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And Nancy just said this
« on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 07:23:39 »
Nancy Pelosi won't commit to sending articles of impeachment to Senate

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/nancy-pelosi-sending-impeachment-articles-senate/index.html

Some progressives have urged Democratic leaders to withhold the articles until Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, agrees to the parameters for the Senate trial that Democrats have called for, as well as agreeing to bring in firsthand witnesses like acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to testify.


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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #1 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 09:18:28 »
I would let them know I would be calling hostile witnesses like Adam Schiff.  Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, etc.

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #2 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 10:33:01 »
I would say McConnell better buck up and get his big girl panties on for a fight or start sending his resume out. I don’t have much confidence in him to fight the fight necessary.

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #3 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 11:47:50 »
I would say McConnell better buck up and get his big girl panties on for a fight or start sending his resume out. I don’t have much confidence in him to fight the fight necessary.

Sounds like He is prepared to squash it and not really even let it go to trial.

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #4 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 11:51:13 »
I just heard some of his speech. I am in shock over the Turtle.

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #5 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 13:01:50 »
I just heard some of his speech. I am in shock over the Turtle.

I did not hear any of it. I am sick of Nancy's face all over the tube today so turned it off.

Question.

Do we actually believe that there are enough votes to stop  removal?

If so....then why not just jump to a vote and to heck with a trial that no lefty will believe what is said anyway

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« Reply #6 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 13:21:01 »
I did not hear any of it. I am sick of Nancy's face all over the tube today so turned it off.

Question.

Do we actually believe that there are enough votes to stop  removal?

If so....then why not just jump to a vote and to heck with a trial that no lefty will believe what is said anyway

He's talking about McConnell.  I listened to it on Youtube.

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #7 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 13:29:17 »
He's talking about McConnell.  I listened to it on Youtube.

Yes, I understood McConnell. Did not get that on YouTube either ... I generally have no speaker volumn when on these  ::destroyingcomputer::  things.

And if I see her face anymore today I will not be responsible for what I say . ::frustrated::

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #8 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 13:34:19 »
I heard it on Rush as I went to lunch. Also sounds like Nancy will wait to send it to the Senate until they have something that will stick. She WILL  NOT ABIDE an acquital. They want it both ways. She will not stop until she finds a crime that will stick. The work of the people be damned. Not sure if that is the intent of the impeachment clause, but hey they aren’t concerned about the constitution or fairness.

The GOP better get their butts in gear and get Scotus on this to rein in the Schiff Show.
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« Reply #9 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 16:07:55 »
I heard it on Rush as I went to lunch. Also sounds like Nancy will wait to send it to the Senate until they have something that will stick. She WILL  NOT ABIDE an acquital. They want it both ways. She will not stop until she finds a crime that will stick. The work of the people be damned. Not sure if that is the intent of the impeachment clause, but hey they aren’t concerned about the constitution or fairness.

The GOP better get their butts in gear and get Scotus on this to rein in the Schiff Show.

Not that the dems will do anything legally for this impeachment, but they voted on their articles. Surly they cannot think they can add to them before sending over to the senate.

We have 45 members of the Senate are Democrats, two are Democrat-leaning independents, and 53 are Republican.
And they need 67 to remove him... ( 2/3)

If 47 vote guilty, they still need 20 to remove him.

Even adding Murkowski, aaaargh........ brain fog ... Romney and that other GOP who leans democrat woman that is only 50.

How can Pelosi even hope for a miracle of removal?

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #10 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 16:22:49 »
Not that the dems will do anything legally for this impeachment, but they voted on their articles. Surly they cannot think they can add to them before sending over to the senate.

We have 45 members of the Senate are Democrats, two are Democrat-leaning independents, and 53 are Republican.
And they need 67 to remove him... ( 2/3)

If 47 vote guilty, they still need 20 to remove him.

Even adding Murkowski, aaaargh........ brain fog ... Romney and that other GOP who leans democrat woman that is only 50.

How can Pelosi even hope for a miracle of removal?

It may not even come to a vote.  It may never leave committee.

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #11 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 16:28:54 »
It already left the committee and the articles of impeachment were voted by the whole House. It hasn’t gotten TO the Senate Committee or otherwise. To my understanding a President is not considered impeached until the Articles of Impeachment are DELIVERED TO THE senate.  That hasn’t happened since Pelosi is delaying that for whatever reason.
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« Reply #12 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 17:17:39 »
It already left the committee and the articles of impeachment were voted by the whole House. It hasn’t gotten TO the Senate Committee or otherwise. To my understanding a President is not considered impeached until the Articles of Impeachment are DELIVERED TO THE senate.  That hasn’t happened since Pelosi is delaying that for whatever reason.

