is good for the country.  THAT may be the most damaging to the election.

After all... and yes I will include myself in this....we sheep always let those we assume know more... advise us from their mini pulpits...not matter what form they are.

If it would not be so damning to the country and us I could hope that if POTUS does not make it that the sodomite does....

Or that the Epstein supporting woman would miraculously rebound in here.

I know it is out of our hands. It is what God wills for His purposes. But makes me want to  ::puking::





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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #8 on: Sat Dec 21, 2019 - 07:52:17 »
Galli was a pastor in the Presbyterian Church for ten years, and for a long time an Anglican.

I would not classify that resume as "Evangelical."

I would assume rather that liberal teachings from the world on LGBTQ issues among others have replaced biblical teaching in his circles.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #9 on: Sat Dec 21, 2019 - 08:02:27 »
Another response.  I found the part where CT honcho Galli explicitly considers himself an "elite" evangelical revealing.

You're not kidding.

“ … most evangelical Christians like me exclaimed, ‘who are these people? I know hardly anyone, let alone any evangelical Christian who voted for Trump. I describe evangelicals like me as ‘elite’ evangelicals … and this class of evangelicals has discovered that we have family members so different they seem like aliens in our midst. These other evangelicals often haven’t finished college, and if they have jobs (and apparently a lot of them don’t), they are blue-collar jobs or entry level work. They don’t write books or give speeches; they don’t attend conferences of evangelicals for social justice or evangelicals for immigration reform. They are deeply suspicious of mainstream media. A lot of them voted for Donald Trump.”

He's proud to be one of the "elite" who doesn't associate with low-life, uneducated, unemployed, stinky Walmart shoppers who cling to their guns, Bibles, and religion. That's ok. He can stroke his own ego by hob-nobbing with the elite, high culture crowd. I'll stay with the counter-culture of Christianity, thank you.



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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #10 on: Sat Dec 21, 2019 - 08:24:50 »
I would venture to say EVERY EVANGELICAL respects Billy Graham way more more than the magazine he founded and quit reading because they leaned too far left, per Franklin Graham’s own story about his father’s feelings about the magazine. Very easy to counter this.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Dec 23, 2019 - 20:11:17 »
This has become a surprisingly big deal.  Various lefties and infidels smell Evangelical blood in the water and are jumping on the issue of "hypocrisy."

Tucker Carlson led with the story (not necessarily the CT editorial, but the larger controversy) tonight.  One of my favorites, Ben Witherington, really disappointed me by affirming the editorial at his Patheos blog.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #12 on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 15:51:33 »
I would venture to say EVERY EVANGELICAL respects Billy Graham way more more than the magazine he founded and quit reading because they leaned too far left, per Franklin Graham’s own story about his father’s feelings about the magazine. Very easy to counter this.

You would think so.

But when Billy died...do you remember the bad talk about him from some members here?

I do... so those would have little to no respect for him or his beliefs

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #13 on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 16:45:05 »
Those that don’t like Billy Graham would not be considered Evangelical in my opinion. Not every Christian falls into that category, whatever that is.

From what I understand Billy Graham was the epitome of an evangelical  Christian.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #14 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 06:14:21 »
From my past readings, I remember that several mainstream denominations like Presbyterian and Church of Christ are not considered “evangelical”. Apparently evangelical has a much different connotation that I thought. That is why I limited my comment to “Evangelical Christians” and not just Christians in general.

If you’re game to have your mind blown, google the term evangelical and see who and what groups of Christians that includes and excludes. I had in my mind previously that evangelicals were those that wanted to evangelize the world for Christ, as in the Great Commission. Now, I haven’t got the foggiest idea what it means, though it seems all Evangelicals are Christians but not all Christians are evangelicals. Such a rudimentary term for such a confusing and cloudy definition.
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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #15 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 07:25:47 »
From my past readings, I remember that several mainstream denominations like Presbyterian and Church of Christ are not considered “evangelical”. Apparently evangelical has a much different connotation that I thought. That is why I limited my comment to “Evangelical Christians” and not just Christians in general.

If you’re game to have your mind blown, google the term evangelical and see who and what groups of Christians that includes and excludes. I had in my mind previously that evangelicals were those that wanted to evangelize the world for Christ, as in the Great Commission. Now, I haven’t got the foggiest idea what it means, though it seems all Evangelicals are Christians but not all Christians are evangelicals. Such a rudimentary term for such a confusing and cloudy definition.