I am talking it may not get out of committee in the Senate.  It may be squashed as the garbage it is.

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« Reply #13 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 18:26:56 »
McConnell and Graham have both stated publicly that they would not be impartial in the Senate trial, suggesting that they would hold a quick sham trial with few, if any, witnesses. I don't agree with Pelosi's political idealogy, but I do agree with her strategy. Trump, McConnell, and Graham all want a quick exoneration of the President, but Pelosi is going to let them twist in the wind  awhile.

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« Reply #14 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 18:42:08 »
McConnell and Graham have both stated publicly that they would not be impartial in the Senate trial, suggesting that they would hold a quick sham trial with few, if any, witnesses. I don't agree with Pelosi's political idealogy, but I do agree with her strategy. Trump, McConnell, and Graham all want a quick exoneration of the President, but Pelosi is going to let them twist in the wind  awhile.

Her strategy ultimately failed already.  She should have had the twisting in the wind occur in the House with a year plus of fact finding.

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #15 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 18:51:16 »
Why should she expect a fair trial in the Republican Senate when the GOP was completely scammed of the process in the House?

Both Houses of congress should be fair in this process as it was with Clinton. This time around in the House has been totally unfair.

Pelosi in the past has said impeachment should never be used unless it is a bipartisan decision. This wasn’t by any stretch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pjmedia.com/video/flashback-pelosi-says-impeachment-is-divisive-has-to-be-bipartisan/amp/

McConnell is a very fair Senator and will give her and the Dems what they deserve, which ain’t much in their charges. I believe Obama and his administration did WAY worse and likely impeachable things in spying on the candidate Trump. That is why the Durham report is going to be so important. His investigation is much broader than the IG report, which DID find 17 “irregularities” in the FBI FISA process.
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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #16 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 18:57:36 »
Not to mention what quid pro quo Joe Biden DID in his Ukranian shennanigans. There are recordings of him threatening the Ukranians to withhold a BILLION dollars in aid unless they fired the official investigating his son. Later he said, bragging, “son of a bitch, they got their billion dollars.” This all the while he was Obama’s VP. Infinitely worse than the transcript of Trump’s phone conversation. Not even close. We don’t need whistle blowers on Biden’s transgression, we have it recorded. Where was this precious house oversight on Obama and Biden? The charges on Trump are pure political derangement for getting their. Utt handed to them in the 2016 election by an outsider they didn’t take seriously. The Dems are trying to undo an election with WEAK WEAK charges and especially trying to affect the 2020 election they know they can’t win fairly. They’ve GOTTA put a scarlet letter on Trump somehow, but this ain’t it. They are screwed.
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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #17 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 19:08:45 »
Is Trump actually impeached until the charges are formally delivered to the Senate? If yes, by the constitution, the Senate has the SOLE duty try the charges. Pelosi can’t or shouldn’t have it both ways, but wait for the McCain wing of the GOP in the Senate to show their butts.

Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler were ‘t the least bit concerned with a fair process in the House. They could have! But of course the charges wouldn’t flown. The GOP arguments were ignored and bulldozed. It’s NOT a joint House/Senate process with the Senate trial. I assumed Pelosi had read the constitution before proceeding.

As to partisan rancor, their is no one in congress untainted or impartial. ESPECIALLY the three Amigos, Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler. Like McConnell said, the Senate was MADE for situations like this to put the brakes on obvious partisan rage. As it should with this case as it did with Clinton’s case which involved real crimes.
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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #18 on: Thu Dec 19, 2019 - 19:14:42 »
There is a stickied thread in the political forum about the constitution. Pull it up and see for yourself what is says about impeachment and which house of congress does what.
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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #19 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 06:04:59 »
McConnell and Graham have both stated publicly that they would not be impartial in the Senate trial, suggesting that they would hold a quick sham trial with few, if any, witnesses. I don't agree with Pelosi's political idealogy, but I do agree with her strategy. Trump, McConnell, and Graham all want a quick exoneration of the President, but Pelosi is going to let them twist in the wind  awhile.
I think we can all conclude that lack of impartiality is based upon the lack of evidence in the impeachment fiasco by the House democrats.
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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #20 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 06:26:35 »
McConnell and Graham have both stated publicly that they would not be impartial in the Senate trial, suggesting that they would hold a quick sham trial with few, if any, witnesses. I don't agree with Pelosi's political idealogy, but I do agree with her strategy. Trump, McConnell, and Graham all want a quick exoneration of the President, but Pelosi is going to let them twist in the wind  awhile.