So googling the term evangelical, I find out the defined term is so loosely applied, that it can mean just about anything you want. In fact, several sources claim there's much disagreement on who is and isn't a an evangelical that it's impossible to nail down a universally accepted definition. Many people use it as a synonym for protestant, and they wouldn't be right or wrong about it. So when people snicker about President Trump not being clear on who is and who isn't an evangelical, it shows their own ignorance because even those within the Christian community aren't on the same page about it.


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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #16 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 07:51:18 »
Good point!

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 08:56:53 »
As an Evangelical, I know you guys are having a hard time because you are not part of the club.   ::eatingpopcorn:

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« Reply #18 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 09:06:47 »
From my past readings, I remember that several mainstream denominations like Presbyterian and Church of Christ are not considered “evangelical”. Apparently evangelical has a much different connotation that I thought. That is why I limited my comment to “Evangelical Christians” and not just Christians in general.

If you’re game to have your mind blown, google the term evangelical and see who and what groups of Christians that includes and excludes. I had in my mind previously that evangelicals were those that wanted to evangelize the world for Christ, as in the Great Commission. Now, I haven’t got the foggiest idea what it means, though it seems all Evangelicals are Christians but not all Christians are evangelicals. Such a rudimentary term for such a confusing and cloudy definition.

This is from wikipedia:

Evangelicalism is a worldwide, trans-denominational movement within Protestant Christianity which maintains the belief that the essence of the Gospel consists of the doctrine of salvation by grace, solely through faith in Jesus's atonement. Evangelicals believe in the centrality of the conversion or "born again" experience in receiving salvation, in the authority of the Bible as God's revelation to humanity, and in spreading the Christian message. The movement has long had a presence in the Anglosphere before spreading further afield in the 19th, 20th and early 21st centuries.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #19 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 09:38:11 »
As an Evangelical, I know you guys are having a hard time because you are not part of the club.   ::eatingpopcorn:

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Until you know the secret handshake and code words to get into the "elite" level of the evangelical club, I wouldn't do a lot of gloating.


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« Reply #20 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 09:43:55 »

Until you know the secret handshake and code words to get into the "elite" level of the evangelical club, I wouldn't do a lot of gloating.



The "elites" aren't even evangelicals.  Galli was a Presbyterian and then Anglican.  Nothing bonafides in that background at all. 

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 09:46:22 »
Simple definition for Evangelicals:  Beliefs:  Sola Gratia, Sola Fide.  Political & Otherwise - Conservative.  Trends towards conservative Baptist groups, non-denoms, Evangelical Free, Pentecostal conservative churches like CoGIC, AoG, etc.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 15:46:55 »
From my past readings, I remember that several mainstream denominations like Presbyterian and Church of Christ are not considered “evangelical”.


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All Scripture is self-attesting and being Truth, requires our unreserved submission in all areas of life. The infallible Word of God, the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments, is a complete and unified witness to God's redemptive acts culminating in the incarnation of the Living Word, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible, uniquely and fully inspired by the Holy Spirit, is the supreme and final authority on all matters on which it speaks. On this sure foundation we affirm these additional Essentials of our faith:

1.We believe in one God, the sovereign Creator and Sustainer of all things, infinitely perfect and eternally existing in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. To Him be all honor, glory and praise forever!

2.Jesus Christ, the living Word, became flesh through His miraculous conception by the Holy Spirit and His virgin birth. He who is true God became true man united in one Person forever. He died on the cross a sacrifice for our sins according to the Scriptures. On the third day He arose bodily from the dead, ascended into heaven, where, at the right hand of the Majesty on High, He now is our High Priest and Mediator.

3.The Holy Spirit has come to glorify Christ and to apply the saving work of Christ to our hearts. He convicts us of sin and draws us to the Savior. Indwelling our hearts, He gives new life to us, empowers and imparts gifts to us for service. He instructs and guides us into all truth, and seals us for the day of redemption.

4.Being estranged from God and condemned by our sinfulness, our salvation is wholly dependent upon the work of God's free grace. God credits His righteousness to those who put their faith in Christ alone for their salvation, thereby justifies them in His sight. Only such as are born of the Holy Spirit and receive Jesus Christ become children of God and heirs of eternal life.

5.The true Church is composed of all persons who through saving faith in Jesus Christ and the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit are united together in the Body of Christ. The Church finds her visible, yet imperfect, expression in local congregations where the Word of God is preached in its purity and the sacraments are administered in their integrity; where Scriptural discipline is practiced, and where loving fellowship is maintained. For her perfecting, she awaits the return of her Lord.

6.Jesus Christ will come again to the Earth--personally, visibly, and bodily--to judge the living and the dead, and to consummate history and the eternal plan of God.

"Even so, come, Lord Jesus!" (Rev. 22:20)

7.The Lord Jesus Christ commands all believers to proclaim the Gospel throughout the world and to make disciples of all nations. Obedience to the Great Commission requires total commitment to "Him who loved us and gave Himself for us." He calls us to a life of self-denying love and service. "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." (Eph. 2:10)

Both the Westminster Confession of Faith and "Essentials of Our Faith" are important documents in the Evangelical Presbyterian Church. The Westminster Confession of Faith and "Essentials of Our Faith" are not alternative statements of truth, nor are they competitive statements of truth. They each serve important and harmonious purposes within the Evangelical Presbyterian Church. The Westminster Confession of Faith preserves our commitment to the historic orthodoxy of the Reformed Faith. "Essentials of Our Faith" preserves our commitment to historic Evangelicalism.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #23 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 15:48:49 »
As an Evangelical, I know you guys are having a hard time because you are not part of the club.   ::eatingpopcorn:

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #24 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 16:25:51 »
Rella, I consider myself evangelical, though most people consider my church to be nonevangelical. An evangelical is somewhat like a Sasquatch. They exist only based on someone’s definition, which might be different than someone elses definition. It’s like a secret club. No one knows who is in the club and who is out, so being in is a good thing and being out is a bad thing.....somehow?
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« Reply #25 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 17:00:30 »
This is from wikipedia:

Evangelicalism is a worldwide, trans-denominational movement within Protestant Christianity which maintains the belief that the essence of the Gospel consists of the doctrine of salvation by grace, solely through faith in Jesus's atonement. Evangelicals believe in the centrality of the conversion or "born again" experience in receiving salvation, in the authority of the Bible as God's revelation to humanity, and in spreading the Christian message. The movement has long had a presence in the Anglosphere before spreading further afield in the 19th, 20th and early 21st centuries.

That article can be found here.

That opening paragraph is good, and is basically the way I've always thought of the term.  But the rest of the article shows how complicated the issue is.

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Re: Christianity Today
« Reply #26 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 17:17:21 »
I would say another term would probably work better. If a person is in favor of evangelizing the world for Christ is an evangelical, that makes sense. The rest is more or less caca. Similar to the totally redundant phrase “born again Christian.”
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« Reply #27 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 17:30:33 »
It’s like a secret club. No one knows who is in the club and who is out, so being in is a good thing and being out is a bad thing.....somehow?

You mean like the Masonic Lodge? rofl

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« Reply #28 on: Thu Dec 26, 2019 - 17:56:15 »
Yeah something like that!

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« Reply #29 on: Fri Dec 27, 2019 - 03:43:40 »
This is from wikipedia:

Evangelicalism is a worldwide, trans-denominational movement within Protestant Christianity which maintains the belief that the essence of the Gospel consists of the doctrine of salvation by grace, solely through faith in Jesus's atonement. Evangelicals believe in the centrality of the conversion or "born again" experience in receiving salvation, in the authority of the Bible as God's revelation to humanity, and in spreading the Christian message. The movement has long had a presence in the Anglosphere before spreading further afield in the 19th, 20th and early 21st centuries.


This is the core of Evangelicalism as understood by most~and there are many who would fall under this wide umbrella of Evangelicalism within BOTH Protestant churches and EOC/RCC. Personally, I just prefer to be called a Christian/believer. One can be a true believer and be Evangelical in his beliefs, and still be in much error concerning biblical truth. Knowledge is NOT essential in being a child of God, (though could be and should be considered as an evidence of one)  but a person needs to be somewhat evangelical in his understanding of Jesus Christ's to be considered by others to be an evangelical~I would be considered by those who have a surface knowledge of the truth as a hyper evangelical!   Guilty as charged.  ::smile::
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