Norton, politicians aren't impartial.


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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #21 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 07:18:02 »
Impartial politicians is an Oxymoron. The plain morons think that only Democrats are impartial, which this process has soundly disproved.

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 08:47:02 »
McConnell and Graham have both stated publicly that they would not be impartial in the Senate trial, suggesting that they would hold a quick sham trial with few, if any, witnesses. I don't agree with Pelosi's political idealogy, but I do agree with her strategy. Trump, McConnell, and Graham all want a quick exoneration of the President, but Pelosi is going to let them twist in the wind  awhile.

You agree with her strategy?   That she is just trying to shove it to the Republicans in a last ditched effort
to screw around with them?

Few if any witnesses.... How many witnesses did the dems provide in their sham hearings that FORCED them to lower their initial charges to what they are?

The Republicans were not permitted a single witness until the day of the so called experts.

Then they were permitted Jonathan Turley, ONLY because he is a dem and voted for Hillary.

There is no charge that would be an actual impeachment charge, but the lying dems dont care cause it is their rules in this game.

So, why should there be a long dragged out trial with witnesses who will be biased on one side or the other.

Nancy on the other hand said she was not going to release the docs until there was "proof".Meaning, until
they find a way to make it stick... their sick ideas of what their charges are.

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 09:20:14 »
More and more law and constitutional scholars (even Democratic lawyers) are starting to claim Trump cannot be considered officially impeached until the articles of impeachment have been delivered to the Senate.  So looks like Nancy is the one backed into the corner now.

https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1208004658616307712

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #24 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 09:31:46 »
Nancy should know that! She can’t have it both ways. For Trump’s sake I hope she keeps trying because it is a winning strategy for Trump. People see through this crap all over the country.

What I hope is that people’s memory is fresh in the congressional races. We got the Pelosi abomination in the midterm brain fart of 2018. Remember elections have consequences. Do we all want Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler, AOC, Talib, and Omar in control of anything?
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« Reply #25 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 09:40:52 »
Nancy should know that! She can’t have it both ways. For Trump’s sake I hope she keeps trying because it is a winning strategy for Trump. People see through this crap all over the country.

What I hope is that people’s memory is fresh in the congressional races. We got the Pelosi abomination in the midterm brain fart of 2018. Remember elections have consequences. Do we all want Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler, AOC, Talib, and Omar in control of anything?

AOC can clean my house.

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« Reply #27 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 19:12:09 »
Her strategy ultimately failed already.  She should have had the twisting in the wind occur in the House with a year plus of fact finding.
True. She should have waited on the Supreme Court to rule whether or not the White House could defy Congress's subpoenas for documents and Executive employee witness testimony. But since the evidence she had did not convince a large majority of voters, as she probably thought it would, a delay is the best option available for her. Meanwhile, whether or not it is fair or completely legal, the President wears a scarlet "I". That may not mean a lot to most people, but I assure you it means a lot to him

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #28 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 19:33:49 »
Every President has exercised executive privelege in withholding documents and other things just as Trump has done as the constitution gives the President whoever he is that right. That has been going on with every President in my lifetime and the same accusations are always made against every sitting President. Which is why the obstruction of Congress charge is lidicrous. He will wear these charges well and will win in 2020. If Pelosi doesn’t deliver the articles to the Senate, many legal experts say he isn’t impeached. Pelosi must have just discovered he has NO chance of being removed just as Clinton wasn’t. As McConnell said, this is just what the Senate was made for, to cool down unreasonable partisan rage. It happened with Clinton and it WILL HAPPEN TO Trump. The difference is it will energize Trump supporters and add to the the existing ones because The people see the foolishness of the charges. Trump is the only man I know that could take the load of unmitigated caca thrown at him. Any other Republican would have long ago caved and rolled up in the fetal position sucking his thumb like W demonstrated in his second term. Trump hates it because of his family, but make no mistake, this energizes him and his supporters and the unfairness of it all draws new supporters and the Dems realize it. They have screwed up BIG time. And I’m grateful! The gift that keeps on giving!

I am hoping against hope that with the Durham investigation we will see some orange jump suited  perp walks soon. Or a late night raid at Peter Strozk and Lisa Page’s illicit liason. Maybe we could find something on bugeyed pencil necked Adam “Fairness” Schiff. That would be delicious!

I would say the Bidens will have a lot of ‘splainin’ to do once some real questions are asked about the real shennanigans in all this, thank you Quid Pro Joe! It’s fixin’ to get exciting!
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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #29 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 20:21:46 »
Norton, how can Pelosi’s delay in sending the charges to the Senate NOT be considered an abuse of power? The Dems ought to impeach HER! She is doing irreparable harm to the Democrat party mainly because she is hostage to the AOC, Talib, Omar wing of the party. ain’t it great. We couldn’t script it better!!
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« Reply #30 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 20:22:31 »
Trump may not be impeached if Pelosi declines to send articles to Senate: Harvard professor  Noah Feldman

https://nypost.com/2019/12/20/trump-may-not-be-impeached-if-pelosi-declines-to-send-articles-to-senate-harvard-professor/

When asked if she could guarantee that articles would be sent some day, Pelosi responded: “That would have been our intention, but we’ll see what happens over there.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/nancy-pelosi-laurence-tribe-impeach-and-withhold.html

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #31 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 20:40:17 »
I’ve got news for her and Norton, Trump will not consider himself impeached if the charges are ‘t sent. AND McConnell will be more than happy to delay the trial to right before the election and give a true October surprise to Pelosi etal........ quit gnawing on the gavel Nancy and hand it over!
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The sulliers have been sullied almost beyond repair with this impeachment scam. And it’s getting worse by the day. Shhhhhh keep delaying Nancy!
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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #32 on: Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 23:48:13 »
Norton, how can Pelosi’s delay in sending the charges to the Senate NOT be considered an abuse of power? The Dems ought to impeach HER! She is doing irreparable harm to the Democrat party mainly because she is hostage to the AOC, Talib, Omar wing of the party. ain’t it great. We couldn’t script it better!!
The same way that not responding to House subpoenas would not be considered an abuse of power. It depends on which faction you favor. In my opinion, withholding subpoenas and witnesses from Congress, and a long delay in delivering the charges to the Senate are both bad faith practices. If Pelosi delays as long as Trump has withheld, she is just as guilty of bad faith practices as he is. Maybe the courts will decide these questions, but by then it will probably be too late for this impeachment. And I pray there will not be another for years to come.

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Re: And Nancy just said this
« Reply #33 on: Sat Dec 21, 2019 - 07:14:49 »
No it depends on the constitution.  Trump’s executive privelege he invoked was invoked by every President at some time or other, especially the ones in my lifetime. That never is obstruction. Now what Nancy is doing is not in the constitution. nor was it practiced by either party in the other impeachment proceedings. The house brings charges to the Senate. The Senate conducts the trial. End of story. The decision to impeach was made. Impeach him or admit the whole thing was a sham, but NO, what she is doing is unprecedented. They know or should know that he will win the 2020 election either way. Throw their scarlet mark on him and move on to the people’s OTHER BUSINESS. Or preferrably they could just let Trump fix everything by himself as he has done for three years. If  Nancy wants to withhold the charges until closer to the election, i encourage her to do just that.

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Re: And Nancy just said this
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18 U.S. Code § 1505.   Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

Whoever, with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance, in whole or in part, with any civil investigative demand duly and properly made under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, willfully withholds, misrepresents, removes from any place, conceals, covers up, destroys, mutilates, alters, or by other means falsifies any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony, which is the subject of such demand; or attempts to do so or solicits another to do so; or

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.


Congress was investigating allegations of crime having been committed by Donald Trump...fact.
Congress issued subpoenas to the white house (and others) seeking more information in which reach a conclusion...fact.
Donald Trump, president of the US, refused to comply, and ordered others to not comply, knowing that doing so is a crime....fact.
Donald Trump committed a crime by violating 18 U.S. Code § 1505....fact.

Regardless of how one feels about the validity of the investigation, how it was brought to light (the whistleblower, etc.), or how the investigation was handled, one thing cannot be denied....Donald Trump committed a crime by refusing to release the information, and allow the testimonies sought by congress, to the investigation.

It shouldn't matter how one feels about the accomplishments of Trump, or about him as a person. What should matter to every American, who believes in the rule of law, is that our president violated that law that we all must abide by (whether we think it justified or not). No one, who believes in the rule of law, should be supporting this president in this matter.